#ml lila

[emdoddles]

Desparda! Max, Collector! Marinette, Ubiquity! Lila, Celesticat! Juleka, Queen Banana! Nathaniel and Weredad! Ivan

[m3nt4llyr4v3d]

Miraculous and Redemption

You know, I think I understand what my issue is with this show’s stance on redemption. It’s not specifically who gets the redemption, even the hypocrisy of who does or doesn’t get redemption/forgiven is only one part of the issue.

It’s specifically how they treat the characters who don’t get redemption.

I have seen, in media, where terrible characters who’ve done terrible things get a redemption, and the mean characters, who are just mean, don’t change at all. That’s fine! People are complex, some change and some don’t, some have done horrible things and some are just school yard bullies. It’s fine to showcase this, I mean hell, in the Owl House, Boscha was still an asshole in season 2, and this was past the point that characters like Lilith were forgiven (Lilith isn’t really terrible in Season 1, she just has done a lot worse than Boscha)

Miraculous’s massive issue with this, however, is that the narrative/the authors treats those mean characters as worse than those characters who’ve done horrible things.

I mean, what other media has one of the creators say that some high school bully is comparable to Trump when her literal rich, corrupt, politician father is right fucking there?

Usually the media where a terrible person is redeemed and the mean character isn’t doesn’t treat it as a moral issue. It’s not “oh well this person can’t change” or “oh this person is even worse!” It’s usually “they’re mean, and that’s annoying, but oh well”. That media never treats the character like Satan incarnate, or treats their meanness compared to actual villainy as a moral issue. When characters are around them, they aren’t treating that mean character as literal scum compared to the former villain, the narrative doesn’t treat them as more than an annoyance or, for lack of better words, “small fry”. I mean, while Owl House acknowledged that Boscha was still a prick in season 2, they didn’t act like she was worse than Belos.

Miraculous treats Chloe and Lila, some petty, mean teenagers, as the literal devil compared to other characters. Lila is a master manipulator who somehow convinced 3 people she’s their daughter and has a trillion disguises! It doesn’t matter that that twist came out of nowhere, and it makes it a little weird that this teenager has multiple disguises that she uses around the city apparently, one where she looks like a 20 year old, making people theorize she’s an adult because how on earth is she smart enough or resourceful enough to do this. Chloe is a villain comparable to Gabe, even when she was a hero! Her backstory doesn’t justify any of her actions, but for literally everyone else, we are going to justify their actions! If they don’t do that, they’ll just sweep their actions under the rug completely! It doesn’t matter that she’s consistently being manipulated by the fully grown adults around her, she’s terrible don’t think about it! She neglected her father somehow (???????????????????) so it’s fully justified to send her off with her abusive mother! We aren’t even going to acknowledge that Andre literally had a part in raising her and her turning out this way, because somehow he did no wrong! And what sucks is that it’s succeeding at making those characters appear that way, because some fans are completely genuine when they say that Gabriel is more sympathetic than them. I mean, if you frequent the Reddit (which you absolutely shouldn’t, one way or another it will melt your brain), you’ll consistently see character rankings with Gabriel, Lila, Tomoe, and Chloe in the same category. Somehow the show put the bullies in the same categories as the literal abusive terrorist and his helper in these people’s eyes. You will constantly see these literal teenagers be put on the same category as adults who have done infinitely worse. Even Andre, who is a corrupt politician and terrible role model and literally RAISED CHLOE… is “woobified” by some fans, even going as far to say that Chloe abused him! Nevermind how that would even be possible when she was like, 5-7 when her mom left! I can’t point my fingers at the fans for this though, because the show goes out of its way to place all of its sympathy on the adults, even when they don’t deserve it, EVEN WHEN THE PAST WRITING LITERALLY PAINTS THEIR ACTIONS AS BAD

(It also doesn’t help that the fully grown adult’s actions are all forgiven but god forbid you’re terrible as a teenager, then you’ll get sent off to live with your verbally abusive mother while your basically deadbeat father adopts your half sister literally right after wiping his hands of you)

I will talk about the hypocrisy in redemption at some point, and how bias and forgiveness is handled, but godDAMN, this sucks

[uptoolateart]

This, Alya. This is why it matters having an election with only two weeks left of the school year.

This was also the talk I was waiting for them to have since season three. I knew this revelation of his was coming. I wrote about it months ago. I think I even wrote it in a fic, once. This is him breaking free of naivety. He's having a massive coming of age moment here.

And this here was brilliant - because we do need to give people chances...but you have to know when to step away, too.

[kittysuicoffee]

Hello people I did another fun art collab with @celestiall0tus ! This collab is on my story called I woke up in a show called miraculous ladybug! And as the villain Lila Rossi!? This is kinda a spoiler but I had fun!

[artaacari]

ACROSS MIRACULOUS - LILA

Season 1

Season 2

Season 3

Season 4

Season 5

[nionom-art]

Something from a few months ago that I found in my folder. I remember wanting to keep the same color scheme for each outfit with maybe slight variations for fun.

[edgybutnotveryedgy]

My Very Unhinged Lila Theory Part 1/3

Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

Lila isn’t a good liar. From the beginning she has told lies that a even a fifth grader would never take at face value. Let alone adults. Yet she has so many people who believe these lies to the point that she has multiple women convinced that they are all her mom. She is enrolled at multiple schools. She has a secret lair in the Paris catacombs. She has been caught in her lies multiple times even, yet it wasn’t until Confrontation that she was caught in any of these lies. 

The easy thing to do is to say that this is just lazy writing or plot convenience or something, but I don’t like that answer. It’s boring and lazy and I like to have fun. That being said, I think to begin with the real question we should be asking is: why do people blindly believe Lila? 

Knowing what we know about Lila as of season 5, I think that it is worthwhile to look back on her former appearances. Going through former episodes, I have come to the ultimate conclusion, I don’t think that Lila is just a good liar, even in universe. I believe she is using some sort of power or magic to make people believe anything she says. 

To begin with, I would like to address the following. There are canonically other forms of magic and superpowers in the Miraculous universe. Obviously we have the Kwami, but on multiple occasions Plagg mentions other kinds of magic. In Origins Part 1, Adrien, after putting on his ring, says “No way! Like the Genie in the Lamp!” followed by Plagg saying “I met him once. So he grants wishes. Big deal. I’m way more personable!” There’s also mention of Dragons a few times in the series, as well as United HeroeZ showcases many different heroes and villains who have abilities of their own. There’s also The Legend of Ladydragon with the Renlings, who are similar to Kwami, but still are not Kwami. 

Furthermore, Miraculous is a part of a shared universe. Any show that goes under the Zag Heroez brand is a part of the shared universe. This includes Zak Storm, Power Players, and Ghostforce. Obviously Ghostforce has its ghosts as its main supernatural element. Power Players has a life giving magic called minergy that brings inanimate objects like toys to life. Zak Storm has aliens, witches, ancient gods, Atlanteans, time travel shenanigans, magic wizard aliens, star people, magic guardians, and skeletons. And that’s just scratching the surface. (seriously please watch zak storm. It is so underrated and needs more eyes on it.) These are just the shows that have aired. There are more shows that have been stuck in production hell, like Fairyon, Pixiegirl, and others that all have other magical elements. Bottom line is that a character in Miraculous having powers that aren’t connected to Kwami’s is not unreasonable, and in fact would add a lot world building wise. 

To begin with, I want to note some specific quotes from episodes involving Lila that I believe suggest her having some sort of abilities. I recommend that any readers should go rewatch the episodes themselves. In this post I’ll just be covering episodes in season’s 1 and 2. So lets begin!

Volpina 

When Marinette first gets to school she hears everyone fawning over the new girl Lila. Here is her dialogue

[Shortly after watching Lila drag away a clearly uncomfortable Adrien.] [Marinette is panicking because she thinks Lila is going to seduce Adrien and then he'll never love her.]

Marinette: *gasp* "where are they going? Alya! We've gotta stop them."

Alya: "You need to chill out Marinette. My Ladyblog has the highest number of hits ever after that Lila interview!"

Marinette: "what's going on? I mean has this Lila girl hypnotized everyone or something?"

Tiki: "You wouldn't be a little jealous, Marinette?"

Marinette: "huh? Me? Jealous? No way!"

[Marinette proceeds to run after Adrien and Lila]

...

While Marinette is spying on Adrien and Lila, Adrien is looking at the book he stole from his dad. Lila comes over talking about doing history homework with Adrien.

Lila looks smitten with Adrien. 

Her eyes look down and she notices the book Adrien has, then she immediately looks shocked.

Lila: "What's that?"

She pulls the book over to herself to look at it while Adrien starts to panic.

Adrien: "uh.. Nothing! Just stories about superheroes." (Smooth save bro)

Lila puts her hand on Adrien’s hand.

Lila: "I love super heroes!" (It feels like she's specifically trying to form a character that she thinks Adrien will like)

Lila turns the page and it shows Ladybug.

Lila: "Ladybug?" (She seems genuinely excited when she sees this.)

Adrien: "She's amazing!" (He's so smitten)

Lila suddenly has a jealous look. She puts the book down and moves herself and her chair over closer to Adrien.

Lila: "A girl doesn't need to wear a costume to be amazing, you know."

Adrien panicking autistically: "uhh, i don't know? I mean i-"

Lila: "so! You've got a little soft spot for the bug huh?"

Adrien: "me? Oh no. Not at all!"

Lila: "You know, I actually happen to be very close friends with ladybug." 

Adrien: "Really?"

Lila: "We can chat about it if you want! Not here though. Why don't we meet at the park after school, and I'll tell you everything."

Adrien suddenly has to go to fencing practice, and he drops his bag. Meanwhile the book falls out, and Lila slips it away with her shoe. Before giving Adrien back his bag.

Why is she so obsessed with getting Adrien to like her?

Heroes Day Part One

Lila has apparently convinced her mom, the ambassador Ms. Rossi, that school has been closed down and isn't reopened due to akuma attacks, as well as apparently she has convinced her mom that ladybug is useless and unable to save anyone. Like... Doesn't her mom watch the news? Or go outside? She's an ambassador. There has to be more to this than just Lila being a good liar. Especially to her own "mother."

While in her room looking over the heroes day footage

Lila: "Liar! Traitor! Coward!"

Gabriel comes up on the screen to announce his contribution to the parade as well as to denounce Volpina.

Gabi: "in honor of the wonderful Ladybug who has saved my son Adrien and myself, and who relentlessly protects all of us every day. I have financed this tribute to Ladybug, because Ladybug is the only true hero unlike her mediocre imitations, such as Volpina."

As soon as Gabriel comes on screen Lila goes quiet and is suddenly very interested to know what gabe has to say. I just think this is interesting. 

After hearing what Gabriel says about Volpina, Lila gasps and looks upset. She then proceeds to throw her laptop against the wall, then dramatically yell

Lila: "I HATE YOU LADYBUG!"

Next the scene cuts to Gabi doing his Hawkmoth thing. He sends an akuma out to Lila. 

Lila is just sitting in her room looking very alone and upset.when she hears the akuma wings fluttering she looks up. Suddenly she looks frightened and jumps back a bit gasping before it goes into her bracelet. 

Hawkmoth: "Volpina."

Lila: "Hawkmoth!" (She says this very happily)

Hawkmoth: "Your dreams were once a reality, until Ladybug turned them into a nightmare. Regain your power of illusion, and make this heroes day a nightmare for all Parisians!"

Lila: "With great pleasure Hawkmoth."

...

After Volpina does her whole thing and makes everyone in Paris worried,

Hawkmoth: "Dear Volpina, you've performed your role well for the time being. We will meet again very soon."

Volpina: "I'll be waiting, Hawkmoth."

After being detransformed, Lila looks up, and she has a very sinister smile.

About Volpina

Powers of Illusion. She uses her powers to make people believe what she wants them to believe, such as in her debut episode, where she uses these powers to convince Ladybug and Chat Noir and Adrien as well as all of Paris, that she is amazing and that she accomplishes great feats. As we know though, this is all an illusion. Much like her lies. She also uses these abilities to ruin the reputation of Ladybug in Hero’s day, as well as to attempt to trick Ladybug and Chat Noir. This mirrors her behavior in later episodes as well. 

Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

[clouded-chaos]

What’s this? Mayhaps a Lila redemption? Harder than you think

[a-miraculous-confession]

I still can't get enough of her, so I make this meme right here.

[karma-jinx]

Rat Mouse Lila

I designed this pre-spoilers so please excuse any physical traits that may or may not be up to date now.

[miraculous-pyxie]

I just got the most bizarre fan-theory idea ever (spoilers for episode 24 (representation)) and I don’t think I’ve heard anyone suggest this yet:

now the three episodes that released recently are missing an episode in chronological order, so I’m not sure what’s to come or exactly what’s an order because I have not watched them in order yet. HOWEVER- I think I’ve cracked Lila/Cerise/???’s motive. (for the sake of continuity and understanding I’m going to refer to her as Lila)

now this may not be correct AT ALL, but I feel like with the general direction we’re heading plot-wise, she could be the key to tying every major plot point together.

when Lila appeared at the season one, she made her fixation on popularity and Adrien, heavily apparent. Her flimsy lies in the beginning of the show were meant to test the students, to see who’s really paying attention. but why would she need to test the students if she’s just some other student? and to that I say, she’s not just some other student. she was always going to be a spy for Gabriel because she was designed that way. 

no really, I think she is a rouge sentibeing.

I know how rich this is coming from me, somebody who was previously against the Sentibeing theory but i’m willing to do a little thought experiment.

how did she inherently have the power to network with Gabriel Agreste? why did Gabriel trust some random 14-year-old who he’s never met before to watch his son? why did Gabriel seemingly let this girl into his company so easily and trust what she reports? 

we’ve seen in season five that there is more than just Natalie in on this little hawkmoth secret. so let me give you a timeline of events that could very well be possible for who we know as Lila Rossi.

We’ve seen Myaura, create diverse life from the feathers that’s different from Felix, Adrien, and Kagami, i.e. Sentibug. so these are the two ways that Lila could’ve come into existence.

but because Senti’s are manifestations of emotions, why would somebody have a reason to create Lila? Especially the way that she acts?

I think Lila could’ve been a manifestation of Gabriel’s need for control. Gabriel needed a spy so he made one. a powerful one. a little too powerful.

i also want to briefly mention in season three Gabriel confirmed that the brooch broke due to unknown circumstances  but in Felix and Kagami‘s reenactment of the past, the brooch is shown to be in perfect condition.  it’s definitely possible that more senti’s could’ve been made in that time, and Lila could’ve even been the reason that it broke. ((I understand that Emilie fell into a coma from using the broken peacock miraculous but the timeline for all this is a little out of sorts currently))

so, with all that out-of-the-way, let’s dive into a possible timeline of events:

Lila was created either the same way sentibug was or Felix was, and put under specific care by one or multiple of Gabriel’s employees. (hence the multiple moms.)

she was designed to be a spy to get information for Gabriel but turn rogue and started using her abilities for her own gain. Gabriel was upset with her defiance. instead of discarding her, he came up with a plan. he relocated her to Paris and through his network, set her up with a “mom”, and enrolled her in school. her “mission”, was to watch over Adrien and test his classmates for competence and clues. after Ladybug was seen holding a textbook from François Dupont College, Gabriel needed an in. He had Lila test certain lies and phrases subconsciously, who would react to this new girl saying that she’s ladybug’s best friend? and they almost figured it out because marinette was taking the bait.

Even though the fandom hated when Adrien told Marinette to take the highroad, and don’t get me wrong, I was right there with you, but in this theory, Adrien telling Marinette to school her reactions might have saved her identity in the long run without either of them knowing. Lila was saying things trying to piss people off, Trying to make akumas, trying to get Ladybug in the process. Gabriel’s influence or not she was trying to find ladybug.

it’s confirmed that Lila is the first person outside of Gabriel’s intention finding out his identity. with this theory in mind, that makes all the difference for Lila‘s motives for season six and forward. it’s also confirmed that in the future, there will be a new butterfly wielder and it’s all coming up Lila.  her designed motive for control, and power has completely consumed her.

some honorable mentions to this case is we saw in episode 22 when Lila‘s lies get exposed to the class that she’s very quick to twist her allies arms when her plans start falling out from under her.  that’s not some thing someone without a motive can pull off.

she has multiple disguises, names, homes, and many plans and ambitions that revolve around power and control via any means necessary.

but that does leave the question, if she is a senti, where is her amok? I think something my have happened before we met her where she got control. it could be something small enough to keep in her pocket or possibly the bracelets on her wrist.

Anyway, this is just an idea i thought of and i dumped it here because none of my friends who watch ml are caught up yet. sorry that this is not as concise as it could be.

edit: all of the references im pulling are from when i watched the show over the course of 7 years and i have not had a chance to go back and watch the majority of the episodes. this theory is also supposed to emphasize that Lila is a victim of Gabriel/Monarch but in a way that could be his downfall (succumbing to his need for control type stuff)

[emdoddles]

Long time no akuma swap!

Frozer! Rose, Wishmaker! Sabrina, Catalyst! Felix, Style Queen! Lila, Weredad! Chloe and Pentalteam! Marc

[m3nt4llyr4v3d]

Gabriel vs Chloe/Lila

I used to frequent the Miraculous subreddit (biggest mistake of my life) to see others opinions on Seasons 4 and 5. One question I would see pop up usually is as follows:

Why do people think Chloe/Lila is worse than Gabriel?

The common answer I’ve seen is that bullying and isolation are issues that the audience can relate to, something that’s more down to earth and closer to a viewer’s potential issues. Gabriel, meanwhile, is a supervillain who makes other ridiculously costumed supervillains when they feel bad, his situation was farther out, less relatable, so hammed up at times (cartoon and all) that people would take it less seriously.

And honestly? I completely understood this answer: many viewers’ overwhelming hatred of Chloe and Lila, from what I’ve seen, stemmed from personal relation to their victims, and their own experiences with bullies. It’s completely understandable why people would feel this way.

But then I thought about it for a second, and while I still understand that reasoning, I don’t understand it in any other context.

I mean, I’ve seen people on there genuinely say that Gabriel had more redeeming qualities than them, which confuses me. Lila I kind of understand, I mean we know literally nothing about this character, and the fandom reason of “she lies for attention because her mother is barely home”, which would give her sympathy, was a little… muddled, when it’s revealed she has 3 moms that she’s somehow lying to about being their daughter (what on earth) and has multiple identities. But Chloe? Season 2-3 was showing that she did have redeeming qualities, that she cared about people (few but regardless), she was even able to suck up her own pride when being a hero! Gabriel… He’s an odd case in which the story goes back and forth on whether he’s an awful irredeemable monster, or flawed but sympathetic dad trying his best, while also flip flopping on when exactly they want you to believe as much. Right now? He’s horrible, but the narrative want you to believe he’s just “trying his best” and thinks that he somehow has the room to ask Marinette to “tell Adrien to remember all the times I was a good father” (Marinette should’ve spat on his statue ngl)

Also, Gabriel is a neglectful, dare I say abusive father! Literally mind controls his son and is trying to control him to have the “destiny” that HE wants, not caring about his son at all. He literally pretends to bond with him at one point in Season 5 just so he could give him an alliance ring and walk off smirking, planning on akumatizing him (never brought up again btw). Like, I get that Hawkmoth is more of a hammy cartoon villain, and a lot of those aspect spill into Gabriel (I mean he had a silly stupid number near the beginning of season 5 that I hate to love). But the Gabriel half is genuinely horrible, and those aspects spill into Hawkmoth. Akumatizing, physically abusing your son, and ruining his relationship to akumatize his girlfriend in Chat Blanc, emotionally manipulating him with his dead mother in both Chat Blanc and Ephemeral, literally any time he causes an akuma on purpose by ruining the life of someone he used to be close with or personally knows (the comedian, Andre, anyone working under him), emotionally manipulating his son AGAIN just so he could plan to akumatize him later, locking him up in a white room and emotionally depriving him of everything, literally everything he does in season 5 actually. I understand that some of his more atrocious actions are supervillain things, and that could be more difficult to relate to real life problems. But come on, “neglectful, abusive, controlling parent” is absolutely a real life issue that people have, and it’s a bit strange I haven’t seen that brought up more often

I’m not saying that Chloe and Lila are saints by any means at all! But I am just saying that’s it’s kind of funny that people will say, with their whole chest, that vindictive bullying is actually worse than terrorism and abusing your child, and the idea that the narrative could agree with this scares me

[uptoolateart]

For once, this isn't Chloe being rude. Who even knows what this crazy girl's real name is.

Please no post-Collusion spoilers in comments :)

[kittysuicoffee]

Happy Valentine’s Day guys today I did a collab with @fabseg-reader they did the sketch and I did the outline and coloring! Ship is lilanette I did a day and night version because yes. I hope ya enjoy the drawing and happy Valentine’s Day!

[heartofkandrakarz]

[old art] i try and avoid leaks but omg i’m so happy i’m right about them being a butterfly and peacock holders