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Are you @sensory-spam?

no, but I am very sad their video was taken down, it'd be a great resource for the current 'system' community

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IMO the online DID and OSDD-1 community are at best misinformation and out of date. At worst, straight up dangerous (promoting conspiracy theories, misinformation, lack of critical thinking/proper research). The infighting over what terms are "correct" isn't that surprising to me (I see it with LGBT+ discourse). The misinfo/over focus on specific experiences (such as sourced alters) is eh, I'm not surprised as most online communities will misportay a disorder. But the thing that gets me the most is the RAMCOA term shit (and also citing PAPERS THAT 40-50 YEARS OLD THAT ARE BY 2 SPECIFIC GUYS THAT USE FUCKING MPD, that's just bad researching).

RAMCOA isn't even the "correct" term by medical standards, it's OEA so WHY are we using an outdated term. The terms were also not "made for survivors", it was made for conspiracy theorists (as RAMCOA and OEA were originally SRA and the ISSTD proposed a "connection" between DID and SRA). Not to mention the community says how "polyfragmented DID" is "only" from SRA/RAMCOA (it's not, Kluft cites a 90% incest trauma history for complex MPD, SRA is 36%). At best, people are just getting misinformed and out of date information. At worst, they're falling into conspiracy theory shit that not only harm other survivors but also Jewish people.

NOT TO MENTION, the origins of alter programming nonsense are from alt-right people (Cisco Wheeler, Fritz Springmeier). The RAMCOA professionals DO NOT give a flying fuck about you, they want to abuse and convince you your family members were part of a cannibalistic satanic cult. And even the term "deprogram" has sinister origins (as in the people who promoted it kidnapped people). NOBODY bothers to do a hint of fucking research all because they want their "precious survivor terms" THAT WEREN'T MADE FOR THEM. I'd rather someone browse goddamn Wikipedia to understand DID because at least it fucking cites shit in an unbiased manner alongside stating controversies.

the internet is just full of people who repeat things they've heard from other people instead of fact checking

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As someone who healed from DID, I do care for those who actually have it. Very rude of you to imply that I don't care for schizophrenic people, also, considering I am married to one. And in the long term, snapping out of delusion that forces you into a community full of people who keep feeding it, and a community notoriously full of paedophiles and groomers, is always going to be better than letting someone continue like this.

I don't get what faking being "international" has to do with this, I'm not implying it's exclusive to one country or another. If it was up to them to decide if they're wrong, they would never and this community is proof of this. a bunch of teens who wanted to fake a system at 11 and are too afraid to own up now.

Systems aren't real in general, I do believe you're all just faking it and copying off each other. None of you have Ever spoken to an actual, diagnosed system in real life because they are rare and you all have 900 mcyt or roblox alters.

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Good idea! Be sure to be gentle about it, though, as undiagnosed schizophrenics and/or people with cluster B disorders don't take reality checks well, you have to make them comfortable before you challenge their worldview or you may plunge them deeper into the delusion, or in the case of cluster Bs, they'll feel the need to lie more to 'defend' their faking. These people might be fakers but they are still mentally ill and need a safe space to begin healing.

Systems aren't real in general, I do believe you're all just faking it and copying off each other. None of you have Ever spoken to an actual, diagnosed system in real life because they are rare and you all have 900 mcyt or roblox alters.

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Systems aren't real in general, I do believe you're all just faking it and copying off each other. None of you have Ever spoken to an actual, diagnosed system in real life because they are rare and you all have 900 mcyt or roblox alters.

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Systems DNI.

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being a "singlet very interested in systems" to finding out you ARE a system pipeline is real

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I could never, in good consciousness, recommend the system community to anyone who is just discovering their CDD.

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Maybe this would've been an "empathetic, niceys uwu" take 10 years ago but with how widespread DID is, whenever I see people going "I wish I was a system.." (especially minors) I think, oh, what do you wanna do that you've learnt you would be punished for but systems can get away with. What argument do you wanna win where being a system will lend you opression olympics points.

because 13 year old kids are undeveloped idiots, and they will get yelled at for going by, lets say for example, an asian name, because that is cultural appropriation and wrong, but they'll see someone with an "asian alter" do it and its fine. So they will pretend they have one too. Monkey see monkey do.

I don't think I have to tell anyone that glorifying attention seeking behaviours in children is bad, as a diagnosed histrionic.

Whenever I see someone saying they “wish they were a system,” I don’t think: “Oh how DARE they try to mock this shit that debilitates me every day!”

I think, “I wonder what in this world could make them feel like they need to have multiple voices in their head.” I think, “Are they lonely..? Did they even have any friends whilst growing up..? Were they neglected..?”

I understand because I also felt this way as a little kid, elementary school age (5-10). **I** wanted to be less alone as a kid, so I created imaginary characters that began to separate and distinguish themselves from one another. While yes, I had some major events of trauma, my trauma was what I thought as “monotonous” or “insignificant.” I just wanted someone to talk to, someone to confide in. I didn’t feel safe telling an adult what I went through, so it was stored in another alter.

You guys are so quick to jump at someone you have no information on in any way. You don’t know how educated this person is on the complexities of DID, and you don’t know what the person went through at all.

Please stop being so harsh and aggressive towards people figuring themselves out.. you would want that grace too..

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Endogenic systems remind me of those people who like to be all organized, and then say things like "oh, haha, I'm so OCD!"

You're not OCD, you're just glorifying the parts of OCD you recognize and romanticize to fit into your personal aesthetic. You just want to be quirky and turn real mental disorders into a silly little personality trait.

You don't have a CDD, you're just glorifying the parts of OSDDID that you recognize and romanticize to fit into your personal aesthetic. You just want to be quirky and turn real mental disorders into a silly little personality trait.

"Oh, well duh, I don't actually have OCD. I just like to keep things neat and organized, and because people with OCD are super neat and stuff, I just say things like 'I'm so OCD.' It's an innocent comparison!"

"Oh, well duh, I don't actually have a dissociative disorder. I just feel like I have multiple personalities, and because systems also have multiple personalities and stuff, I just say that 'I'm a system' too. It's an innocent comparison!"

By continuing to say you have OCD like this, you're watering down the severity of the actual disorder. Less and less people take real OCD seriously because you, and others like you, are turning it into a "person who likes to be organized" disorder. You're taking a trait that you admire from people with a mental illness, and instead "rebranding" it to fit your idea of a person with OCD. You don't actually know the struggles they face. You are causing serious harm to the entire OCD community by making comments like these.

By continuing to say you're a system like this, you're watering down the severity of actual dissociative disorders. Less and less people take real systems seriously because you, and other endos like you, are turning it into the "having alters" disorder. You're taking a trait that you admire from people with a mental illness, and instead "rebranding" it to fit your idea of a person with CDD. You don't actually know the struggles they face. You are causing serious harm to the entire system community by saying you're a system.

"I already told you, I'm not actually saying I have OCD!

"We already told you, endos aren't claiming to be disordered!"

You're still calling it OCD. You're still saying you have it when you're just a perfectionist. Your experience is not the same.

You're still calling yourselves systems. You're still using system language. You're saying you have alters—that you have hosts, protectors, caretakers, gatekeepers (ISHs in general), introjects, persecutors, etcetera. You're using terms that were initially used to describe parts in disordered systems, when you're not disordered. Your experience is not the same.

I guarantee you that syscourse wouldn't exist if endos stopped calling themselves systems and tried shoving themselves into spaces they have no place in. If they stopped claiming that they were systems that just had a different origin, there wouldn't be so many pissed and hurt antis. I'm not personally even convinced that anything close to non-disordered multiplicity is possible (especially seeing there is no real, scientific proof of their existence whatsoever), but that isn't what this post is about.

I know this is Raven's blog but we share a brain, so I'm allowed to borrow their soapbox for a post or two.

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Endogenic systems remind me of those people who like to be all organized, and then say things like "oh, haha, I'm so OCD!"

You're not OCD, you're just glorifying the parts of OCD you recognize and romanticize to fit into your personal aesthetic. You just want to be quirky and turn real mental disorders into a silly little personality trait.

You don't have a CDD, you're just glorifying the parts of OSDDID that you recognize and romanticize to fit into your personal aesthetic. You just want to be quirky and turn real mental disorders into a silly little personality trait.

"Oh, well duh, I don't actually have OCD. I just like to keep things neat and organized, and because people with OCD are super neat and stuff, I just say things like 'I'm so OCD.' It's an innocent comparison!"

"Oh, well duh, I don't actually have a dissociative disorder. I just feel like I have multiple personalities, and because systems also have multiple personalities and stuff, I just say that 'I'm a system' too. It's an innocent comparison!"

By continuing to say you have OCD like this, you're watering down the severity of the actual disorder. Less and less people take real OCD seriously because you, and others like you, are turning it into a "person who likes to be organized" disorder. You're taking a trait that you admire from people with a mental illness, and instead "rebranding" it to fit your idea of a person with OCD. You don't actually know the struggles they face. You are causing serious harm to the entire OCD community by making comments like these.

By continuing to say you're a system like this, you're watering down the severity of actual dissociative disorders. Less and less people take real systems seriously because you, and other endos like you, are turning it into the "having alters" disorder. You're taking a trait that you admire from people with a mental illness, and instead "rebranding" it to fit your idea of a person with CDD. You don't actually know the struggles they face. You are causing serious harm to the entire system community by saying you're a system.

"I already told you, I'm not actually saying I have OCD!

"We already told you, endos aren't claiming to be disordered!"

You're still calling it OCD. You're still saying you have it when you're just a perfectionist. Your experience is not the same.

You're still calling yourselves systems. You're still using system language. You're saying you have alters—that you have hosts, protectors, caretakers, gatekeepers (ISHs in general), introjects, persecutors, etcetera. You're using terms that were initially used to describe parts in disordered systems, when you're not disordered. Your experience is not the same.

I guarantee you that syscourse wouldn't exist if endos stopped calling themselves systems and tried shoving themselves into spaces they have no place in. If they stopped claiming that they were systems that just had a different origin, there wouldn't be so many pissed and hurt antis. I'm not personally even convinced that anything close to non-disordered multiplicity is possible (especially seeing there is no real, scientific proof of their existence whatsoever), but that isn't what this post is about.

I know this is Raven's blog but we share a brain, so I'm allowed to borrow their soapbox for a post or two.

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Friendly reminder that declaring your blog a "safe space for systems of all origins" makes your blog explicitly not safe for trauma survivors. Allow sheep and wolves, and you'll only end up with wolves.

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you know what, as a recovered irl-diagnosed person with DID I straight up believe everyone in the online system community is faking it. I have met a grand total of 3 people who are also diagnosed, 2 of which ended up being misdiagnosed schizophrenics, and the one other real system was also a non-american who survived Hell and near death in a certain region of eurasia and left survival mode only after they emigrated, like me. 99% of you are americans that mommy didnt love enough who needed to feel special.

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System spaces should be more accepting to people who aren't able to find happiness in their disorder.

PwDID don't have to be miserable, that's obvious, but it's still a disorder. There needs to be some level of distress whether it's just not liking the dissociation or hating every aspect of your life because of it. System spaces online are so focused on the "fun" parts of DID. So many think that if you struggle because of your DID and you don't have anything good to say about it, you're just focusing your "validity" on how miserable you are. DID is caused by trauma, it's not going to be easy for everyone to just look past the bad parts or not let it get to them.

Spaces made for a disorder should be accepting to people who struggle with the disorder.

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generally the idea is that endos should not have their own tags, since they really just shouldn't exist. And even then, endos often steal cdd terms for their tags and then shit and cry when a Real system uses said tags. You can't say plural was "coined" by an endo, plural was been part of the english language longer than kids pretending to be systems, and has been used by people with Actual DID way longer.

perhaps this is a 'hot take', though i feel as if it should not be. if you are actively anti-endo and using the endo tags to 'piss them off', you are, in fact, a hypocrite. do not complain how endos are invading our cdd spaces to then be invading the one's that are actually theirs. i fear i thought this was simple common sense; but apparently not.

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" i love being a system !! its so fun and i love my headmates and everything is great !! " so close you're literally not a system .

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every "fictive heavy" system under 18's alter list looks like this;

skye - he/they - host - hiii ;^; im skye im the host i love popular media and minecraft and soft nice things but im a bit edgy... please interact

[fictive of some loser 20 yr old guy] - he/him - heh... i dunno what to write here, im so cool and dont get this system thing but i like [media hes from] and [hobby he has in source]. but im just a normal guy. heh.

sans the skeleton - he/it/they/bone/femur/megalo/blue/paw/rawr/fibia - im sans the skeleton kiddo. i love my brother kiddo.

and they always have syscourse dni in their pinned