#anti endo

[sysboxes]

[Text: This system won’t always clarify who’s fronting, but doesn’t mind being asked.]

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[elliebunniiee]

‘ur exactly like your source’ die die die die die die die die die

[system-hottakes]

I feel like number names shouldn’t be a way to basically display ur trauma. I understand they’re only for RAMCOA victims but it’s honestly just dangerous imo

honestly we don't think they're only for RAMCOA victims, singlets use number names all the time, why is it different if an alter uses it? As long as they're not mocking the name I think it's fine. And I agree, having number names be RAMCOA only is very dangerous, it reveals their trauma to people, which can expose them to those who wish to take advantage of them

[antiendovents]

absolutely anti-endo bc trauma is required, but some of you forget about healthy/functional multiplicity and the fact that it proves there are non-disordered systems.

they're not non disordered.. they still have the disorder they're just better at managing it. (At least that's what I've heard, since DID/OSDD is a life long disorder after it has been developed). Yes they've healed, but they still have the disorder, they just no longer have all the symptoms / their symptoms are more managed. This is like saying someone who has gone through final fusion isn't a system, I guess they technically aren't anymore, but they still have DID/OSDD and still have the ability to split at any point if their brain feels necessary..

Also when people refer to "non disordered systems" they're talking about endos who claim to not have DID/OSDD yet somehow are still a system, not healed systems. I really don't understand the point you are trying to make here

Like correct me if I'm wrong, but surely even if you've healed you still have the disorder???

[anti-endo-haven]

I do find it a little ironic that endos say they remember their trauma then when you ask if they'd like to share they get upset, or when you ask to meet an alter. I asked to meet one and the person blocked me

Never EVER ask someone for their trauma AT ALL. I do not care if they’re an endo or not, that is wrong on so many levels. They do not owe it to you and it doesn’t need to be shared. It is personal. You don’t need to know everything about a person.

You do not even ask systems to meet an alter, that isn’t how it works and accept the person who is in front for being there.

You cannot have behavior like this anywhere. At all.

Do not ask for trauma to be explained or talked about, do not ask to meet an alter. AT ALL.

Do not behave like this to anyone.

It is wrong to even endos, it is wrong to people that have trauma. You DO NOT have this behavior to people.

[tavgr0ss]

being a system is so funny like. oh something really shitty happened. well time to not know who i am for like a week lol!!!!!!

[systemuserboxes]

[alt1; userbox reads "this system doesn't force source separation"]

[alt2; userbox reads "this system doesn't force source separation"]

[alt3; userbox reads "this system doesn't force source separation"]

[alt4; userbox reads "this system doesn't force source separation"]

[cdd-system-terms]

Internalizer

[pt: internalizer. end pt]

requested by no one

An internalizer is a headmate who holds negative internalized feelings. These feelings are often internalized ableism, homophobia, transphobia, but they are not limited to just that. These headmates will often be pessimistic because of this role.

This internalized feelings are the result of abuse and/or conditioning done to hate these specific groups of people.

This role doesn't excuse shitty behavior or any intentional hate towards this groups.

recoined from pluralpedia

[antiendosystemterms]

Absent system

A term for a system that has lots of absent alters.

((term made by us. Flag made by us.))

[sysboxes]

[Text: This fictive misses their chosen source family.]

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[delphientropy]

this term was created by an anti endo, and would prefer that NON-traumagenic systems and their supporters do not interact or use this term.

SIBTECTOR / SIBSHIELD

[pt. sibtector / sibshield. end pt]

an alter whose role is to protect or take care of the body's younger family, such as siblings or cousins!

term and flag both coined by me

[system-hottakes]

i dont like people calling insys romantic relationships "self love"

the two fictives making out behind me in headspace are not the same person man. sorry.

yeah,, sometimes we do it to ourselves as a joke but we don't like when other people do it to us, especially without asking. Like we're very different people, do not assume we're the same person

[antiendovents]

abt discussion "is functional multiplicity a way of being non-disordered system?" if no one minds, am gonna add my opinion too.

functional multiplicity isn't non-disordered way of being system. it's like remission / recovery.

when you have some chronic condition, you can manage it and feel fine. you can show fewer symptoms or don't show them at all. but you still have this condition.

if you are on meds for arthritis and don't have active inflammation now, you still have arthritis. you may still have some impairment of damage that was already made. it may flare up. your meds may stop working or start working worse. and your symptoms will return.

also, if nothing of above happens, your life, needs, and experience are not the same as life, needs, and experience of people without arthritis. you need your meds to feel good. you need to go to appointments. you need to be careful with some things. you have different risks and so on.

and also. you have experience. you know how it feels. you know what it is. your life was changed by having arthritis, and you don't lose this experience when your symptoms leave.

so same with osddid. if you reached functional multiplicity. you still have some symptoms (having alters is a symptom). you still may split more alters, get more amnesia, get more other dissociative symptoms. and you still have experience. very personal-forming experience, don't know how to word it better. your brain doesn't work like singlets brains. your alters (in functional multiplicity case) aren't like singlets parts of personality. you can't close this door and unteach your brain to dissociate, split, create amnesia barriers. you also can't erase trauma from your brain development. (early life trauma makes HUGE influence on brain development, and even not only brain but the rest of the body too).

osddid is a super complex experience. it's early trauma. it's very specific experience of not being singlet, of not having singlets personality. it's alters (if we talk abt systems). it's amnesia (not always). it's dissociative symptoms. it's cptsd. and more and more and more.

it's super complex, super influencing. endos often see osddid like "cool dudes in your head and nothing more", and it's offensive exactly because of these reasons. because osddid is WAY more. and functional multiplicity is not "cool dudes in your head and nothing more" too. it's sad, but there's no such thing as "cool dudes in your head and nothing more".

that's why people don't lose osddid diagnosis when reach functional multiplicity.

sorry for being long, boring, and complicated.

nod, nod. That's what I thought, I'm glad to have others agree. Even once you've healed and reached functional multiplicity you still have alters, which are a symptom, and probably a few other symptoms too, which means you have the disorder. Even with final fusion, you're still disordered because your brain can always split again, since splitting is a coping mechanism that cannot be unlearned

[cemetery-drive-sys]

I love how botw / totk and wind waker both use cell shading, it's so cool and it shows how versatile it can be. Wind waker is more cartoony with less details and bigger areas of a single color for the shading, but in botw / totk it's a lot more detailed. You can really see it in link's hair (left), it's just so interesting to me i love it sm :3

I also love how in ww they put Link's facial features over his hair, ww link is the most expressive one we've gotten so far and it really makes it more noticeable and charming

I love loz :3

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[anti-endo-haven]

I hate endo neutrals, they're basically pro endos but are too afraid to say it. Most of the time they're just defending endos left and right, just say you're pro missinformation and harassment and stop making us waste our time. /nbh

(I know some endo neutrals that are that but they refer to syscourse neutral, I'm not talking about them /g)

Yeah, the ones this say they’re endo neutral (not syscourse neutral, those are two separate things) are always defending endos or pro endos.

I don’t like being on the fence about people that cherry pick from a disorder and then want to claim that they say they’re a non-disordered system while endos have now claimed to say they are “Endogenic DID” which doesn’t exist.

It is either trauma related or there is something else making you believe that you are plural. Trauma has to be there.

You cannot be a “non-disordered disordered system” as that is not how it works.

There are some endos that say they are just plural without claiming OSDD or DID, yet there are some that do.

I’m expecting endos to come hounding this as well because… why wouldn’t they? I’m speaking against them and they don’t like that.

But if you’re gonna be on the fence about a group of people that actively cause harm both on and outside of the internet, just say you support them. If you’re taking their side even when they’re known to harass anyone that speaks against them, just say you support them.

[systemuserboxes]

I, as a common introject, thank you so much for not boiling us down to 'doubles'. I really appreciate it. We are never our sources and acting like we are is so harmful. Thanks for making this a fully safe space.

No problem! We have a few introjects that really don't like being referred to as doubles of people, so we kinda get it! It's really harmful to act like someone is their source, whether their source is problematic or not! I also believe that the whole doubles thing just isn't true, because like, everyone processes sources different ways, so even if the introject was "exactly" like source they wouldn't be the same as an introject from a different system who was also "exactly" like source because they'd probably interpret the source differently! If that makes sense?

But yeah! We want this to be a safe space for everyone no matter what!