#You will claim to be 'harrassed' but that is not our intention (anyone sending you harrassment or threats is not behavior we tolerate).

[throwawayaccount3482348873289]

Response

Thank you to Jade/Lolthia @/edens-gemstone for replying to the previous post. I will make an exception in replying as yes, there was a part I forgot to add, which is additional evidence to prove that all your accusations in the comments below are completely false. Allow me to address them one by one.

At the end, I will include some follow-up questions to add additional context for other users.

THE ACCUSATIONS

“Also you literally stalked my tumblr after this, rb posts about Adam that I wasn’t comfy being rb and possibly sent me harassing anons (idk for sure)”

I do not have a Tumblr. This account is made by someone else, posting on my behalf. But if you really are confident that it’s me reblogging these posts and sending harassing anons, post the blog and the anons. If you don’t know for sure, why did you post this? 

“You literally just… didn’t want me included because I wouldn't let you ship your OC with Ibara.”

As seen here, this claim is completely false. I explicitly mentioned that I had no problems with the pairing, but asked them to let me know prior next time to ensure the RP is consistent. I may have vaguely talked about an original story I was writing with my OC and Ibara outside of RP, but within the context of the RP, I have clearly stated that I was fine with the direction Lolthia wanted. 

None of what they had mentioned was communicated to me at all before the start of the RP. They didn’t even acknowledge what I said, just responding with ‘well I figured it would be obvious’.

Lolthia’s behaviour here is consistent with their stated intention in the previous post: to RP not because they want to collaborate, but because they want other writers to expend time and effort to fulfil their self-ship fantasies, without giving as much in return. Therefore, they didn’t bother giving context, let alone asking if their RP partners were okay with it.

“You even stopped our RP after getting mad about me dating Ibara.”

Lolthia stopped the RP themselves after I confronted them for ranting on their public blog about a communication issue they were unhappy with in this server.

Someone alerted me that they were talking about their RP server on their blog. I was concerned about those in the server who were on Tumblr. As their RP partner, I requested that they delete it and talk to us first in the future. We then had the following conversation.

The conversation ended with this rude remark and Lolthia proceeded to be inactive for a long time before starting the argument in the previous post.

“I got tired of constant pings asking me for stuff”/ “I… asked to stop being pinged because I was going through enough”

I need you to understand that you are the admin of the server. We needed your help to create threads to hold our RPs in. Instead of not saying anything when we pinged you only to throw a tantrum about it, why didn’t you pass the permissions or moderator roles to someone else, or at least notify us that you’d be inactive for a certain amount of time?

In the post where we were planning an RP and pinged you - If your interpretation of ‘maybe they can come in later to keep the narrative consistent’ is us excluding you, that’s honestly a you problem, mate.

TO LOLTHIA/JADE

Only one of the claims you have made against me is correct. Yes - presently, I do not like you. But it’s not because you are whatever you identify as, or that you ship with a specific character.

I do not like you because you vagued your own server members, including myself, on your public blog. When I found out and asked you to edit out the mention of our server at minimum, you still had the gall to try to convince me it didn’t affect anyone but yourself.

I do not like you for insulting my friends and I as writers by saying we were ‘just an alternative to character.AI’ all along. And as people, by comparing us to the hate anons who had sent you death threats when we did nothing of the sort. Then, twisting the above into these accusations, without a shred of proof to go with them. 

I am a ROLEPLAYER. Ibara to me is no more than a character and piece of intellectual property.

You: 

Explicitly conveyed that your position was to use us to help you get validation for your alleged ‘relationships’ in a similar way to Character.AI.

Took out your jealousy towards other fandom members onto us, even getting emotional when we merely talked about and shared screenshots of characters you liked. 

When we didn’t give you attention to your liking, accused us of ostracising you and wanting you dead.

Threw a tantrum at us for pinging you for basic admin duties as the server owner, because it wasn’t attention or praise.

The only irrational one here is not myself, but you, and the hard evidence in these two posts is overwhelming.

I won’t be entertaining any further responses. Please be reminded that any attempt to post my personal information publicly will be met with action by me.

TO OTHER USERS

Q: Did you make both these posts and the document? 

No, these posts are follow-ups to the document containing evidence, made by a different person. 

Q: Why did you feel the need to engage them rather than leave the server?

We had already talked only amongst ourselves, ignored any vents they had and began our own server long before these events.

Engaging them was at first a personal choice to defend my friends, who had done nothing wrong. At the time, I was not aware that this was common behaviour for them.

The comparison between us and the death threat anons, which could affect my friends’ reputations, was the most compelling reason for me to attempt straightening this out.

Q: Why has this post been made almost a year later?

Yes, I do agree that from the looks of it, Lolthia’s actions are old news. After I was informed, I personally did not want anything to do with them, and decided to let it go.

However, recently, my friends in the same fandom spaces have not had the luxury of curating their own online experiences because according to them, they are constantly remaking blogs. Furthermore, it was not easy for them to work up the courage to make this post, as being wrongfully accused of wanting someone’s death is not easy for anyone. So, I decided to back them up with the hard evidence they lacked.

Thank you for reading. 

[androgynousblackbox]

I am not editing out this message like I usually do when recieving bullshit from anons because I know exactly who send this message, and I want as many people as possible to know as well. If you keep up with my blog, then you know about the lovely message the abusive stalker ex of my girlfriend send me and how much she has being fucked over thanks to his constant harrassment the last five years. She has tried to block him, delete him, tell him to fuck off, more times than I can count, and he never gets it. He never takes no for an answer. But something interesting happened the moment I published my response to his message... he wrote back. Not to me, because I already blocked him, but to my girlfriend and between the pile of garbage he said (again, making up excuses for himself and try to make it seem like he is the victim), he dedicate me a little paragraphe where he just had to put doubt on my transgender identity. WARNING: INCOMING TRANSPHOBIA AND MISGENDERING

This first bit is just him repeating his excuses about other stuff, so is irrelevant to my case. I only put here to show that email existed, because I know that guy will love to claim he never send such thing. 

“For what motive [do I think there is something wrong about your boyfriend]? Because you told me that you would never be with a man, but when I started identifying as one I thought it was strange you accept me like that and after our problem, magicaly she turned trans. It seemed weird, but to each their own. But did seemd out of place because you told me that you would never be with a man and she consider herself a man so it’s difficult to understand. END OF WARNING  So what a coincidence that just the exact same day I told him to fuck off, she told him to fuck off, in the exact same day where he writes to her telling her his suspicion that I am a poser, I happen to recieve this message. Oh, yeah, I am part of the truscum discourse and of course I have recieved some anons from them, but never one so explicitely hateful and acusatory as this one. Futhermore, I haven’t been responding to much truscums directly and anyone who bothered to read my blog would find easily the times I have mentioned my dysphoria, which according to truscum logic means I am a True Trans(tm). So who could have brought up these ESPECIFIC accusations? Who would have the need?  Especifically in this day where my girlfriend and I just happened to be done with his bullshit?  See, this is something I haven’t mentioned about Mike, the ex emotionally abusive stalker: he is not very smart. Subtely was never his strong suit. Do I think he would be so obvious to send that in anon just to try to wear me down just after minutes my girl made another gorey drawing, the only thing to console herself that she has left after his abuse, despite how obvious it would be? How evident it would look? Oh, yeah. I have seen him done more dumb things than that. But oh well, I know this is just a suspicion of mine and I can’t really accuse him. I am sure that, for his many faults, he realize this too and will probably try to contact my girlfriend again telling her that I am lying, that I am accusing him so injustly and he can’t understand why if he has never hold any grudge against me (you could have fool me with that intentional misgendering), insisting once again to talk. I can almost hear his finger typing those excuses he knows so well. If that does happen, I will be sure to screenshot that as well as proof. If google translate doesn’t make it easier to understand for you, Mike: acabo de decir que si vuelves a escribir a mi novia tratando de excusarte de esto, sabré con toda certeza que tú me enviaste ese horrible mensaje. Di una sola palabra y no tendré la menor duda de cuán bajo eres capaz de llegar. Confírmame una vez más que no tienes vergüenza. But... if this isn’t the emotionally manipulative stalker of my girlfriend, then we still must assume that is a particular nasty truscum who can’t accept that people with dysphoria would disagree with their ideology. Which, honest, wouldn’t be strange here on tumblr. If that is the case, then maybe @truscumreceipts should be aware this type of truscum are indeed still around.

[midoriyasbones]

This isnt hate but man, you're wrong. You were an anti, you took part in a nasty group that hurt people and continues to do so, and no one has to forgive you or be nice to you just because you got better. even if you didn't send the hate, you're not entitled to others nice behavior. and complaining about being judged for it when sheith shippers have had to go through so much shit, just makes you look so fake; 1/?

2/? sheith shippers have had to go through so much shit, and just because you have or Are going through doesn’t make you deserving of our consideration; It just means you’re in the same boat as us now. And so you should know how it feels; But seeing you complain and gripe about it makes you look incredibly whiney and superficial dude. You ARE ALLOWED to be sad and angry and want to enjoy your ship,           

3/? you absolutely are, and we are too. But we got our anger from the group you used to support and belong to– You’ve gotta understand that.  antis are still out there doxxing, harrassing our staff and VA’s off twitter, ruining panels, making death threats and suicide baiting, chasing off content creators, misusing “pedophile”, causing the infamous needle incident and more– and you guys are mad because theres some angry posts and cross tagging?? And you expect /sympathy?/ Really????            

4/ Please, go outside, get some fresh air, go for a walk, go offline for an hour every day. Refresh yourself. Take a breather. Refocus, and understand with more perspective the irony of it all, and why you’ve got so much angry vitriolic Sheithers out there. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, and ex-antis/klancers, especially the ones who are content to “stay in their lane” are only making themselves look worse by acting entitled to forgiveness while taking out anger on sheiths for being             

5/? justifiably angry about the cyberbullying they themselves helped bring about. Especially the ones who are “staying in their lane” while doing nothing to prevent all the anti’s that are CAUSING such vitriolic sheiths in the first place– then demanding that we stop being angry because its not fun for them– wow yknow what isnt fun for us? Being called pedophiles, suicide baited, and threatened daily. But god forbid we talk about it, be angry about it, express that– then we’ve gone TOO FAR             

6/? im stopping here because this started with intent to be NICE criticism and is now descending into an angry ramble and thats not what i wanna do here- the point remains: what you said is not reasonable, relies on expectation and entitlement, and as such, comes off as entitled, fake, and all around insincere. And in your TakeBackKlance server i see you shitting on sheiths like this all the time. Its disappointing, extraordinarily hypocritical, and furthers the established mistrust between             

7 / ? shaladins and ex-anti’s. And you complain about people staying away from ex-anti’s. If they’re acting like this, of course they would. They’re perfectly within their rights to, justifiably, and you have to accept that. So yeah, you “have to atone” Its almost like you’ve gotta earn each individual persons trust, like in real life?. If you’re complaining about it, then it just shows you don’t really support Shaladins as much as you claimed you did.            

okay, thank you for some perspective on the situation, and i’m going to give you some credit. you managed to convey yourself in a civil way making very valid points and expressing emotions that are entirely valid. there is nothing here that i don’t think is out of place. your anger here is very much warranted and i appreciate you acknowledging all this, but i’m not sure you understand everything that’s going on.

first of all, i was an anti almost a year ago. i ditched the community in june of 2017 and became a full fledged pro in july of that same year. since then i’ve done my best to drop all my former bearings of that life. that’s my personal history.

1. “you’ve gotta understand that.  antis are still out there doxxing, harrassing our staff and VA’s off twitter, ruining panels, making death threats and suicide baiting, chasing off content creators, misusing “pedophile”, causing the infamous needle incident and more-”

not only do i understand this, but i’ve seen it first hand and have been fighting against it for nearly a year. i understand your anger because i am just as angry about it too. i’ve actively been fighting against that since i switched over and i’m not saying that makes me ‘worthy’ or anything, but it’s not like i’m sitting back here doing nothing.

2. and you guys are mad because theres some angry posts and cross tagging??

no, we’re mad that pro ship klancers are being constantly kicked aside and expected to just take it. we’re mad that a community that calls themselves ‘pro ship’ makes us feel unwelcome and has chased us out of what is supposed to be a place for us too. cross tagging isn’t cool no matter what. vent posts i really don’t give two shits about, you have every right to express your anger.

3. And you expect /sympathy?/ Really???? 

no, i actually don’t. you don’t have to give me the time of day, i’m just asking that you not come into our inboxes or reblog our posts with angry and irrelevant additions (so long as our posts aren’t overstepping certain boundaries of course).

4. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, and ex-antis/klancers, especially the ones who are content to “stay in their lane” …

i’m not an anti, i’m a pro shipper. i believe that everyone has the right to ship whatever they want. i think that people who harass others for their ships are immature. and in case you didn’t know i far from stay in my goddamn lane. i don’t allow antis to say shit and get away with it. i don’t support anyone who is anti ship, even those who claim not to be a part of the anti community. you’re comparing apples to oranges.

5. are only making themselves look worse by acting entitled to forgiveness 

again, not asking for forgiveness. i’m not entitled to a damn thing except a peaceful life.

6. on sheiths for being justifiably angry about the cyberbullying they themselves helped bring about.

i won’t deny, when i was an anti i should’ve recognized that what i supported was wrong and i should’ve stepped up and done something, but i didn’t. i won’t excuse my actions, i’ll stand here right now and tell you i was being immature, selfish, and stupid. there is nothing i can do or say that will make up for what i did or actually didn’t do. i can at least say i never sent anything or said anything extremely awful, but i certainly didn’t try to stop anyone and i did actively support them. that’s on me… but that’s also almost a year ago. you don’t have to even want to be around me, i’m just asking that you don’t think i’m still in support of that stuff anymore.

7. Especially the ones who are “staying in their lane” while doing nothing to prevent all the anti’s that are CAUSING such vitriolic sheiths in the first place

i’m not causing anyone to do anything. the way people act on their anger is entirely on them, not me. furthermore, i’ve already addressed that i am taking action, so this really isn’t a fair thing to say to me at all.

8. then demanding that we stop being angry because its not fun for them

point to where i’ve said you can’t be critical of klance or lance or anything. as long as what you’re doing is cross tagging i could care less. as long as what you’re doing isn’t going into people’s inboxes or bullying them out of fnadom spaces that are supposed to positive i quite honestly don’t consider it my business. be angry, get that out, it’s healthy to express that emotion, just make sure you aren’t being toxic.

9. wow yknow what isnt fun for us? Being called pedophiles, suicide baited, and threatened daily.

full offense, but i’ve been called a pedo too. i’ve been suicide baited and threatened too. in some cases it was daily. you already said we’re in the same boat, so suddenly why are you shoving me off of it? we’re in this fuck fest together anon, and again, that doesn’t mean you owe me shit, but i don’t owe you anything either.

10. But god forbid we talk about it, be angry about it, express that– then we’ve gone TOO FAR 

like i supposedly have when i express my anger about getting the same treatment from people who said they supported me? vent posts are not too far. harassment (like that lance’s ass fumes anon and the clit anon) is.

11. And in your TakeBackKlance server i see you shitting on sheiths like this all the time. Its disappointing, extraordinarily hypocritical, and furthers the established mistrust betweenshaladins and ex-anti’s

false. i’m literally never in there because i’m so busy with my real life stuff. i have said some things in my anger, but i do not think it is nearly frequent enough to label as ‘all the time’. most of the time i’m in agreement with the sheith fandom. your criticism of antis and of fanon and even canon stuff is totally valid, i’m only angry about when things stray too far and actual people are attacked. what’s disappointing is that i’m on the receiving end of your anger for something i don’t even do.

12. And you complain about people staying away from ex-anti’s

i literally don’t want you anywhere near me. i don’t want my name in your mouth. i don’t want to be yelled at for things i haven’t done and no longer support. i’m not asking you to support me. i’m not asking you to follow me. i’m not asking you for anything. i’m asking that i not be blamed for things i no longer take part of. that’s all.

13. They’re perfectly within their rights to, justifiably, and you have to accept that.

what’s justified? vent posts that are properly tagged.

what’s not justified? getting sent anon hate and seeing myself vagued just because i don’t like it when my friends are upset over how they get treated and i actually speak my mind. what would be fake is if i kept my damn mouth shut, but i don’t. you need to accept that.

14. So yeah, you “have to atone” Its almost like you’ve gotta earn each individual persons trust, like in real life?

actually?? it’s almost like i have been working my hardest to do so? and those who actually know me would say that i am balls to the fucking wall in everything i do? you don’t have to trust me, you don’t have to forgive me, but i’m not going to take everything lying down just because my past isn’t spotless. i don’t owe you a blind following. you’re not immune to my thoughts just because i was once a part of a group that hurt you. it’s been hard enough to forgive myself, i don’t need to work for someone’s forgiveness who clearly has no intention of even giving me a chance. i don’t need to atone for a damn thing and i thank you for actually bringing this up. i was working and being so hard on myself thinking i had to make it up to y’all and i actually don’t. i’ve been chaining myself up for you when i didn’t need to.

15. If you’re complaining about it, then it just shows you don’t really support Shaladins as much as you claimed you did.            

if you’re complaining about someone bringing up that they’re uncomfortable with how horrible a certain aspect of fandom life makes them feel than you clearly can’t take as much as you think you can. i was never trying to hurt or offend anyone in my post and was careful to craft it in a way that took into account how much anger has built up over the years. you have every right to hate k/l, but you have absolutely 0 rights to pretend you’re a perfectly kind person if you think that my past means i owe you anything while thinking it’s justified that my friends and i receive hate for a fucking ship from people who say they support me. 

no offense anon, i think your anger towards my past and what i once affiliated myself with is totally justified, you can even be angry at me, but you also need to accept that i am not who you are painting me to be. i am not a ‘stay in my lane’ fake person. i stand up a lot for others and i work hard to create things and places for everyone. i understand that not everyone needs to like me, and i’ve accepted that fact long ago, all i am asking, and all anyone is asking really, is that if you don’t like us, then ignore us. don’t feel the need to come into our inboxes or reply to our posts. we really don’t want to hear it. we’ve been through quite enough just from leaving the antis. you don’t have to like, you don’t have to follow me, you don’t have to be my friend, but you do have to acknowledge that i am not the person you think i am.

your anger, your hurt, and your frustration is something i resonate with. i can feel the pain through your words and i want you to know that i don’t hold this anon against you at all. you have every right to express your opinions and offer me this. i think that in some ways you’re right, maybe i am asking for too much, maybe i’m being a little much, maybe i’m not totally in the right here, but a lot of this feels misdirected. instead of being angry at antis you’re pouring it out on me. instead of taste of my own medicine you’re just pouring concrete down my throat. your emotions and your pain are valid here, but i’m not your target and taking it out on us isn’t fair. you can’t hold this above my head and think you’re justified in doing so.

again, i’m not taking away your right to vent, all i’m saying is please don’t think i am your enemy because i truly am not. i’m not an anti. my past is not my present and neither is it yours. the anger you feel is real, but it’s not entirely something you can throw at me and expect me or any pro ship k/l to just take it. we’re not the fandom stress ball or punching bag, we’re people just as you are. you have every right to be wary of me, i  don’t blame you, but again… don’t tell me this is all my fault. it’s not. it’s really really not.

thank you for giving me your perspective and your time, but at the end of the day it’s not my responsibility to make you feel okay again. that’s on you. we don’t owe each other anything. i don’t expect anything from anyone but it feels like everyone is expecting a lot from me, too much really.

[kingofthewilderwest]

Wow you finally snapped after I told you I told your gf XD. See? Trying to save your own ass huh?

If anyone is wondering, a tumblrite (who has a year and a half long history of sending baseless hate mail and incendiary rumors to many dozens of people) has been futilely trying to upset me with constant anonymous messages. I have no intention of responding to any of those messages, past, present, or future, aside from this one. I will also in a few days make one public post that demonstrates concretely with great evidence why no one should even care about this person’s deceitful, toxic, and utterly false words - just in case she keeps on trying to beat a dead horse with anyone else. After that one and one only post, all shall fall back to silence regarding this tumblrite. No one will see anything mentioned about this topic or anything else negative, either directly or indirectly, ever again. I’ll be back to positive blogging about dragons, linguistics, human worth, and the fandom topics we love.

Nope. Nice try, nikkondragon.

Feel free to wait a few days for my public post to decimate every claim you’ve ever made. I’ll demonstrate how irrefutably unbelievable, toxic, and illogical you are. I’m sure you’ll keep on sending me messages after that post I’ll make. Those messages will be just as illogical and baseless as the last 100 ineffective messages you’ve sent me. I’m sure you’ll send me a hateful message (or 300) approximately five minutes after I post this. I see from my inbox that in the process of drafting this message, you’ve already sent me three more asks.

You may remember that I sent an email about a half year ago stating that I was officially not going to communicate with you again. And that’s still true. You should not be surprised that I haven’t responded to any of your asks because I told you ahead of time that’s exactly what I was going to do - and am still going to do. I have no intention to talk to you no matter what you say. There’s nothing you can say that will perturb me, believe me. Common insults with swear words and accusations about things I didn’t do aren’t going to affect me. The reason I quit talking to you (as I told you with extraordinary kindness and politeness) is that I sought to give you kindness, reason, love, and patience no matter how you acted, but you proved that there was no kindness or reason in your own heart. On the contrary, you demonstrated that you would only perpetuate toxicity and would treat even the people who loved and were patient with you with utter repulsive unkindness. That meant there was no more reason to interact with you directly. I did not leave you in hate or even dislike, but with a respectful acknowledgement that our interactions would come to nothing except you being insensitively unkind to me and nothing productive occurring. I’ll respond to you now since I’m bored, but don’t expect any more messages from me ever in any capacity after my one planned post. 

You are free to waste your time sending me things, though, if it amuses you. you are a proven emotional manipulator, a serial liar, an emotional abuser, a harrasser, and a cyberbully.

Despite your universal unkindness to many human beings, and all the things you have done wrong, I care about you and pray for you frequently. I don’t hate you or even dislike you. I am not scared by you or hold any deep negative emotions against you. I even freely acknowledge good traits about you that I would be very happy and willing to talk about - your sense of humor, for instance, can be very funny. I remember the pun battles we made before crap hit the fan and you made me laugh. You’ve got a great sense of creativity and your drive for creative writing is something else I always appreciated about you. The well-wishes I gave you about a merry Christmas and a great 2017 are true and meant with my full heart. I don’t find you a monster. You’re a human being, and as is such, you are a gem like any other human being. Yes, nikkondragon. You are precious and important and beautiful!

I find you an individual, however, who has made many illogical and unkind decisions, and I am not afraid to tell people the full extent of your dangerous, inexcusable unkindness; emotional manipulation; and emotional abuse. I respect none of that and will condemn it for the cruelty it is. I will make sure that no one is ever hurt or influenced by you and your history of wrongdoing. You are someone that nobody should talk to because you are a hateful parasite. In that manner, I can protect everyone from any words you may ever try to send them. You are powerless. That’s why I hold no fear of you, I don’t get upset about you, and I don’t even care enough about your messages to answer them (or even read them, half the time). You are powerless. We all know that you’re a chronic liar, we all know that you’re toxic, and we all know that everything you say bears no merit. That has been demonstrated with concrete proof time and time again not only through what I have said, but through many other individuals with whom you have interacted. I’ll show in a very comprehensive public statement why you should be disregarded and then I shall go back to blogging with all the love, respect, kindness, and happiness that I intentionally make the theme of my blog. You won’t make a dent in this blog’s fun, enjoyable times!

The reason I will make the mic drop public post is not because you annoy me. On the contrary, you don’t annoy me, and the reason I don’t block you is because I don’t feel the need to block you. You don’t threaten me, you don’t make me upset, you don’t scare me, you don’t insult me, you don’t do anything at all to me except prove you chronically waste your own time. I’m responding to this with utter calm and a prayer in my head for you to find emotional peace.

God bless, nikkondragon. God send you happiness, nikkondragon. God give you peace, nikkondragon. God give you prosperity, and hope, and a host of amazing things. I’ll keep praying for you, nikkondragon. You deserve God’s love along with everyone else. All people, no matter what they have done, deserve love and happiness and peace. I may have completely cut you out from your life because you are entirely toxic, but that doesn’t mean I won’t pray for you to find peace and a better existence than the one you’re experiencing now.

[kmp78]

“I would also like receipts for the DS tweet. However, he doesn’t seem like some dummy. I’m sure he knows there could be consequences. He either has proof or played it safe by keeping it legal. “18-25” no real illegal accusations so not much could be done.”

I loved one article suggesting that J could/should sue DS for libel. lol I guess those people are completely unaware of what age range J goes for and the type of girls he surrounds himself with. There is enough proof for anyone who wants to look that what DS is suggesting isn’t far fetched and is pretty valid.

Let’s think for a second and play it out in our minds how things would go for J IF he decided to sue for libel. If he’d really be STUPID enough, he’d do that and I’m kind of low-key hoping he would because then it would ALL finally be out in the open. lol He can’t sue and we all know why. He doesn’t “just” limit it to 18. He goes lower (Exhibit A: VK at 17, CB at 16?…NR??, Ruby at 16??, etc.). Remember that DS just said he was “sliding into 18-25 yr olds’ DM’s”. While we know he PROBABLY meant J was hitting on them in the hopes of going out with them and in the hopes of “getting some”, but DS could argue, he merely meant that J is contacting a lot of 18-25 year old models and even if J’s intentions were only to be “friends” with them (LOL), it’s still creepy when he is almost 50 years old. It’s not illegal, but it’s creepy. We don’t know what his intentions are with all the young girls he surrounds himself with (which is a FACT)…we can guess though. 

So here comes the “fun part”. If J were to sue, remember he would have the burden of proof. HE would have to prove DS is wrong and there is no validity to the claim, which in return would mean that DS’s lawyers could sue J to get to see all of J’s communication (DMs,texts e-mails, etc.), they could sue VK, CB, NR, Ruby, even SJ (since she was 19 when they started dating) and any other young girl J was ever seen with and make them answer UNDER OATH how old they were when J contacted them, how he contacted them, if they ever had sex with him or kissed him or were in any way intimate with him, sue their communication to see what J was saying, etc etc. It could get REALLY ugly and really uncomfortable for J really fast. One can only hope he never contacted an underage girl and did anything illegal but even if it was just 18-25 year olds, WE KNOW he has contacted them through SM. (Exhibit B: Angie V. who also got papped with him, so they could sue her too and ask how he contacted her and to lay out their communication). And let’s not forget that he can try to delete messages all he wants. It would be the forensic experts going through his computers and phones so I’m sure they would find a way to find anything he had deleted. Oh let’s not forget PHOTOS! And VIDEOS! 

Not to mention all the other models/wannabes we have heard about.  For example that one lady who said J was harassing her during fashion week in NY to get her number when she was 18-19 (she wrote an artice about it) who could be a witness to prove how he actively pursues young girls. Also the models he was harassing during fashion week some years ago who refused to give him their numbers. The Russian twins who posted their text messages with J on ig… they could sue Lindsey L, Ashley O.,KD, to ask them under oath what kind of relationship they had, how J contacted them, how old they were….the list IS endless as we all know. 

So unless J wants to lay out ALL of his communication (DMs, texts, e-mails) with any and ALL18-25 year old girls (and possibly under) he has ever been in contact with to “prove” he never slides into any 18-25 year old models DMs or never tries to actively pursue and contact 18-25 year olds (or under)…he better not say anything. He can’t sue. It would be a FIELD DAY for everyone if he did sue and they could ask him to hand over all of his communications in return. Because even if he was “just sharing make up and hair brading tips” with VK, NR, KD, SJ, and all the others…he would have to prove he does NOT surround himself with young girls and has never contacted them himself. Other wise his “libel” suit would have no leg to stand on. You can’t sue someone for libel and say they are ruining your reputation by suggesting you are contacting a lot of 18-25 year old girls, when you at the same time ONLY surround yourself with 18-25 year old girls almost EXCLUSIVELY. (And also while you yourself go around saying on air that you were sending used condoms and anal beads to people you work with including women, which could be seen as sexual harrassement…so..better not go throw stones in your little glass house. If there is someone ruining his reputation it is J all by himself….). 

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It´s ridiculous that people out there are even suggesting that he could sue...

For what?! Being into young and LEGAL women, as that tweet very much implied?!

Ugh... Humans.

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