#jangos specifically

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LINK TO "A Step to the Right:"

https://archiveofourown.org/works/40541610/chapters/101570466

[oh-no-its-bird]

Every time someone without warning deletes their fic, an angel loses their wings.

[this-acuteneurosis]

We Will Not Wear Chains

Responsible

Who is to blame? Who steps up?

[youeverjustmarryabountyhunter]

I think my favorite part about Boba's daddy issues is the fact that they aren't your traditional flavor of daddy issues

Like

"Oh my dad never loved me" or abusive, or anything to that degree

Like on all accounts Jango loved him and did his best. Some of his methods are a little unorthodox but such is life when you're a war vet with PTSD that doesn't have a healthy coping mechanism besides having a son. No no no. Boba's daddy issues are that he simply is his father and he will never escape that shadow. (Well there's Din who just flat out doesn't know. But my point is there)

He is his father and he will never be the man his father was and isn't that the kicker. You know how Robert Irwin's life revolves around everybody and their mother feeling as though they need to include his father in the conversation whenever it pertains to him in the slightest?

Jango Fett was the blue print and Boba is simply his copy and I cannot imagine hearing about your dead father every time a fellow bounty hunter opened their mouth the second you stepped into a room. At least until Boba got fed up and pulled a blaster on the poor bastard and promptly shut him up for the moment.

And as fun as it is to imagine Jango in the aftermath shaking his head as his child inevitably falls down the very rabbit hole that got himself killed. But, that sentiment aside, I cannot imagine a moment Jango isn't proud of that boy and Boba simply cannot see that. Boba is in no way perfect and Jango was also the blue print for that, but Jango will be damned to feel ashamed of his kid for making the same mistakes under zero guidance. Jango's fucked up, and likewise his child is as well but that's his boy, his pride and joy.

And I don't think Boba's knows that. Most people didn't know his father. They knew Jango Fett the bounty hunter. They knew Jango Fett the Jedi killer. They knew a man, mostly ruthless, that hunted his prey with an expressionless face that waited until the right moment to strike.

And thats not to say that's all Jango was. But who was going to tell Boba that? That the man's hands were as gentle as they were calloused and that despite his dark unassuming eyes that dared one to speak against him, he was a family man at the end of the day and although all the family he had were long since dead he carried their remembrance with a guilt like no other and he loved his boy.

But a 10 year olds memory is a fickle thing. And when ones face is tilted towards the light it's so easy to be blinded by it.

Jango was never cruel, but his hands have left their stain no matter how many times he's washed them and when the only people left alive to speak your name are the hunters you gnashed teeth with and the child you left orphaned despite the promise that things would be different this time around it's too easy for the truth to fall between the cracks.

Because while Jaster would have beamed down at Boba with pride and Myles and Silas would have lifted that boy high above their heads and recounted tales upon tales of what trouble his father had dragged them along for, and Zam had brushed his fair back behind his ears and read him stories and left him books at his doorstep, Aurra Sing was not as kind.

And while she wretched alcohol away from too small hands she had just as easily belittled and abandoned him in the same breath. And while Hondo has described Jango as an honorable man, what good did that tell a boy who had been thrust into prison just a few hours later.

Because whether they'd told Boba his father was a too gentle bastard or a man that striked fear into the hearts of whoever heard his name, he was an unobtainable goal and Boba was a cheap imitation.

And while he rose against the ranks, and learned to strike fear into all who opposed him then learned to love above all else, there's not a soul alive to tell him that his father would be proud of the man he'd become.

And maybe at long last he can sleep at night, because what good is a dead man's approval anyway? But he will never know that at the end of the day, through the shadow and the haze of blurred vision Jango loved him above all else, everything else be damned.

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[jacensolodjo]

Jango is on the other side of the training area.

One of the Alphas lets out a yelp of surprise when they find their gatling gun has gotten burning to the touch.

Jango: Everything okay?

Alpha ARC trainee: 'Lek, it's fine. Wait- *realizes Jango has appeared behind him* how did you do that? You were way over there...

Jango: When you work with weapons and you hear a vod cry out, you develop the ability to teleport. Scientific fact.

[ossidae-passeridae]

Hi, for the Choose Violence Ask Game: Star Wars Edition

2, 4, 13, 20

if it's not too much!

It isn't too much whatsoever, mostly because three of these four were asked by other people as well! So here's the answers for 4, 13, and 20, and on we go for number 2:

2. What character did you begin to hate not because of canon but because how how the fandom acts about them?

Jango 😭 I liked him SO much when I was interacting less with the fandom, he was such a fun ethical quagmire and the potential for culture clash with other characters was so profound and so delicious to contemplate...

But so many people are So Weird about him. The uwuifying until it becomes implicit infantilisation, and making him irredeemably bad I can... tolerate. I don't like it, but I can tolerate it. I don't go searching it out, so I can largely avoid it.

But the comments I'd get on my fics with him in it? Like, I don't know what it is about him but in no other corner of fandom have I ever had to deal with angry tirades about characters that weren't even in the fic (?!), or commenters telling me ex nihilo how they think Jango should destroy the Jedi.

It'd be easier, in a way, if it was clearly malicious. But so much of it seems weirdly earnest, and that turns me right off. I don't even want to think about him anymore unless I'm talking to people I know and trust, and that, more than anything else, makes me furious.

(All opinions expressed above are solely those of pass e. ridae and do not express the views or opinions of any affiliates or associates, passerine or otherwise)

[kookyburrowing]

everyone talking abt jango go make your own post. this is abt the clones.

do you ever think boba fett was ever told he looked just like his older brother when he was that age. you think he ever cut his hair a certain way and someone mistook him for someone they loved finally coming back before reality set in again. you think he stopped taking his helmet off after someone told him he reminded them of their partner, or their friend, or the person who pulled their child out of the rubble of their house. you think maybe he looked in the mirror one day and saw a dead man and just. never looked again. do you ever think boba fett was told he looked just like his older brother when he was that age.

[cuminhoid]

love when characters can't help but laugh like hell yeah feel the joy you miserable fuck

[short-wooloo]

I don't think the fact that Jango went after Mace specifically comes up enough when discussing his death at Mace's hands

Jango only deliberately entered the battlefield after Mace had lost his lightsaber, before that he otherwise stayed out of the fight (unless someone came close, like Coleman Trebor did, but I think that falls more under guarding his paycheck), and he had no reason to join in, he wasn't getting paid for this, his job was to be the genetic source for a Clone army and kill a senator, both were handled, there was no further obligation for Jango here

Sure you could say that maybe Dooku offered Jango another paycheck if he joined in the fight but there's no indication for that in anything, not the film itself, its novelizations, deleted scenes, or drafts, and there's nothing from non-aotc material to suggest show either

So jango jumped in on his own, why?

Well aside from opportunism in the form of a disarmed Jedi, I believe Jango was being a pissy little petty bitch

Why?

This is why:

When Mace shows up the first thing he does is put his blade to Jango's neck, a warning not to try anything, and I believe Jango felt slighted and or insulted by this, and took it really personally

And instead of just letting it go, collecting his pay, taking his kid and leaving, Jango was consumed by a petty grudge, and he sought to even the score, which cost him dearly

And no, the true mandos and galidraan do not factor into this, because those are not canon to Attack of the Clones, Jango is not a mandalorian sole survivor with a grudge against the Jedi in aotc, Jango in aotc is a bounty hunter with distinctive armor hired to be a genetic donor to a clone army and assassinate a senator

[mrkestis]

If we’re gonna continue with the plot of Bo-Katan becoming the new Mand’alore I have a few humble requests.

1. Adress the fact that she was part of a literal terrorist organisation. She should take active responsibility for this before she continues lecturing people about the infighting between Mandalorian factions. I understand that she has changed, but I don’t like that the creators keep glossing over her past.

2. Satine mention. In any way.

3. Explain where Korkie is. And if he is in fact Bo and Satine’s ”nephew”, where is the third mystery Kryze sibling?

4. Tales of the Mandalorians, specifically following Satine and Bo-Katan’s childhood. I want to see their family and details of why they grew apart and formed such different political opinions. It also wouldn’t hurt to get some content about Satine and Obi-Wan from their year on the run. By the way, where was Bo during that year? Other episodes of this series could be about Tarre Viszla as well as Jango and Boba Fett. I will also accept this content in book form.

5. Bo-Katan marrying the Armorer in order to bring their people together. I want to see a big, royal wedding.

[maidenvault]

It’s just a much more interesting idea to me that there are so many clone troopers in the galaxy they could populate a country and essentially do, that they’re basically their own people who developed their own culture, they don’t need to be Mandalorian in any meaningful way. They’re never portrayed that way in main canon except with the smallest of evidence (Rex’s helmet design or whatever) and it drives me kind of nuts.

Jango Fett sure as shit did not think of the clones as Mandalorian or give a crap about them. You know who gives a crap? Each other. They decided they’re more than an army, they’re the only family they have. It’s a practically universal clone thing that they call each other brothers even though they’re technically not and that’s part of their specific culture.

Going by names they chose for themselves or earned instead of their numbers is part of their culture. So are words like “shiny” and “bucket.” They paint designs on their armor and commonly have identifying tattoos as part of their culture.

In main canon we do see that clones generally think of themselves as Kaminoan humans. Like so many SW species the Kaminoans are simplistically treated in canon as being practically synonymous with the profession they’re known for, cloning, which I think kind of resolves the confusion about how the destruction of Tipoca City and the cloning facilities in TBB is later discussed as a genocidal destruction of the whole species and their home. It really drives home that Kamino isn’t really Kamino without them. They’re the reason those places were built and the vast majority of the people on that world were clones. It’s not a great home to come from but it was a place mostly specific to them where they had each other, the only home they actually knew growing up, unlike the Republic they fought for or Mandalore.

tl;dr who cares about deadbeat dad Jango and whatever “culture” he passed onto the clones.

[blackkatmagic]

I am fully in support of all of those posts that critique fandom's obsession with making the clones completely Mandalorian in every way curse you Traviss, and I think it's valid to take a second look at the impulse, but I also take umbrage with the idea that the clones have nothing to do with Mandalorian culture at all. Literally the most visible clone in the whole of TCW wears jaig eyes, used the same way the Mandalorians use them, and so do multiple other clones. Multiple clones also picked Mando'a names for themselves, or wear traditional Mandalorian hairstyles, and Boil isn't the only clone who wears some sort of Death Watch insignia (which is fascinating in its own right).

There's just - nuance to all of it, I think. The clones aren't wholly Mandalorian, but they aren't not Mandalorian either. Whatever canon you want to take re: Jango and the trainers he picked, the clones clearly picked up bits of the culture from them, whether because of or despite them. Especially considering Mandalorian culture was largely spread through conquest originally, and adoption, the clones have as much of a right to it as anyone, and writing that off or ignoring the fact that at least some of them clearly do consider themselves part of the culture in some way removes a lot of the grey area from them as their own thing, imo.

The clones are a grey area, as a whole. I think that's part of the tragedy of them. They don't have one people who are their own except other clones. They don't have one specific homeworld or culture. They were created literally to die as cannon fodder, and they made themselves into a people despite that. Taking away one of the major pieces they incorporated into their lives (in strict canon, even if you want to ignore everything Traviss ever touched) is weird and overlooks a lot of what's presented about the clones in TCW.

They don't have to be perfectly Mandalorian in every way. That's just as much of an injustice to them. But removing the Mandalorian bits entirely strips away a lot of how they clearly see themselves, too.

[saphronethaleph]

Nu Jedi Order

“So, I’m curious,” Jocasta Nu said, over tea. “About your opinion on the ethics of clones, and of cloning.”

Yoda, Mace and Bant all sighed.

“This is going to be one of those difficult questions, isn’t it?” Bant asked, rubbing her temples. “Masters, can I bow out if this is too philosophically difficult?”

“No,” Yoda informed her, bluntly. “Stay you should. Good for you, it will be.”

“Thanks,” the Mon Cal muttered. “All right, so… I think that cloning isn’t any different to creating a child. The individual who has been created is their own person, both independent and autonomous, and you owe them a duty of care for their childhood and to make sure they are set up in the world. As would be done with a child.”

“That’s a strong start, Master Eerin,” Mace noted, with a nod. “Well done.”

“Thank you,” Bant said. “...though I hope someone else is going to speak up, now. I still feel nervous in these situations.”

“Nerves are the path to not speaking up,” Yoda said, sagely. “Not speaking up leads to ideas forgotten. Ideas forgotten are solutions missed, and contemplation lost. And a conversation, we are here for.”

“Do you think it’s ethical for a clone to be made into a soldier?” Jocasta Nu said.

“That’s… a difficult one for me, I admit,” Mace mused. “Because… we didn’t ask for the army. The army was already there.”

“What worries me about it is that they didn’t really have a choice,” Bant admitted. “They were trained for this since their birth, and… I know they don’t mind, they’ve said it, but I feel like I would have been more comfortable if they’d been given a choice.”

“The cloners of Kamino do consider their clones… output,” Mace said. “Product. It’s worried me about the whole thing.”

“When the war is over, the clones we will champion,” Yoda declared. “Nothing new, this is.”

“It’s not,” Jocasta said. “But I was thinking about it in the specific context of… raising a child from a young age to fulfil a specific role.”

She spread her hands. “That was what happened to all of us, after all.”

“You’re not wrong, Jocasta,” Mace conceded. “I feel like there’s a difference, but I’m not sure I can articulate it.”

“It’s that the Jedi are valued, I think,” Bant suggested. “We… well, it takes a long time to learn the self-discipline that’s essential to using the Force, and we have a position in the galaxy that is well thought of and well respected. The clones… they’re grown up faster so they can be useful more quickly, and they’re treated as a commodity.”

“So would it be different if the clones were better respected?” Jocasta asked.

Yoda frowned, putting down his teacup.

“An important consideration, it is,” he said. “To the rest of the galaxy, look like Kamino does to us, we might.”

“Perhaps,” Mace mused. “Though I think perhaps part of the difference is that we respect the decision of the parents.”

“Don’t the Kaminoans respect the decision of the parents, for the clones?” Bant asked. “If – if creating clones is like parenting, I mean. Jango Fett certainly gave permission.”

She looked troubled. “And is it the decision of the parents or the child that matters more? Did any of us really have the chance to choose to become a Jedi, except Anakin?”

“That gets back to the self-discipline argument,” Mace noted. “I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m saying that… there are other ways to reliably get soldiers, but are there other ways to reliably get Jedi with the proper self-discipline?”

There was a silence for a long moment.

“Someone who wants to leave the Jedi order can do so,” Mace added. “But it’s not common, and having grown up in the Jedi Order… someone might not truly feel they can leave.”

“Should it have been an option given to the clones?” Jocasta asked. “To either fight in the Grand Army of the Republic, or to choose to not do so?”

“Perhaps,” Yoda said, slowly. “Perhaps.”

He sighed. “Protectors of the Republic, the Jedi are. But protect it alone, we cannot.”

“I don’t think we were ever meant to protect it alone,” Bant said. “To protect it against the Sith, yes. To help it stay together, yes. But… surely the population of the Republic should be willing to fight for it? At least some of them?”

She looked down at her hands. “And if none of them are… does that mean it should still exist?”

“If the clones hadn’t been available, then the Separatists could have done terrible damage to the Republic before there were armies able to stop them,” Jocasta pointed out. “They were the ones with the armies ready to go. It’s a paradox.”

The archivist sipped from her tea. “The worst time to build an army is after being invaded, but that army has to be attached to the ideals of the Republic more than it is attached to any one person.”

“Devoted to the Republic, the Clones seem to be,” Yoda said, frowning. “But ask them more often, I should. And raised to be, they were.”

“...which is curious,” Mace noted. “Given who their template worked for.”

“They were ordered for the Republic,” Bant said. “For the Jedi, in fact – that was what the Kaminoans were told from the start. And, as we saw, the Kaminoans keep secrets rather than betray their employers – and they raised the army to be as they should be, based on what they were told.”

“I almost wish that the army had been ordered about years ago,” Jocasta said, thoughtfully. “Raised at a normal speed, rather than twice as fast – and offered the choice. Having grown up in a normal community, in fact.”

“That would make them normal citizens,” Mace noted, though he wasn’t disagreeing. “Treating them as people would be far more ethical, you’re right.”

Jocasta nodded, stirring her teacup.

“And no more questions that deeply philosophical, please,” Bant added. “I’d rather enjoy the tea. I get so few opportunities to relax…”

Around twenty years later, an X-Wing starfighter dropped out of hyperspace in the Adega system.

“...well, I don’t see much of anything,” Luke admitted. “But this is where Master Obi-Wan told me to go…”

R2’s reply appeared on the screen, and Luke laughed.

“Yes, he was there,” Luke replied. “I guess… see if there’s anything out there emitting signals?”

He flicked a switch as he did, then sighed.

“I really hope we don’t have to search this planet and its moon,” he muttered, noticing the forest moon orbiting the primary world. “Planets are huge…”

Then a signal came in, and the comm systems of his fighter crackled.

“Skywalker,” a voice said. “You’re expected.”

“I am?” Luke asked. “You knew I was coming?”

“Yes,” the voice agreed. “The homing beacon is on frequency 13, band 4.”

The transmission stopped, and Luke frowned – mystified – before seeing that R2 had switched one of the sensors to frequency 13, band 4.

A weak, fuzzy signal was showing up on the forest moon, and Luke rolled his little fighter before pointing it down to see what was going on.

When he landed on a clear landing pad, the situation was no clearer. There was a moderately-sized settlement just on the other side of a shallow river from where he’d landed, with irrigated farms and pastures for woolly animals on the hills, but almost half the settlement was built into the trees.

And there was something… weird. He could feel it.

“Well, I guess we should find out what’s going on,” Luke shrugged, getting out of his fighter, and as he did an old human woman came striding out of the trees. There were two young men and a young woman with her – the younger woman was a dark-skinned tholothian, while one of the men was a twi’lek and the other was a human.

“Welcome,” the woman said, with a smile. “Master Obi-Wan Kenobi informed us that you were coming.”

“What was he like?” the young human added, then looked embarrassed. “Sorry, I didn’t mean to…”

“It’s not a problem,” the older woman told him.

Luke was staring, because… the young man was just a little bit familiar.

And he couldn’t define how.

“So,” the woman went on, pleasantly. “Tell me, Skywalker. Have you ever had an idea where you can’t decide if it’s an excellent idea or a terrible one?”

Luke blinked.

“…more than once,” he admitted. “Most recently, there was this attack on an Imperial weapons facility where Han disguised himself as Jabba’s – look, who are you?”

“I am Master Jocasta Nu,” the woman said. “And these are Teras Gallia, Tora’shen… and Joras Kenobi.”

Luke might have fallen over if R2 hadn’t been immediately behind him.

“So, speaking of ideas,” Master Nu said, spreading her hands. “When the Great Purge began, I absconded with as much of the Temple medical records as I could find, and managed to source some cloning cylinders… and we have had no idea what is going on in the rest of the galaxy until now. Would you be able to inform us?”

[tarre-was-right]

ROUND TWO: MATCH-UP TWO

Remember, this is NOT about who would win in a fight. This is about who makes the best leader for Mandalore as a whole.

Explanation post

Seeding

Propaganda below the cut! You can submit more on this post and I will reblog it back to here!

New Propaganda

Anon: My propaganda for Bo-Katan vs Cody specifically: Bo-Katan quite literally spends her whole life trying to restore Mandalore. She works hard and tries to right her wrongs, and she does in the end. She wants what's best for Mandalore, even if it comes at a cost (she was willing to trade the Darksaber in for Mandalore's safety!!!). - Meanwhile Cody is not even a Mandalorian.

Bo-Katan Kryze

Anon: Bo-Katan propaganda: she babysat a Jedi child without the child dying or killing anyone and leading a planet is basically just babysitting a child on a big scale right

Anon: Bo-Katan spent like three years as a terrorist but she also spent 30 years rebelling against fascists so idk I'm willing to hear her out on this. Welcome back Princess Leia 👏

Anon: As Satine's sister, she would have received much the same early training and education in how to rule their Duchy on Kalevala, as she alluded to in her comments in The Mandalorian - while her involvement in Death Watch is perhaps not a mark in her favor, she did seemingly have many years of experience working as Pre Vizsla's lieutenant, and earned the trust of many of his followers who defected to follow her following Pre's death and Maul's claiming of the Darksaber and throne of Mandalore, forming the bulk of her fighting force during her efforts to reclaim that throne during the Siege of Mandalore - during the Rebels timeline, she has lost the throne once again due to an Imperial-backed coup, but seems to have been working to resist the Empire's rule; during this time, she is chosen to be the figurehead and rallying point of that apparently unsuccessful effort - finally, during the time of The Mandalorian, she has been rallying the surviving clans to reclaim the Darksaber as a stepping stone for reuniting their people; after her work with Din Djarin and the Armorer, she once again is selected by her people to be their leader as they work to rebuild their reclaimed home planet

Anon: Bo-Katan should be the Mand'alor because, while having done a LOT of shit, she tried her best to free Mandalore from the Empire and to give her people the safety they lost when the New Mandalorian Government fell - She worked to redeem herself, and she got back up every time she fell. She united the people of Mandalore from every aspect and kept the warrior traditions alive

@lightsaberwieldingdalek: Literally the only reason I can think of for Bo-Katan to rule is that she’s stubborn. She doesn’t stop trying to get Mandalorians organized and on their homeworld. Kinda a Robert the Bruce and a spider in a cave style parable, except instead of the English she’s trying to fight her own bad actions/behavior towards others

Anon: Bo-Katan propaganda: you know that quote about "It's hard for a good man to be king?" Well considering she's a terrible person she'd actually be pretty good at ruling Mandalore.

COMMANDER CODY

Anon: Propaganda for Commander Cody: - Cody was a student of Alpha-17, who in turn had been personally trained by former Mand'alor Jango Fett, giving him a strong training lineage claim to the title - Cody's service as Marshall Commander in the GAR gave him a lot of the diplomatic, organizational, and military experience needed to govern a planet like Mandalore

@spacetime1969: This man has led more people at once than anyone on this list.

Anon: Cody should be Mand'alor because it would be unspeakably sexy

@cha0s-cat: Cody has experience with negotiating from accompanying Obi-Wan, he leads a massive amount of his brothers already. Can recognize when there is a need for negotiations vs a need for violence. This would balance out the majority of the two factions (pacifists/traditionalists) excluding the extremists on either end. And with the amount of chaos that he has to deal with when it comes to Obi-Wan and Anakin, this would probably be relaxing.

@skykind: - Has resisted fascism and its attendant police/military state at great personal risk (Bad Batch 2.3), which is apparently necessary to successfully govern Mandalore so long as Death Watch is fully armed and also backed by someone more cunning than their usual leadership (Clone Wars 5.15). - Possesses exceptional leadership and organizational ability from his time as one of the highest-ranked Clone officers of the GAR. The Clone Wars and Bad Batch narratives furthermore present him as Obi-Wan’s peer, so he should be interpreted as equally skilled, wise, kind, and unhinged-in-battle as Obi-Wan. Jury’s out on the sarcasm. - Turns to diplomacy before fighting (Bad Batch 2.3). - Has caught a Jedi’s lightsaber mid-battle at least two times (Clone Wars 1.20 and Revenge of the Sith). This is a very useful skill to have as the prospective or current leader of people who keep chucking the darksaber about. - Has returned a lightsaber to a Jedi at least two times. This is a crucial skill to have as the prospective or current leader of people who should stop selecting said leader via darksaber acquisition.

@antianakin: [From the Boba vs Cody poll] So in a very practical sense, if I'm just looking at it with the question of "Who actually has the skills to be a good leader of people" [between Boba and Cody] then the answer is undoubtedly Cody. Cody was trained his entire life presumably to be a Commander in a large army and seems to do that very successfully for three years. He seems fairly humble, has good teamwork skills, he's kind and understanding and merciful, and he's a very skilled fighter. All of this would serve him exceedingly well if he chose to take on a leadership position, on Mandalore or otherwise. - The one downside to Cody is that Cody shows exactly zero interest in Mandalore at all. Cody does not identify as a Mandalorian at any point and never seems like he'd want to, let alone LEAD the Mandalorians. I do not personally see Cody actually being WILLING to lead Mandalore if offered the opportunity, even if he'd definitely have the skills to do so. I feel like if it were offered to him or fell into his lap somehow, he'd just pass it off immediately to the next most qualified person who was interested in it. Mandalore is not his problem or his responsibility and he's not about to change that.

[jedi-enthusiast]

I swear, anytime I've ever argued with someone who thinks that the Jedi either 1. enslaved the clones themselves or 2. were complicit in their slavery because they didn't do anything about it---literally none of them have ever been able to answer my very simple question:

What would YOU have them do, instead of what they did?

Because, looking at it logically, there was literally nothing they could've done that wouldn't have either put the clones in MORE danger or condemned everyone else in the galaxy to death and dictatorship.

Like, first of all, the Jedi didn't enslave the clones themselves because they didn't even KNOW about them until Obi-Wan ended up on Kamino while investigating Padme's attempted assassination. The only people who know about the clones are:

1. Palpatine, the fascist who's literally plotting to wipe out the Jedi using the clones AND the person who likely came up with the whole thing or---at the very least---greenlit it and said "oh yeah, let's make an army of slaves and eventually mind control them to murder people, sounds fun!"

2. Dooku, another fascist who's plotting to wipe out the Jedi using the clones, and the person who wiped Kamino out of the Jedi Archives SPECIFICALLY SO THEY WOULDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT IT AND STOP THEM.

And 3. Jango, who doesn't give a DAMN about the clones, is in it for the paycheck, and who literally hates the Jedi so he's also 100% on board for the whole "use the clones to murder the Jedi" thing.

All of these people have a vested interest in keeping the clones a secret from the Jedi and we literally SEE them do everything they can to keep the Jedi from finding out. Obi-Wan finding out was an accident and, by then, it's out of their hands---it's too far gone to stop it and they have to alert the Senate, especially given that it's connected to a senator's would-be assassinator.

Obi-Wan couldn't exactly be like- "oh, what happened during my investigation? Nothing, don't worry about it, don't check my navigator" -like, exactly how well do y'all think it would've gone if the Jedi had tried to hide the clones from the Senate and the Senate found out about it? You do realize that Palpatine would've just used that against the Jedi as well, right?

SECONDLY, what about the fucking LOGISTICS of trying to save the clones from the Senate once they ARE found out?

Assuming that the Jedi just decide to take the clones, pack up, and LEAVE---which would mean abandoning their ancestral temple, likely abandoning all of their sacred artifacts that likely can't be moved (either bc they're permanent, too delicate, or there just wouldn't be enough room), and the dangerous artifacts like sith holocrons that could very well hurt anyone who comes into contact with them + give Palpatine more power if he finds them.

And ALSO assuming that the Jedi can somehow take care of themselves---including their sick, injured, elderly, and CHILDREN---after abandoning their home and all their resources and without any funding from the Republic. AS WELL AS just ignoring the fact that, by doing this, they'd be abandoning every other planet and cause that they would usually help because---again---they no longer have the resources or support of the Republic + they have to focus solely on protecting the clones...

1. Where would they keep the clones? In the Republic they’d just be captured and forced to fight in the war anyway, the Separatists would kill them or force them to fight for a dictatorship, and they definitely wouldn’t be safe in the Outer Rim where gangs and criminal empires run rampant and would turn them in for a quick buck---not to mention that it'd be incredibly dangerous for the Jedi, since they aren't well-liked among those planets + some factions literally keep Jedi slaves as a show of power/money

2. How would the Jedi take care of them? what about food, water, clothes, medical supplies, shelter, other necessities? Again, this is assuming that the Jedi THEMSELVES don't factor into needing the food, water, etc. which they actually would, which would mean needing even more resources. They don’t have tons of money, “their money” is allocated to them by the Republic—who, in this case, would not be giving them money

And 3. that’d either just get civilians killed because they aren’t fighting at all in TCW or get clones killed because they DO fight but just don't take orders from the Republic, which would cut off their supplies, which would make the “saving clones” thing pointless.

So, very obviously, the Jedi can't just fucking pack up and leave---if you say that they can and that it's a totally feasible thing for them to do as of the Prequels, you're a liar and you're ignoring all of the logistical questions because you know that it won't work.

"B- But why don't they just force the Senate to listen/free the clones? They didn't do anything to try and fight for them!"

Well, I hate to tell you this, but the Jedi were kinda in the middle of a fucking WAR, they didn't exactly have the time to draft up a "Clone Rights Act," present it in the Senate, argue about it for days/months/years, revamp it, gather political allies to back the bill, etc. etc. while they were juggling a thousand other things and trying to protect the Republic from the fucking fascist dictatorship attacking and enslaving entire planets. In fact, it's one of several reasons why the Jedi were unable to uncover Palpatine's plot until the end of the war- (before then being betrayed by Anakin, who fucked everything up).

Ignoring all of that, though, how would you propose the Jedi "force" the Senate to do anything?

1. They can’t go on strike to protest what the clones are going through, that’d get people killed since they're no longer helping anyone/protecting people from the Separatists.

2. They can’t physically force anyone to do anything or use a mind trick to force their way, that’s sith behavior and a dictatorship---and we all know that if the Jedi DID do this y'all would scream, cry, and complain about how "evil" the Jedi were.

and 3. the Jedi have no political power, so it’s not like they can push the Senate to free the clones in that way either, they couldn't even stop the Senate from DRAFTING THEM INTO THE WAR---what makes you think they could convince the Senate to give up their ENTIRE FUCKING ARMY in the MIDDLE OF A FUCKING WAR???

The Jedi literally have no way to help the clones without making things worse, the only thing they can do is try to keep them alive in battle, encourage them to embrace their individuality, and hope that once the war is over they'll be able to do more to help! That's all they can do!

Not to mention that the same people that whine and cry about how "evil" the Jedi are for not somehow saving the clones NEVER seem to hold the same vitrol for the POLITICIANS who ACTUALLY HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THINGS!!!

No one ever rages against Padme or Bail or Mon Mothma for not doing anything to help the clones, no one bashes Riyo Chuchi for only helping the clones AFTER the war when the Empire was tossing them out---why is that? Why are they never held accountable? Why is it never THEIR responsibility, even though they have more power than the Jedi?

Why are the Jedi the only ones to blame?