#Savathun Sus

[mara-swag]

[The Witness and its Deciples playing Among Us]

The Witness: Where has Savathun gone?

Rhulk: My Witness, she is The Imposter! I saw her Vent!

Savathun: We can hide in the vents from The Imposter? That would have been useful to tell me last round.

The Witness: Only The Imposter can use the vents.

Savathun: Oh sorry, this is my first time playing.

The Witness: if Savathun doesn't know about the vent, maybe you saw someone else.

Savathun: or maybe He's imposter again

Xivu Arath: (on mute) MY SISTER HAS SLAIN ME!? SHE CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO FIND OUR BLESSED WITNESS!

Oryx: (knocking on the door) Xivu can you keep it down? It's like 3:00 a.m. and I have work in the morning...

[dodisrunawayplace]

Final LightFall Opinions

Well, I just got done with the story missions ＼⍩⃝／

Rohan ( ≧Д≦) Dang it, its sad to always lose a character that i was invested in (both he and nimbus were added to my roster of destiny loves)

but oommmmgggg, Nezarec is back in the hive network so wtf. Are we the reason why he’s back due to our doings in Season of the Plunder? (･д･)

The ending fight with Calus was overwhelming for me as a solo player (even though i was on normal), so luckily I was able to get my friends to join me to quickly get it done but to think that the Witness played us right from the start 

Calus was never meant to retrieve/destroy the Veil for the Witness; he was just a lure for us, the guardians and our ghosts, to get close to the Veil. Then, the Witness can just possess our little light (and what the hell was that reaction, my guardian was really lacking any emotion in my opinion). 

Btw, our little lights are really sus eh? since they can be easily manipulated by the Witness and im like dafuq man

In the end, i was left with more questions and no much answers. Maybe its because Witch Queen had a definitive ending (with Savathun’s ‘supposed’ death) and it felt like LightFall didn’t provide much during its ending; LightFall was toooo open-ended in my opinion 

BUT I did enjoy myself during the gameplay albeit the grappling sections were annnnooooying. I’m looking forward to actually learn more about the Veil and Neomuna in the year to come (plus it looks like post campaign there is much more to do so Im excited for that) σ(≧ε≦ｏ)

[goldenmint]

7 days, 1 season pass, from 0 to rank 100.

I need to touch grass, right now.

[fireteam-valor]

Valor: *running the corrupted Expunge mission*

Wilhelm: *repeatedly dies to taken push fields*

Wilhelm: Savathûn just had to be a little bitch about all these trap, didn’t she?

Osiris:

Osiris: You can never know… Maybe she had other intentions for them.

Wilhelm: Yeah, right, and I will have other intentions when shoving my shotgun down her throat and pulling the trigger.

Osiris:

Osiris: *slightly gulps*

[sovpologist]

IKORA SAID AMONG US

[thefirstknife]

Hello! I know with Osiris acting sus there's a lot to be unpacked there but I wanted to know if you had thoughts on Sus!iris giving Crow his cloak and the "one exile to another" comments. Those felt more... Organic I guess than other actions of his. Do you think maybe he's still in there, just suppressed?

I'm not entirely sure honestl, but here are some of my thoughts.

When he goes to comission the cloak, Eva notes a few strange things:

With each stitch, she recalls the strange encounter some months ago that prompted her clandestine work:

It was late that evening. She had been walking back from the Tower, nearly home, when she heard a smooth voice quietly assert, "Eva. It's been too long. You look as bright as ever." Osiris melted out of the shadows near her doorway.

"Melting out of the shadows" has been a common theme for a while now. In Play of Shadow and Light (hint hint nudge nudge):

There is an imminent, daunting pressure.

Ikora holds her breath.

She is not alone; something is wrong. She feels an intrusion and tension draws tight around her heart.

A shadow moves over her.

"Ikora."

She breathes again; familiarity anchors her.

"Osiris… would you care to join me?" She recognizes his robes, his voice, and that is all. His face sinks between dancing shadows cast by the garden's torchlight. He is smaller, worn, and devoid of the magnificence she remembered. A monument of embers, defined by what once was.

Ikora experiences some strange vibes before seeing Osiris. He is then described as a shadow moving into her field of vision. Ikora is relieved to see him, but as she notes: she recognises his basic form, but if she hadn't seen him face to face, she clearly would've been concerned (more so than she was upon seeing him in this state).

In One Exile to Another, the same is repeated again:

"I know just the place." A deep, languid voice floated out of the forest behind them.

Crow whirled, hand on his Sidearm, ready to draw. He relaxed as the grizzled Warlock, Osiris, stepped forward from the shade of the pine trees.

Not only does Osiris "step out of the shade" again, but Crow is immeditely startled and almost draws a gun at him. Additionally:

"I've seen pictures of noodles," Crow said doubtfully. "They look like worms."

Osiris smiled beneath his cowl.

Hm. All of these things being repeated in the same way are not coincidences, for sure.

Anyway, Osiris makes a good reason for giving Crow new clothes: Crow has to stay hidden and having a huge Spider symbol on his chest isn't a good look. His reasoning for comissioning the cloak from Eva also tracks: he explains he needs someone who can keep a secret while Crow is adjusting and before he's ready to be revealed to the Vanguard.

If we're going by the current theory of Osiris having been replaced by Savathun, then it's Savathun who is directing these things. She is known to have orchestrated plenty of events behind the scenes. She loves secrets, even secrets for secrets' sake. In hindsight, keeping Crow a secret seems to fit that scheme.

Moreover, in the lore for Hawkmoon, Savathun is the one observing Crow the YW celebrating. She notes:

The Crow is so carefree in his ignorance. The bonfire's glow lights up his pale features and I am drawn to the hope in his gold eyes. Where is the despairing child I anticipated?

Savathun knows Crow. Or rather, she knows Uldren, whom she is responsible for corrupting. She knows who Crow was before which is why she seems to have anticipated "a despairing child." She is also very clearly experiencing something here that's new to her. Or at least something she hasn't felt in a long time. She keeps repeating how she doesn't understand what she's feeling and how it brings back memories of her family and hope and all the good things that she forgot about.

I believe she is drawn to Crow because of this and because of her past involvement with Uldren. I also believe she may be trying to influence him again.

Of course, it could also be as you suggested: that Osiris is somehow manipulated (Taken?) and she's controlling him and some of these instances is him fighting back. Since we don't know the mechanics of what's going on and how, it's hard to say.

But Savathun definitely holds a connection to Crow in multiple ways. The way he is being treated by Osiris seems to follow that pattern.

One more thing, in regards to the name itself: One Exile to Another. We can of course draw the parallel of Osiris having been exiled and Crow who is an exile himself.

But so is Savathun. Back in Immolant Pt. 2, Osiris interfaces with the Dreadnaught to learn more about the Hive and their structure after Oryx's defeat. He discovers the following:

Osiris sneers and grasps the head. He navigates the recounting of the Hive from Oryx's death. They are fractured, broken by internal power struggles. It leads into a recounting of Savathûn: banished, branded as heretic and set to burn. Many Hive turned to her when Oryx fell. Many of those same broodlines defected as the Darkness invaded Sol, sending Savathûn into hiding. She is still hunted by the hounds of war.

Savathun, same as Osiris, has been banished from her people and branded as a heretic. So "One Exile to Another" fits with both Osiris and Crow as well as Savathun and Crow. Savathun has been shown to be... sympathetic (for the lack of the better word) towards those that are banished and exiled; she also helped Nokris in much the same way.

I hope this makes sense all put together and I hope Savathun is enjoying her imbaru!

[arcaneglitch]

I know I haven't been as active in the Destiny fandom lately but I still see a lot of the theories and stuff going around. Here's where I stand

I don't think Osiris is Savathun. I didn't think Eris was either (bc that used to be the popular theory). People can tell me all they want about him "acting sus" or w/e but I don't care

Mara is coming back which means so are her apologists. I still don't think this fandom is ready for the "Mara, while being an interesting character, is not a good person" conversation but I'm interested to see where Bungie is taking her character

Also if she even fucking LOOKS at Crow I will stomp her to death with my hooves

[funkervogt]

savathuns viral chant is actually a ploy to get everyone in the city copyright striked and sued

[artist-assassin]

But which guardian is sussy baka savathun? 👀

[ @paladinmochi123]now you take a good long look at them and tell me if any of 'em look sus to you...

How to tell if any of Fireteam Ambrosia has been replaced: -If Willow stops coming up to you at random (most often between the hours of 1:30 - 4:30 A.M.), says 'hey, hypothetical question...' and then proceeds to say the craziest thing you've ever heard -If KC-5 at any point says she doesn't have time for Willow's pranks or refuses to debate you on a stupid 'philosophical question' -If Vaikis ever stops looking embarrassed and/or exhausted about his Fireteam's activities

[sketchybehavior]

Boy, it's the troubles all around:

Savathun's Song is topping the charts

Osiris acting super sus

Lakshmi-2 doing an always sunny race war title card

There's a hive artifact somewhere in the city (thanks osiris)

Humans do them selves a hate crime

Humans do themselves a war crime

It's some rough times, yo. No wonder the traveler did a skedaddle.

[sohelish]

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So, assuming I am right in my assessment of the sus voicelines, and Osiris has been Savathun since the season of the hunt what's the deal with Crow?

Was it supposed to be over with that mask/hiding from Zavala thing?

Bc yes on the one hand Zavala does trust us a lil less now... but only a little, I feel like he's not so easily turned from the PC. Was the expectation there will be drama ans scandal? Bc that didn't happen.

So either the Lady underestimated us all and only succeeded a little or there's something else to come.

I mean she does feast on schemes and the whole Crow thing has been one from the beginning so I guess she did get a power boost

[doshistorias]

Ve, cuéntale que el hombre que mató a su hermano Oryx esta aquí. Dile a Savathun que he venido a hacer el trabajo del Viajero y que el infierno viene conmigo.

Sylas Greaves “The last Gunfighter/ el último pistolero”, Cazador de la Última Ciudad, al único caballero superviviente de la Masacre de la Corte de Savathun.

[thefirstknife]

I agree with you about the Osiris theory. Bungie did say that Savathun would be planting breadcrumbs through all of Year 4 and what character has had a fairly major role in each season in Year 4 and has been more suspicious with one?

Yeah. And the worst thing? Despite having a major role for three consecutive seasons, we've had no lore from his point of view.

It may seem like a really random thing to notice, but Osiris has always had a lot of lore tabs from his POV. Man has a lot to say. He's been around for a very long time. It's absolutely incomprehensible to me that he would not have an opinion for three seasons in a row. Nothing to tell us about his views on the situation.

Especially strange when the last lore from his POV was Immolant and in that two-part weblore, he's seen interacting with pretty much every important character. He knows everyone. He talks to everyone. He doesn't hold back. It's extremely odd to not have seen his thoughts about Crow or Caiatl, Saladin and Zavala or now Mithrax and the Vex. He has voice lines and he appears in lore tabs, but it's never his POV. It's what the kids these days call sus.

[sovpologist]

i already know people are gonna try to say osiris is fake or still a spy or sus despite the game literally telling you over and over again “this is the real osiris for sure we have checked and it’s 100% him he is not savathun or a trick he is the real osiris”

[sohelish]

*

Ikoa: still plotting are you?

Osiris, somewhat panicky: what?

Ikora: *smth about Osiris being calculative and butting heads about it with the Speaker*

Osiris, calmer: oh ok

Me: *siiiiiiiiigh*

...

Am I still on the Osiris/Savathun train? Yup. Does every other shady Osiris line fuel my suspicion? Yuuuup

Also when I was logging in to pick armor last season for my other gals I rewatched the Caiatl cutscenes... The music that was playing when Osiris entered the frame was hella sus too. Ok not the music but there was this... chime-like sound?

Then again, might just be weird writing bc I’ve seen that happen but so far? Sus. XD

Ever since the season of the hunt Osiris has been hella weird. Being grumpy at Xivu Arath in the context of her being a poser compared to Savathun, being all shady when people started asking questions, shutting them down, changing topics to Sagira’s death. And now this line? Lmao.

He’s not the grumpy yet kind grandpa I remember.

I think I also heard a new line where Osiris is being unnecessary cruel and Mithrax pointed it out but I forget. I haven’t gotten my bearing in the new event yet :D