So I’ve been into Sam and Max for a few weeks now and learned some stuff about the making of the cartoon, more specifically that whole thing with how Max was apparently supposed to be genderbended, which got me thinking.
Ok so first off, the context of what I’m talking about : in an interview, Steve Purcell talked about the show and mentioned how the Geek was a boy at first, which prompted the executives to ask for a female character, specifically requesting for Max to be a woman. The interview is on youtube, with the video called “Steve Purcell on Sam & Max”. And between the title and what is said, I’m assuming the guy talking is indeed Purcell.
The reason why it got me thinking is due to a comparison with two other cartoons, “Pinky and the Brain” and “Darkwing Duck”.
Thing is, all three cartoons have that same theme of two guys working together, with a lot of gay subtext put into the mix. But there’s one thing both PatB and Darkwing have that Sam and Max doesn’t : a woman that serves as romantic interest.
In PatB, you have Billie for Brain and Pharfignewton for Pinky. As for Darkwing, you have Morgana as a love interest for Drake.
(Funnily enough for PatB, both relationships have some gay subtext. Billie and Pinky have similar personalities, making it look like Brain fell for a “girl Pinky”, while for the second relationship, Pinky calls out people’s intolerance everytime he gets questioned for liking a horse, preaching that love is love.)
But in Sam and Max, there isn’t a single character that fits that role. Sure, you can have a woman showing attraction to the boys there and there, but it’s never something that drags on for the whole episode, let alone the show.
From what I remember, the closest we got to that was that “Honeybunny” secretary, and even this led to a joke about Max thinking Sam is talking to him, followed by the secretary seemingly making a move on Sam with Max immediately jumping in-between them. And her appearance at the end of the episode doesn’t lead to anything either.
(Reminder that I’m only talking about the cartoon here, hence why I’m not mentioning Mama Bosco in S2. Tho, even then, the whole dialogue with her is the duo trying to convince her that Max isn’t interested. And even after making Max act straight, you can talk to him afterwards and he comments on how it’s only going to last a month before he’ll “be back to normal”. So she’s not much of a love interest either. Also side note but Max calling his lack of attraction for women “him being normal” is absolutely amazing, especially coming from an early 2000s game !)
My point with this : while I know they wanted a female character for representation, the fact that the executives saw this show’s idea and asked for one of the titular characters to be turned into a woman definitely feels a bit sus.
Tbh, when I first heard the interview, a few days afterwards I forgot that the executives were the ones who asked for female!Max and for a moment thought that they asked for more “female companionship”, only for Purcell to show up with the idea of making Max a woman. And while this isn’t how it happened, it would’ve been very funny.
Like, imagine someone is making a show with gay subtext between the main duo, so you ask the creator to make a female character (*wink* *wink*), only for the creator to come back with one of the two guys genderbended. Because fuck it, if these guys have to be in a het relationship, it will be with each other !
Thinking about it, the fact that the executives asked for female!Max might actually make it funnier. I mean, imagine you pitch a show with two male leads that has some gay jokes here and there, and instead of saying “give one of them a girlfriend or something, this is the 90s !”, the executives basically went “wanna make their relationship even more explicit ? :D”
No because let’s be honest here, had they gone through with genderbending Max, and given the amount of subtext this cartoon has (if you can call it subtext honestly…This is plain text at times), Sam and female!Max would have absolutely been an item. Or at least a lot of cishet of the time would have assumed them to be.
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Behold: My oldest consistent worldbuilding project! It turns 4 in October.
So this is Oremus. It's been a LONG time in the making; the season labels are just whatever season the set of countries celebrates most (the people in it use the region names kind of like hemispheres). It's an alien planet full of deerlike people, with two suns, and every 6 years it switches between which sun it orbits around.
This all happened because I was bored at work one day and had just watched Mary and the Witch's Flower, and decided I wanted a flower like that, but rose gold. So I build an entire planet around it (with a LOT of help and tinkering from @doin-a-heckin-science) and worked with it over the years and...yeah. Here we are!
Its language is still a mess. I need to conlang for it, but that effectively means conlanging an entire history to make it all work. So that's...going to take awhile. But I have everything else, for the most part, done; magic, politics, alien biology, regional ethnicities, everything.
Bonus content, here's my skin tone reference map for when I'm making characters for it:
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you know what, i don't wanna do formal intro posts (i will…… eventually). meet the new pjo kids. like this & i'll come to your dms for plots. click their name to be redirected to their pinterest board for a vibe check.
ceader oliver simmons.
son of cupid. 26 y/o. retired legionnaire, finished his tenure four years ago. name was misspelled on the birth certificate. homeschooled since birth by a crunchy mom. now a silky bitch. anger issues of a mars kid.
cyrene kelsey kamel.
daughter of khonshu's avatar. 22 y/o. legionnaire in her fifth year of service. college athlete: hockey player at iowa univeristy. died at 6 y/o but was brought back by thanatos & osiris. also has the anger issues of a mars kid.
garnett noëlle alaska.
daughter of skadi. 22 y/o. legionnaire in her second year of service. college athlete: figure skater at iowa univeristy. immune to the cold. super sweet & super lazy. shortens her middle name to masculine spelling.
spencer stetson sanders.
son of athena. 25 y/o. goes by his middle name. montanan cowboy. former chess champion. co-parent to a 6 y/o named savvy w/ his ex-gf. need a conversation starter, mention his daughter.
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