#Monkie kid Theories

[ninja-knox-ur-sox-off]

I can't believe only now am i just realizing that biased flashbacks vs real unbiased flashbacks in monkie kid are animated differently

Any biased flashback is all told with still frames, stylized art, or only the main people in the memory moving while everyone else is still in the background

Think Shadowplay, think Azure Lions narration using the scrolls, think LBD's forced flashes of the future and past to Monkey King and Macaque, think DBK's story of the Samadhi fire.

All of those are either stylized, still frames, frozen figures, or sometimes all three.

Whereas the unbiased, real flashbacks are fully animated in the usual style. The opening of New Adventures (s4 ep2,) the beginning of The Samadhi Fire episode in season 3... they're animated like usual episodes. Everyone is always moving, things are always happening, expressions are changing, all that kinda stuff.

I KNOW THIS IS OBVIOUS I DIDN'T MAKE THE CONNECTION UNTIL NOW JUST LET ME HAVE THIS

[justeclotilde]

Thoughts on LEGO Monkie Kid, pacing, and season 5

I’m taking this from Twitter, but basically this thread about “Say something BAD about the show Monkie Kid” came up and my biggest gripe so far has been :  The show has way too short episodes. Like, 11min30. And tries to do SO MUCH in those 11min30 that either somethings get scrapped (DBFamily but not just that) or big important elements get solved way too fast (Samadhi fire and broken scroll among other things). And it steams I think from the fact that the show went from episodic to serialised while keeping the same amount of time. 

I ramble :  I see a lot of newcomers say that they jumped s1 and 2 and really started with s3/4, and while everyone has their reasons I think that’s silly Because that format is what made me love the characters and settings in the first place. The episodes are short, so the show can only focus on a tiny thing, but sprinkled LBD being a menace throughout the season, with the spider gang being a menace. And now ? lBD is still reveared as one of the best villains, and Spidergang is still very appreciated. Same thing for DBF : Red Son was slowly developed through s1, and returned on s3 Granted he wasn’t in s2, but since he was a major part of s1, and the spider queen special, we grew to care about him and the family to an extent. Because that’s what the show is good at ! Characters interactions, character personalities, CHARACTERS !! And now, the show is going for serialised, which is great and maintains attention, but it wants to do too much with the same amount of time: - In s2 : LBD took 10 ep to build her mech. MK started slowly to grow, and his relationships were explored one ep at a time. Slowly. - In s4 : we lose SWK, MK meets Azure, we learn about Tang, Pigsy and Sandy through their ancestors, we start to question MK’s existence, Monkey MK, the scroll is a menace, Azure betrays the group, MK loses his mentor and morale, DBF is important but scrolled, the JE is defeated and BAM world explodes we have to kill God in 4 episodes now. 

Granted for the characters as well it feels rushed. We don’t have to see everything either. Of course. They have a life outside the show. And overall they did a good job in those 11 bloody minutes 30.

But

But

But.

Now that we have a bit of breathing room, maybe it’s time to have that character moment by episode we’ve been asking for instead of cramming feelings and heartfelt conversations in an episode while the world is teared apart outside. Especially since we’ve seen the characters go through hell for a whole season. MK needs to breath but he isn’t the only one. We could have an episode on Red Son and his time in the scroll, an episode on MK going monkey a whole episode, an episode on SWK and Macaque in coloc, an episode on Tang Pigsy and Sandy trying to get back to their lives since they’re the most normal of the bunch - technically (cuz apparently having episodes focused on them in s4 wasn’t enough to have conversations about it but that’s a gripe i have with the community for LATER). We could have SWK and DBF reminisce on their time together, since DBK is one of the last friend that doesn’t QUITE hate him anymore, or an episode on how Nezha starts rebuilding Heaven by himself while keeping the JE power safe, or an episode on Mei just being awesome honestly, like just Mei observing MK going insane and being the girlboss she is, especially since she went through the whole “excess power that could kill everyone you love” and is still living with that, in a way. That could answer where the Samadhi fire business went. Cuz like in real life some things are tamed but don’t disappear, she might still be struggling but has learned to live with it. And MK is going through a similar path. We could also have Red Son in this one since he’s honestly the most controlled in a way.

And through all that… discretly… the world starts to break apart again ? Tears appear and with it new monsters and ghosts of the past maybe start seeping from the Underworld ? Maybe an unmasked man tries to prevent Mk’s attemps at coming back to some normal because as long as he’s confused and scared he stays the Harbinger of Chaos ? Idk ! TL:DR A lot of critics I see sum up as « They should show this more, why did THIS disappear out of nowhere, this is wasted potential », which seeps from the show not having time to show all that happens at once. Maybe it’s time to take a breather and tackle the problems one at a time again, ep by ep, like in season 2. And then go back to « We’re all gonna die in 4 episodes » to get the panic back on track.

Anyway Please come talk to me about the show and your theories, or headcanons about what the characters are doing now that the wreck of S4 has rolled past them. I wanna talk about my babies some more...

[guwix]

I still won't stop obsessing that Ao Lie is not visible at all. They didn't even show his face in the intro until the last one.

[pandapenguinnn]

Bone demon!Mk

A small doodle of Bone demon Mk cause I’m obsessed with that Au now lmao

[beanyboobee]

Soooo I see alott of people talking about Macaques powers and why he uses shadows, so I offer to yall my own little idea on why he uses shadows and dark matter,

Season 3 spoilers ish???

Seeing as he himself is dead. It would not he far fetched to think that he is no longer a living thing. That he is just a ghost in physical form. That he has the power to become solid and well- not solid at will. I started thinking this with how he pops through walls like a ghost.

Lady bone demon did resurrect him. But it may be possiable that she could not bring back his physical body.

The dark mass he controls is simply due to all the bad energy that was around the time of his death. But we also see that he still had the same powers when alive so maybe not. Eaither way it's just a fun little theory. That perhaps this while- disappearing through the ground trick is new on top of his usual powers.

Because as we saw during the final battle. He had to reach into himself to pull out power to defeat lady bone demon. Was he using his own soul?? Why did he have to reach in to pull out this power. And how could he just reach into his chest if he was really brought back to life?

[aj-agreste]

I'm not really a fan of the whole "Macaque is a clone of Wukong" theory because I prefer Macaque to be his own person separate from Wukong. Also, despite looking very similar, they still have different physical features, which doesn't fit the definition of a clone. Also, they don't share all the same powers like all the other monkey clones do.

I could see someone saying that Macaque being a clone would explain his obsession with Wukong and why he's so tied to him. But you have to remember that they were best friends and then Wukong abandoned and possibly killed him. That's reason enough for anyone in that situation without mixing in clones.

However, if the show were to go down this route, I think I would prefer if Macaque turned out to be Wukong's shadow taken form. Like one day his shadow started talking then out popped Macaque. Wukong then has a "brother" that not only looks like him but also can keep up with him in power. Honestly, the only reason I'm entertaining this theory is because of this moment in the S3 Special:

Yeah, this made me pause and think, "Is Macaque made of shadows?" Granted a lot of random things were happening in that last battle. But I'll try to give the writers some credit here and believe this was intentional.

At the end of the day, it all depends on how the writers execute their dynamic and history.

[crispyjudgeskeletonneck]

МК является заменой для Нефритового Императора

С сам��го начала сериала и до момента 3 сезона меня смущало то, что МК свободно разгуливает с силами Короля Обезьян и никто бровью не повёл. Ну то есть… Либо Нефритовый Император наступает на те же грабли, что и в случае с У-куном, либо я не знаю что.

Представим ситуацию:

Спустя 1000 (неточно) лет после событий Путешествия на Запад и "усмирения" Короля Обезьян, вдруг появляется какой-то смертный пацан и приобретает способности Укуна. По-хорошему Нефритовый Император должен был бы сразу же отправить стотысячное войско на него, поймать и также заточить (ну или отобрать силы как это делали некоторые злодеи), но небожители ничего по этому поводу не сделали. Возможно, они ещё не знали про МК, но ведь Чанъэ знала о нём и даже является его фанаткой. Да и Нэчжа не очень удивился, увидев МК. Значит небожители всё это время знали об МК. Они не вмешались не когда напал ДБК или Паучья Королева. Они не стали расспрашивать Укуна почему он ищет огонь самадхи, а единственный небожитель что вмешался — это Нэчжа, и то он это сделал, чтобы никто не получил огонь самадхи.

И все 3 сезона я задавалась вопросом - Кто такой МК? Ничего о нём не было сказано, даже настоящее имя. Хотя я парилась насчёт его китайского имени - Сяотянь. И нашла два значенья:

1) перевод имени "Маленькое Небо". О нём было сказано в Википедии по ЛМК.

2) (я не уверена правдиво ли это) имя означает "Ревущие Небеса".

У МК есть интерес к космосу. Например, в спешле про Паучью Королеву он, зная о божествах и где они в принципе обитают, почему-то подумал о космосе (может так просто для юмора сделали). Или, например в серии про Чанъэ, он очень радовался тому, что он наконец полетит в космос. К тому же интересно то, что, когда небо начало разрушаться, МК начал чувствовать слабость и его форма мигала с обезьяньей на человеческую.

В 4 сезоне нам стало чуть-чуть известно о происхождении МК. Его создала богиня (предположительно Нюйва). По легенде говорилось, что Нюйва лепила людей сначала из жёлтой глины, эти люди носили высокие статусы в обществе (тот же император). К тому же к месту с камнем МК перетащили когда с учения Укуна у патриарха Суботхи прошло 50 лет (не знаю, может Суботхи и во времени перемещаться может?), то есть создание МК было уже когда Укун приобрёл свои способности, и если МК создан из его энергии, то это объясняет наличие у МК этих способностей.

Но если МК был создан ещё до заточения Укуна под гору, то зачем его создавали? Если я правильно перевела, то в 10 серии 4 сезона Император говорит, что ему недолго осталось. То есть он знал о своей смерти и не подготовил приемника или у него не было подходящих кандидатов? В одной из Википедий я прочитала, что Нюйва является дочерью Нефритового императора, а ещё у него есть дочь по имени Чжинюй (кажется) из легенды про "пастуха и ткачиху". Тоесть из кровных наследников у него две дочери (Фуси под вопросом, я не знаю кем его сделают в ЛМК, братом или мужем Нюйвы, если они вообще появятся) и Эрланг (племянник). Первые два варианта отпадают, так как в Китае часто власть передавалась от отца к сыну, а Эрлан не походит, так как является на половину божеством (есть вероятность, что тело не выдержит силы) и к тому же возможно всё ещё точит зуб на императора за инцидент с его матерью (император заточил свою сестру под гору за её союз со смертным).

И если всё-таки Нюйва является дочерью (старшим и самым сильным ребёнком) Нефритовому Императору, то возможно он сообщил ей о своей будущей смерти и сказал сделать ему преемника, который смог бы выдержать всю его силу. Может первым вариантом был Укун, но он был слишком неконтролируем хоть и довольно сильным. Тогда решили создать МК, но при этом использовав энергию Укуна когда он уже владел своей силой. В романе гора своего рода колонна, поддерживающая небо, так как она образовалась сразу после разделения неба и земли и наверняка вобрала в себя всю их энергию. Не зря на самой вершине там целый алтарь обустроен. И оставили там статуэтку, чтобы та набиралась энергии, но как нам показали статуэтка была повреждена и непонятно из-за чего. Есть два варианта:

Это был тот в плаще кто он у меня так же два варианта или это десятый король ада или это Дух Северной Звезды, так как он предлагал Нефритовому Императору воспользоваться Укуном в своих целях, но после заточения Укуна под гору Дух Северной Звезды пропадает и даже не упоминается. Возможно его либо понизили в должности после инцидента, либо выгнали с небес и тот узнав о приемнике Императора с силой Укуна и решил воспользоваться его силой, а если он завоюет трон императора, то он бы указывал МК что делать, а тот бы выполнял всё.

Это мог быть Эрланг. Узнав о том, что Нюйва создаёт ещё одно потенциально опасное существо ещё и на основе сил Сунь Укуна, он решил помешать ей и в итоге повредил статуэтку думая, что помешал появлению существа, но прогадал. Нюйва узнав, что МК «родился» она решила запечатать его обезьянью форму и спрятать среди людей, выбрав при этом переродившихся паломников в надежде, что в их окружении МК вырастет хорошим человеком.

[theeviltwinduh]

I’m so very afraid that wukong will make MK think he’s worthless when/if they fight but l’m way more scared at the idea of him being completely silent because lbd doesn’t want him to talk for some reason and she’s taunting MK by saying things like “if only you were a better successor then maybe you could have saved him from his eternal silence” or something like that

[imminent-danger-came]

Sun Wukong Knew About MK the Whole Time: A Theory

I am currently hyped up on leftovers and iced coffee, so let's do this!

I've talked about this before, here and here, but I think it's finally time I wrote an official post. You can go and read those posts if you want to (I definitely hit the nail on the head with some of this stuff), but I will be compiling a lot of what I said on those posts here!

So. Let's get the Mr. Elephant out of the room first: The David Breen Tweets. (thread here).

I see this tweet mentioned a lot whenever I bring up SWK knowing about MK, and honestly, this is a far cry from the "it's been confirmed that SWK didn't know" definite answer everyone's been implying.

So let's break it down!

#1: "Monkey King ain't the father"/"Monkey King isn't his dad." Well of course! Being born from a stone means you don't have any parents. I see it like this: Wukong isn't MK's dad, but he's also not NOT MK's dad, it's a secret third thing (creator and creation). Or, perhaps Wukong didn't help create MK at all, but he at the very least was involved in the circumstances that lead to MK being created/being born from the stone. (Aka eldritch abomination MK theory. My Beloved. Okay sorry.)

#2: "Monkey King was ripping his way through memories looking for MK, but kept coming back to the stone. He doesn't know why." So, while Wukong was ripping through memories, he didn't know why the scroll kept spitting him out by the stone. This is not a confirmation that Wukong didn't know about MK and his origins. It also begs the question: how did Wukong know MK was in the scroll to begin with? There's also some speculation to be had about why Wukong was so desperate to find MK to begin with:

MK: "Monkey King did this?" Macaque: "It looks like he's been tearing his way through his past—trying to find his way to.." MK: "Me."

(4x11 A Lifetime of Mistakes)

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What was he so afraid of MK finding? Or, what was he afraid the scroll would force MK to experience? I think these are questions worth asking.

#3: "Wukong's trying real hard to leave the 'not being open with MK' days behind after s3. Problem is he's got lifetimes of info to catch them up on." Well, this one is a DOOZIE. One: we already know MK doesn't know everything about Wukong and his choices because he doesn't know Wukong killed Macaque (thank you 4x11). Two: "trying real hard" and "successfully doing" are very different things. And three: YOU DON'T JUST DROP INFO LIKE "Hey, did you know you're a Monkey Demon?" ON TOP OF SOMEONE RANDOMLY. Especially not MK. You have to prepare them for it.

Wukong is trying to do better and be better for everyone around him, but that still takes work. That still isn't easy. He's still going to make mistakes, which means he's not going to always go about being open with MK in the best way.

Sun Wukong: “Point is, mistakes happen, but so long as you leave the world in better shape than you found it, then it’s all good. Right?”

(4x01 Familiar Tales)

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This scene—to me—feels like Wukong is trying prepare MK for his eventual "Hey did you know you're a Monkey Demon?" conversation he wants (and needs) to have down the line. Yes, SWK is trying to be more open with MK, but he's also just not going to be given that chance before the truth comes out.

MK: "Yeah right, if Monkey King really was my dad don't you think he would have said something by now?" Mei: "Yeah...because he's normally SOOOOO forth coming with information." MK: "Well uh, whatever—when we find Monkey King's stone, then we'll just ask him!"

(4x05 Court of the Yellow Robbed Demon)

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Notice how they never asked Monkey King that question? From a writing standpoint, why bring this up at all if it wasn't to imply that (even if Monkey King isn't MK's dad) he wasn't involved with MK's creation in some way?

ANYWAYS.

NOW THAT THE BREEN TWEET THAT HAS RUINED MY LIFE IS OUT OF THE WAY, let's get into the evidence given to us throughout the entirety of the show. Starting with this:

This isn't a scene that takes place during the "A Hero is Born" special, as I'm sure plenty of people have noticed before now. Of course, this could have just been Monkey King "scouting out a successor", but with everything we know now doesn't that...feel kinda weird?

We were told at the beginning of the show that Monkey King gave MK his powers, but now we know that's not true. MK has had his own powers this whole time—and that's something Wukong, at the very least, knew:

Sun Wukong: "Listen kid: You fought demons, and you didn't die, and you made it here! Not just anyone can lift my staff, but you did." (1x00 A Hero is Born)

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MK: "This whole time, I thought my powers came from the staff! Sun Wukong: "The staff's just a big 'ol stick bud! It takes someone special to lift it." (3x03 Smartie Kid)

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There's also 1x09 Macaque, which I have mentioned before:

Macaque: "Ohohoh no, can't you hold the magic staff anymore? Well, you know what that means—there really isn't anything special about you. You're just a kid with a heavy stick."

This scene is then followed by MK lifting the staff, which only happens because Wukong encourages him.

MK: "Ugh, I can't! I'm not strong enough." Sun Wukong: "Kid! We're definitely going to have words later, but it's time for the Hero Stuff!"

(1x09 Macaque)

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Ultimately, Wukong knows MK can lift the staff again even after Macaque supposedly stole all of MK's powers. He knows MK can beat DBK (more on that later). He does something similar to all this in 3x14, being the one to let MK face the Lady Bone Demon, powered by the Samadhi fire, alone (even after Pigsy tries to stop MK):

Wukong want's to protect MK. That's why he went to face the Lady Bone Demon alone in the first place—but here, he let's MK stop the end of the world all by himself. Why would he let his beloved student face not only LBD, but a reality ending flame alone?

Because he knows how much power MK has. Because he knows MK is capable of doing it.

This all brings me to my main point: If before now we were supposed to believe that Monkey King gave MK his powers, and he so clearly didn't, how would Wukong not know he didn't give MK powers. And because he clearly knew he didn't give MK any powers, why would he not question where this kid's insane level of power came from? He had to have "chosen" MK to be his successor for a reason right?

ESPECIALLY because Wukong never planned on being a mentor in the first place:

Sun Wukong: "I know I can never make it up to you. Honestly, I- I never thought I'd live as long as I have let alone be someone's mentor—turns out I'm not very good at it. I guess what I'm trying to say is...I'm sorry MK. For all of it."

(3x14 Destiny Fulfilled)

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This was also alluded to in 3x05 Amnesia Rules:

Pigsy: "Of COURSE you don't remember the kid—one day you are going to grow up to be a terrible mentor!" Sun Wukong: "Ha! Zhu Bajie, can you imagine me teaching someone? HA!"

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So, Wukong clearly didn't ever want to become a mentor, and this directly contradicts what Wukong says to MK in "A Hero is Born":

Sun Wukong: "You're perfect!" MK: "Perfect for what?" Sun Wukong: "To be...my successor!"

Honestly, think about it: has Wukong ever once actually needed a successor? When given the opportunity, he goes off and tries to handle things on his own anyways (Leaving in s2, wanting to go and reforge the Samadhi Fire on his own, going to stop LBD alone). It's the classic "we're being told one thing and shown another" trick.

Sun Wukong: "No no no- in case you forgot I'M retired, you're the one supposed to be taking care of the bad guys." (1x01 Bad Weather)

Even in 2x01 he's lying:

Sun Wukong: "Aw, come on bud! I promised myself that when I found a successor I'd go see some friends, take a tour of my old stomping grounds, just cut loose you know?" (2x01 Sleep bug)

It's proven in the next episode, and by the fact that all of his friends are dead/gone, that literally nothing he said here is true.

And, it's also note worthy to point out, that by this point Wukong had already disappeared for hundreds of years. Why step in again at all? Why put the effort into getting a successor you definitely were never prepared to have?

MK: "*sigh* You think Monkey King ever felt like this? Maybe that's why he stayed up on this mountain, just having a good time with you guys. You know cause- cause he knew he'd be out of the way where he couldn't hurt anyone he cared about." Macaque: "Or, he was doing his usual Wukong thing and being a lazy peach eating idiot. Ignoring all the worlds problems.

(4x09 Roast of the Monkie Kids)

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So, I don't know about you, but I'm going to trust Macaque's insight on this. I'm not sure Wukong ever planned on coming back. Sealing DBK, he effectively cut off one of his last ties to the world (please go read wlw-wukong's thoughts, they are delightful), and he had already left the world alone for a long time. Why did he feel the need to train a successor now?

The simple answer is this: because he knew he needed to train MK and teach him to control his powers, and DBK's return was the perfect way to do it.

NOW. THE S4 MK VISIONS.

So, the visions MK see's all through out s4 (4x03, 4x04, 4x05, 4x06) are of Wukong ripping through the scroll and going to the stone—David Breen confirmed that himself in the above tweets.

Here's a list of what we see:

(4x03 The Great Tang Man)

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(4x04 Pig Napped)

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(4x05 Court of the Yellow Robbed Demon)

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These are what I would say are the visions of Sun Wukong trying to find MK in the scroll. Yet, they are distinctly different from what Subodhi presses MK to remember ("Tell me of your childhood, your parents." "You do not remember?" "And what else?"):

(4x06 Show Me the Monster)

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Look at that difference!

Every vision MK has includes the same scenes, except this one. That's why I think it's a memory; that and the way it's framed, with MK closing his eyes in focus. The other visions from 4x03, 4x04, and 4x05 all are unprompted, being forced upon MK. Why make this last "vision" so different from the others? Why show our mystery lady making the stone monkey? That would be because it's a memory—be it MK's, something from the scroll, or a mix of both.

There's also the matter of like, why Wukong going to the stone would trigger any sort of vision in MK to begin with. Overall, it just seems like there something more to those visions.

This would be how I imagine the general timeline playing out:

MK is created (through help of Sun Wukong), a beautiful baby boy pops out of the stone, and Sun Wukong "loses" that beautiful boy (if Wukong knew he was born to begin with) with MK finding his way to Pigsy's.

Then it's later Sun Wukong finds MK again, coming up with a plan to make MK his "successor" (still leaving MK with Pigsy, which I think was the right call lol). As Wukong says in 4x01, "You make ONE mistake, and no one ever let's you live it down! Looks like the ghosts of my past have finally caught up with me." That's what I think this parallel in particular is really trying to show off—in some way, MK is part of his past mistakes, just like Macaque is.

AND SO. I WILL CLOSE OFF THIS THEORY POST WITH EVERYTHING WE LEARNED IN THE SPECIAL.

Sun Wukong: "Heh, nothing gets under his skin more than a monkey. Leave Azure to MK and me."

(4x12 The Plan Man)

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Sun Wukong: "Kinda embarrassing for the Jade Emperor to have two little cheeky monkeys running circles around him the first day on the job." MK: "Well, one monkey and one unconfirmed, but *laughs* yeah! I'd be embarrassed for sure!"

(4x13 Rip and Tear)

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Wukong sounds suspiciously confident that MK is a monkey.

Not even MK is sure what he is (which he's probably just in denial, but also "Until I know what I am, what my destiny is?" from 4x08 anyone?), but Sun Wukong is extremely certain about what MK is.

Sun Wukong: "We got this bud. Would have liked to give you some new training with your monkey form, but-" MK: "Oh yeah yeah yeah- uh um- about that— um. I- I was thinking, I've never really needed a scary new monkey form before, so, I just thought maybe I'd use it next time." Sun Wukong: "Next time? Kid, there might not be a next time! This is the time."

MK: "It's be fine! Mei and I have got this awesome new armor and everything! You know, when we look this good? Ain't nothing gonna beat us." Sun Wukong: "Kid. New armor isn't going to cut it! We have to hit Azure with everything we've got! You can't just ignore this whole part of your power because it scares you!"

(4x12 The Plan Man)

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If the writers were trying to highlight the fact that Wukong didn't know, this scene would have gone very differently. Instead of "You can't just ignore this whole part of your power because it scares you!" I think it would have been more along the lines of "I know this is new for all of us, but you've got to accept this part of your power!".

Even this exchange at the end of the special raises some alarm bells for me:

Pigsy: "Heh, don't bother. I've been telling him that for years but he LITERALLY never listens." Sun Wukong: "Yep! That's how we roll."

(4x14 Better Than We Found It)

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That's how "we" roll? As in him and MK, as two monkeys? Again, Wukong is surprisingly chill and okay with this new form for someone whose first interaction with it was supposedly this:

MK, writhing on the ground in pain, completely destroying the world around him, and unable to control his powers.

Sun Wukong: "Yeah! Go MK, go! Just try not to totally wreck up my stuff would ya-"

(4x13 Rip and Tear)

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Overall, it gives me the impression that Wukong already knew what MK was before 4x07. This new form didn't scare him because he always knew that's what MK was. MK, to Wukong, is MK! And MK has always been a Monkey Demon. He has unshakeable faith in his protege, and even while MK is absolutely tearing up the world around flower fruit mountain he can't help but cheer for him.

After all, Wukong knows MK is the only one who could defeat Azure:

MK: "Ne Zha's right—while Azure has the Jade Emperor's power and the scroll, there's NO way we could beat him head on!" Sun Wukong: "I mean, some of us could beat him! *ahem* One of us, specifically-" MK: "Nope! None of us at all."

(4x12 The Plan Man)

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"But Imp!" I hear you say, "Wukong was talking about himself here!". To which I would reply, that's not true! This scene is right after Wukong has already said he only almost beat the Jade Emperor:

Sun Wukong: "But don't worry—I almost beat the Jade Emperor single handed once! Between both of us, Azure doesn't stand a chance." (4x12 The Plan Man)

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Between this and Wukong's pre-fight convo with MK ("We have to hit Azure with everything we've got!"), he's clearly banking on MK using the full extent of his powers to win this fight. Wukong isn't banking on his own—if he were, he would never have left MK to go and collect the scroll pieces during their fight with Azure.

Conclusion

Sun Wukong knew MK was a monkey the whole time, lol—and fate has plans for MK. Great plans, or foul? Time will tell.

And Wukong has done his best to ensure that those plans are great.

[violetjedisylveon]

That's where I think Erlang has been through all this, he's patching things up with his nephew Liu Chenxiang and missed his uncle dying, how convenient for Li Jing.

[cherllyio]

Yea sure, in Season 5 they just have to "search for 5 magical stones".

Searching for "possibily world ending artifacts", has never gone wrong in Monkie Kid!

right?

(they arent gonna copy season 3, they are super talented so they wont do that. Im just saying the... CONNECTIONS are there)

[ninja-knox-ur-sox-off]

ALRIGHT! WELCOME BACK TO ANOTHER ANALYSIS/THEORY

So I was talking to my sibs about the fact that in season 3, it oddly enough, seems like Mk is getting his powers back faster than Monkey King is, even with the meditation stuff this Monkey’s doing, which seems odd.

One of the first lessons Monkey King teaches Mk after the pilots in episode 1 Bad Weather is that “In order to have full control of your powers, you need self confidence.” And not just the flashy kind, not just the talking louder so you feel bigger, but like, true belief in yourself and your abilities. 

Along with the often repeated “Just believe in yourself and you can do anything” saying he’s so fond of, which literally was the first lesson he ever taught Mk in the pilots. But what if that’s literally it. 

What if the strength of Monkey King’s powers is based almost 100% on how much he believes in himself, (coupled with a lot of practice and mastery ofc because self-confidence comes from mastery) which could attest to what comes off as blind confidence sometimes and might seem frustrating to other people when he seems to refuse to admit he can’t do things. Because as long as he doesn’t admit that, he can do those things. 

In Journey to the West there’s a moment when someone drops a mountain on him again and although right after being freed from the initial Mountain he was imprisoned under, which he literally picked up and chucked the moment he was freed from it, but this time his self confidence drops like a stone monkey in water (severe PTSD WOO) and he cannot lift this mountain. They have to go get these other spirits to come help lift it off of him because Monkey King is trapped. 

The moment he gets trapped in his own head too much, it’s over. 

(Disclaimer: I’m not saying this is actually what happens in the book as far as the reason he wasn’t able to lift the mountain, do not take this as fact or reference I just thought it was a neat detail that seems to kinda tie into this theory, but it is just a neat thought thanks.)

The next bit here could just be a storytelling choice, but I find it very interesting that both times when Mk looses his powers, the first thing the other party does is beat down his self-confidence. 

When Macaque is working to take Mk’s powers, instead of building Mk’s confidence, he tears it down with the whole making Mk feel like he needs to surpass expectations to prove himself and succeed

along with changing his belief in himself and his skill, to his belief in Macaque and his teachings. 

“What? But last time I couldn’t even hit it?” 

“Totally. But since then you’ve had me teaching you.” 

Macaque never builds Mk’s self-confidence, he redirects it to himself. Believe in me. I’m the only reason you’re succeeding. You’re a weapon trained by ME. 

“Don’t you feel stronger?” 

He pushes Mk to do things before he’s ready so the self-confidence just isn’t there. 

And then once Mk chooses to put his trust in Macaque instead of himself, that’s when the rest of the seal is filled (also cause power usage obv) and when Macaque finally swoops in to steal his powers. 

The Lady Bone Demon literally gets inside Mk’s head. 

Makes him doubt his mentor and shakes his belief in himself and then beats him into the ground when he’s at his lowest and when his confidence is shattered she takes his powers one by one. 

With Macaque, all Mk had to do was remember he wasn’t a weapon, Macaque’s training wasn’t what defined him, regain a bit of that confidence vibe while Monkey King never wavers in believing Mk can do the hero stuff despite the fact he’s fresh outta getting his powers stolen. 

And Mk forcibly takes them back, doesn’t give up and is able to lift the staff. 

After LBD Mk seems to be getting his powers back at a pretty decent rate. We see him steadily re-learn them and his self-confidence throughout the episodes, while Monkey King goes in a meditative state. (Maybe it makes the restoration go faster.) But even with that he still seems to be re-gaining them a little more slowly than Mk. Even when he goes to fight LBD, I’m not sure he has all of them back. Because I don’t think Monkey King could ever get possessed if he was at full strength—full self confidence. 

Throughout their little quest to get the Samadhi fire, Mk has his family supporting him, believing in him, and waiting for him to be ready to believe in himself again.

They build him up

And even Monkey King, once he relaxes seems to give him more feedback and input than before, taking time after seeing him do something to tell him he did a good job and he knew he could do it

In comparison to what this trip was like for Monkey King. Granted, he didn’t make it easy for the people around him due to his inability to communicate unless he’s being yelled at,

 but for the entirety of the trip it’s everyone but Mk is doubting him, doubting his plan, even being standoffish and accusatory at him. “SUN WUKONG YOU’LL DOOM US ALL.” yelled several times by several different people he seems to view as kinda-friends (though monkey king doesn’t seem to have friends). 

And it isn’t until after they see what could have been the results of his plan that Nezha, that they all kinda step back and go “oh. he might have been onto something here.” 

But by then it’s too late, and he believes they don’t have time, has just gotten yelled at harming the people he cares about which is literally like, his least favourite thing to do (literally goes and hides in a hole when he realizes he scares his FFM fam.) 

LBD kinda did to him what she did to Mk. And hey, I mean everyone else around him helped too. Monkey King went into that battle extremely low on self-confidence. Nothing went according to his plan, and now he’s falling back on the last resort that he did everything he could and even risked the world and the people around him to avoid. Mans does not want to kill anyone. Not even LBD and least of all a child. 

And it’s in that moment where his confidence is at it’s lowest and his self-hate is at it’s highest, that’s when LBD possesses him. 

Seems like she just got lucky and hit him while he was at his low point honestly rather than planned it, but she does seem to have a habit of destroying the people around her’s mental states *looks at Macaque*. 

He’s fighting the whole time but there’s no one there, he’s alone and trapped, but then there’s Mk in front of him, telling him to stop, 

that he believes in him, 

and he manages to stop the punch and bring it down to just a throw. 

And when he finally manages to break the possession, it’s the moment when Mk stands, knowing he’s coming in for the final blow and doesn’t even turn around or look away from LBD, so unshakeable in his confidence in Monkey King, and when Sun Wukong sees that,

  that is when he breaks free from the possession, the moment someone shows that unwavering unshakeable belief in him. 

“Thanks for not giving up on me, bud.” 

If he had given up on him, I don’t think Monkey King would have been able to break free. 

Anyway, there you go, there’s your Knox theory/analysis for the day. 

[justeclotilde]

Please send me Monkie Kid Season 4 specials / Season 5 theories I’m starving I want to talk about it

[guwix]

Theory? Where is Ao Lie?

Look carefully at the image. Ao Lie, not where there is no. If you look carefully at the details and the shadows:

1. Ao Lie has black horns. That is, we immediately cross out the white ones.

2. His eyebrows are not so thick.

3. The teeth are raised up.

4. Well, the most obvious thing is the color of the skin.

Ao Lie didn't even have a hint in Mei's house, but there are several ancestors there. Also there is no statue in the library, not a dragon, not a horse. Just a portrait.

Has Ao Lie never been so knowledgeable? Or, what do you mean, that the immortal prince is alive?

Bonus:

We also noticed an image on the background with MK. Is there a silhouette of a man? If you look closely, there is no tail. If it's a library, then maybe it's Macaque, if not, then in theory it's MK?

[pandapenguinnn]

OK SO FOLLOWING UP ON MY LAST POST

SPOILERS FOR MONKIE KID SEASON 3 AHEAD

(If you haven't read my previous theory about Mk and LBD click this link)  Hi so i just wanted to do a small quick follow-up on my Mk and LBD theory. Another piece evidence i also came across while rewatching the series that I LOVE is that on episode 5 of season 2, when Mk meets LBD for the very first time, during her line: “Chose the wrong sucessor.”  What if that was the moment she planted a piece of herself/power inside of Mk? Because after she says that line, she basically dived inside of Mk’s body, and its obvious she actually does that, hence making Mk fall forward from the force. And I'm super nervous that the scroll at the end of season 3 will be related to Mk in some shape or form.  Idk again this is just a fun theory I have about Mk, not only about his origin somewhat but also just exploring his relationship with LBD because I find the two’s interactions with eachother very interesting!  (also Im planning on writing a story later about this theory) 

[turbo515]

LMK SEASON 5 NEWS

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Uhm guys...

THE STONES?!?!

@cherllyio

If these are the five stones of Nuwa, well... it means that there should be a fifth LEGO set??