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hot take: anti endos shouldn't use words originating with pro endo origins (pluralpunk, alterhuman etc) I don't care if the word fits your exact experience you cannot call yourself alterhuman and then go on a tirade about how endogenic systems suck and the disgusting things you would to to them. like... bitch that's baked into who you call yourself but ok

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I am 24, almost 25. I have known about my system since i was 13/14

I know endogenic systems in their 30's or 40's who have been endogenic systems longer than some of these anti's have been alive...

I find the infantilization of endos to be very weird. They're kids who don't know any better. They're uneducated. Etc. I find it upsetting as someone who's an endo. Just let us chill damn

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From /r/ExplainTheJoke

This but syscourse.

If there's all this damning evidence that endogenics and nondisordered systems can't exist... Where is it? If it's so well known to be wrong, where's the one reputable source saying so?

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Endogenic systems exist

We are real. We are valid.

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It confuses me when people who are cool with non-disordered and spiritual otherkin are against the concept of non-disordered or spiritual plurality

I don't get how you can accept the concept of

"I am a fox, this identity is not caused by any mental illness"

or

"I am Sailor Moon, this Identity is not caused by any mental illness"

but somehow the concept of "we are multiple people in one body, this is not caused by any mental illness" is too much for you

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Plurality, multiplicity, and systems are not synonyms for DID. They are umbrellas that include DID as well as other disordered and non-disordered experiences of being more than one person or personality in one body over time.

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We're appreciating these pro-endo posts as an endogenic, especially the fact you account for traumatized endogenics (we at least notice "usually" and other such words in a lot of posts, and were taught at a young age how to analyze shit because of being autistic) so like...thanks. :)

Hopefully y'all are okay, anti-endos are really showing their asses this time in your asks. And we hope everyone else realizes they have always been that bigoted.

hey of course, thanks for sending this ask!

yeah i don't know why people don't understand that endogenic systems can... also have trauma. like. endogenic doesn't mean 100% free from trauma. anyone can have trauma. trauma doesn't always manifest in the most extreme forms possible like dissociative disorders. like i cannot stress enough that dissociative disorders are a very specific kind of plurality, and should NOT be used as a metric to gauge whether or not someone's plural experience is legitimate or not. the diagnostic criteria for dissociative disorders is so painfully restrictive that a lot of people who probably do have a dissociative disorder don't get the diagnosis because it's so fucking specific

and again, i just want to stress that endogenic systems literally are not hurting anyone. you are not spitting in my face or talking over me as a system with DID. you are being respectful by using a term that suits your experience way better. like idk how that is offensive to people. endogenic systems developed a term to express a specific type of plurality. that's not trying to mock or ape on dissociative plurality. it's not an attempt to talk over dissociatives. it's creating an entirely new conversation that needs to be had

people getting upset about endogenic systems are creating mountains out of mole hills. it is quite literally a nothing burger of a problem. there IS no problem. nothing wrong is even happening. like i cannot overstate how fucking annoying it is when other dissociatives decide its time to get on their high horses and act as if they're suddenly experts on psychology and mental health. like it really pisses me off when other plurals with DID decide the entire plural community is about them. the DID community is about plurals with DID. specifically. you can still occupy spaces made for people with DID and leave endogenics alone and the world will keep turning. the sun will rise tomorrow regardless.

learn to mind your own goddamn business if you can't respect that other people experience the world differently than you do. maybe, just maybe, the dissociatives who are intentionally going out of their way to mock and harass endogenic systems are the fucking problem, here. you don't get to be a fucking bully just because you have trauma. you don't get to attack and hurt people who haven't hurt you just because you were abused. that's literally fucking perpetuating the cycle of abuse. if you think to yourself that because you are traumatized, that it's okay to take your anger out on people who have no trauma, you seriously need to reassess your life. what does that do for you? temporary catharsis? a rush of dopamine that lasts mere seconds? chasing the high of harassing strangers will not undo what was done to you in the past.

as a dissociative- i only understand what dissociative plurality is like. i do not understand other forms of plurality. and you know what? i don't find the fact that other types of plurality existing offensive to me. it's just not. i've been very close friends with so many endogenic, spiritual, natural, etc. systems out there over the years. i have never found it offensive for anyone to say "oh hey i'm plural too!" and then explain a different plural experience than the one i have. thats why the term plural even exists, because it encompasses a broad range of plural experiences, not just dissociative ones.

like, to the dissociatives who are pissed off that endos exist: literally stay in dissociative disorder-centric spaces and tags. they're right there. you HAVE a community that you can interact with who understand exactly what you're going through. if it offends you that you find a VARIETY of plural experiences in the general plural community- that community isn't for you. like seriously. if it offends you that deeply that other types of plurality exist- the general plural community is not for you. it's literally not made for you if you can't except that numerous types of plurality exist. you have spaces you can occupy that ARE made 100% for people just like you. you can quite literally stay in spaces made for dissociative plurals only. like. you can do that. that's an option. and you can stop bullying other people out of spaces that they rightfully belong in.

trauma is never excuse to be a fucking jackass. it's perpetuating the cycle of abuse. that's nothing to be proud of. break the cycle. stop abusing people just because you were abused.

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Hey to anyone seeking a spiritual system community heres one

Spiritual System Community Link!

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I did not make this post for you, random bad faith piss on the poor interpretor; i made this for myself, the two mutuals who pity like all my posts even the cringefail ones, and the angel who lives in my phone and looks upon me with carnal desire

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reminder that endogenic systems are systems 🫀

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R/System cringe mfs when you arent miserable 24/7 as a plural

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APPRECIATION POST TO ENDOS ‼️

Thank you endo systems for being who you are, you are loved and appreciated. Never let hate get to you, you are real and valid !! Your existence helped us a traumagenic sys to accept ourselves and become happier and comfortable with being plural.

Endos are amazing!!! The greatest even!!! Ily endos /p

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I will eat anti endos /silly

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I think a big part of the reason that I went from anti-endo to endo-safe was absolutely due to how starkly different the communities felt.

Anti-endo communities were hard to engage with. Sure, some of them would focus on their support for each other more than their hatred of endogenic systems. And that's great! However, when you are brought together by your dislike of a certain group, you can't help but feel the hate permiate into so much of it. It always happened eventually. Anti-endo communities had such a focus on systems who were "fake" that I couldn't help but worry I was one of them, no matter how much they told me it was "just endos" they were concerned about.

The endo community (at least the parts I've engaged with and were easy to find) were so kind and respected me as a system, no matter how I felt or my plurality presented. Simply knowing we could find joy in our plurality allowed us to strive for so much more than we had thought possible before.

As a traumagenic system, we've improved so much with our symptoms and communication as a result of the positivity and acceptance we recieved. When we joined communities where we could be authenticallly ourselves (no matter what), we came together and faced so much less conflict between each other. And the conficts we did have, we realized that we could solve them together rather than alone.

When you are constantly doubting if you are "actually a system", you start to push the others away, and that made our dissociation and amnesia so much worse. I understand being careful of self-misdiangnosis, it can put you on the wrong path for how you learn to manage your symptoms. At the same time, the sentiment I often heard from endogenic systems when I was struggling with doubt and denial was very simple: "So what if you're not a system?" In short, it was okay to be wrong.

And that was huge for me. I realized that, no matter if I was a system or not, the techniques I used to improve ourselves and communicate with one another beneficial to me. At the end of the day, even if I wasn't a system after all, the skills I had found we invaluble to my health and well-being. So when I fall into denial spirals, no matter what I think about myself, I now know that I don't need to deprive myself of what has helped me, even if it is a "system thing." I don't feel scared to use these skills anymore (even in denial spirals), beacuse the line between what systems and non-systems or singlets can/can't do suddenly wasn't a big deal or a battle of "who can do what."

Our plurality is no longer a burden or a scar to us. It is simply who we are. We've learned so much about each other and ourselves since we've been accepted in full, and since we've learned to accept others. Endogenic communities have helped us (a traumagenic system) probably more than they'll ever know, and we're forever grateful for that.

So thank you, endogenic systems.

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If the anti endos could stay out of our tags that would be great. Always have "endos dni" on their page yet often times go out of their way to invade endo spaces and I'm tired of it. Just let people be people

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I feel as though many anti endos only accept mixed origin systems on the basis of "oh you're finally accepting you have trauma and its what made you a system."

Do they genuinely believe your members are mixed in origin or are they just saying they do because its still a matter of someone saying "trauma had a hand in making my system" so it's easier to choke down their actual thoughts while they sit and think you'll "come around" or "come back around" to accept you "arent actually mkxed origin"

Mixed origin systems are still often the target of hate from anti endos because so many of them can not accept that anything other than trauma and suffering can make someone a system or make an alter/headmate/sysmember/etc.

It's sad.

I'm all for trying to understand the other side. I'm all for trying to challenge ones beliefs. I just feel it's wrong to call syscourse a debate when, at this point, it isn't a debate. It stopped being a debate when harassment became the norm, when so many of us cant feel safe even in spaces designed for us. A debate doesn't harass communities or their spaces (This goes for both sides of syscourse, im not saying it is only anti-endos who have harassed others).

I feel like it might be worth reminding everyone that the purpose of a debate is not to convince the other side of your opinion, but to seek an understanding of each other's opinions by listening and challenging the areas of the opinion that you find faulty. The syscourse community has really deviated from that and it's sad to see how unwilling the majority of us are willing to be open minded or have our beliefs challenged.

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Debating if someone exists is just kinda... wrong. Ya'know?

I feel like it might be worth reminding everyone that the purpose of a debate is not to convince the other side of your opinion, but to seek an understanding of each other's opinions by listening and challenging the areas of the opinion that you find faulty. The syscourse community has really deviated from that and it's sad to see how unwilling the majority of us are willing to be open minded or have our beliefs challenged.