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Omg literally it would be SO cool if you wrote the rest of the playboy bruce trying to kiss the justice league without them realizing it (I know you said figure it out but the way you wrote it was so good and funn I would love it if you gave maybe a couple of scenarios)

Lmao honestly executive dysfunction is kicking my ASS rn and it was intended as a prompt. I will try tho, definitely taking inspiration from the others who responded to the post because I love them.

If you haven’t, go check out the notes on the OG Post above! @britcision, @ivywing, and @help-i-need-a-cool-username all had amazing additions and @foursixtwonineoh-pieces-of-lego wrote a fic:

https://archiveofourown.org/works/48325771

As did @scrapcheck, still in progress

And Devilhorn!

Anyways LONG post under the cut

Hal Jordan

Hal is first to prove a POINT, as @britcision decided. Also because the bastard made it waaaay too easy. Remember- Hal was Joking. He genuinely thinks Batman isn’t going to try, because he’s way too straight-laced boring.

So when he’s at a bar in Coast City, and he sees this absolutely ravishing man lounging casually against the wall, bar lighting making him practically glow (he CALCULATED that) subtle makeup making his bright blue eyes pop as he looks Hal up and down… Well. Hal makes the first move.

Hal: “All on your own, handsome?”

Bruce, with “Mastermind” by Taylor Swift playing in his head, smiling sweetly at Hal: “Care to change that?”

They start talking. Hal doesn’t recognize Bruce Wayne at ALL (canonically he does not know who Bruce Wayne is, a point brought up by @help-i-need-a-cool-username) so all he knows is Bruce is a single father who works at a company he inherited from his parents, which is just (brucie voice) “so much less interesting than a test pilot!”

Bruce, grimacing internally but wrapped around Hal’s arm with the awed and interested eyes in full effect: “you have such a nice voice, tell me more about planes…”

He KNOWS what a fuselage is, thank you, Jordan. Whatever. He gets to gush about his kids, when its his turn to talk, good enough tradeoff. He can survive Hal Jordan’s bad pick up lines and pretend he’s into them. At a certain point Bruce breaks and kisses him just to shut him up. One down.

Diana Prince

I looked it up- kissing in Ancient Greece wasn’t always considered romantic, but also a greeting between two similarly-ranked people. Therefore, I think Diana would be pretty chill with kissing and honestly an easy target at a gala if Bruce plays respectful/clumsy/earnest himbo starstruck with the tall pretty woman, just a peck would make him the happiest man alive. But I wanna go a little more in depth.

Now, I’ve seen Flash and Martian Manhunter save Bruce and/or his kids and Bruce lays one on them, but honestly I think it would work well with Diana too, because she loves kids. Dick and/or Jason (whichever you want to imagine, I want them to team up screw canon) are WAY to excited for this, they’ve got a little script and everything.

WonderWoman, a kid in each arm, delivering them back to their tearful guardian: “Here we are, Mr. Wayne. Whole and healthy.”

Dick, playing into his role eagerly: “Oh my gosh, Bruce! Bruce we got saved by a princess! It’s like a fairytale! Except, you know, the princess is the hero this time, which is so freaking cool!”

Bruce, tears of gratitude rolling down his face (and he knows how to still look perfect while crying, its a skill): “I’m just glad the two of you are safe, Chum.”

Jason, big baby blues in full effect, absolutely asked Wonder Woman to be his mom earlier (to set groundwork, no other reason): “You know, usually the princess and the hero gets a kiss at the end of a fairytale, Bruce. But this princess is both. So how will she get a reward?”

Still choked up with relieved tears and now laughter, Bruce looks up at Diana and smiles: “Well, if the Princess wants a reward… then I would be a fool to refuse.”

Bruce kisses her on the lips, Dick and Jason both kiss her cheeks, Diana leaves charmed and amused by the sweet family. Such a good father, humoring his children and thier little fascination with her, so very respectful…

Two down.

J’ohn Jones

Okay, martians are telepathic. So this goes one of two ways, at some sort of charity or something-

Option 1, Batman is a realist: the charity event is a masquerade, and he wanders over to where MM is while thinking “it would be so funny, give me this.” As loudly as he can. And Martian Manhunter, who appreciates the audacity, gives him a kiss. (I don’t like this one because it technically breaks the rules of the bet, bc MM knows it’s Batman, but eh)

Option 2, Batman is a different breed: he manages to up the ante with his Himbo Persona. Creating a “slippery void” mental facade that blocks of his real thoughts and makes him read as really just that stupid. This would require functioning with two trains of thought at once, and making sure that the Martian can only read the surface level, “oh, this one is pretty” “I really wouldn’t mind kissing him�� and other such decoy thoughts, instead of “target is approaching, signs of interest present despite this not being his natural form-“

Bruce also researches and copies Martian courting styles and copies them “by chance,” catching MM’s attention. (He offers him Oreos)

Martian Manhunter: “this man… he is so empty headed and yet clearly kind and willing. I would not take him for a life partner, but for some simple fun as he seems to desire…”

(Edit: Maybe, if B is confident enough, he lets through his loneliness. Missing his parents, wanting affection, an ache so strong it’s like a physical wound. J’onn feels the same ache for his lost family, and decides to try this human’s strategy to fill that void. Either way…)

Batman 3, League 0

Barry Allen

I’m strangely blank when it comes to the Flash let me just spitball and let it snowball

As I said above, people have had him save Bruce, had Bruce seduce him at his workplace while taking a tour, I even saw @help-i-need-a-cool-username have Dick set up a petition for Bruce to kiss the Flash. (An idea that I personally think would also go really well with Superman lmao.)

Anyways, I think it would be funny for Bruce to take it slow with Barry. For the irony of it all. Because Batman is doing this to prove a POINT. So he’s in central city, spots Barry coming his way, and “accidentally” slips right into his arms. Ooh, or covered in coffee, like a wealth disparity drama base script, and Barry’s like “omg i am so sorry let me pay you back.” And bruce is all “this shirt costs (stupid amount of money)”

Barry: (fear)

Bruce, rolling with it rn: “yes, it is horrendous, isn’t it? Hows this- I’m in central city for a day. You can pay me back by showing me around?”

He then proceeds to string barry along on an honest to god DATE for shits and giggles. They go clothes shopping, they go to restaurants, Bruce pays for a big meal bc this is after a fight or something and Barry got hurt, his speedster comrade needs to EAT, damnit.

After all this, he gives a cheeky smile and lightly smooches Barry. “Thanks for the fun day, Mr. Allen.”

Barry, bright red and goo brained: “hah- mmhmm. Yeah…”

Batman 4, League 0

Oliver Queen

This one… Oliver is on guard. He’s twitchy and suspicious, turning down men flirting with him, people are starting to notice. But Bruce? Bruce just walks up at a party while “tipsy” and lays one on him. Straight up. He wants to show just how EASY it is. Because Oliver doesn't even register it. He just laughs and goes: “Hey Brucie! Miss me?”

Batman 5, League 0

Dinah Lance

Of course, immediately after above, he turns and pouts at canary.

Bruce: “Dinah darling, you are a saint, I don’t know how you put up with the mess he’s got on his face. He was so much nicer to kiss when we were in (fancy private school name drop) together and didn’t have all this nonsense.”

Dinah, laughing at Ollie’s offended noises: “Oh, I don’t mind it. He’s a good kisser.”

Bruce: “Of course he is, I taught him. Care to compare?”

Dinah: “Don’t mind if I do.”

Batman 6, league 0

Clark Kent

For Clark, Bruce is originally talking to Lois before he turns his eyes on a quiet Clark and croons: “So, Miss Lane, does this lovely specimen have his own questions, or is he arm candy? And if he’s the latter, can I either tempt him off you, or secure an invitation?”

Lois, an excellent friend who will absolutely set Clark up with the hottest bachelor in Gotham: “Well, Mister Wayne, I’ve got all I need. Clark, take a page from my book and honeytrap a good quote out of him, hm?”

With an obnoxious wink, she pats a spluttering Clark on the shoulder, and leaves him with a very smug Batman.

(Bonus Superbat- Clark and Bruce’s conversation is going REALLY WELL and to the point where both of them seem on board with more than a heavy makeout when Bruce puts a hand on Clarks chest.

Bruce: “Stop.”

Clark, freezing immediately: “I’m sorry, did I go too far-?”

Bruce: “No, no. I think I might be though. See, I have all of you now, and I’ve won the bet.”

Clark: “What are you- oh. Oh- HUH?”

Cue sudden and shocked revelation, Clark’s mind going a hundred miles an hour, and then skidding to a stop on- he only did this for the bet. He’s not really interested. He stopped because I went too far-

Bruce: “You only consented to a kiss without knowing my identity. Right now, I’d like to do more, if you’d let me.”

Clark has the dial-up tone ringing in his ears, he has no idea whats going on anymore, the hot billionaire and his reclusive teammate aren’t quite slotting into place, because he wants both but rhey’re so different but they’re the same but-

“Yes.”

Lois doesn’t get Clark back that night and she is delighted.)

Anyways, final results:

Batman: 7

League: 0

Reveal:

Batman talking shit about their secret identities again, Green Lantern is scoffing about it again, says something along the lines of: “You still think you’re sooooo great, huh? Hows the bet going, spooky?” Fully expecting Batman to get huffy with him.

Instead, Batman smirks.

He leans in

And purrs: “So you didn’t notice?”

The League freezes. The implications are dangling over their head. Did he… did he really?

Green Lantern, absolutely terrified: “No. no, there’s no way…”

Batman: “Oh, there absolutely was a way. I’d say you were a good kisser, but honestly? I think it might have been the euphoria of getting you to shut up.”

He turns on the rest of the league, still smirking. “I have kissed every single person who consented at least once in the time since the bet was made. Two of you with tongue. And no one has called me out on it. Now that you know it’s happened, you should be able to figure me out, so whoever can tell me my real name first, wont get thier story used as an example in the brand new “how to avoid honeypots” seminar.”

(If bonus superbat, B shoots Superman a Look and goes “except for you, superman, because I told you my name.” Which just ends up distracting everyone else until they get THAT story)

Diana wins bc she matched up the boys to the robins. Everyone else gets their stories told in excruciating detail. Batman rates them by kissing ability and how obvious he was on his approach. Oliver gets docked points for “texture.” Dinah gets docked points because “i griped about the exact same thing in and out of costume, how did you not notice-“

(Different reveal below)

@chaos-n-kindness @she-went-that-way @geekonaleash @redh00dsbf @howabouticallyou

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arcarcarc · 6 days ago

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Batman the Playboy

Justice League, not quite early days but before proper identity reveals, though everyone knows Batman knows theirs, bc he has Opinions™ and Constructive Criticisms™ on their secret-keeping.

The issue is brought up on random occasions. The most notable incident- the Justice League, including Batman, being Drunk for Bonding, (or hit with some kind of drug while out saving the world) and Batman, in a fit of paranoid good intentions because he CARES about these idiots, damnit, why must they be so careless, starts insulting them.

Batman, leaning heavily on the table: “GL, you’re a mess, I don’t even know where to start with you. And Arrow! Your goatee is so distinctive, it’s a wonder no one has called you out on it-“

Green Arrow, also drunk: “Alright, there’s no need to insult my awesome facial hair-”

Batman, in despair: “It’s so ugly.”

Green Arrow: (offended noises)

Green Lantern: “Okay, the only reason you know our secret identities is because you’re a rude nosy bastard who needs to know everything about us like a creepy stalker who needs an ego boost! We’re not stupid, Spooky, we’re just polite. We could figure you out easily if we wanted to. Superman can see right through your mask!”

Usually, Batman would have a good response to that. Something smart and reasonable like “villains won’t care for your privacy, I’m testing you,” or something cutting like “I don’t care enough about you to go digging, I set your secret identity as a training exercise for Robin.”

However, Batman is Drunk, because for some reason imbibing drugs that dampen higher brain function is socially acceptable and often, for some reason, expected, because it’s “team bonding” and “come on just loosen up a bit.” (Also for him, drunk=Brucie)

So what Batman ends up saying is: “I could kiss you full on the lips in my secret identity and you wouldn’t know a thing.”

Superman, plucking the glass from Batman’s hand: “Aaaand that is enough alcohol for you!”

Batman nods. Thank God. He wants to go home and sleep. But first: “Superman, yours is so stupid it’s almost impressive-”

———

Of course, Green Lantern has smelled a challenge. And Green Lantern must annoy Batman. It’s his true superpower. So, the next time they meet (sober) he brings up the issue again.

GL: “So about what you said at the party… the part where you could kiss us full on the lips without us knowing. You still confident in that without liquid courage, Spooky? Bet you your real name you can’t do it.”

Batman, regretting the fact that alcohol has ever passed his lips: “I could do it, but I will not.”

Flash, curious: “Why’s that?”

Batman: “Informed Consent. I will not risk making any of you feel violated, or manipulated, for the sake of a stupid bet and my ego.”

GA, still offended by the goatee comment, trying to back Batman into a corner: “So if we give consent, we’re fair game? Try me, Batman. Even you can’t pull this off. Anyone else game?”

Some of the Justice League laughs, raising their hands.

Flash: “Come get me, hot stuff! I’ll call you out!”

Wonder Woman: “It could be amusing.”

Martian Manhunter: “I would be far too difficult a target.”

Green Arrow: “Not just you. C’mon, Spooky, flirting well enough to get a kiss from me? I’m a classy lady.”

Black Canary: “D-class, maybe.”

Superman, wants a kiss in on the fun: 🙋🏻‍♂️

“So that’s it then!” Green Lantern says smugly. “Batman, if you can kiss… how many people raised their hands? Ah yes- HALF THE JUSTICE LEAGUE, without anyone realizing it’s you, then you win.”

Batman scoffs and walks out, leaving the Justice League in stitches at their joke. Because- Batman? Being good enough at flirting to land a kiss on half the league, without it being forced or awkward, without them recognizing his body language, his voice, his build? How ridiculous!

The Batman is Autistic. The Batman does not understand jokes, especially not ones that are half truths. The Batman has consent, and something to prove.

And Bruce Wayne, billionaire, playboy, and sexy DILF, has targets.

(Please tell me how you think he gets each League member.)

Edit: there have been a bunch of awesome additions in the notes! My own take here.

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arcarcarc · 12 days ago

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Justice League fic concept:

- ok we suddenly & urgently need somewhere safe to lie low for a couple of days that our enemies definitely don't know about. anyone have any ideas.

Superman, with intense reluctance: I know a place

Cyborg: oh? where is it?

Superman: Kansas

& that's how the rest of the league finds out Superman's secret identity and also gets to meet Ma & Pa Kent

highlights:

- passive aggressive comments from the Kents about how pLeAsED they are to finally meet Clark's co-workers

- 'your name is Clark? Clark??'

- Clark: *hanging out in civilian clothes*

Everyone: o___o

Clark: guys stop staring, this isn't that weird. remember when we all found out Billy was a fifteen year old boy?

Flash: hmm I think this might be weirder?

Cyborg: it's a close thing

Clark: ok let's put this to a vote. hands up everyone who thinks this is as weird or weirder as Billy's secret identity.

Clark: .......Bruce put your hand down, you already knew my real name.

- the Kent house definitely doesn't have enough bedrooms for everyone so most of the league has to camp out on the floor. justice league slumber party baby!!

- no-one brought a change of clothes so they all have to borrow stuff from the Kents. everyone is in plaid whether they like it or not. Ma Kent takes some delight in dressing Billy in Clark's old clothes.

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Comics Time

So I know a lot of people don't quite know how comics time works! And with talk of another 'time slide' happening, I thought I might do a quick research bit and pass the knowledge on to you in a rambling way that might be helpful!

It's called "Sliding Timescale".

It was created as a way to keep comics relevant and not feel 'dated'. But there are lot of issues with it. Let's get into it.

So Marvel dates back to about 1939 but it didn't get fully Established as "MARVEL" until 1961. This was when the comics officially came together and we got our first big deal group/family: The Fantastic Four.

With the creation of The Fantastic Four, the Modern era of comics was started.

It's considered "The Anchor Point". This means that at any given point in comics as time continues on, the Fantastic Four creation is considered the time marker and they decided this marker was 15 years ago.

No matter what year you are living in, The Fantastic Four event that created them (the space flight) happened 15 years ago.

So in 2025, this would make the FF4 event have happened in 2010.

With this anchor point, it means that ALL other events are also adjusted accordingly.

With the set of the modern era in the 60s, they needed a way to keep a time narrative that all current comics could keep. It also was a way to make all current age comics be taking place in the present. ANY present. So if you picked up an Incredible Hulk comic in 1980 and read it, it was present time. If you picked up that same Hulk comic today, it is still present time.

That makes sense. You want to keep everyone on the same page.

The problem? Some characters were set in "Era Specific" events. Specifically military conflicts.

Originally, Mr. Fantastic and The Thing were fighters in WWII. Professor X was from the Korean War. Iron Man was created while testing weapons in the Vietnam War. Frank Castle is most famously from the Vietnam War.

Not to mention major life events that seemed endless at the time like the Space Race (which is how we got the FF4) and the Cold War that spit out villains and plots left and right.

All these major events are now considered dated and make that time slip a bit harder to chew on. You can't say "Ah yes, when Mister Fantastic fought in WWII in 1944, then went to space in 2010 and became a nice young super hero."

In response, Marvel started to alter facts to remove these era specific time stamps and to keep the characters from aging.

The Thing was no longer in WWII, he was now just a test pilot.

Another thing Marvel tried to do was to create a fictional war conflict, The Siancong War, that was big enough that at any given time, a character could reference 'the big war' and it was understood to be this particular war without giving it an actual date or era.

Specifically, it was created as a war that took place some time after the Vietnam war and still involved a lot of Asian influence.

I'll just post the little blurb from Marvel's official site:

"The Siancong War functions as a "floating conflict" that serve as a backdrop for characters whose origins were originally tied to specific wars that occurred in real life and cannot be held by the sliding timescale, mainly the Vietnam War."

Characters like Frank Castle were MADE in Vietnam. But the Vietnam War ended 50 years ago as of 2025. Can you have a normal human man with no powers what-so-ever be out there at 70+ years doing fantastic athletic feats while he beats the ever loving crap out of bad guys?

The Vietnam War was a huge event and the nature of that war is what defines Frank. There is a lot to be said about the war itself, the treatment of the soldiers that returned from the war, and the nature of all veterans.

But can you take the Vietnam out of Frank and still have him be Frank? Is it not War itself that can create all of this? Are not all Veterans at risk of being forgotten and cast out? The MCU answered this in such a beautiful way that you can accept that it was Frank that was broken and simply given the tools to carry on his own war. I still have a lot of feelings about removing Vietnam from Frank and putting him in this fictional war, but we'll save that for philosophy class later.

Now, making this war take place AFTER Vietnam does still leave WWII alone. It leaves it there and it has a date. Both those wars have set hard dates. Characters like Captain America, who has the most set and SOLID time marker still get to hold on to their time line. He was born July 4th, 1918. His age will always be set and his involvement in the war will always be set. The time of his defrosting can change.

Depending on what time line you are reading, he was defrosted at different dates. Initially, he was defrosted in 1964. Not that long of a nap. MCU has him waking up in late 2000s.

Honestly, I enjoy the idea that Steve missed a LOT more of the world. If he missed the civil rights movement, woke up and went "FINALLY" doesn't that make him a better man? Him not being able to connect to the people that should be his age because they underwent so many different major events can also work to alienate him. He can't connect to the people he was born around and he can't connect to people that appear his age now because he was born in a different age.

Then again, Steve Rogers would have marched in the 60s. Having Captain America standing there in support of all those downtrodden and segregated makes a pretty clear message. (This is also a different philosophical discussion I'll save for another time, but keep in mind that Captain America, when written correctly, is a rebel. He does not stand for the politics of America but for the idea of the little man and the immigrant seeking freedoms and the original constitution.)

Right now, Marvel is working on adjusting his defrosting date again to keep things more current. I can't find it in my half-assed searches, but based on the FF4 set time line, does anyone know the age that he is now set to defrost in? I'm genuinely curious.

What I've heard recently is that they are also now working on adjusting when Steven went into that frozen drink. This is where things get dicey. How far into WWII can you move Steve Rogers through before he goes to sleep and still have him with the same experiences? This is a really touchy time to mess with.

We'll get back to it in a bit.

Alright, we understand the set time eras and why and how they move time around.

But what about when the comics need to reference real events? What about characters that are set at a certain age and not supposed to age despite characters around them that ARE aging?

Peter Parker started his heroic career as a sophomore in High School. Various universes still have him as a young kid or teenager, but 616 main line has Peter solidly as a college graduate, married (at times), and with a kid! This is clear progression of time. So how do you put that up against Johnny Storm who is forever the immature little teenage brother to the FF4? A big part of their friendship is that they were the only ones of the same age.

How about Ms. Marvel? She came in as a kid. She's pretty set with other various characters in the universe. Are they going to age her up at some point or will she stay a kid forever? Miles Morales got aged up a few times in Ultimate universe.

What about referencing holidays? How many times can a kid have Christmas and still be 4? Marvel instructs us to not look at them as individual holidays marking the progression of time but more as possibly the same holiday over and over again in different iterations. That wasn't four Christmas' that you read over 4 years. That was four of the SAME Christmas. At the same time, most holiday specials are not considered 'cannon'.

It isn't just the writers that have to dance around time markers. The artists have to be extremely careful when it comes to calendars, newspapers, topical tv references or dates. Even drawing skylines and landmarks can be seen as a time marker.

When the Twin Towers were first built, they were prominently featured in comics. They became a part of the New York Skyline. When they fell, they had to adjust comics to not include them. Then the new memorial tower was built (2015) and that also needed to be added into the Skyline.

So now there is a new Era marker. All older comics featuring the towers is considered 'a reference' and modern era comics now all start after 2001/2015 depending on if the tower is featured or not.

Writers are instructed to generalize when referencing events with set time lines now. When talking about Celebrities or Presidents or even Bands like the Beatles. They say "Oh the president" instead of a name to avoid setting a time. But you can always depict past events by saying "Nixon was a president". This helpfully puts it in the past without saying "He was my president at the time". They are also instructed not to tie a character to an event. You can't say "Frank was at Water Gate". This gives him a date. You can say "Frank was involved in a presidential scandal that was similar to Watergate".

With me so far? This is a lot to take in and hopefully it is making sense of a very messy way to deal with time.

Here's where things get even messier.

All WWII events are accepted as happening in the 1940s. This is when America got involved. We don't talk about the 30s (unless it's Captain Britain?). Anything depicting something that happened in this era is not included on the Timescale EXCEPT when a modern age story is measuring the passage of time between a current event and the 40s.

They are not to say "D-Day was 40 years ago", but they say say the date it happened. The reader is expected to do their own math.

Currently, 1940 was 85 years ago.

Marvel is facing the challenge of characters that are set in this era. Magneto is a problem they have been dancing around for a while now and let me tell you that we are all watching them CLOSELY to see how they deal with it. That is one character you cannot remove from WWII and simply put in some fictional made up war of undetermined time. I'm not going to get into it right now, because I'll be here all day.

They can finally bite the big one and just declare that Magneto is immortal. I think the cartoon at one point noted that the magnetic flow of the Earth itself once healed him and granted him a longer life. I'll buy that. It's comics. It doesn't have to be believable.

Same with Captain America. The Super Serum and being frozen stunted his aging and his healing factor prevents him from aging. I'll buy that.

Wolverine is easy. Even when he isn't there he's there. If you told me he was actually the first cell that split in the primodial ooze, I'd believe you.

But what about characters that set the time line for other characters? What about Characters that have a backstory of surviving the Holocaust and don't have super powers?

Can Marvel remove those characters and give them a new time? A new issue?

Is this not Holocaust erasure at some point if you suddenly have no characters that can come from it?

Example: Elias Spector. Father to Moon Knight. He immigrated to America from Czechoslovakia to escape the Holocaust. He brought with him trauma and Marc Spector grew up navigating that trauma. Generational trauma is a major player in Marc Spector's life and the narrative in Jewish lives. Can you remove Elias Spector from the Holocaust?

I think Marvel already has. As someone pointed out to me a bit ago, Lemire already did that.

As much as I love and praise Lemire as the savior and creator of Modern Day Moon Knight comics, he did re-write and time slide Marc Spector.

Marc is shown as being a boy after Star Wars came out. He had very specific toys drawn by Smallwood that put a very current era marker on him. Elias is shown as being a young man, isn't depicted as being a Rabbi, and there is no mention of where the family comes from, and no mention of him being a first generation immigrant.

I can't name them, but I have heard murmurings that other characters are getting the same treatment. Other characters from the Holocaust are getting subtle and sneaky time jumps.

I don't believe it was done as a malicious intent on Lemire's part. I think he was trying to tell a story (something I will eventually give a whole new post at a later date) and didn't want it to be dated. There is actually an argument I could make that Lemire's run is NOT cannon.

Honestly, It didn't help that BEMIS came in afterwards and bitch-slapped the timeline and it was made cannon. That is where the big problem settled.

Can you slide Elias further and further away from the Holocaust and still have the same issue? Can you start talking about Marc's grandfather as being in the Holocaust? Does it matter when the family came over? (Spoilers: I think it does. It very much does.)

But how do you deal with a character that is over 80 years old and still have them be a young and relevant character?

This has become a VERY Uniquely Marvel problem.

DC has masterfully worked out their own time issues. And I will admit that I have fallen away from DC so I can't speak on it in full, and that DC has it's own WRECK of issues involving their own time lines... But when they dealt with modern era vs. real life events they basically just said "Yeah it happened 80 years ago. Who gives a fuck?" Batman happens in black and white gothic grunge era and Superman happens in the future! Doesn't stop them from still teaming up.

So what do you think? Is there a solution to the advancement of time? Does it matter? Do you as a reader care if they talk about something that happened ten years ago as a modern problem?

Did any of this make sense or am I once more yelling about comics to an empty room? (I'd do it anyways).

#I am the wall—>#yelling at the wall here #don’t worry op #marvel #marvel comics

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