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Yeah..umm where exactly did this whole “Sokka is the real mom friend” even come? And why is it even a thing? Anyone who’s watched this show would see plainly that that was Katara’s role since literally the beginning.

1. Hatred for zutara shippers because momtara and dadko is a popular zutara headcanon

2. Pretending that atla is more progressive than it is.

3. Z/S shippers trying to make Sokka into a feminist icon, which 1 and 2 feed into as well.

4. Which also is part of: typical fandom misogyny and erasure of female characters in favor of giving their roles to male characters.

It's funny because what I said about Sokka vs Zuko as a house husband is true and in Z/S content you often see Sokka taking care of Zuko but it would %100 be the other way around.

And I've said before that one of the reasons I can't see Z/S as a ship is because I think Zuko would find Sokka's toxic masculinity extremely triggering. Sokka gets better towards the end of the story in that respect but a lot of these stories deal with Zuko pre a more healthier mindset so if we're going to ignore Zuko's character growth, let's be fair about it.

It's also funny that these people think heaping more importance on Sokka for hunting and keeping the schedule and devaluing the things that Katara does, often in the background and often thanklessly, is them being feminists. They're actually doing exactly the kind of blustering over his own importance that Sokka does before he learns to be less insecure, just with a pink veneer instead of a blue one.

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Ship so good, they have their own song ❤️💙

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In Kataang, we never get to see Katara hint that she might return Aang's romantic feelings if there isn’t some external factor pushing her to consider him as a potential partner.

Katara only recognizes Aang as a 'powerful bender' after Sokka explicitly mentions it.

Katara only suggests that she and Aang kiss because that's what they must do to escape the cave. And, since this scene and the cave scene between Zuko and Katara are clearly parallels, I've gotta say something I noticed: after she and Aang (probably) kiss, Katara runs off without looking back, but after she and Zuko share that intimate moment, she looks back over her shoulder (which is clear romance coding)

It's Aang who insists that the two of them dance.

In the final scene, Katara is proudly presented to Aang as his prize for saving the world thanks to good ol' deus ex machina.

The two of them don't have a single conversation, Katara never mentions WHY she still chose Aang despite his previous toxic behaviors and unhealthy attachment/possessiveness. In TSR, Aang forced his own ideology onto Katara even though she needed to explore her dark side and find closure (which Zuko understood perfectly, and some people think ZK is "toxic"... sigh). I get that Aang had good intentions, but he never took the time to understand Katara.

Maiko also has this problem; Mai does care about Zuko, but she’s never been on the same page as him. Even if you care about someone, that doesn't mean you fit together romantically.

Mai never cared about doing the right thing, Zuko grew into a person who did.

Mai's apathy clashes with Zuko's passion and emotion. She doesn't understand him or know how to comfort him, unlike Katara.

Kataang and Maiko shouldn't have been endgame

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I think a reason why bryke makes fun of zutara fans in general besides the obvious, Bryke never thought avatar would be popular with girls. I think the show was suppose to be in their eyes, supposed to be like a Shonen dude bro anime. Basically, it's a cartoon for boys like Dragon Ball and Naruto(not saying that girls can't like the show, but you can tell the differences between anime written for boys and one written for everyone). But then other members of the avatar team, like the writers, had different ideas. Different ideas that help make the show more popular. One of those ideas was adding more depth to zuko' character. And fans loved it. There's a reason Zuko is the more popular male character for a show that's not exactly about him. The writers weren't allowed to mess with Aang, because Aang was brykes self insert character. So they went and gave more depth to everyone else. That's what made the show popular. I'm telling you without that depth, the show wouldn't be as popular as it is. That's why kataang romance is like that, that's why aangs character is like that.

Well, I guess you are right!

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Zuko and Katara: Let's face each other and not tell the others

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Ha ha ha that's so funny to me because in ATLA official YouTube, Zutara moments even longer than every time Zuko uses firebending while he is literally firebender and Aang's Firebender teacher.

Compare with Zuko and Mai moment — Zuko's canon couple. Their moments only 16 minutes long, and most of that time is them arguing.

But, seriously though, some people aren't just consider how often two characters interact to see their potential to be a couple. It's about relationship development.

Let's see Sokka and Yue, or Sokka and Suki. They are not always together throughout the series (Sokka and Yue's moment is only two episodes). But the development of their relationship is well written. I've never read any comments that Sokka and Yue or Sokka and Suki don't make sense because they interact so little.

Oh, does that mean Zuko and Mai have potential even though their moment was only 16 minutes?

I could say yes, only if their relationship development was well-written too. But unfortunately, it's not; they argue more than they understand each other.

I don't understand, why Zutara not making any sense?

Zutara does have the dynamic of enemies to lovers — this kind of dynamic does exist in the story (maybe even in reality?) — of course they hate each other first. But, don't forget the most important thing of how they find a way to understand each other, to trust each other, and to forgive.

They went from enemies to powerful partners who complemented each other. Remember Southern Raider? Remember the time they fought the Melon Lord's army? Oh, and of course, Agni Kai!

That's called relationship development!

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Ha ha ha that's so funny to me because in ATLA official YouTube, Zutara moments even longer than every time Zuko uses firebending while he is literally firebender and Aang's Firebender teacher.

Compare with Zuko and Mai moment — Zuko's canon couple. Their moments only 16 minutes long, and most of that time is them arguing.

But, seriously though, some people aren't just consider how often two characters interact to see their potential to be a couple. It's about relationship development.

Let's see Sokka and Yue, or Sokka and Suki. They are not always together throughout the series (Sokka and Yue's moment is only two episodes). But the development of their relationship is well written. I've never read any comments that Sokka and Yue or Sokka and Suki don't make sense because they interact so little.

Oh, does that mean Zuko and Mai have potential even though their moment was only 16 minutes?

I could say yes, only if their relationship development was well-written too. But unfortunately, it's not; they argue more than they understand each other.

I don't understand, why Zutara not making any sense?

Zutara does have the dynamic of enemies to lovers — this kind of dynamic does exist in the story (maybe even in reality?) — of course they hate each other first. But, don't forget the most important thing of how they find a way to understand each other, to trust each other, and to forgive.

They went from enemies to powerful partners who complemented each other. Remember Southern Raider? Remember the time they fought the Melon Lord's army? Oh, and of course, Agni Kai!

That's called relationship development!

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Zukka IS less problematic than Zutara because they're on equal footings as rulers of their nations. Zutara reeks of misogyny and letting a girl be under Zuko, while Zukka presents them as equals.

No it doesn’t??? lmfao what the fuck even is this, do yall think hakoda has one foot in the grave in atla or what, i promise you that sokka did not become the ruler of the swt anywhere close to the end of the series, if anything it was probably a few decades or more, and i know for a fact most of yall aren’t saying that they waited until sokka was chief before they got together (especially since a lot of zukkas co-opted the SWT ambassador headcanon we had for katara and gave it to sokka instead)

nevermind the strange implication here that world leaders can only date or marry other world leaders or else it’s misogyny????? do you even hear yourself when you speak lmfao like??? is zuko’s dating pool supposed to be restricted to the rulers of other nations, so... what, his options are hakoda, arnook, king bumi, and king kuei?? is that really what you’re trying to say????

anyway, katara being the ambassador and falling in love with the firelord isn’t ‘letting a girl be under zuko’ (we all know katara tops anyway), and any imbalanced power dynamic that exists by virtue of zuko being firelord is going to exist in every zuko ship. it wouldn’t just go away because, in a few decades, sokka might or might not take up the mantle of chief in the southern water tribe.

i’d say nice try, but a) i don’t think you tried at all, and b) you clearly hurt yourself in your confusion. get well soon!

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What are your, Top 5 , Zuko and Katara Moments Are.?

I'm so sorry, you probably forgot you even sent me an ask. It's been a long time since I posted on Tumblr because of some reasons.

Back to the ask, well, I love all Zutara moments, I can't choose! But, I'll try to make a list of my top 5 Zutara moments and the reason why.

5. "I see you've worked things out with your girlfriend." 

I really love June because she has been a Zutara shipper since season 1. She can see their potential than the writers.

In the first season, June teases Zuko, but he ignores her and stays focused on his mission to capture the avatar. Katara doesn't react because she's still proceed what's going on. I get it.

When they meet June again and she teases them again, their responses just like silly lovers.

I mean, just because they are friends, doesn't mean they have to be that embarrassed when June teases them again. Or..., is there really something between them??

Some antis said, Zutara never became something because they were never seen blushing towards each other. But look at their red cheeks in this moment. And this is how exactly teenagers act when they are hiding their feelings for someone, by denying!

Oh, I was their age once and I behaved the same way too with my crush. That's why I like this moment.

4. "I'll save you from the pirates!"

Some Zutara shippers started shipping Zutara since this moment and I can understand why. There are reasons why I put this moment in the top 5 (even beating 'you rise with the moon, I rise with the sun).

First of all, just look at that image! Imagine you're not an ATLA fan, have never seen ATLA, and don't know any of the ATLA characters at all, and then I show you that image without any context, what would you think? It can't be a brother-sister coded, right?

Second of all, Zuko is the villain in this season, but he never steals Katara's necklace. He finds it and keeps it. Then, in this moment, Zuko not only says silly things like "I'll save you from the pirates," but as the villain he's also quite gentle with Katara compared to the pirates.

I mean, Zuko knows the Water Tribe scroll is valuable to the pirates, but he doesn't hesitate threaten to burn it after the pirates say "Enough with this necklace garbage!", like is he just defending Katara's necklace?

Meanwhile, Zuko doesn't even know the history of the necklace and how valuable it is to Katara, but he doesn't threaten Katara in the same way. More than that, after that moment, Zuko still kept the necklace on his wrist!

Also, Zuko says, "tell me where he is, and I won't hurt you and your brother." And he keeps his word, he doesn't attack or hurt Katara even though Katara uncooperative with him.

3. Agni Kai

I think all Zutara shippers will put Agni Kai in their top 5 Zutara moments. This scene is truly epic. This is the final battle, so why did the writers have to put Zuko and Katara together? Why just the two of them? Doesn't it mean something?

Antis always say that Zuko would jump into the lighting for anyone. The thing is, Katara is the only one that likely to be there, not anyone else. Zuko only trusts Katara to help him defeat Azula, he doesn't consider anyone else at all.

The other reason why I love this moment is how Azula calculated to attack Katara to defeat Zuko. She's cunning, I don't think she would attack random people who might not benefit her.

But she knows Katara meant something to Zuko since in the battle at the Crystal Catacombs, Zuko hesitated to attack Katara.

So, when Azula shoots the lightening to Katara, she knows for sure that Zuko would die for her. And he did.

2. Southern Raider

I've always loved the head canon of Zuko and Katara having a deep conversation after they confronting Yon Rha. Something like, Katara tells Zuko about her anger toward Yon Rha, her disappointment in herself that almost became a murderer, anything that makes Zuko understand that violent isn't the answer.

I also loved the idea that Katara asks Zuko about his mom and he finally opening up, including about his scar. And since Zuko took her to Ember Island, he also telling her about his childhood when his family was still happy. Anything that makes Katara sees him with warm gaze when saying "But I'm ready to forgive you."

After their tense journey, I feel like this deep conversation (though off-camera) was needed before Katara accept Zuko with an open heart.

In this scene, I learn that even after Katara gets closure from her trauma, Aang still doesn't understand what Katara needs, Zuko is the one who understands her the most than the others. Well, yes, Aang's words was right, but not because he understands her.

This moment is my favourite because it doesn't need a kiss to build chemistry between two characters. Just a hug, but it shows the depth of the relationship between Zuko and Katara.

1. Crystal Catacomb

The Crystal Catacomb scene is my most favourite Zutara moment, the reason I ship Zutara since I was a kid - I didn't even know about shipping characters at that time.

I mean, look at them! The way Zuko willingly let Katara touch his scar, the way Katara look at him and touch his scar (her thumb on Zuko's lips). Then the music, the atmosphere. That's not a brother-sister code at all!

I don't know how people can say that Zuko and Katara have no chemistry at all when this scene exists.

In this scene, Zuko and Katara understand and trust each other when Katara gives him the water spirit that she has been saving for something important, while Zuko lets Katara touch his scars.

The whole episode is actually about Zuko and Katara relationship development and Aang let go of his attachment to Katara. Is that a coincidence?

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The way Zuko helped Katara find her mother's killer not only made her willing to forgive him, but also gave her closure to the trauma she'd carried since childhood.

That's what Katara needed more than being reminded that she's still just a kid, then being forced to be a mother figure and understand others better than herself throughout the series.

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What do you think of the take that Zuko didn’t really care about Katara or her pain in TSR, he just wanted her to forgive him

I really disagree. If Zuko didn’t care about Katara or her pain at all, why would he go to such lengths to make it up to her and gain her forgiveness? Why would someone care so much about getting the forgiveness of someone they really don’t care about?

Zuko already had the approval of the rest of team avatar. Katara was seen as the odd one out for still being angry at him. She also saved him earlier in the episode when he fell off the air ship by pulling him onto Appa, so her anger at him clearly wouldn’t jeopardize him because she clearly saw him as an ally to protect even though she was angry at him.

Therefore, strategically, Zuko did not need Katara to like or forgive him. The rest of team avatar already had, and Katara clearly was willing to help Zuko as an ally despite her anger at him. And yet still, Zuko really wanted her to forgive him, even telling Sokka that he cared about what she thought of him.

The way Zuko interacted with Katara when they went on their trip in “The Southern Raiders” also clearly suggests that he was invested in Katara getting the closure she needed. He looked personally angry at the Fire Nation soldier they mistook for Yon Rha and also at the real Yon Rha. This level of emotional investment just doesn’t appear in someone who doesn’t really care. Zuko clearly did empathize with and relate to Katara’s pain and wanted to help her get the closure she needed.

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I saw a post on #kataradeservedbetter where they talked about certain Kat@angers or Zutara antis giggling about Katara threatening Zuko in the Western Air Temple, like: "hahaha, she would totally kill him, she hated him so much", but agreeing with Aang that it would devastate Katara if she had killed Yon Rha.

This is something I noticed as well, and I agree with @oxyintelligent and the anon who asked them: Those people are just Aang stans who like Katara as a love interest for him, but nothing more. What is fine in general, but not if they claim to be Katara stans who have the best interest of this character at heart.

She was threatening Zuko in order to protect Aang, so when her intentions are Aang-focused it is totally fine. Though, facing her mother's killer, who caused her severe trauma, and MAYBE killing him is something completely different. Why? Because Aang said so. This is neither Aang-focused nor -approved.

And, of course, Katara was also listening to Aang when she spared Yon Rha because she can't make decisions on her own, it is either evil Zuko or good Aang (so, the men) who have an influence on her.

And telling Aang very clearly that she'll never forgive Yon Rha doesn't matter to them. No, they say something like: "I'm sure she did forgive him, anyway." Not only that. Suddenly what Zuko says—who is soooo evil, mind you—counts: that violence wasn't what she needed. Because, you know, as strange as his comment is, especially right after Katara indeed has been violent towards the leader of the Southern Raiders (and showed no regret): he said that Aang was right. Again: Aang-focused or -approved.

It is also very telling that I haven't seen ONE Zutara shipper who claimed that Katara should forgive Zuko, even though it would go against the ship if she didn't. And not one who couldn't understand her righteous anger towards him until she forgave him right after their field trip. Don't say there aren't any, it is just very telling how many Zutara antis I've seen doing so in comparison. And this is another thing: Would she have forgiven Zuko falling in his arms out of gratefulness if his intentions really were that selfish and dark? Again, those people don't listen to her.

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The way Zuko helped Katara find her mother's killer not only made her willing to forgive him, but also gave her closure to the trauma she'd carried since childhood.

That's what Katara needed more than being reminded that she's still just a kid, then being forced to be a mother figure and understand others better than herself throughout the series.

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Love is brightest in the dark (and we shall guide you to the light)

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If Zutara happens, they will still be best friends with Aang because he is not a threat since Zutara's chemistry is stronger.

While when Kataang happens, they have to keep Zuko and Katara away. In canon, the writers don't even have old Zuko and old Katara meet at all to avoid interaction between them.

And Mai, she is also not a threat because... well, Zuko waited all night to asks Katara's forgiveness right after seeing his girlfriend get in trouble with Azula for helping him. Is that love??

Antis: Zutara shippers don’t like Maiko because it stands in the way of their ship, and they ship Taang to get Aang out of the way for Zuko.

Nah, I don’t like Maiko because it feels forced, toxic and got me confused during my first watch (ntm that my ship started with The Southern Raiders, so after their break-up, anyway), and I ship Aang with Toph because of the swamp vision, the challenging of each other and the chemistry.

I neither consider Mai nor Aang to stand in the way of Zutara, since I don’t think it would happen or at least last, realistically. For the same reason, I don’t think Mai or Aang would be a danger, which needs to get out of the way if Zutara would happen.

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"Eww...Zuko and Katara are like siblings. Why would you ship them?"

Yeah...because siblings are often used for ship baiting

Meanwhile Kataang...

But Zuko and Katara are supposed to be the ones with the siblings vibes?

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Antis be like : Nah, it's not chemistry at all, just coincidence!

The creators be like: let's add as many cinematographic techniques to make this scene as romantic as possible

The classic "Noooo..." when a character is about to lose a loved one

The slow-motion

The soft music followed by a close-up reaction shot of their eyes

Their hands reaching out for each other

One character holding the person who got hurt/risked their life for them