#tw fandom discourse

[psychedelic-ink]

I just want to say that you cannot own a character or an au. If the fandom has came to a point where people are worried to write for a character just because someone else owns them or get nervous over writing an au just because someone else beat them to it, we’re doing something wrong.

If you see me writing an au and want to go for it, feel free to do so. If you credit me as inspo that's fine, if not that's also fine because like I said no one owns these aus. Unless you're taking direct plot points or copy pasting things to your own fic from someone else’s, which is obviously a big no no, writing for the same au is fine. And I’d honestly hate to see people not writing things they want to write just because someone claims they’re the only person allowed to write it. That’s not how this works.

Just food for thought

[martyreasemymind]

"billy was a good person"

"billy was a bad person"

you have a 7 year old's concept of morality, nothing interesting to say, and i'm sick to bastard death of you.

[literally-the-mothman]

Need some help understanding

Okay so in the show, Sheriff Stilinski’s name is Noah. Like it’s canonically Noah so I really need to know where the hell people are getting “John” from? Like why John of all things? Is it because you didn’t know his name? Because you could’ve just looked it up. And I’m not judging the people who use it (well not a lot) but like, Noah is such a better name than John and I feel like whenever I read a fic where his name is John, I picture him as a completely different person. Like it’s not the same character, he has a different personality, etc. like again no offense but could everyone please start using Noah? Like that’s his name, it’s never been John.

Okay just reiterating because I kinda got off track but why do people call him John?

[uglynavel]

Harringrove antis and specifically St3ddie shippers saying we only ship Harringrove because they're two attractive white men is so hypocritical as if they aren't doing the same thing.

They act like they don't remember both Joe K and Joe Q saying they weren't romantically coding anything and it wasnt until st3ddie shippers asked Joe Q over and over about the ship until he caved in and said yes.

Dude was literally pushing Hellcheer at first and admitting that Eddie and Chrissy had chemistry

Also that's not the big brained statement that antis think it is when really we all need to be sideying the duffers for casting 98% white people for this show

Like who the fuck else are we supposed to ship these characters with? It's not out fault all the main adult characters are white

[clartidk123]

"YOU NEED TO INTERACT WITH THE SOURCE MATERIAL" Why dont you actually go fuck yourself and fall on a ditch

[albi-bumblebee]

i find it odd that Sirius fans who think he was abused by his parents emotionally & psychologically but not physically are the ones getting singled out in the discourse, when so many(typically straight fandom people) say his parents weren’t abusive at all and just strict while saying they themselves are Sirius fans, and there aee people only think Walburga was abusive because they’re misogynists. & of course there are also snape stans who say Sirius fans who think his parents abused him only think that because they need him to be a victim because they’re embarrassed that their blorbo is a privlieged man.

like i feel like considering all things in what way are people who think Sirius’ parents were abusive just not physically that bad?

[hellcheercaine]

“Deidara and Kurotsuchi are siblings/cousins!”

It’s pretty obvious you’ve forgotten this:

(I don’t care if you dislike this ship, but please stop fabricating lies to suit your narrative. It’s embarrassing that I have to bring this up in 2023)

[oddogoblino]

I went on a big rant and deleted it for my own sanity but man- I hate how pr*sh*ppers will cause problems and then be upset when people try to find solutions to get rid of them. You aren't a hero. Stop trying to convince yourself and kids that you are. Just- fuck off man. "It's fictional", quit playing, we know that's the only excuse you have because there's nothing you can say to justify it.

I hate this god damn fandom. I dont even hope for their deaths, maybe they can change afterall. They're right in that regard, its fiction, they have the time to make the change since they haven't done/before they do something irredeemable. I just wish that filtering tags automatically blocked anyone who used them. Filtering the tags doesn't do anything if I still have to run into these people to know to block them.

[psychedelic-ink]

I wanted to comment on your post, as well as the reblog by @toxicanonymity but didn't want to get hated as a fan/reader/commenter of the fics by all of you lovely writers... But just to add, it's ALMOST as if... Joel Miller is *canonically* a contractor/construction/maintenance worker... 🥴🥴🥴 And no individual fanfic writer can claim to own that character/trope or publicly get mad when other people write similar things... 🤦🏻‍♀️

There seems to be so many attempts to create unnecessary "RULES" for fic writers AND readers recently... Where writers saying "We appreciate ANY interaction, likes or comments! Thanks for reading 😊" has somehow turned into "Wow, why bother liking or commenting if you're not going to reblog too. That gives us no exposure. 🙄" This has made me, as a LONG TIME fic reader - longer than some here have been alive, want to not read or interact even less. Because I'm not "doing it right". When I LOVE SO MANY stories/writers on here! We are literally all here because we love a fandom and want to have fun in our Delulu Lands. Like WTF? It all just seems very unnecessary, tacky, and disheartening. Just sayin. But I'm so glad you pointed that out 🖤

I just wanna start off by saying that I do not condone taking direct plot points, dynamics or direct dialogue, the post has gotten kind of out of control so I wanted to repeat that first

Ever since I made that post I have been hearing insane things about this discourse that I didn't even know existed. You cannot own tropes, characters or aus or literally porn tropes. And it saddens me to see writers with "less" followers get extremely worried they are going to be called out just because they are writing the same au. I tend to stay away from discourse and mind my own business but that is taking it a bit too far

Also sometimes you jsut get similar ideas. Months ago I had an idea with a selective mute reader x joel fic where she was a baker and it was set during the jackson era. Pretty specific right? NOPE, apparently someone already wrote that on ao3 for game joel and I haven't even heard of it but somehow we still managed to get a very similar idea

As for the reblog thing, I do think that if you like it you should reblog but of course, I am not entitled to anyone's reblogs. The only thing I do get really peeved about is people commenting "PART 2" and then not even reblogging because we put a lot of work into it and it just comes across very demanding.

Like I said stealing direct plot not okay, but writing for the same au is fine, its fanfic, every writer has their own personal touch and different ways of telling a story.

[martyreasemymind]

been thinking about the disparity in the fandom reaction to gator and billy when both have a history of racism and violent behavior, particularly when you can observe the contrast in a single individual (i.e. people who hate billy but love gator).

thinking about how gator's racism and violence is part of a larger, careful depiction and condemnation of a horrific political movement which has half the nation in a stranglehold. how it's woven into the overall narrative and is an integral piece of gator's past, present, and future in the story. how it's depicted as one dimension of a pervasive, poison ideology and infrastructure that is far, far larger than he is but that he undeniably plays a major part in perpetuating.

thinking about how billy's racism and violence is a vehicle for the writer's own egos and self-serving desire to depict themselves as caring about social justice by making a racist boogeyman. how it exists in a vacuum and is never spoken of again. how it exists to give the audience a reason to hate billy and nothing more. how it traumatizes black audience members so white audience members can feel good for hating it. how it is ABOUT the white characters and therefore the white writers and audience members who love to hate it instead of the black character and audience who are brutalized to make it happen.

thinking about how y'all hold sympathy and make excuses for gator but not for billy.

about y'all seeing a 27-year old man who is an active, integral part of a large-scale, violent right-wing militia as somehow more sympathetic than a 17-year-old boy who is lashing out in bigoted ways because he's getting hit in a bigoted household.

y'all hated billy because his racism was easier to see and it made you feel good about yourselves for hating it. y'all love gator because you have to squint to see his racism so you've decided that you can excuse it.

billy's racism affected characters you liked and therefore you, so it was a problem. gator's racism hasn't, so it isn't. it isn't an obstacle to your sympathy because you risk nothing by extending it. there are black men working for gator's father so you have decided that is evidence enough that the bigotry gator holds is not prohibitive. there are no convenient poc under threat to form your moral superiority around 'protecting', so it's an unfortunate character flaw instead of fundamental moral failing.

y'all will gladly gush over and rally behind the redemption of a grown man deliberately and willingly following a fascistic megalomaniac wife beater because his trauma has set him up to do nothing else. y'all will gladly celebrate the death of a teenager trapped in an abusive home who behaves violently and with bigoted motivations because his trauma has set him up to do nothing else.

the only difference between the two is the racism of one inconveniences you to consider and the other doesn't.

[mrsblackruby]

Personally I actually think the mutant mayhem movie ended really sad. I think the turtles will be seen as pawns of the machine more than as actually being truly accepted. The turtles got the fantasy they wanted but they shouldn’t have had to prove themselves like that to be accepted. It felt like a “oh you’re helping me now I’m gonna help you” but what happens when the turtles want something that helps them all but the humans don’t see it that way. I was enjoying the movie up until the end because I see tragedy looming in the air for my boys they aren’t truly free. Living like that under human rule and domination, and I hope one day they see that. Also same for April girl them people fake. The humans haven’t done the actual work yet the turtles shouldn’t have to placate their fears with servitude. If the ending were to actually make me happy Their agency should be respected sometimes the turtles will make mistakes and they shouldn’t have to risk being discriminated against because of that. That ending made me sad but I feel like people would expect it to make me happy personally it did not.

I feel like the turtles are trapped in a box where they’re expected to perfectly fit into how human society works now but what if the way human society works isn’t a prefect fit for them will people just expect them to be grateful they don’t have to live in the sewer system their entire lives anymore? It was a tragic ending for me personally I just don’t see it working out until that situation’s made more clear for the mutants and things didn’t seem cleared up by the end. I still liked the movie. But I don’t have my rose colored glasses on.

[gracegrove]

So do you want segregation now??? Like...?

[penvisions]

um okay, just got a small barrage of messages from some anons about how i only write angst / torture my reader inserts / write ignorantly about the issues at hand. oh and not enough smut.

so logging off for the day, i am not dealing with this

[cage-cat-yt]

Gonna complain here a lil 🤭

Soooo I have an insta, semi active on it, not too much tho? But it's a good spot for like a System of a down fandom area cause it's dead here on Tumblr and sometimes I feel bad for rambling about it to people who aren't as into SOAD lol

But there's like one major problem that genuinely makes me question if I should delete the app 😭

And that's the fact some people ship the members together

And they're real people. Not fictional.

Like I do try my best to make it clear that I am pretty lax and flexible with ships, even if I don't like them? (Unless it's like p3dophilic, inc3st, z00philic etc) Cause I'd rather just let people live their life even if I don't like the ship 😭 (it's obvious with Jelix, I used to hate it a lot more but at this point I'm not gonna complain cause it can be done cool, unless someone's f3tishizing them in any way, but that's a VERY SMALL amount, most of them are chill so I've calmed down. Also one sided pining Jelix where Jack isn't homophobic my beloved)

But with like irl people, I'm sorryyyy they're real people. Serj, Shavo, and John all have wives. Daron has a girlfriend. All the SOAD members have platonic relationships, and that is ok because friendships are literally so awesome! Not everything has to be shipping, and it just icks me cause like, imagine if you were getting shipped with your friends. It's uncomfortable and icky, I say from experience (lol small ramble when I was in 8th grade there was a group of bullies trying to ship me and one of my irl besties together, until I completely blew up on them mid class and they got into trouble. It's fine now cause one of them lost a lotta their friends after she cheated on 4 of her boyfriends, which like, just saying, you have it coming if ya do that)

And like, there's some people who draw ship art of them and like, it looks good and they don't seem like mean people, so I feel like an asshole when I block them, and then bits of the SOAD fandom side I'm in act like it's fine and normal, and I feel like I'm going crazy 😭 like, am I doing something wrong?? Is it cause they're celebrities? Like not to be dumb but they're still people, so it still feels wrong.

Anyway yeah that's my complaining session, it's not that serious, I just needed to get it out of my system (of a down).

Also if you do come across that stuff DO NOT HARASS THE ARTIST OR ANYONE JUST BLOCK THEM, cause harassment is never the answer 💥💥

Ok thanks for reading! Remember to self care and hydrate and I hope you have a good day :3

[lapetitechatonne]

small rant

listen. i love tim. i’ve been writing a character study about him for over a year.

but if i read one more “aww Tim was just a baby boi 🥺 and everyone was so mean to him when Bruce died” post i’m GOING to scream. in fact i was yelling about it and my girlfriend had to listen to it all so she’s really the victim in all this.

stop👏sacrificing👏THE WHOLE ARCH👏and everyone’s👏characterization👏to👏babygirl-ify👏him👏

[blueberrythefrog]

Are you still doing welcome home AU's?

Ah, I knew this was gonna happen Sadly no, I have discontinued the public showing of my AU. I am still making WH content!, just offline now. I don't feel really comfortable sharing my art of Welcome Home anymore, due to the dramas that have happened. (won't state what for the sake of; not starting a fight, mainly for twitter drama and tumblr drama. and to not bring up drama in general, let's be respectful here) I rather support clown silently!, no offense to any good fans! I will say though, the new update rocks!, hope to see more!, I just won't be posting WH content on this blog publicly for the foreseeable future. thanks for asking though!