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Thinking about the whole "Chloe teaming up with Hawkmoth thing"

Hawkmoth, Gabriel Agreste, is someone who knows Chloe and her family intimately. This is someone who's not only had a history with both of her parents, but watched Chloe grow up. She was the only non-family friend Adrien was allowed to have for years

He knew her

And he used that knowledge to pray on her insecurities, to akumatize her family to manipulate her into joining his side. After that, he continued to target her, calling her his favorite akuma victim at one point, then eventually makes her into a scapegoat, which gets her shipped off to another country without a single care

I don't care about your feelings for Chloe but seriously think about this. This is an adult in her life, who is very close to her and her parents, repeatedly targeting her into being an akuma victim, to the point where she accepts it happily multiple times

No matter what, that is a horrifying, disgusting situation

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an issue with miraculous is that the writers have certain characters that they want the audience to believe are redeemed/good people despite their actions, however make little to no effort to show any development in their character or even show that character making up for what they did. they expect the audience to take it completely at face value when they say “they’re good actually :)”

this is (mostly) about felix and andre

mostly andre

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HUH WHAT HUH

WHO CAME UP WITH THIS

WORLD WAR TWO OCCUPIED FRANCE FIRST PROMPT FOR LADYNOIR JULY?? NAZI OCCUPATION OF PARIS FIRST PROMPT FOR LADYNOIR JULY. WORLD WAR TWO PROMPT FIRST DAY OF LADYNOIR JULY. IS THIS REAL. AM I DREAMING. AM I GOING INSANE. hey hey hey you guys realize the optics on that are awful right right right you realize having that at all much less day one is terrible right because in an open community event like this theres no guarantee very sensitive and serious topics like this are treated with proper care right right right right hey you realize how bad of an idea this was right. please. hey

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putting this question out there cause I randomly thought of it (prolly been asked b4)

Would Gabriel show up in the ladybug/cat kwagatamas? He did wield both during the wish, but would the wish, like, erase that moment? He also (I’m pretty sure) wore both of em in Kwamis Choice, but they got swiped almost immediately. Would he need to transform with them first to show up in the kwagatamas?

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Miraculous Ladybug is unconsciously really good at me making (a black woman) continually annoyed with how they design black characters

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This new ML black girl might be my Roman Empire

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actually of everything i've heard about what's wrong with the kurtzbergs' depiction i haven't heard much about their designs?? i love how the crew seemingly went "ok so how do we subtly show that nathaniel's family is jewish" and their solution was to give both of his parents Classic Stereotypical Jew Noses. which nathaniel notably does not have. baffling from a variety of perspectives.

and basing the mom's akuma form off of the knights templar is insane to me. the knights templar who today are the subject of multiple conspiracy theories startlingly similar to antisemitic ones? like how they performed occult satan-worshipping rituals and are secretly still alive today, ruling the world behind the scenes? how do you unknowingly mess up that badly.

Y'know. Maybe it's a good thing Nino's parents just don't show up at all.

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[takes out a notepad and jots down "show engages in 4+ invocations of antisemitic stereotypes" under "Why we can't really trust any morals on bigotry from Miraculous Ladybug"]

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wait hold on can we talk about that actually. maybe yurifying adrinette needs like. a little more care. rant in tags

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What if you wanted to find out about Marinette's secret, so you create a new persona to befriend her with, team up with her for a contest, and end up developing feelings for the girl you hate?

Lilanette done by @justalittleratsworld for my au 🎉

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lila rossi pretty princess myscene barbie polly pocket glitter flip phone dreamhouse y2k preteen pop mp3 daylist

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i dunno, im pretty sure we can agree that salt was our way of channeling our feelings about the shitty ways the characters can act

once i started blaming the writing though? i was able to look at each character and realize "goddamn all of them have this problem" (and half the time the characters making bad choices isn't in character, or isnt caused by any reason for them to act out of character, it's just the writers always need them to act this way to move the plot along)

might be just me but i feel like i've went through an arc with the ml salt fics i read

used to be class/adrien salt cause i was bitter about the lila plot, then it moved to marinette salt for a brief moment because the way the writers handled her, then lila salt because clearly she's the reason everyone's writing is bad, right?

and now i just look at general/sugar fics, the lila redemption ones are especially tasty cause i get to read different interpretations as to her character, motives, and reasons for change

if anything, the salt's all on the adult characters now

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might be just me but i feel like i've went through an arc with the ml salt fics i read

used to be class/adrien salt cause i was bitter about the lila plot, then it moved to marinette salt for a brief moment because the way the writers handled her, then lila salt because clearly she's the reason everyone's writing is bad, right?

and now i just look at general/sugar fics, the lila redemption ones are especially tasty cause i get to read different interpretations as to her character, motives, and reasons for change

if anything, the salt's all on the adult characters now

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okay, so is there any in-universe explanation for Soqueline not getting a miraculous? This is a complete genuine question

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This feels like a strange thing to say cause like…

What about the Gabriels in people’s lives? The controlling parents who can’t accept you making a single decision in your own life, who try to control every aspect of you?

What about the Jaggeds? The parents you barely knew most of your life, who just enter into your life and act like everything’s fine?

The Andres? The parents who either don’t teach you how to act or specifically teach you how to act terrible, reward your misbehavior with gifts, blame everything on you, their child, or throw you to your abuser in order to not deal with you?

There’s multiple characters that people can find examples of in their own lives that are redeemed within the show or through the writers’ mouths. Not to mention most of the people who are redeemed in this show don’t actually change (Felix and Andre off the top of my head). They just change their mind one day, put no actual effort in, and suddenly we’re supposed to uncritically think they’re better people.

(also I know someone will say the show doesn’t think Gabriel is a hero, but the interview with the writers after the season 5 finale shows the writers do, in fact, think that way)

I saw someone on Twitter saiyng that:

"It feels like those who constantly cling and complain about Chloe’s so called “lost potential” and “scrapped redemption arc”(never happened), have either never truly experienced, noticed or seen their first Chloe out in the real world, OR they are the Chloe of people’s lives.

You never forget your first toxic relationship, heck not many people know their in one right now, let along have the strength to admit it and actually get out of it.

Btw, if you don’t know how to differentiate people who chose to put in the work to change vs those who chose not to, even after all the chances they were given, then you may seriously need to reevaluate your better judgment, cause odds are, your in a toxic relationship right now.

And to whoever it may concern, your either lying or have never actually been in a toxic relationship with these kinds of people."

What do you think?

That's overly generalizing the human experience and how they interact with fiction cause newsflash: Chloe ain't real. She can't put in the work nor choose to change. She can't want to improve or to get worse. She's a fictional character at the mercy of the whims of writers and some of us mourn her as one.

And let's say we try the projection game... Not everyone's worst person ever can be represented by Chloe.

Sometimes it's the shitty parent that abused you. Sometimes it's the boy who gaslights you or wouldn't take no for an answer or took a joke too far and is mad you're not laughing with him. Sometimes it's the crush you did everything for but took advantage of your generosity and took you for granted. Sometimes it's the friend who betrayed your secrets or doesn't believe you when you needed them to... It's not always the mean girl that cut you the deepest. I've seen all these projections across different character salters, y'all can guess.

I've said it before in other posts and I might as well drop this piece of personal lore once again: my toxic friendship that hurt me fundamentally? She reminds me of Marinette. I've had my share of Chloe's in school and they sure as hell pissed me off and some fights do get out of hand... but they didn't hurt me the way the Marinette in my life did. The Chloe's in my life don't haunt me the way Marinette does.

Yet from time to time, people may find me mourning Marinette's potential or can see some hint of it even in my critical salt posts on her. Because she ain't her.

Some of us can separate fiction from reality. Growing up is realizing Chloe's aren't the only type of person that can hurt people. So excuse some of us for not feeling the same trauma you are when seeing Chloe.

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I saw someone on Twitter saiyng that:

"It feels like those who constantly cling and complain about Chloe’s so called “lost potential” and “scrapped redemption arc”(never happened), have either never truly experienced, noticed or seen their first Chloe out in the real world, OR they are the Chloe of people’s lives.

You never forget your first toxic relationship, heck not many people know their in one right now, let along have the strength to admit it and actually get out of it.

Btw, if you don’t know how to differentiate people who chose to put in the work to change vs those who chose not to, even after all the chances they were given, then you may seriously need to reevaluate your better judgment, cause odds are, your in a toxic relationship right now.

And to whoever it may concern, your either lying or have never actually been in a toxic relationship with these kinds of people."

What do you think?

That's overly generalizing the human experience and how they interact with fiction cause newsflash: Chloe ain't real. She can't put in the work nor choose to change. She can't want to improve or to get worse. She's a fictional character at the mercy of the whims of writers and some of us mourn her as one.

And let's say we try the projection game... Not everyone's worst person ever can be represented by Chloe.

Sometimes it's the shitty parent that abused you. Sometimes it's the boy who gaslights you or wouldn't take no for an answer or took a joke too far and is mad you're not laughing with him. Sometimes it's the crush you did everything for but took advantage of your generosity and took you for granted. Sometimes it's the friend who betrayed your secrets or doesn't believe you when you needed them to... It's not always the mean girl that cut you the deepest. I've seen all these projections across different character salters, y'all can guess.

I've said it before in other posts and I might as well drop this piece of personal lore once again: my toxic friendship that hurt me fundamentally? She reminds me of Marinette. I've had my share of Chloe's in school and they sure as hell pissed me off and some fights do get out of hand... but they didn't hurt me the way the Marinette in my life did. The Chloe's in my life don't haunt me the way Marinette does.

Yet from time to time, people may find me mourning Marinette's potential or can see some hint of it even in my critical salt posts on her. Because she ain't her.

Some of us can separate fiction from reality. Growing up is realizing Chloe's aren't the only type of person that can hurt people. So excuse some of us for not feeling the same trauma you are when seeing Chloe.

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Gonna be honest, and this is just a personal thing

but it bothers me just a little how much people either predict/straight up want Lila/cerise/iris to just be a psychopath. it always just feels reductive, especially when people are trying to start a genuine conversation about what her backstory/motives could be. it could be because I’ve read fics that do character studies on her and why she does the things she does, it could be it’s because I believe there’s nuance to her character, or at the very least I believe she’s capable of doing other things or having other interests/hobbies beyond ruining people’s lives.

I don’t have too much faith in the writing of this show, but even I think they’d still actually put in effort into her backstory and motives beyond “well she’s a girl and a psychopath and that’s the end of that sentence”. Especially since the show prides itself on tackling mental health issues, it would be a bit strange to then demonize a character for having the “““evil””” mental illness.

maybe I shouldn’t deep it too much but it always rubs me the wrong way

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whenever characters have a weird dad and a missing/dead/unmentioned mom the fandom tendency is to assume she's normal to balance it out. but it's always valid to instead assume she matched his freak. that she was freakier. if canon won't give you enough insane women to work with it's always morally correct to fill in the blanks with your own