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You know I really wish the anime didn't take this part out.

Sasuke laughing at Suigetsu's comment is just fucking gold, no matter how small of a moment it is.

It's just one of those little moments that makes you love the guy even more than you already do.

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Seriously, Roku's failure to properly deal with Sozin ended up causing a mass genocide, which threw the world out of balance, some of the worst acts of violence and destruction the world had ever seen for a century, and the loss of the dragons (which was conducted by Sozin to keep the nobility on his side) caused harm to the environment and drove the spirits nuts.

Again this went on for a century and yet somehow Korra's worse than Roku. Bitch bye

I can't believe people think Korra's the worst Avatar when Roku exists

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Happy Father's Day to Fugaku Uchiha, Tonraq (Avatar Korra's father), and Tenzin

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The Senju weren't wiped out, the whole point of Hashirama and Tobirama's Will of Fire nonsense was to erase the idea of clans. The Senju clan married off into other clans, not because they were wiped out. It's why Hashirama and Tobirama are the ONLY ones with the Senju name, and Tsunade and Nawaki aren't Senju or Uzumaki.

As a matter of fact, it's implied Hashirama had another wife, as again he and Tobirama are the ONLY ones with the Senju name, while their grandchildren don't. Mito isn't listed as Tsunade or Nawaki's grandmother in canon or the databooks, hell her Databook entries only list Kushina as a sort of adopted daughter. Canon doesn't even mention or list Tsunade and Nawaki as having met her, and in the databooks, Hashirama's listed as Tsunade's grandparent. Additionally, as I've said, Tsunade and Nawaki lack any traits associated with the Uzumaki or Hashirama himself. Whomever Hashirama's son was, he was married off to a civilian and thus ended his line then and there, as in East Asia, the son, specifically the eldest son, carries on the family line and if there are none, then the son-in-law is the one who inherits everything. So Tsunade and Nawaki like Asura got no ends of the stick.

Frankly, I'm glad we don't have anything more on the Senju, they're as dull, irrelevant, and repulsive like their progenitor Asura.

Hashirama's father punches his son, calls him a brat while about to beat the life out of him for calling him a bad dad for using his kids as murder weapons

Meanwhile, Madara's father asks for his opinion on a possible 3v3, but when Madara says otherwise, he's like "Wow, not bad, alright let's go home".

Tobirama invents a jutsu that requires human sacrifices, a fascist regime that others copied, and creates an event wherein kids butcher each other for a step up in rank in front of a bunch of rich assholes, on top of saying blatantly racist shit, specifically to the child of said race whom he helped genocide. While Hashirama enabled and endorsed all of this, doing NOTHING about it, enforced it, and turned one of his wives into a fucking nuke for said regime.

The Uchiha clan meanwhile, cares deeply for and looks out for their own since the beginning. Madara lost all of his brothers, most of whom before they were 12, and the last one he loved dearly, but he still tried making peace with those who killed them, but when he learned that they were up to no good he still tried to look out for his people. Fugaku spent decades fighting for his families and clans survival, despite all of the pressure he faced, even entrusting his and his clans legacy to his youngest son. Sasuke was an obedient, duty-bound, clan-orientated child, who kept to himself, studied hard, did what he was supposed to do, never caused trouble, wanted or demanded special attention, he, during his time in Cell 7, looked out for his teammates as best he could even risking his hide for them (even though they both absolutely didn't deserve it), he went out of his way to avoid collateral damage in his endeavors, even freeing Orochimaru's prisoners without any ulterior motives, he was among the few people who saw the flaws in the fascist shinobi system and sought to do away with it.

But somehow, the Uchiha clan is "evil" while the Senju are the quote on quote "good guys". Bitch please

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Alright, I've touched on this topic in my Uchiha clan chakra post but I feel that is worth tackling here. Naruto's chakra reserves are the result of Kurama and him alone, in no way was it the result of his so-called Uzumaki clan lineage.

Firstly we have Kakashi stating this

Next we've got Orochimaru, revealing it, in addition Orochimaru, as can be seen in the following panels, also tampers with the seal, preventing Naruto from creating mass shadow clones as he always did, and it took Jiraya to fix the issue.

Speaking of which we have Jiraya revealing it

The Frog Sage confirmed it to

Additionally, Kurama, Hachibi, and Naruto himself also state it too,

This shit has been repeated so many fucking times in the manga that it's ridiculous. Naruto stopped having natural reserves of chakra around 30 minutes after he was born, his reserves come from Kurama's chakra intermingling with his own since birth.

The Uzumaki clan doesn't have large reserves of chakra nor potent chakra as is a peculiar chakra that turns their hair a certain shade of red (the exact shade is never confirmed) and this grants them heightened vitality and resilience, this is explicity stated by Kabuto who incorporated Karin's bloodline into his system, and there's absolutely no reason for him to lie here as not only does it not contradict what the Sage stated above, but also because Kabuto had just explained how he incorporated the bloodlines and kekkei genkai of Suigetsu, Jugo, Kimimaro, the Sound 4, and Orochimaru, and he dropped more information both Orochimaru's experiments with the Curse Marks and Jugo's own clan, so him revealing these facts on the Uzumaki clan are the truth.

This is later confirmed by Tobirama as well, who being a sensory type ninja was able to confirm that Karin was an Uzumaki just by sensing her chakra. He said none of this about Naruto though

Hell prior to all of this Obito himself had dropped a bomb when he collected the rinnegan from Nagato's corpse

Oh and by the way Tsunade isn't a Senju or Uzumaki either, however, here I'm going to quote Dushman-e-jaan again:

Tsunade has large chakra-reserves because she's Senju.

False again. She's not even half-Senju as we don't know who her parents were, and Senju, as I stated, were never known for their reserves but for their jutsu-variety. It's stated in the manga and DB that she uses her Yin Seal as a substitute for her pitiful reserves. Why? She can't compete with Hashirama's healing, because it was backed by such a vast chakra. Byakugou is kinda rubbish, too, as it eats up her lifespan in exchange for healing, which is a problem Hashirama never faced; and neither she nor Sakura ever managed to improve that massive flaw even an inch; so that speaks volumes about their "talent" (sorry, but I have to take the dig here, given that this fandom constantly props up Sakura as the better prodigy compared to Sasuke, someone who only knows 4 jutsus, never improved, invented, or reinvented a single jutsu in her entire career; it's basically done to tear Sasuke down when she's done squat to show for this outlandish claim). The Yin Seal works like a storage: it uses her chakra, but she can't fill it up on the spot. It takes time, days, to be precise, for it to fill up; and its initial filling took Sakura three fucking years! I mean, Karin had enough chakra to replenish Tsunade's seal completely, and she ain't no chakra demon, for fuck's sake. And no, Sakura's chakra wasn't instrumental in opening portals. Obito's senjutsu was. His senjutu chakra was so large that, even after he'd kicked the bucket and was a pile of ash, he granted Kakashi double MS and PS long enough to win the battle against Kaguya; and before that, he literally copied Kaguya's abilities and skipped dimensions. Give me a break! If Sakura's and Tsunade's chakra was so large, they'd have been able to summon a full animal; because, even with combined powers, Yin Seal released and Byakugou active, they could only summon 10% of Katsuya, a problem her teammates never had. Can stop spreading this bullshit already? Thank you.

Learning Byakugou and Healing was harder for Sakura compared to Tsunade as the latter is half-Senju and half-Uzumaki.

I already debunked the chakra thing way back up, so you can reread that; however, this claim still makes no sense as Byakugou has nothing to do with the user being a Senju and/or an Uzumaki: it simply works by taking chakra from the seal and accelerating the body's healing, which shortens the lifespan, which is why Tsunade looks way too old for her age. The seal is there because Tsunade's reserves are extremely poor compared to Hashirama's; if they weren't, she wouldn't require the seal. Her healing is literally a poor-man's knock-off version of his, and it's confirmed in the manga and the DB. Madara mocked her for that, remember? She accepted that! What does this ability have anything to do with large reserves when the only reason Tsunade even uses the seal is that her reserves are so poor? You guys just make up anything to make Sakura seem special, huh?

Tsunade is a Senju and an Uzumaki, and she's got massive reserves as a result of this lineage!

Already debunked that chakra argument in the previous post, so to cover the other one: no?! Tsunade's never listed as either. In fact, the whole point of Hashirama and Tobirama's "Will of Fire" advertisement was to assimilate into the village and eliminate the idea of clans (Tobirama stated that before Sasuke). So they married into other clans, and that's how the Senju Clan ceased to exist. Not because they were wiped out of existence in the aftermath of warfare. This is debunked by Tobirama himself. The shit you people make up to generate sympathy for this clan (in a bid to make them stand shoulder to shoulder with the Uchiha Clan's tragedy's and dull its impact and call them lunatics in the process) is insane to me. Straight up manufactured fan-fictions. 

It's also implied that Hashirama took a second wife, other than Mito, as Mito's never listed as Tsunade's grand-mother. In fact,a she's never listed as having any children or grand children. Mito's own data-book 4's entry states nothing about Tsunade, just Kushina whom she treated as an adopted daughter of sorts. In fact, it's never even stated in the manga that Tsunade even met her; and the data-book 4 only lists Hashirama, again, as her grand-parent, not Mito. Even if he didn't take another wife, highly unlikely as all evidence points to the fact that he did, then whoever his child was, he was married off to a civilian, ending Hashirama's line there and then, which is why no one else save Hashirama and Tobirama was ever referred to as Senju afterwards. (Tsunade also lacks all the genetic traits associated with Uzumakis and Hashirama; she was mocked by Madara precisely for being completely abysmal compared to Hashirama on every level; so like Ashura, her parent, canonically, didn't inherit any genetic trait from Hashirama; and Tsunade, as a result, got the shortest end of the stick, as well; or probably no stick or end, which is why her seal solely exists to compensate for her rubbish chakra reserves and subpar healing in comparison to Hashirama's.) Why? In Japan, like most East Asian societies, the son carries on the line, not the daughter. In fact, if there's no son, all the property and business are transferred to the son-in-law rather than the daughter; and if there are several sons, then the inheritance goes entirely to the first born and the rest usually get squat. (Sure, some rare exceptions outs of the millions through-out history do exist, but they're out of the norm and usually frowned upon.)

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Yep, and let's not forget that this asshole let a clan of slavers into the village and let them do their own thing in the village without any of the same limitations, restrictions, surveillance, or rest of what he subjected the Uchiha to.

Yet people still want to claim that he was a good man, never mind the fact that he also acknowledged the fact that Hiruzen and Danzo were always fighting each other and yet he still made them Konoha's torchbearers.

Hashirama's father punches his son, calls him a brat while about to beat the life out of him for calling him a bad dad for using his kids as murder weapons

Meanwhile, Madara's father asks for his opinion on a possible 3v3, but when Madara says otherwise, he's like "Wow, not bad, alright let's go home".

Tobirama invents a jutsu that requires human sacrifices, a fascist regime that others copied, and creates an event wherein kids butcher each other for a step up in rank in front of a bunch of rich assholes, on top of saying blatantly racist shit, specifically to the child of said race whom he helped genocide. While Hashirama enabled and endorsed all of this, doing NOTHING about it, enforced it, and turned one of his wives into a fucking nuke for said regime.

The Uchiha clan meanwhile, cares deeply for and looks out for their own since the beginning. Madara lost all of his brothers, most of whom before they were 12, and the last one he loved dearly, but he still tried making peace with those who killed them, but when he learned that they were up to no good he still tried to look out for his people. Fugaku spent decades fighting for his families and clans survival, despite all of the pressure he faced, even entrusting his and his clans legacy to his youngest son. Sasuke was an obedient, duty-bound, clan-orientated child, who kept to himself, studied hard, did what he was supposed to do, never caused trouble, wanted or demanded special attention, he, during his time in Cell 7, looked out for his teammates as best he could even risking his hide for them (even though they both absolutely didn't deserve it), he went out of his way to avoid collateral damage in his endeavors, even freeing Orochimaru's prisoners without any ulterior motives, he was among the few people who saw the flaws in the fascist shinobi system and sought to do away with it.

But somehow, the Uchiha clan is "evil" while the Senju are the quote on quote "good guys". Bitch please

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Hashirama's father punches his son, calls him a brat while about to beat the life out of him for calling him a bad dad for using his kids as murder weapons

Meanwhile, Madara's father asks for his opinion on a possible 3v3, but when Madara says otherwise, he's like "Wow, not bad, alright let's go home".

Tobirama invents a jutsu that requires human sacrifices, a fascist regime that others copied, and creates an event wherein kids butcher each other for a step up in rank in front of a bunch of rich assholes, on top of saying blatantly racist shit, specifically to the child of said race whom he helped genocide. While Hashirama enabled and endorsed all of this, doing NOTHING about it, enforced it, and turned one of his wives into a fucking nuke for said regime.

The Uchiha clan meanwhile, cares deeply for and looks out for their own since the beginning. Madara lost all of his brothers, most of whom before they were 12, and the last one he loved dearly, but he still tried making peace with those who killed them, but when he learned that they were up to no good he still tried to look out for his people. Fugaku spent decades fighting for his families and clans survival, despite all of the pressure he faced, even entrusting his and his clans legacy to his youngest son. Sasuke was an obedient, duty-bound, clan-orientated child, who kept to himself, studied hard, did what he was supposed to do, never caused trouble, wanted or demanded special attention, he, during his time in Cell 7, looked out for his teammates as best he could even risking his hide for them (even though they both absolutely didn't deserve it), he went out of his way to avoid collateral damage in his endeavors, even freeing Orochimaru's prisoners without any ulterior motives, he was among the few people who saw the flaws in the fascist shinobi system and sought to do away with it.

But somehow, the Uchiha clan is "evil" while the Senju are the quote on quote "good guys". Bitch please

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To all the Skyrim fans, you know

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Thank you to everyone who got me to 1000 likes!

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My top 3 favorite characters in Transformers Prime

Soundwave, Megatron's True second-in-command and fellow gladiator of Kaon, a former member of the Cybertronian High Council and one of Megatron's most loyal followers, the ONLY other bot besides Optimus, the Megatron gives a shit about and the only he trusts completely.

Next, we have Dreadwing, twin brother of fellow Decepticon Skyquake, a captain of a Seeker armada during the War for Cybertron, and just hands down one of the most honorable of the Cons. The dude's word was bond, but that didn't stop him from being a pragmatic fighter, he was constantly placing bombs everywhere, but even without that shit the guy was skilled with his guns, a badass swordsman, and he was very skilled in martial arts, as evidenced by his fights with Optimus and Bulkhead, speaking of Optimus, Dreadwing is one of the few bots in the series to be able to go toe-to-toe with Optimus and live.

Also, he had a really cool voice, RIP Tony Todd, you will be missed.

Lastly, we have Predaking, this guy was just the definition of badass for me and he quickly became one of my favorite characters. The guy transforms into a giant flying, fire-breathing dragon, with the mandibles of the Yautja (the Predators). According to the novels of the Aligned Continuity, of which Transformers Prime is a part of, the Predaking we got in the show is the clone of the actual Predaking who existed in Cybertron's ancient past. Predaking was one of the strongest cybertronian's to have ever lived, he was king of the Predacons, having bested them all in combat, and he was a menace to the humanoid Cybertronians of the time (the Cybertronians we're more familiar with) such that Prima, the first Prime had to beat him. The Predaking we get in the show is still an absolute powerhouse, single-handedly taking out Wheeljack and Ultra Magnus in a 2v1, nearly killing them until Optimus intervened, and an upgraded Optimus Prime in a 1v1, the only reason Optimus survived was because Megatron had Predaking assist Shockwave right when he was about to deliver the finishing blow. Megatron needed a cheap shot from Starscream just to toss him out of the airlock. Predaking's one true, uncontested loss in the series is in Predacon's Rising, against Unicron who's Cybertron's god of evil. Other than that this dude was just a fucking beast, literally and figuratively. Oh yeah and he genuinely cares about his fellow Predacons too.

All 3 of these guys are absolutely badass in every way for me.

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Two characters I could never hate regardless of what the fandoms says about them.

Korra and Sasuke are the best characters in their series, both much better than the more dumbass feel-good characters that are Aang and Naruto whom the fandoms love to prop up and worship as if they deserve the world.

Nah, I'm team Sasuke Uchiha and Avatar Korra all the way

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Sasuke was right

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Okay I don't give a fuck or shit about how old you are or what have you, but there's absolutely no fucking excuse for Naruto, Sakura, and Hinata's behaviors in these panels

Seriously, Hinata's rubbing in Neji's slave status in his face, Naruto's disrespecting a genocided clan after Sasuke lost to Lee and Lee himself nearly killed him too, and Sakura's telling the survivor of said genocide to drop he goals so they can have fun. Do you people not see how messed up this shit is? This shit is messed up even for a bunch of 12 year olds and the added context within the series makes this worse.

Also don't give me that whole Naruto's an orphan crap, because Sasuke, Neji, as well as Kabuto and the Ame Trio were all not only orphans but way worse off than Naruto by a ridiculous margin, something I plan on making a post about later, but none of them acted like this, and Neji had the added fact of being a slave with a mark branded onto his forehead that could torture and kill him anytime the Main Family wanted, and Sasuke was fucking tortured and made to live in the same compound where his clan was killed, and yet neither of them acted like this.

Seriously, the excuse that Naruto, Sakura, and Hinata are just 12 is just fucking stupid and wrong on so many levels, no 12-year old should ever be saying shit like that, they're fucking old enough to know better. Naruto's ugly mug has absolutely NO excuse to say this, and both Sakura and Hinata's behinds have fucking parents so they especially shouldn't be left off the hook.

But of course, Sasuke and Neji are a pair of meanies to Naruto, Sakura, and Hinata, while those three are all sweet little angels who deserve the whole world and all that bullshit, yadda yadda. Bitch please, miss me with that bullshit.

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The idea that Fugaku is some abusive asshole, a monster, dick, or whatever is just fucking stupid and ridiculous.

People give him shit for taking Itachi to a battlefield, and enrolling him into Anbu later on, however, they conveniently ignore that this shit is nothing out of the ordinary in the Naruto world. In fact countless fathers in the series have done this for gods knows how long; Sakumo, the Sanin's parents, Hiruzen, Minato's father, the 3rd Raikage, just to name a few, all of them did this, hell Kakashi and the Sanin were even younger than Itachi when their parents sent them off into the academy, war, and Anbu in Kakashi's case, they saw and actually participated in the carnages of war much sooner than Itachi did who was introduced much later. As a matter of fact you lot forget that shinobi are seen as legal adults by the system when they attain the Genin rank, and Chunins are legally required to be part of the state's warfare, all of which has been stated multiple times in the manga. 

What Fugaku did in showing Itachi the aftermath of a battlefield was honestly the tamest way to introduce his son into the life of a shinobi, and him pushing him into Anbu was both no different than what Sakumo did but the added purpose of having Itachi put in the work to help their clan, something I'll touch on in a little bit.

At no point did he show favoritism to Itachi, he focused on him yes but that's got jackshit to do with favoritism, in fact Mikoto briefly mentioned or hinted this to Sasuke as well but basically Itachi is the first-born, he was supposed to be next in-line, meant to lead the clan after Fugaku either stepped down or died, he was supposed to be the clan's future. 

Now before I continue with Itachi and Sasuke here’s something a lot of you keep fucking forgeting, Fugaku wasn’t just a father, he was the head of the Uchiha clan, his clan, since the villages inception had been shoved to the outskirts of the village (something that had been finished by the time Sasuke was born), they were denied any say in Konoha’s politics, they had ZERO power and sway within the village, and they were spied on, and again this had been going on since the villages inception, with the clan being falsely framed for the 9-tails attack being the final straw for them. The Uchiha clan was in an EXTREMELY precarious position within Konoha and as a result this man had a LOT on his plate, more than most fucking people can manage in their lives as is, this man had to manage the increasing tensions between his clan and Konoha, plan out the coup, and raise his sithspawn of an older son to one-day succeed him and safeguard their clan’s future, and this is also on top of his regular everyday duties as chieftain. Do you people have ANY fucking idea how stressful any of this shit is? I’m serious, dead fucking serious with this question, like do you know how stressful this is for anyone? Most people struggle with getting ordinary work or homework done, but Fugaku was dealing with the type of shit most of us can’t even fucking fathom. He had too fucking much on his mind as is, and he had to make due with the shitty hand he had been dealt. It wasn’t perfect nor fair but frankly life isn’t fair either, but Fugaku still chose to make due with what he had. 

Now back to Itachi and Sasuke, as I said Itachi was meant to be the clans future and as Fugaku’s first-born son, I've said this before but I will say it again but in traditional East Asian societies, like Japan, it’s the eldest son that carries on the family line and as such focusing on him both culturally/societally is normal both in and out of universe, it was also a necessity as the shinobi system expects a lot from them, the Uchiha more than any other clan was in no position to refuse given their situation, and again what Fugaku did wasn’t out of the ordinary for the head of a prestigious clan. The shinobi system is built around the competition of members of different clans so Fugaku having Itachi put in the work is again not out of the ordinary, especially given the fact that this same system expects a lot from them both. Sasuke, meanwhile, was the youngest child, he was far too young to be focused on or expected to be entrusted with the legacy of the Uchiha given the clan’s perilous position within Konoha. I hate that I have to repeat this or point this out, but unfortunately literacy seems to be an extremely dying, decaying thing, especially within the rotten corpse that is the Naruto fandom, so I’ll say it anyways, Sasuke was born mere days before Obito’s attack at the start of the series, which was when the discriminatory and exclusionary policies Tobirama had implemented against the Uchiha, during his tenure as Hokage, were entering their final stages, making shit worse for the Uchiha clan. By the end of the attack, the Uchiha clan had been successfully pushed to the outskirts of the village (population movement is a war crime as it’s one of the precursors to genocide), the Uchiha police force, which was always a sham, was being more irrelevant than it initially was, the Anbu were spying on the clan more and more, Hiruzen and the council were both pushing and enabling all of this. The Uchiha clan had known about all of this since Tobirama became hokage, as Madara forewarned them, and now shit was getting worse for them, the clan was voicing its concerns to Fugaku and he chose to put the survival of his clan above everything else, and again this put a lot of stress on him. 

And as I said in a very recent post, the eldest son is supposed to carry the fathers legacy, and as such raising him was paramount, this is especially so for warrior families and clans, both real and imaginary, especially in the dire situation the Uchiha clan found themselves in at the time. As such Fugaku is left with entrusting the clans future to Itachi, and initially it’s a good decision, as Sasuke’s way too young, Itachi’s both the eldest son and supposedly a prodigy (he’s really not, not by any stretch of the imagination, I might actually make a post on why Sasuke’s the prodigy in the family and not Itachi, but that’ll have to wait for another time, but seriously the idea that Itachi’s a prodigy is a fucking joke, Sasuke literally reinvented the Sage’s best jutsu’s at the age of 17, a mere child), it’s the right call. Fugaku trains Itachi personally, goes on missions with him, while also providing him with an instructor as well. He’s doing nothing out of the ordinary, and the clan’s future seems to be in good hands.

Now most people consider Fugaku to have been emotionally abusive or neglectful, that he was an asshole to Sasuke, however, NONE of this bullshit is true, not in the slightest. As I just said above, Fugaku didn’t think Sasuke was up to the mark of leading the clan, especially in the perilous position they're in. Now, I could be wrong here, but from my limited understanding, in the East, younger siblings are expected and instructed to emulate their older siblings, as the latter are supposed to role models for the former in how to act and behave, and the paths they're supposed to take, so Fugaku telling Sasuke to emulate Itachi wasn't wrong or bad in anyway.

Additionally, people need to fucking realize that Fugaku never once said or did anything that could even be qualified as abusive or neglectful. He never verbally degraded his children, he never manipulated, gaslit, hit them, he had no threats, intimidation, intentional psychological harm, no physical harm, no nothing. He never said or did anything that could ever qualify for this shit. Sasuke feeling like he's living in Itachi's shadow and wanting his father's acknowledgement and validation isn't a sign abuse or anything, it's a small, impressionable child.

A child that up-until the age 16 was completely in the dark about a lot of his clan, from the sharingan being more common than he thought, clan politics and certain customs, to, especially, the crisis the clan found itself in at the time. Sasuke also naturally looked up to his father, brother, while also loving his clan very dearly. All of this is natural and understandable, it doesn't make Fugaku or Sasuke wrong, one was completely as what was going on and the other was forced to make due with the shitty hand he had been dealt. Had the massacre not happened all of this would've been cleared up for both father and son.

This post of mine isn't perfect and I will comeback and edit later in the future, this was something I had to get off my chest. Fugaku wasn't perfect, but nobody and nothing is, however, he was a much better man/parent than this fandom gives him credit for. I really do feel like this man gets so much flack from people who don't look at things from a cultural perspective of East Asia, warrior families/clans, or the circumstances in which he found himself in. Fugaku definitely deserves better than his sithspawn of a firstborn son or this fandom throws his way.

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I would love to read your take of Indra. Do you think Hagoromo was scared of him (saw too much of Kaguya in him, maybe) and that's why Indra went down that path? You know, get treated like a monster and you eventually become one?

That's a really good question and honestly, I think he did fear him but I also feel there's some nuance here that'll be hard to articulate but it's not in Hagoromo’s favor.

Okay, like I said I definitely agree that Hagoromo feared his eldest son, as he inherited his chakra gene and potency, as well as the Sharingan, which his mother all possessed, and Hagoromo did fear his mother with every fiber of his being. It's like when the his differences between his sons became apparent and as they grew and matured he essentially projected his own fears of Kaguya onto his eldest son, who did nothing wrong, that's set in stone. However, think there's a bit more here as to why Indra turned on his father, firstly as a minor aside Black Zetsu admitted that Indra was the first one to be manipulated, however, while the anime shows him directly speaking to him, in the manga he did this through the tablet Hagoromo left for Indra and his line. But in the grand-scheme of things Hagoromo himself is ultimately the one who screwed Indra over, with Zetsu's scheme's just solidifying everything.

Okay let me address the main reason why Indra turned on his father, Hagoromo passed over him and made Asura, the younger son, heir, all because he thought Asura believed in love and Indra, he thought didn't. Despite Indra, being the eldest and the most capable son, Hagoromo still saw it fit to choose the duller, less capable, younger son to inherit his legacy, while also relegating his older son to assisting him, and hoping said older son would accept that shit, and this understandably was the main reason why Indra lost his shit, well this and Hagoromo leaving him and his lineage with a rock with shitty writing on it, but you get the point. Now in East Asian societies, it's the son, specifically the eldest son, that carries on the family line, and when it comes to inheritance, the eldest son traditionally gets everything, down to the last penny while the rest usually get jackshit in return. The eldest son carries on the fathers legacy. Look at Madara and Hashirama, both of them were chosen by their fathers to be their heirs, instead of Izuna and Tobirama, because they were the eldest in their families, Itachi was initially chosen to be Fugaku's heir because he was the eldest child (Mikoto says as much to Sasuke in their conversation after Sasuke was made heir), however, when he proved to not have the clans best interests at heart Fugaku chose Sasuke, his younger son, to be heir, which is a very big deal. Now of course there are some exceptions here and there, but they're exceedingly rare, the Sasuke example could qualify as such. Also East Asian society centers on honor and shame.

When you take these into consideration, it's completely understandable why Indra would turn on his father, as he was supposed to be the one to inherit his fathers legacy, by birthright, by the standards, customs, and traditions, of their society, and because he was talented enough to earn it. Remember Indra inherited his fathers genetic powers was a genius, while Asura meanwhile was had everything handed to him on a silver platter. Indra by right was worthy of carrying his father's legacy

Better yet, it's not only understandable from Indra's perspective or Japan either, it's understandable on a human level, any firstborn in Indra's position would feel just as insulted, human history is loaded with these types of clashes, and they go on even today across all cultures and societies throughout the world.

Again, Hagoromo definitely feared Indra for possessing his genetic powers, which reminded him of his mother, but that fear alone didn't turn Indra away from him, it was the shame and dishonor he brought on him by choosing Asura over him and leaving him the stone tablet, while expecting to take that shit lying down is what fully drove Indra away. It was all this bullshit that caused Indra to rightfully lash out at his father and brother, and try to regain what was denied to him by force. Also I wouldn't even call Indra's path a dark one, nor would I consider him a monster, SP tries to make him out to be one despite Canon saying otherwise, but SP has always been full of shit so no surprise there, but I will his behavior is understandable and again rightful, as Hagoromo's shortsightedness and fears of his mother, royally screwed over his eldest son and line, but it also caused his younger son and his line to cause so much death and destruction to the world.

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They really do and it's pathetic and also deranged. Her whole speech is entirely about herself and her feelings, like where does she get off thinking that she's got anything to do with Sasuke and his revenge, like seriously she says revenge won't make her happy. She's got the gall to compare Sasuke leaving her to the pain and suffering he felt when his clan was taken from him. Like seriously, that's fucked up as all hell man.

Next not-romantic Scene.

Why are people using this scene to ship Sasuke and Sakura? Like for real...

Sasuke made his decision to leave by then. He doesn't really care about her since he has been retraumatized. Look at his annoyed expression when he sees her.

Sakura admits to having been watching this road... Which is... Not what people in a loving relationship should be doing.

First, she is worn out and worried to death.

Second, if there is some sort of deeper bond, they can usually talk to each other.

Third, if she was that worried about him leaving, she should have approached both Naruto and Kakashi and asked them for intervention. I don't get why she thinks she can stop Sasuke solo at this point tbh.

Well, Sasuke tells her more or less politely to mind her own business... Also not very romantic. He doesn't change his way for her.

Again, he rejects her. This is painful. Maybe Sasuke is being a jerk, or maybe Sakura is being too pushy with him, besides his rejection. In both ways, it doesn't seem very loving...

Afterward, she goes on to say:

You always act like I am bothering you! But do you remember our first real conversation? You blew up in my face and told me that I make you sick!

Sakura... what? This is not a loving memory.

And Sasuke is just like: I don't remember that.

And then Sakura is like: Well eh, going on missions together was fun.

Sasuke looks torn here.

She says this... And... It could have been something cute like: "We should have more fun together, stay together, blablabla" but she only thinks about her own feelings here.

It is manipulative. We know that Sakura can be quite manipulative, as we see later in her declaration to Naruto, but this again, is about how she feels, not about how Sasuke feels.

Sasuke takes his time to explain his feelings. He has made up his mind. He is hurt and lived through the genocide again... He would need some serious help here... But instead, we have Sakura saying THIS:

Once again, she is comparing the involuntary genocide of his entire fucking family, the betrayal of his big brother to what? Her being lonely because her crush is leaving on his own account? This is actually insulting and lacks so much empathy and understanding on her side...

Sasuke is still being considerate here...

And Sakura, instead of understanding, and offering support just screams that she is in love with him... Once again, everything is about her... I get that she loves him and she tries her best to make him happy... It is just that she doesn't understand him, so she won't be able to make him happy. I actually feel sorry for her here.

So she screams how much she loves him and how she wants to make him happy and help him. And Sasuke just calls her annoying and turns away. That is a freaking hurtful rejection.

And now Sakura just gets possessive and disrespectful. Sasuke is lost, about to commit treason and to go to the freaking snake man who wants to possess his body and Sakura only thinks about how she doesn't want him to leave her. Hell, she even offers to go to Orochimaru with him. She doesn't fucking care about anyone, not her parents, not Ino, not Naruto, not Sasuke, only herself and her obsession with Sasuke.

Sasuke is a good-mannered boy and at least says thank you (for caring), before punching her unconscious so she stops making a fuss. Then he leaves and never really thinks of her again, tries to kill her 2 times, would let her fall into lava, AND THEN GETS HER PREGNANT AND LEAVE HER AND HIS CHILD ALONE FOR 12 YEARS.

NICE!

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Hey there! If you're still doing asks, I have a question

what you think is the reason Sasuke is hated widely while Itachi is a beloved character? He is considered the best brother in anime when looking at the canon all I see is this guy ruining his little brother's life by torturing and abusing him mentally and physically. He even told Sasuke to kill his best friend to get power that made Sasuke afraid of even making any bonds. He even said to sasuke he was worthless to kill so Sasuke saw love and connections as a weakness. He tortured Sasuke when he was 7, when he was 12, also in their final battle. After the truth reveal, Sasuke is ready to make the whole world his enemy for Itachi. He tries to understand him; he again sees him as the same way the kid him saw his older brother; he even calls him perfect. This just shows how much of a better brother Sasuke was compared to Itachi. But this Naruto fandom will tell you that Sasuke doesn't deserve a good brother like Itachi and blame him for not acting according to Itachi's fascist village wishes. What the actual fuck?

And Sasuke is considered a genocidal maniac psychopath, even without doing any genocide. While Itachi, the actual genocidal maniac psychopath who killed innocent children and women and literal babies and who even abused his little brother's life in the name of protecting him, is considered the best brother and hero. Is it the narrative problem or the fandom's? Like the narrative really is white-knighting Itachi after the truth reveal. If Itachi stabbed a child 50 times, his cult will tell you how much it hurts Itachi-sama to stab the child 50 times instead of the pain of the child getting stabbed. That's how much Kishimoto wanked his character. It's like he wanted everyone to like Itachi's character, at the same time he demonizes Sasuke the genocide victim a lot throughout the series.

Even Studio Pierrot was clearly wanking Itachi by making that OVA where he was making eggs for Sasuke so people perceive him as "look the best bro Itachi taking care of Sasuke" when the canon says otherwise. And do you remember Tsunade's Infinite Tsukuyomi filler arc? The character assassination Sasuke got in was terrible. Again, Sasuke would never turn a jerk if the massacre didn't happened. Even in canon where the massacre happened, he still was the kindest selfless kid compared to Naruto who was constantly bullying him and annoying him for jealousy and Sakura who were constantly harassing him over her stupid selfish crush while Sasuke was ready to sacrifice his life for those kids. In that filler also there was the usual Itachi glaze. It's like the studio wanted Sasuke to be perceived in a certain way while making Itachi a saint.

Is this Itachi glorification and Sasuke slander tied to Naruto and Sakura self-inserts? I've seen plenty of meme posts of Itachi torturing Sasuke by pinning him in the wall and the comments were always like Sasuke deserved to getting tortured for being emo and for being a jerk to Naruto and for rejecting Sakura etc.... If they are referring to Part 1 Sasuke, he was the nicest kid in Team 7 so why are they adamant in humbling a 12-year-old kid? And people were crying for Sakura when Sasuke rejected her and left the village and laughing at Sasuke when he gets tortured where he saw his parents getting killed half a million times. How can people have sympathy for Sakura a girl who can't accept rejection but Sasuke, a traumatized genocide victim? And why is this fandom using Itachi to put down Sasuke in moral Olympics when Itachi is a far worse human compared to his little brother who got fucked up by the consequences of Itachi's actions?

This is a mammoth of a question, and one I don't know if I'll be able to properly answer, but in short, it's very much the result of the fandom first and foremost, however, as a quick aside I will admit that Kishimoto isn't completely innocent, the man sure as fuck can write and Naruto as a series is awesome, however, Itachi is definitely one of his biggest shortcomings as a writer because Itachi as a character just ruined everything, and as a someone who's currently pursuing creative writing that's a mistake I don't want to make for myself. But again the fandom is definitely the biggest reason why Itachi's so glorified. Let's get the obvious out of the way first, Itachi glorification, like the glorification of Kakashi, Naruto, Sakura, and Tobirama all have something in common, these characters all in some way are opposite to Sasuke and everything he stands for, by extension his clan.

The main reason why Sasuke is hated and Itachi isn't is bias, especially from the Western fandom. Sasuke's got absurd looks, talents, wealth, and popularity all of which most western viewers desire, envy, and don't have, this is why Naruto and Sakura stans project onto those two because they're just like them, they all want what Sasuke has without the young man himself, just like everyone else wanted the power of the Uchiha Clan without the clan itself. Additionally, Sasuke, as I and others have said before, is very clan-oriented and obedient, everything he does, including his training and growth, is in devotion to his clan and parents. I don't know the specifics, but from what I know Sasuke's very well-liked by the Eastern portion of the Naruto fandom, because his clan-first mentality and mindset, the fact that he puts his clan before himself is why he's liked in the East in stark contrast to Itachi who himself has a very western outlook on life. I mean seriously, Itachi maligns his family and clan, and vigorously worships the state, he quote on quote "put Fugaku in his place" for trying to "control", which a lot of people here in the west relate to, nevermind the fact that Fugaku was doing everything in his power to ensure the survival of his clan and family in the dire times they were in, but these fans like Itachi don't fucking care about that, actually I'm currently working on a post about Fugaku so I'll be expanding him at some point.

Sasuke's refusal to sit back and let the pain and suffering he and his clan went through go is another reason why he's hated, he rightfully can't ignore the fact that his clan was discriminated against, and segregated since the founding of the village, nor the genocide of his clan, nor the pain, suffering, and torture he was put through, as well as the isolation and the village flourishing over his clans graves is all shit he rightfully can't stand. You see, loyalty to the state and individuality are considered paramount for people here in the West, with Western media having this obsession with glorifying war-criminals and war-crimes with this "killing your people made our men cry" bullshit, all in the name of " freedom and democracy!" and all that crap. Western media loves to demonize the victims of state-sanctioned violence who naturally and rightfully lash-out at the state and powers at be that ruined their lives, I mean look at Jet and Hama from Avatar the Last Airbender, and even here in Naruto, Sasuke, Nagato, Obito, the Ame Trio, the Kaguya clan (Kimimaro's clan) and even Neji, all of them are despised for lashing out at what the powers that be did to them, Western media loves saying that true victims accept what happened to them and move on. Sasuke, however, doesn't do that, and this is PRECISELY why Sasuke's hated more than Itachi, it's because anytime he's presented with a scenario in which he's expected to follow the path typical of a shonen rival he instead does the exact opposite, he defies the readers expectations and doesn't bend over for others both in and out of universe. He never acknowledges or validates Naruto or Sakura, he doesn't return the latters creepy, one-sided obsession, nor does he play her games, he chooses his family and clan over those shitheads and the village that screwed them over, he tells constantly to fuck off and leave him the fuck alone, he never forgets or puts aside his clan, and he never forgives the village for what it did to him and his clan.

I will say that the Naruto fandom does some Itachi glorification, as Itachi both validated and acknowledged Naruto, while also treating him "nicely".

I can't say anything about Sakura fandom's glorification of Itachi, as frankly it doesn't make any sense to me as it does to you though, as Itachi never once acknowledged her, much less even looked in her direction, hell the first and only time they potentially interacted was in the Kazekage Retrieval Arc, and even then Itachi felt that Sakura was so beneath him that he didn't even acknowledge her, he acknowledge Kakashi and Naruto, and in the anime even Chiyo, but he said NOTHING to Sakura in that chapter or episode

These are the scans from the manga and they showcase literally the ONLY interaction Sakura and Itachi have, and again Itachi literally doesn't acknowledge her, so I have idea what's Sakura fandoms deal with Itachi, but even then they've always been delusional as hell so no surprise there. I will also however not that it's especially ridiculous that Itachi is seen as a gentleman who knows how to treat women by the fandom when, as you've correctly pointed out, the bastard slaughtered all of the women in his clan, including his own mother who was slowly dying via the Tsukuyomi he cast on her and Fugaku before cutting them both down with his swords like he did with the rest of their clan.

SP has always done its own thing, which is why we have these terrible fillers, so I'm not even going to begin touching that.

But again outside of Western bias and media illiteracy, Sasuke's hated more than Itachi because of self-insertion from the fandom.

I apologize if this doesn't completely answer your initial question or if it's not suitable for you, I will come back and add more to this at some point, but for now this is my answer.