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[pluralhottakes]

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[pluralhottakes]

where did all this willo hate even come from. are you THAT pissy bc you cant make headmates?

you are NOT pro endo. you're an exclusionist xoxo

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if you got “pro endo dni” because you think they’re “romanticizing” your disorder by being comfortable with their cdd but you have a pinterest board full of mental disorder pride flags, SHUT UPPP

also turning on notifs and shoving my phone up my ass so be mindful of that before spamming hateful replies - ardyn💕💙

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Did you know endogenic systems can be disabled? Did you know endogenic systems can have physical, emotional, cognitive and intellectual disabilities? I'm so tired of seeing people fakeclaim those they don't like.

I need an image of the Mr incredibles guy going "math is math" but the text says "people is people" and no I don't care if that's grammatically wrong, it might make some of you THINK

[pluralhottakes]

PLURALPUNK V.2

Hey there! We're the original coiners of pluralpunk. We first coined this in 2020, and never expected it to get the attention it did. That being said, here's a new post for you all & a flag re-design.

As usual, the full information will always be available on the official carrd, linked in our description. Please link there when explaining what pluralpunk is or uploading it to wikis, since it's the most permanent place to find that information!

(If anyone can add image descriptions, it would be greatly appreciated.)

What is pluralpunk?

Pluralpunk (or plurpunk) is a movement that focuses on embracing one’s plurality and all of its intricacies in a radically accepting way as well as challenging the accepted “norms” of plurality within their own system and identity.

Pluralpunk is:

The rejection of the notion that plurality is inherently unhealthy/a disorder or that a system needs to be “cured” in order to lead a fulfilling life.

Acknowledgement that there is nothing inherently “wrong” with plurality and it is just another way to exist.

Acknowledgement that some may not choose to label their origins or system type while respecting the ones that do.

Freedom to do whatever they please with their system identity, including but not limited to: the name of the system, the names of headmates, subsystems, etc., pronouns, identity labels, and headmate origins.

Radical acceptance and inclusivity of any and all plural experiences - as long as those experiences are not directly harmful.

Inherently accepting, inclusive, and welcoming of endogenic, created, xeno-originated, spiritual, metaphysical, and other system types.

Inherently accepting of disordered and medical systems, including programmed/hc-DID systems, p-DID systems, systems with an ambiguous, pending, or unofficial diagnostic status, and systems with CDDs that are less visible in the community such as OSDD-1a and UDD (if they wish to consider themselves plural).

Italics are all new additions. These are not the only things pluralpunk can be - we invite you to make your own meaning, keeping in mind that is inherently inclusive and striving for a better future for all plurals.

Who is pluralpunk for?

Anyone can use this label, we just ask that you don’t use it to attack others and are respectful of others’ choices regarding their system!

This label was not intended for anti-endogenics, gatekeepers of any kind, radqueers, or other harmful individuals or groups. Your beliefs are antithetical to any punk subculture. While we cannot stop you, know that we do not approve or support anyone using pluralpunk to be exclusionary or harmful.

[pluralhottakes]

Love (/heavy sarcasm) the idea that endogenic systems are the only or main reason people are afraid to tell people they're systems and not like... The huge stigma in society against systems. The stigma that makes people think systems are daft, delusional, and/or dangerous. The same stigma that also affects endogenics.

[pluralhottakes]

This right here.

We have a CDD that has been diagnosed (though we don't think our last therapist put it on record but she did confirm it is the case) and we can control our switches to some degree however if we're super stressed out it gets harder/is a revolving door as the brain tries to find one of us that can deal with the issues at hand.

Just because a diagnosed system has control over switching doesn't mean they're faking, it could be any number of reasons why they can control their switches.

We're tired of hearing people get fakeclaimed over that.

Can we stop throwing diagnosed CDD systems that CAN control their switches at least to some degree under the cringe bus please. We do exist and using our daily experiences as a sign someone is faking 100% of the time is just offensive. Just stop. Please and thank you :)

[pluralhottakes]

It's crunch time!

So everyone, we have been trying to raise 320 to be able to pay for a week, and we're stuck at $100. Payment is due on the room again by 11am.

We have several things to offer such as commissions (art and writing) and editing (need someone to check your writing?) and we still have a 50% off offer on that.

Direct donations are also okay as well.

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[pluralhottakes]

It's crunch time!

So everyone, we have been trying to raise 320 to be able to pay for a week, and we're stuck at $100. Payment is due on the room again by 11am.

We have several things to offer such as commissions (art and writing) and editing (need someone to check your writing?) and we still have a 50% off offer on that.

Direct donations are also okay as well.

You can donate directly to Ko-fi.

cash app: $noxsender

venmo: noxthesynners

paypal: noxjackson1987@gmail.com

We have until 10:45 am to raise the money needed for a week. We're in the Eastern USA timezones.

Please share this like crazy!

[pluralhottakes]

Fakeclaiming (in the context of plurality) often stems from insecure systems projecting their internalised anti-weirdness and pluralmisia onto others in an effort to prove they’re “one of the good ones” to neurotypical society. 

“Weird” people making fun of the “weirder” to be more accepted by the “normals” is nothing new in marginalised communities, nor has it ever been productive. If you are someone who does this, do know that the bigoted neurotypicals won’t like you any more because you threw people who were slightly more different under the bus. You’re still a “weird multiple” who deviates from (and thus threatens) the status quo in their eyes, and the second you present even a bit outside the narrow standard of what they’ve deemed acceptable for those like you, or the second you stop trying to assimilate, they will start hating and invalidating you too. Fakeclaiming is unhelpful and accomplishes nothing, it only creates toxicity and works to marginalise us further. 

[pluralhottakes]

Whenever I see someone saying they “wish they were a system,” I don’t think: “Oh how DARE they try to mock this shit that debilitates me every day!”

I think, “I wonder what in this world could make them feel like they need to have multiple voices in their head.” I think, “Are they lonely..? Did they even have any friends whilst growing up..? Were they neglected..?”

I understand because I also felt this way as a little kid, elementary school age (5-10). **I** wanted to be less alone as a kid, so I created imaginary characters that began to separate and distinguish themselves from one another. While yes, I had some major events of trauma, my trauma was what I thought as “monotonous” or “insignificant.” I just wanted someone to talk to, someone to confide in. I didn’t feel safe telling an adult what I went through, so it was stored in another alter.

You guys are so quick to jump at someone you have no information on in any way. You don’t know how educated this person is on the complexities of DID, and you don’t know what the person went through at all.

Please stop being so harsh and aggressive towards people figuring themselves out.. you would want that grace too..

[pluralhottakes]

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"Endos are invading our spaces!!!" and then the 'endos' in question are literally CDD & traumagenic systems who don't hate endos.

[pluralhottakes]

Wow, this sure sounds familiar

[pluralhottakes]

We're obviously pro-endo and have a lot of headmates who are endogenic, but we do have DID and a lot of trauma worked its way into our formation of our system. Which leaves us in a pretty weird spot in syscourse!

But one of the weirdest things we've noticed is... A lot of the anti endo mindset is completely anti recovery for CDD systems entirely, while claiming to protect them. Often there's the sort of ableist rhetoric that's all about "if you're not suffering, you're not disordered and therefore mocking us or fake".. Which is ridiculous to say the least!

We've seen claims of:

Systems are fake if they're happy they're a system, because if you're happy you're a system then you can't have been traumatised enough to get there.

Systems are fake if they love their headmates in any way, because plurality is a disorder.

Systems are fake if they post "too much" about being happy online, because being plural is a disorder and therefore suffering.

Systems are fake if they never show signs of suffering online.

Systems are fake if they're open about being a system IRL or sometimes at all, because it's a deeply shameful thing.

Systems are fake if they have less amnesia than full-on blackout amnesia, because it's in the DSM.

Systems are fake if they don't dissociate much, because it's in the name of the disorder and the DSM.

And we're here to say that's all plainly incorrect at best. It's also incredibly ableist, anti-recovery and downright harmful to CDD systems who learn they have this disorder, go online for support, and just see discourse and people getting fakeclaimed if they don't show of how much they're suffering online.

Systems can be happy that they're plural. Even if it came from trauma. Why? Well you can be happy that you're any way you are, regardless of how you got there, obviously. But there's also a crucial point here that CDDs and headmates often develop to protect people from trauma. Of course some systems would be glad that they're plural, in a lot of cases it's what literally saved their lives. This goes for the "systems can't love their headmates" thing too--plenty of systems are full of love for their headmates! Not only because they were there for them when it was needed, but because these are--depending on your view--entire people you live with, or parts of yourself. Why are you implying you have to hate that so viscerally to be real?

It's also a pretty well known thing that people tend to post their happier moments online, leading to this perception that they don't suffer. One, because that's how a lot of people work--their personal pages are public after all, and they don't want to be seen as constistently struggling. Two, it's downright dangerous to post in so much detail about your triggers, your trauma and abuse you're currently facing on the internet--even ignoring the fact that you need to be wary of your digital footprint, people can read these posts and use information against you. It's a choice many people make to not hand random people ammo on a silver plate.

Claiming that systems are fake if they're open about being plural in any space is simply ablesim. We've seen this take quite a few times, actually, and it never fails to be some of the most ridiculous ableism we've seen--it comes with a puritan "sweep it under the rug" mindset and the expectation that systems are ashamed of their plurality by default, or that it's simply too dangerous to share. While for a lot of people it is very dangerous to talk about their system so they simply keep that information to themselves, claiming every system should hide it for their entire lives and not expect to be received with kindness, compassion or accommodation is horrible.

As for the amnesia and dissociation... Therapy can help with these! You can actively go to therapy and get strategies to deal with the symptoms that come with a CDD without even going down the final fusion route! You can get it to a point where you have communication with your headmates, where you can switch on command, where you don't dissociate much at all.... You can work toward these goals with the right tools! Why does a system like us who's worked through years of therapy and years of working with ourselves within our own system suddenly get called fake once we start healing?

CDD systems should not have to fit what YOU think a true system should look like. They shouldn't have to suffer on show for you to believe them. They shouldn't have to hide all of themselves away in shame and never have their true selves known. They shouldn't have to pretend they're not recovering to be treated as real. They shouldn't have to feel like they'll be persecuted for simply being happy with who they are as people, or happy with how far they've come.

"Being a system isn't all fun and games" and I'm sure it's not for plenty of people. But do you think it's ok when a CDD system says they love themselves and think their system is fun? Or do you group them in with the endogenics who are "mocking [your] trauma"? Do you really care about people with CDDs at all in that case?

You can say "anti endos aren't ableist because endogenic plurality isn't a disorder" all you like--you're wrong about endogenics not being able to have CDDs by the way, but that's another post--but when you display so much ableist rhetoric toward your fellow CDD systems, I don't know how anyone can see you as "protecting" those with the disorders at all. You can't hide your hatred behind the guise of "protection" when you're harming your own community. You're not protecting us from anyone, you're trying to make us fit into a box full of spikes. It was never about protecting trauma survivors, it was about your personal hatred for others. We shouldn't have to suffer for you.

[pluralhottakes]

I don't get it

Anti-Endos: "Endos are faking or are in denial about their trauma"

*makes an important posts about accepting trauma*

"BACK OFF ENDOS THIS ISN'T FOR YOU"

.... if you think endos are in denial... why the fuck are you excluding them from a post that may actually help them recognize their trauma? You don't even need to mention them. You don't need to include them in your tags. But saying "not for you" or "fuck off" is unnecessary. You ARE including them when you do this. You are including them because you want to shame or scare them off. Yeah, that's a fantastic way to convince those mean ol endos in denial to stop being in denial. /sarcasm

You can speak to a target audience without publicly yelling and tossing people out because *you* think they don't belong there. Just say dni and move on. You are including pointless hate and syscourse in a post that was intended to help *traumatized systems*. I don't care who you think is a system or not. Trauma is trauma.

Yes, this post is a targeted vague. But I see this same thing again and again by anti-endos. Knock it off already.

Positivity and help should not be gatekept.

You can control your content and target audience without being rude or pronouncing your hate constantly towards another group of people. More of you should try it in syscourse. More of you should try it in general.

[pluralhottakes]

anti-endo mindset is literally the most dumb petty shit ive seen in my life. youre deciding what other nd people say to you is either a lie or incorrect because you trust the white neurotypical men who wrote a book about how nd people are to them more than another systems own lived experience. why would the book about ways people can be fucked in the head include a very internal and non disruptive experience as disordered. if you claimed you were multiple people in the past, youd be either labled as a malingerer, or diagnosed as multiple personalities/schizophrenic and locked in an asylum.

and if people say theyre endo but are wrong and are traumagenic who gives a shit. its almost as if the trauma hiding disorder hides trauma. who woulda thunk it. thats literally accounted for in the dsm and by professionals who actually believe patients with cdds.

were traumagenic through mainly emotional neglect and our own early development of ocd. some people wouldnt even consider that ’real trauma’. a lot of people dont consider neglect trauma from how passive it is. and i can so clearly see how someone could just be a dissasociative person just because their brain just didnt happen to develop the way singlets do for neurological reasons.

the brain is a complicated thing with so many ways it can vary. why would non traumatic multiplicity be off the table. why are naturally dissasociative or just plural people such a threat to you.