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A thought occurs to me...what exactly is the difference between Athena using Diomedes as a misdirection to stab Ares after he wounded Aphrodite and 600 Strikes?

There was probably a smarter way to word that title but yeah. While I was browsing Tiktok I found a creator (who I won't link because Naruto Shipping was a bad enough fandom war to get into) who had issues with 600 Strike, namely that it doesn't make sense, puts the blame on all of the 600 dead men on Poseidon rather than Odysseus, and...stabbing a god with his trident is something that makes no sense.

All of which is very true...but it got me thinking...is it really that much different than that moment in Book 5 during the Iliad where Diomedes brazenly leaps to stab Ares...before Athena, wearing an invisible helmet, redirects the spear in Ares's gut causing him to scream an entire army's worth of pain, because Athena is her, even when she's demanding a city be wiped of the planet for not winning a beauty contest?

Well...let's see the difference.

Odysseus uses a windbag to do...something that weakens Poseidon (it's never made clear what he does to beat Poseidon) which gets him in the position to teach Poseidon how it feels to feel helpless and know pain.

Where as in the Iliad, Diomedes fresh off the high of stabbing Aphrodite goes to stab Ares after he kills his friend and comrade Periphas with Athena's suggestion (so points for something a logical follow through).

Odysseus decides to go full on crashout against a primary Olympian because, the debate as to whether or not Odysseus should've, if not killed Polyphemus, then at least not dox himself in front of him notwithstanding, he killed 550 of his men and indirectly killed the rest by making it so the only possible way home would be putting him on a path where he'd kill the rest indirectly.

Diomedes however decides to stab Ares because he was mad at his friend dying and was told by Athena to do it even though this story was written during a time period in which these gods were seen as real and sacred figures and committing hubris against one was an unforgivable sin and the right move would've been to run the fuck away (point for Jorge and Epic the Musical for character motivation).

Odysseus actually stabbing Poseidon was him literally beating the ocean and making Poseidon pay for drowning his men and finally having a fight where he wins with pure brutality and just...goes to town with his trident and every stab was personal.

Diomedes meanwhile is little more than a distraction for Athena wearing Hades's Helmet to do the actual stabbing and was the one who actually got the spear in Ares (I'll give one point for Jorge for being metal and a point for Iliad for being logical in story for how one would stab Ares...have an equally badass goddess wearing an invisible helmet do it).

After Poseidon is done being tortured Odysseus gets a bold one liner and goes home, after a nice thorough rat extermination of course, to his wife and son.

Diomedes meanwhile goes home to find his wife cheating on him with his friends son and gets banished from his home with no god helping him because...Aphrodite is also that girl. (points for consequences)

Poseidon gets one weak line to Odysseus "After everything you've done how will you sleep at night" and just...disappears from the play.

Ares gets Zeus calling him the most evil god...in a pantheon that has Eris, Apollo, Enyo, and Momus before he gets bathed and healed and appears in the story again.

...So yeah there are some differences but the main thing that binds them is that...why get mad at Epic for making Gods fallible and beatable by mortal hands when Homer was doing it back when these gods were considered real? It was different one can say but the fact that Diomedes didn't get his spine used as a back scratcher during the Iliad and further books needed to show how royally he fucked up by pissing off Aphrodite and how uncaring Athena and Hera were to protect them after they got what they want kind of tells it.

If you ever want to blame media for showing Gods as tyrannical douches that need to be beaten, don't blame Epic, don't blame Record of Ragnarok, don't even blame God of War...blame Homer.

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I found this passage on Athena being an auntie to Phobos and Deimos!

It seems that when Ares is busy, she takes them to the battlefield for him lol

Ah thank you for finding that passage, guess that everyone ironically likes the Horror Twins

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New Spongebob Game!

(Plus as a bonus it's plot it's Neptune/Poesidon, King of the Seas, getting stalemated by a Ghost which in turn adds another example to my 'Poseidon Gets Folded Like Laundry Outside of Myth') (The Others being God of War, Epic, Record of Ragnarok, and...2 Spongebob Movies, Oddly enough.)

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Me thinking about Record of Ragnarok...

Me: No...bad brain! Stop thinking about Record of Ragnarok you know it butchered the characters of so many mythological figures...

Brain: True true...but what if Vlad the Impaler and Ivan the Terrible fought Phobos and Deimos in a tag team match~

Me: No...

Brain: Or if the Undertaker fought Thanatos and a Tombstone Pile Driver was aptly named.

Me: Stop it right now!

Brain: Or if Eris and Enyo fought Olga of Kiev and Elizabeth Bathory (either individually or in another tag team match)

Me: I hate you so god damn much!

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I like her

Two down, eight more contenders to go!

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A fun fact about Different Beast~ Sound travels further in water than in air so those poor sirens screams were probably heard all across the ocean and gave every single ocean monster "I am Legend" amounts of trauma.

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Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: Ancient Greek Religion & Lore Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: Rape/Non-Con Characters: Ares (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Alcippe daughter of Ares (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore), Halirrhothius (Ancient Greek Religion & Lore) Additional Tags: Implied/Referenced Rape/Non-con, Good Parent Ares, Short One Shot, Implied/Referenced Character Death, Implied/Referenced Torture Summary:

Halirrhothius learns a harsh and painful lesson with Ares as his teacher after his encounter with his daughter.

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Go team Thrace

Pop culture: "poor Sparta, they are so misunderstood because the Athenians are meanies"

Thrace:

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A thought occurs to me...

Remember when I described Epic the Musical's Calypso's Island (I know the name but I don't know how to spell it) as the Ship of Theseus of Dubious Sexual Consent where in Calypso was basically waiting out Odysseus until he finally gives in and joins in her bed (with the dubious part being that Calypso couldn't let him leave since Poseidon and Zeus are keeping him there not (just) her). Well...what if at the end of "Lover's in Paradise" Odysseus was just on the edge of giving in to Calypso and allowing himself to bend, maybe rationalizing that Penelope and Telemachus are dead so...what's the harm in starting a new life with Calypso...then he sees Penelope's face and flashbacks to every memory they had together and realizes that he nearly betrayed his wife and that he's close to breaking, to which he responds to this realization by...nearly throwing himself off a cliff and praying to a goddess he's burned bridges with. So...yeah Lover's in Paradise just got more horrifying because Odysseus nearly broke in more ways than just one.

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Epic the musical art dump !!

Havent posted here in a bit so i thought id pile up my art into one post for funsies ! as you can tell i recently got into epic ,, i love it dearly ,,,

several drawings / designs i made in my style ! (guess who my favorite is,,,)

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Get in the Water and 600 Strike in a Nutshell

Poseidon: You shouldn't have been a hubristic mortal Odysseus, Olympians always get what we want, and I command you to GET IN THE WATER!

Odysseus sprouting out of the water with a windbag jetpack

Odysseus: Start digging in yo butt, twin.

Poseidon: What? WHAAAAAT?

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TASHA NO!

Making Ares not antagonize his grievously injured and mentally fragile sister, level impossible.

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Hi, hey, I'll jus drop her here idk, I'm still unsure about her design, i might change it, idk, dont bully me.

The smoking thing was my lil sibs idea.

Here's how she looks standing.

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A thought occurs to me...

If Zeus really wanted to cause the Trojan War to Thanosify the population...why didn't he just ask Ares, Athena, and Aphrodite to do it and save everyone awkward dinners at Olympus and hurting Eris's feelings?

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"As for her, she had just returned from the palace of mighty Zeus her father, and was sitting down in the house as Ares entered it. He took her hand and spoke thus to her : ‘Come, my darling; let us go to bed and take our delight together. Hephaistos is no longer here; by now, I think, he has made his way to Lemnos, to visit the uncouth-spoken Sintians.’" Homer, Odyssey Book 8 267 Yeesh, what the fuck did the Sintians do? *Le Googles Sintians*

Ah they were considered pirates and raiders? And apparently natives of Lemnos? Also in another translation "uncouth-spoken" is synonymous with "barbarous" which is something I remember being synonymous with "does not speak Greece?" So the answer my question is...they don't speak Greece.

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I went on this tangent just to show Ares, a God who most people would say, regardless of what definition of the word you use, is a barbarian god calling another group of people barbarous...have fun with this knowledge.

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I mean...it makes sense.

Athena and Nike

So I’ve been wanting to explore Athena and Nike’s dynamic for awhile now. This is mostly a joke rather than an actual representation of their relationship but it was kinda funny to make. This is also obviously in an Epic timeline rather than a general greek mythology one since this would be post God Games.

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A thought occurs to me...

tw: Discussion of SA (even by greek mythology standards)

Epic!Calypso's Island is to sexual assault what the ship of Theseus is to identity metaphysics*

Like OG Mythology Calypso is unambiguously a predator, PJO Calypso is cursed, but Epic!Calypso and her island is the set up for a string of perfectly aligned things for the textbook case of dubious consent.

Like in Epic!verse Calypso is trapped on her island alone, but isn't cursed to fall in love with Odysseus she's just incredibly lonely, it's implied that Calypso couldn't let Odysseus leave even if she wanted to (and even if she's could or wanted to Poseidon is waiting for Odysseus the instant he gets anywhere far from the island), she never sexually touches him (as helpfully confirmed in Athena's and Hera's disco sequence), but that's because it's implied to outright stated that a few years, a decade, maybe even a century will break even Odysseus down to where even he will eventually sooner or later go into Calypso's 'loving embrace'. Now thankfully we never get an answer as to where Odysseus breaks until Athena plays Zeus's morbid game for his freedom.

But I in turn have a question for you all...If Athena never rescued Odysseus and he eventually broke down and fully submitted himself to Calypso after a...century of living on her island (and didn't get to succeed in killing himself because Calypso had eyes on him 24/7 ever since the first time). Would that be sexual assault?*...Also I'm sorry..

*Which I totally knew what that was before watching WandaVision