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Birth Of The Black Templar

by David Ok

The moment of Sigismund turning into the first Black Templar

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I should reread that one and pay more attention them!

Yeah, Shiban is doing so bad mentally in Path of Heaven, while Torghun seems to have finally found a sense of belonging. Like he felt that exile was deserved and the right place for him.

If you haven't read the short story Restorer I highly recommend it! I was reading half of it through tears.

The 30k WS novels do have many excellent characters and ships. I especially love how Chris Wraight sort of linked the storyline of the characters and "complets" them in a way that is quite beautiful.

Shiban and Torghun's story continued from Brotherhood of the Storm all the way to Warhawk. The weight, the revalation that deep down they think and care about each other is just beautiful. So beautiful, my two prince of the steppe, why couldn't you two live a happy life ughhhh.

And also Hasik and Giyahun, this is interesting, Hasik was severely impacted by Giyahun's death and was taken advantage of by Rheor, a SoH commander at the times. I think he sort of sees Giyahun on Shiban, and become quite upset when Torghun didn't succeed.

So many details to dig and I didn't cover all of them on this post……I love Chris Wraight.

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Torghun and Shiban, my OTP. The tragedy that they could have worked it out if they had more time. They kept coming to realizations too late to fix them. Torghun realized that he was wrong. Shiban forgiving him, both too late. I cried. And that Shiban never really let go of that relationship, Torghun was still important to him.

I remember Hasik, but not Giyahun, in what books do they show up?

The 30k WS novels do have many excellent characters and ships. I especially love how Chris Wraight sort of linked the storyline of the characters and "complets" them in a way that is quite beautiful.

Shiban and Torghun's story continued from Brotherhood of the Storm all the way to Warhawk. The weight, the revalation that deep down they think and care about each other is just beautiful. So beautiful, my two prince of the steppe, why couldn't you two live a happy life ughhhh.

And also Hasik and Giyahun, this is interesting, Hasik was severely impacted by Giyahun's death and was taken advantage of by Rheor, a SoH commander at the times. I think he sort of sees Giyahun on Shiban, and become quite upset when Torghun didn't succeed.

So many details to dig and I didn't cover all of them on this post……I love Chris Wraight.

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I wrote a short fic about Torghun and Shiban from Scars!

https://archiveofourown.org/works/54226795

When I encountered these two the first time I thought "I bet fanfic authors are going to love this!" And when I searched for them on AO3 I found zero (0) fics. True rarepair. Now there are five! An increase of infinite percent! Three of which @i-cant-believe-it-s-not-grimdark gifted to me, and one which is by me! This one.

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How do you make people fall in love with you

challenge them to a duel 

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I was called by @legiopraesagio and so I must answer

Last Song Listened To: Seven Pillars of Wisdom, by Sabaton

I think I only have a few more listens before it will have Repeated Too Much, as it goes.

Currently Reading: "Godblight", by Guy Haley. Getting into some current-time 40k after all the Horus Heresy.

I am currently not watching anything. I generally watch things when I am sick and too tired for anything else. I shall fill this space with videogames instead. A friend and I set up the rather ambitious project of playing through all Dark Souls started with Dark Souls remastered. But I should be playing Baldur's Gate 3. I know, I know! I should be playing Baldur's Gate.

Currently Obsessed With: It's still Warhammer. Not as intensely as when I got into it three years ago, but that might be healthy x) Nothing else has managed to take its place in my heart during this time though.

Tagging @drunkcodicier, @i-cant-believe-it-s-not-grimdark and @gracia-regina. No pressure, I just want you to know I remember you ♡

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“I am horus and these are my best sons and I love them”

Silly doodle because I had some pre heresy feels. Also idk if Tarik has an official look but fandom seems to like him with brown hair so I went with that

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This is why they like to clasp forearms in the manner of warriors

Astartes mood. Imagine getting those tiny little arms around some gravis battleplate😂

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Anyone else fascinated by the bizarre ass dynamic between sensitive, artistic Blood Angel Dominion Zephon and the crotchety super genius Arkhan Land?

Zephon self-exiled to Terra after losing both his arms below the elbow and sustaining mutilations to his legs in battle. The augmetics just would take. He could walk, but he his arms and hands were too twitchy to hold weapons or play an instrument. He gets dragged into the war in the Webway and Land jury rigs his arm so he can at least fire a bolt pistol.

Later, Land digs up some totally not forbidden tech and fixes Zephon’s limbs for real this time.

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Short answer: yes!

Land's thoughts and behavior towards Zephon is always at odds with the effort he ends up putting into helping him. And Zephon is very patient with it. It's a dynamic goes between being really funny to sometimes quite sad.

While on the subject of these two already, you could dig up the quote where Land remarks that Zephon is beautiful, and before Zephon has finished saying "thanks, Sanguinius' gene-seed does that" Land immediately protests that he did NOT mean that in a flirtatious way and is far too smart and important to have feelings for people!

In front of a space marine who would not have made any of those assumptions in the first place and probably has no idea what Land is even talking about.

I thought that scene was hilarious.

Anyone else fascinated by the bizarre ass dynamic between sensitive, artistic Blood Angel Dominion Zephon and the crotchety super genius Arkhan Land?

Zephon self-exiled to Terra after losing both his arms below the elbow and sustaining mutilations to his legs in battle. The augmetics just would take. He could walk, but he his arms and hands were too twitchy to hold weapons or play an instrument. He gets dragged into the war in the Webway and Land jury rigs his arm so he can at least fire a bolt pistol.

Later, Land digs up some totally not forbidden tech and fixes Zephon’s limbs for real this time.

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Guilliman, screaming like the Cyclops in Disney's Hercules: "MORTARION! COME OUT! FACE ME!"

Sicarius: "Dad, you're being embarrassing. Lets just go home -_-"

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They're all so good though! I have to admit I am partial to the rightmost one looking haughty and dignified, but jumpy-legs and extra-eyes are great also. Those are some good mutations!

More free for all Marine Meat Monday-OCs!

Grab your free Chaos Space Marine! Only slightly mutated, if at all!

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Sanguinius shows off one of his sons' artworks. Just look at how far he's come!

I made the mural and the drawing for fic-in-a-box, so if you want to see the full versions of both of them, read Sanguinius' comments on the works and get an explanation for why his appearance is inconsistent, check it out here:

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The besties, yay! (They are besties in my head) (do NOT tag as a ship)

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This is a great take! I personally tend to think of astartes as both asexual and aromantic, as in all the books I have read they have showed no interest in sex and not in what we think of as regular romantic relationships either. BUT that comes from someone who is somewhat aromantic herself and types of relationships that are markedly different from the classic romance but still are undeniably love is the most fascinating thing to me! And honestly, I think that is just a matter of semantics and how we define "romantic" anyway (another extremely fascinating topic that I will leave alone for now).

In addition to the squad-dynamic you mentioned, there are also examples of astartes being clearly pair-bonded!

In Pharos, it is apparently so widely know that Alexis Polux and Barabas Danteoch have a special relationship that the Night Lords could find this out from civilians in a nearby town.

Nathaniel Garro and Saul Tarvitz have marked eachothers vambraces in a way that reads like a combination of a friendship-bracelet and carving your initials into a tree.

There is Hathor Maat and Phosis T'kar of the Thousand Sons who always argue but are never apart. There is Leodrakk of the Salamanders and his intense grief over Skatar'var. Numeon was almost jealous of their bond.

And there is my favourite: whatever was going on between Torghun and Shiban of the White Scars. In a way I think they are the most romantically coded space marines I've come across. How, even after it is all broken, they just can't let go of that one relationship.

And as you say, they don't seem to have any use for monogamy at all. The only kind jealousy I've seen mentioned has been "I wish I had a relationship like that". It is never "but you're supposed to be mine!" Makes sense for people made to work in squads.

(I can also ignore my opinions on canon in favour of fun shipping and porn though. I think of most of my shipping happening something like a separate AU where astartes and primarchs are sexual beings)

Do you consider an Astartes/Astartes relationship to fit within canon lore? Of course without Slaaneshi corruption that is. Everyone goes on about how Space Marines are indoctrinated and modified to not want such things, even if their interactions are incredibly shippable. Just wanted to know your take!

In my opinion, it always depends on the definition of a relationship.

Astartes are no longer fully human, especially in their emotions. They get extra glands that produce extra hormones, have a number of interesting enzymes at their disposal that would kill a normal human being and, finally, have gone through an extremely inhumane child-soldier indoctrination. That stuff does things to people!

That's why I believe that a "normal" (in the sense of "100% like other people") relationship is no longer possible with them.

But something of their own, born out of their physiology and psychology? Absolutely!

Because the Emperor is not stupid and has the experience of millennia, which he certainly won't just leave out when he's assembling super soldiers again. He knows that a bond of love and friendship makes a squad incredibly effective. He has seen this in Sparta, in the Roman legion or with the Knights of the religious Orders. Small units that are not only built on function, but are emotionally connected, achieve much more! The whole is actually greater than the sum of the parts.

That's why I believe that Astartes tend towards squad-sized, tight-knit asexual-polyamorous constellations. Ideally, they love their squadmates unconditionally and do everything for each other. This can also lead to problems, as even super-soldiers still have a human foundation - but in general it's all very romantically orientated.

With variations depending on the legion/gene-seed, of course. In the case of Emperor's Children, even this bond manifests itself with a lot of competitive behaviour, while Ultramarines together compensate for their fear of not always having everything under control, sometimes turning into aggression and needing very clear hierarchies to feel comfortable.

As a result, Astartes find it difficult to operate individually for prolonged amounts of time - as you can see with He'Stan or Narek, for example. This quickly leads to depression.

But these are all just observations on my part - please take them with a grain of salt!

And it doesn't stop me from believing in romantic relationships (Lucius and Saul!) because I like drama.

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Well, here you go - both Sanguinius-versions for Christmas-Primarch.

Freshly unwrapped present.

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The Great Angel.

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