#mcyt discourse

[noxious-fennec]

I love how being obsessed with livestreamed Minecraft role play for a period of my life has granted me access to seemingly endless interpersonal dramas I can tap into at 7 in the morning. Ex-girlfriend at the function pov

[mangobubbletea7]

Can I also say that often, the women of the DSMP would often get way more criticism than the male creators would get.

We had Hannah getting attacked for saying “sus” in her stream title because she was doing “cultural appropriation” when it had been an internet wide meme for months and many of the men on the server made the same exact jokes. Then when she got upset because she had just been trying to mess around on the server for a fun stream, people accused her of “using white women’s tears” … She got criticized for winning the elytra wings for I don’t even remember what reasoning.

We had Niki cut out of the main plot for months when Wilbur basically just forgot about her character and when she finally carved out her own niche in the story, her character got visceral hate for months because she was playing a role against Tommy and trying to help create conflict for the story. ALSO PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY STILL MISSPELLING HER NAME TO THIS DAY. HER NAME IS 4 LETTERS LONG AND WE ARE THE FANDOM THAT LEARNED HOW TO SPELL L’MANBURG

We had Puffy blowing up Tommy’s house because he took down L’Targay, and then people Freaked Out about it because a few lines had been said about her being his therapist and because his character was still in conflict with Dream, Puffy was being evil to him and apparently no one else was allowed to do any kind of conflict with Tommy because of it. Another time Tommy was stirring up some conflict and stole Puffy’s axe and of course because she didn’t just let him have the axe (which wouldn’t have been good content) she got criticized. Because she was a therapist, if she ever treated Tommy with anything but perfect kid gloves, she got actual hate. We’re not even talking about how her character was SO often just reduced to “caring motherly therapist” when if you watched her for any amount of time you knew that she was chaotic as all hell and nothing like that.

[wheatweetwheat]

to focus on a positive in this fuck ass drama, it’s awesome seeing tubbo recognized for how intelligent and succinct he is. over the years, he’s kind of been reduced to just “tommy’s friend”, so to see him very kindly, individually recognized for his mature response is awesome.

aside from his friendship with tommy, i can’t help but feel like the fandom’s perception of him has been motivated by ableism regarding his dyslexia. im very happy to see that bias being put aside.

[trashfangirlsworld]

Tubbo is gonna miss a massive event on his own minecraft server to watch all three hours of dream’s stream so that he has all the context to respond to him properly. Dream couldn’t watch the entirety of the one hour stream tubbo did yesterday and actively skipped important parts.

[rainy-day-revelry]

As many people have mentioned, Dream is very good about framing things to make himself sound right and other people sound unreasonable. But not a single video or post he has made so far can convince me that he is doing this with good intentions, because of the way he speaks towards everyone else involved and those he dragged in.

Now I mainly picked up on this with Tubbo and Tommy, but there are hints of it towards his viewers too: he speaks to us all like we’re children. The way a parent talks to a child they’re trying to gently reprimand, or the way a teacher talks about a subject in class. He speaks like we would never be able to come to these conclusions without his help and that he needs to guide us through it all or we’d get lost in the sea of information. And sure, plenty of his viewer base are kids, but the majority of people who would be watching this drama are fans from the Dream SMP era who knows all these people and remembers when they all used to talk and hang out. We may have been kids back then, but it’s coming up on half a decade since that server began; we’re not kids anymore. I myself started watching the DSMP when I was a underclassman in high school, I’m in college now. All the people he called the R-slur, the people who were offended and wanted an apology that he took days to properly deliver, most of us are adults. We can form our own conclusions, and we’re not an amorphous blob of opinions and views, we’re our own people.

This is especially bad when talking about it to Clingyduo, especially Tubbo. In his 3 hour stream he continually talks about Tubbo being misguided, and despite saying he has great respect for Tubbo and his opinions he skips context and actual criticism multiple times or, as Tubbo mentions, tunnel visions on one part of the criticism he can target and tosses the rest out with it when he’s done. He doesn’t give two shits about what Tubbo says unless it’s something he can use against the people criticizing him to make them sound disingenuous. With Tommy it’s worse, because when he’s not villainizing him beyond belief he’s using that condescending tone to talk about how proud he is and how he thought Tommy was special, which explains why Tommy felt so much pressure from him and like he owed him his success, or at least that Dream thought as much. He holds his approval over his head, like an abusive parent who just spent hours screaming in your face about how much of a disappointment you are before telling them “Of course I still love you.” It has the underlying tone of “you’ll make up for this slight, won’t you?”

And don’t even get me started about the DMs to both Tommy and Sarah. It’s fine to explain your feelings, but you’re not explaining them, you are blaming these feelings and reactions on them and telling them “You are the reason I’ve been suffering, it’s your fault for all of these horrible things that other people have been doing to me.” That’s not explaining your feelings, that’s guilt tripping and expecting an apology. That’s how long texts like that come across, that you don’t want the other person to be able to interject, you don’t want to make this a conversation, you want to drop your feelings and leave them to clean up the mess.

Dream’s a manipulative jerk, that’s all this has proved to me.

[charikity]

he even woke up billzo from his hibernation

GET HIS ASS

[thegoldendaystrikesback]

People watching tubbo's stream

[hermitcraftx]

One big problem with Scar's recent tweet (the one stating him and Grian have to avoid each other due to lots of negative feedback) is the sort of unawareness on this website. Yes, CCs certainly don't step foot here nearly as much as other websites, but acting like it's solely a YouTube and Reddit problem is driving me insane.

For the past year most of Trafficblr has been nothing but negativity and complaining towards folks that post Scar and Grian together, complaining that they're overrated and that they're sick of seeing them together. Almost all of the "hot takes" and "discourse" that people post are just whining about how annoying and popular Grian is, and how everything is desert duo, and how they want to see other things.

And I've pointed that out. Several times! Few people listened! Mcytblr confessions is almost entirely negativity, I see rancid takes about Grian alone (not even MENTIONING desert duo or scarian) on a damn near daily basis. I've gotten hate asks saying things along the lines of "of course you post about Grian and Scar" and "I followed you for Joel, not scar". Popular fan artists and bloggers hopping on the hate train, bullying popular fanon concepts and canon concepts, saying they hate the angst, or that it's overrated, or that there's too much shipping and they don't like it anymore. People that like other MCYTers like Zedaph, or Big B, or Tango, or anyone and everyone under the sun all blamed Grian and desert duo for their lack of content and accused Grian fans of not putting enough effort into fandom. Effort! Into fandom! Like it's a requirement and not a hobby you do for fun!

And those exact same people are shocked right now. I'm going to pull you all close when I say this: fandom is supposed to be fun. It is not a job. Nobody is required to like certain things, and that applies to your dislike of Grian and Scar together, true... But the wave of hate the past year or so has been ridiculous. If someone only watches Grian or Scar, that's fine. They don't have to watch anyone else. If they only post about desert duo or scarian it doesn't make them shallow or basic.

If you are genuinely upset by this, please, I beg of you: take a break from fandom. There have always been more popular characters and pairings in fandom. That is a fact of life. If you are genuinely, seething, furiously upset about all the Grian and Scar, or anything in fandom, take a break. You have to remember that the CCs don't have to do this, and they are friends and people too, and the negativity you have towards your fandom make them think you hate it. While it's true the bottom of the barrel dwell in YouTube comments and on Reddit, I see a lot of negativity on Twitter and Tumblr.

Frankly, I'm pissed. And grateful we even have a life series anymore, with all the negative feedback they get on every little aspect of the life series. Let friends be friends, for fuck's sake. And if you feel you MUST post negatively about anything in the life series or group, I suggest you make like the DSMP fandom and add CC! or C! indicators. Someone on Twitter bemoaned they weren't complaining about "fanon scarian, not canon scarian" which I think is a roundabout way of denying they're two separate things. But I digress as that's not what this post is about. The point is is that those same people that were so eager to complain about Scar and Grian being overrated are awfully, awfully quiet now. For shame, do better, and have fun. It's Minecraft YouTube, not a job.

TL;DR: Traffic Twitter and Trafficblr both have problems with hating on Scar and Grian disproportionately and now that it's rearing it's ugly head, they blame YouTube and Reddit to absolve themselves of responsibility. Fandom is supposed to be fun!

[applepixls]

i dont really want to talk about it but i guess everyone is so i wanted to pitch in a few thoughts

first of all, i pretty thoroughly agree with enkay’s perspective on this (linked)

i think an important thing to keep in mind is that skizz is (as others have said) from a generation where being neutral on topics can be easier than taking a side

he also was Just A Guy™️ for 40 odd years, and recently has shot up to having 200k eyes on him. similar to actors that didnt grow up in hollywood, he isnt trained for this. he doesnt have the practice to know how to handle this sort of stuff and internet culture which compounds with his neutrality resulting in lots of things being blown out of proportion

additionally, his publicly right wing mods a) do not get paid for modding (this info is based on a google search, idk about skizz and his mods specifically) so enjoying his streams/vods does not fund them and b) their political views likely didnt matter when they came on board. like a random coworker, their political beliefs dont always come up. not to mention skizz is quite privileged and doesnt (that we know) have direct close family or friends who would be greatly effected by right wing politics, so he probably has the privilege of having friends with different political beliefs because its a pretty good debate topic and doesn’t harm him directly

this is not meant to excuse skizz or defend his mods, im just trying to offer an angle that lots of people seem to be forgetting. i encourage everyone to read multiple perspectives, stay up to date on the facts, dont just go by word of mouth, and keep yourself safe. if this is a stressor then filter tags and wait for it to blow over

tldr: everyone try to be kind. skizz has explicitly stated that he supports trans rights and he doesnt tolerate hate of any kind. the mod situation is tricky but i will be following along to see what happens.

p.s. make sure to tag your posts! we dont need to add extra stress to people who are trying to filter these posts so they can deal with other stuff rn

[totallynotbat]

[hopalongfairywren]

It sucks that something as near and dear to me as the DSMP has been tainted by horrific actions of some of its creators. That's obviously not the worst part of the whole situation, and shouldn't be the main focus. But fuck it, i'm not letting them ruin the stories and characters that in large part, only came together because of the fandom. I will make characters into ocs if I have to.

[mangobubbletea7]

If this is something that doesn’t happen behind the scenes, why did even ConnorEatsPants vent about the dream team circles being sexist and talking about women in derogatory ways months ago? This is a repeated complaint, it has serious merit.

[trashfangirlsworld]

No but like, dream straight up making up stuff about how tommy doesn’t pay his editors simply because tommy said he doesn’t think dream puts his heart when making his own videos is insane fucking behavior and is telling of his character and how he’s treated others for years.

He essentially proved tommy’s point.

[sop-soap]

He didn’t even need to get involved in the beef fr he just wanted to say it

[thegoldendaystrikesback]

The way iskall talks about being canceled for "consentualy chatting with adult women" kinda reminds me how some people responded to the try guys situation 2 years ago. No, you weren't canceled for your own private matters that are none of anyone's business; you ware asked to resign for abusing your power and being inappropriate.

[rekas-bitches]

On the Wilbur situation

I don't care if you decide to drop him, not at all, but I will block anyone who still denies that it's him after Shubble made this tweet. Wilbur was the one who abused her.

She's all but confirmed it, she's just not saying his name. If you want more evidence in good faith, feel free to dm me for clarification.