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it turns out that the beauty of all life has been the simple domestic happiness all along, damn

how appropriate is me finishing this one on the 1st of June? happy pride month to anyone who comes across this post! be safe, take care of yourself and others)

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If I were, hypothetically, writing an essay about the writing in The Magicians, specifically how they shit the bed when…you know…is there anything you’d think would be vital to include? I have been reading interviews with the writers and kicking around the fan spaces for the last couple months but I wasn’t here *at the time* so I’d love any input you might have as a fan who, I assume, was part of the fandom when season 4 came out. If you don’t want to answer this that’s totally okay, I understand if you don’t feel like doing Magicians Homework for a strange anon. I had no idea that writer has said they were *platonic* and now I have to include a whole other page in my essay because….what the fuck is that?! So I thought I’d ask if there is any other batshit stuff I’m missing.

man, anon.... there’s just so much.

here are a few write-up posts with links after 4x13 happened: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

#1 grossness forever and ever: sending hale appleman out to do press for a queer ship and getting his hopes up, all the while knowing that they’re never going to go through with it.

the way syfy deleted that 4x13 critical article... and two years later, the writer talks about what happened: 1, 2, 3, 4

SJH thought they were going to get praise for 4x13 so they planned to do a post-episode discussion on twitter, but the fans were so enraged/triggered that they went radio silent for a week instead

in an interview released after 4x06 (x), sera talked about S4 exploring the cyclical nature of quentin’s depression... meanwhile, in the physical kids podcast for 4x11 henry alonso meyers said that quentin wasn’t especially depressed in S4.

about a week (i think?) before 4x13, sera gave props to the fandom for our ability look out for each other’s mental health.

the cast was only told about jason’s departure two days before 4x13 aired. jason confirmed this in his exit interview (published, i think, right as the episode aired). in the 4x13 podcast olivia is crying because she just found out jason’s leaving, but at SDCC 2019 she said it was really sad shooting the bonfire because they were saying goodbye to jason as well as quentin. i don’t think she was lying on the podcast; she seemed so genuinely upset. i think by SDCC SJH were forcing a narrative.

arjun was comforting people on twitter after 4x12 and telling them it wasn’t the end of the road for queliot; the monday before 4x13 aired, he tweeted that he just found out they went all GOT and filmed a fake ending.

the fact that they filmed a fake-out?? so it looked like quentin was coming back?? what the fuck. that is money down the drain; money this show did not have. their excuse was that they filmed it to throw the rest of the cast and the crew (and anyone sniffing around for spoilers) offtrack wrt the fact that jason wasn’t coming back.

john said quentin and eliot didn’t have any kind of reunion or resolution in 4x13 because that would’ve been “artificial”... but the episode went out of its way to give every other ship a moment or several.

wrt 4x13 john said that because quentin has less fear of death and that makes him heroic. (x)

john’s whole thing about how the “subconscious mind gets what it wants”...

the whole thing with lev? i think he talked to some people/tried to be there for people? in a facebook group? someone remind me.

david “never heard of a bonfire as a suicide fantasy” reed.

jason said his NDA was fucked up.

the SDCC 2019 panel. batshit insane. the moderated begged the audience to not be weird about quentin’s death (i think this was after the audience booed when 4x13 was mentioned?), played a clip from S5 that compared everyone who was hurt by quentin’s death to a misogynistic pigman, and the audience was then told, by john (and sera?) that they were all going to die; that everyone in that room was be one hour closer to death. then went on to say that they killed quentin to explore grief because their dads died when they were in their 20s. (which of course is the same as a 26-year-old committing suicide! not to mention the fact that they didn’t do a storyline about this when quentin’s dad died... or alice’s... or kady’s mom...) (hilarious that they went with this excuse here but wrapped up the grief storyline after 5x03.)

at, i think, the dragon con in 2019, olivia made a nice comment about jason (about what a great scene partner he is, i think) and hale (and the audience) clapped and all of a sudden all of their Q&As were canceled.

in december 2019, they cut a trailer of S4 to make it look like quentin wasn’t even in the season.

by 5x02 they had lost 40% of their audience.

in one of the PKW episodes, one of the writers said that “julia couldn’t have made friends with eliot and margo if quentin had lived.”

sera stringing fans along on twitter while season 5 was airing! refusing to say whether quentin would be back! “watch and find out”!!!!!

lol right before 5x13 people were asking about the candy witch from 2x01 and if she was going to come to anything for this final episode, and sera LIED and said yes (x, x, x) instead of, i guess, admitting they forgot about her. people were wondering about/critiquing that after 5x13 aired, and john was super disdainful about it. like “how dare people expect payoff, what losers” it was so weird. (he deleted that tweet lol. hopefully someone has a screenshot!)

said that they basically fired jason because quentin didn’t have any story left (then gave his book plots to various characters in S5...) and it would be a subversive move to do to the main character (people were going to write ARTICLES about their very brave, totally new twist!!!), and said that they told him at the end of season 3. after 5x13, their tune changed: jason wanted to leave, this happened at the end of season 4, and so they had to write him out. but john very much wants us to know that he didn’t plan to bring quentin back anyway (“i may have felt the strongest about this” okay john) (x) because it would ruin the message (two parapgrahs later: we wanted to bring the beast back from the dead because wouldn’t that be fun? give the actor a chance to have one last hurrah”). this is also the interview in which they kiiind of change their tune; quentin now “represents the lgbt community” and was in love with eliot, but, uh, it’s actually subversive to kill queer characters because “no one is a protected class when it comes to dying”....... and then he starts talking about covid-19..... the nerve!!!!

after 5x13 (end of april, possibly?) the showrunners were on the physical kids podcast, and john admitted to writing S5 out of spite because of the way the fans reacted to 4x13.

after 5x13 chris fisher said he drew inspiration on how to film quentin’s death scene from.... another example of a BYG scene (person of interest). while in the same breath denying it was BYG. (this was after john’s whole ‘no one is a protected class when it comes to death’ thing iirc.)

sean macquire said (on one of the PKW podcasts) that BYG isn’t an issue anymore because writer’s rooms are so diverse... and then a little while after sera (?) was like “the writer’s room is full of people who look and sound and act like your classic fairy tale hero dude”???

in, i think, late spring of 2020 the show’s clothes and props were being auctioned off. the official TM twitter account made a video to advertise the new trolls movie.... but said nothing of this. lev had to tell everyone about it.

he deleted this tweet but i knowwww someone has a screenshot of this. in july 2020, david reed tweeted: i had no idea how to write fen at first so i panicked and made her thirsty for eliot’s big d. (he was the one who, after 4x05, tweeted that teddy’s last name was coldwater-waugh. knowing what 4x13 was bringing!!!)

this remains ever true:

please everyone, add stuff you remember/that sticks out for you!

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Hi!! ^.^ do you by any chance have the cameo (i think) of Hale Appleman reading in character a passage from The Magicians books. I'm trying to find it for one of my girlfriends but I dont tag hardly anything with useful tags and its biting me in the ass right now.

Thanks!!! 🧡

I'm wondering if you are thinking of this reading by Jason Ralph that destroys me every time. It's so beautiful.

I don't remember Hale reading from the books (though he has talked about using them as reference material before a scene so it's very possible he did). He did read an excerpt from Richard Siken's Snow and Dirty Rain that is also truly devastating.

Seriously, who gave these men the right to be so kind and intimate and heartbreaking?

It's probably not this one, but I was reminded of its existence and Jason Ralph is such a cute bean in it, I had to bring it back.

Hope one of those was what you were looking for!

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Just got my recorded message from Hale in my email and I’m… wrecked. Sorry about the weird format, the original file was a little too big for tumblr. Anyway, here is Hale reading Eliot’s letter to Quentin from the book. If you need me I’ll just be over here Going Through It for the remainder of my life………

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I made some ai generated art for a few of the characters from the magicians (i personally think they match the book counterparts best)

Alice

Julia

Quentin

Eliot

Margo (or Janet)

I had trouble with the others as it didn't like my prompts

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my new favorite way to waste time is to eat an edible and make magicians icons I’ll probably never use also y’all can have these if you want them for any reason go crazy

Bonus:

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The Magicians 3x04

For anyone who feels the same way I do on this lovely holiday.

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Eliot is turning back to the door, and he’s opening it and basically manhandling him through it, which — okay. Apparently is a thing for him as well. He has A Thing for tall guys named Eliot who smirks at him and looks at him and manhandles him through doors. Okay. Okay, he can deal with this. Once Upon A Dream by @inmediasres-1 Collection: Parts of One Whole - The Magicians Soulmate Collection

The Magicians | S01E01: Unauthorized Magic (2015) Why I love Eliot Waugh the unhealthy amount - Reason #9 chronologically

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The magicians as b99 screencaps

Margo:

Quentin:

Alice:

Eliot:

Penny:

Kady:

Julia:

Me, at the end of 4x13:

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Eliot smiled, shuffled his feet humbly for a second and then punched the guy in the face. It took the man by surprise. “Get the fuck out of my country, asshole,” Eliot said. That one was on the level, no magic. He’d been taking boxing lessons, and he got the drop on the guy with an off-hand jab. Probably the Lorian wasn’t expecting what amounted to a suicide attack from some random peasant. Eliot knew he hadn’t done much damage, and that he wouldn’t get another shot, so he held up his left hand and force-pushed the man back so hard he brought six ranks of Lorians down with him. It felt good. Eliot had no children, but this must be what protecting your child felt like. He just wished Quentin could have seen it. The Magician’s Land (The Magicians, #3) by Lev Grossman The Magicians | S02E05: Cheat Day (2017)

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the crew of the U.S.S. Muntjac

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Know that when I’m braver it’s ‘cause I learned it from you.

Does it scare you so much you’d just rather never know? Just leave me in here to die?

I’m a king. Not a goddamn princess. A king.

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ELIOT: Can you imagine Margo putting up with this tedium? QUENTIN: No, not even a little. ELIOT: She’d have blown it up day two. The Magicians | S03E05: A Life in the Day (2018)

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The Magician!AU  1/∞

Julia and Q Buzzfeed Unsolved AU!

Woke up to @kingquentin asking about The Magicians!Buzzfeed Unsolved Au and after my Drunken History saga I had to do this one too! I present to you, Julia and Q talking about their theories of what happen to the chatwins.

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lev is a bad influence

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I’d never posted this on here I realized, but my cameo video of Jason Ralph talking queliot and hale. :)

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monster!eliot from 4x04 in graphite