#ahbl 8

[incesthemes]

i'm so wincestpilled but seriously the last like. 10 minutes of do you believe in miracles has completely melted my brain. what's up with that whole "i lied" thing anyway. it's so deranged on every level.

in 9.13 sam tells dean that given the same circumstances with reversed roles (on the brink of death with the only option being angel possession), he wouldn't try to bring dean back from the dead. aka, he wouldn't strip dean of his free will and autonomy just to keep him alive.

but sam lied. not just about what dean thought he heard—that sam wouldn't do everything in his power to bring dean back. no, sam lied about exactly what he meant.

because when dean's life is actually, tangibly on the line, all those promises he told himself go out the window. he'll look for a spell, sam says. he'll defy destiny yet again to keep dean alive.

he even disregards dean's wishes and will to die. dean is becoming something he doesn't want to be; he wants to die, to stop that from happening. but sam won't let him. "don't worry about the mark," he says, because he doesn't care what dean turns into as long as he's alive. and he doesn't care what dean wants or doesn't want, because he needs dean to live.

and then dean dies, and sam brings him back to the bunker, and he tries to summon crowley to make a deal and bring dean back to life. sam lied—he doesn't value dean's right to choose death any more than dean values sam's.

and for possibly the first time, sam is completely honest about this: to himself, and to dean. he tells dean that he needs him, that he'll go to the ends of the earth for him, that he'll do anything for his brother, just the same as dean would for him. no more lying, no more hypotheticals. the cards are laid out on the table for everyone to see, and sam is fundamentally the same as dean. this much is obvious, to anyone but them; it's not sam's first time doing completely unethical and unhinged things to keep dean alive. but now the facade has been torn off, and they can finally both see each other for what they are (psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other).

between this and sacrifice, they've both now obtained the stifling, all-encompassing, possessive love they desperately wanted from each other, like the sick fucks they are. how am i supposed to be normal about this? hello?

[ardentpoop]

anyway s2 will always have a place in my heart

[soulmates-for-real-tranquility]

In anticipation of AHBL 12, a little throwback from AHBL 8.

Fan: If Baby didn't exist what car would you drive instead?

Audience Suggestion: Volkswagen Beetle!

Jensen starts the pantomime and Jared only needs a glance before he's joining in!

Example 4536798: J2 don't need words to communicate!

Source

[serenescreaming]

Jared's upcoming cons 2024

9-10 March - AHBL, Melbourne Australia 19-21 April - JIB 14, Rome Italy 4-5 May - Liverpool Comic Con 17-19 May - CE, Secaucus New Jersey 25-26 May - Purgatory, Dusseldorf 1-2 June - Darklight, Paris 16-18 Aug - CE, Austin 20-22 Sep - CE, Washington DC 1-3 Nov - CE, Chicago 6-8 Dec - CE, Nashville

[laf-outloud]

So con count vs con count:

Jensen - 15 Jared - 10.

12 out of 15 of Jensen's cons are CE and all 3 non-CE cons are outside of the US (2 of which Jared is also attending - JIB and AHBL - and Purgatory 8). All of his cons are SPN-specific, no general cons.

Jared on the other had is scheduled for 4 CE cons, 4 international cons (JIB, AHBL, Infinity Con, and Darklight Con) and 2 US based non-CE cons (ATL CC and Albuquerque CC).

And Jared still has July, Sept, and Oct free to add more if he wants to try and do one a month like it's appearing he might be doing.

Personally it seems smarter to me to diversify like Jared is doing. Not only because SPN and its specific cons are slowly dying, but also for the fan reach. There is a reason why J2 sell out so fast overseas - its been exponentially more rare for them to attend cons there. Jared is increasing his audience reach but going to more overseas cons. And also he reaches a different audience with the more broad US based cons like ATL or when he did FanX etc. Lots of people don't look at CE when thinking of attending a con because it is so niche for SPN fans pretty exclusively. I know they've tried to diversify a bit with some Smallville or TW ppl but those aren't enough of a draw to really get people to attend who weren't already interested in a SPN con (especially at those prices).

Jared's looking to build his career, not just promote a single role (Sam), especially if he's done with that role (excepting a possible reboot). There's no guarantee how much longer Walker will go, but Jared's appearances at non-SPN cons, particularly in the US, can help promote the show and build his reputation and solidify his fanbase for future projects. He's making long-term moves instead of looking at just the yearly return.

[soulsam]

Sam Winchester x multiples of 5 for the ask game!

LIV!! hi!!!! yes thank you i will always take an opportunity to ramble about samuel william winchester my darling my beloved my everything

5. What's the first song that comes to mind when you think about them?

oh my god this is such a tough question because there are multiple ;-; one is definitely bubblegum bitch because of that legendary edit. another is "something super sweet" by rory webley which as YOU already know is my season 8-9 sam anthem of choice. there are also like a whole bunch of coldplay songs that i think of right away...trouble is probably the biggest one, but paradise and hurts like heaven are definitely up there. and those are not even the only coldplay songs on my sam playlist akjfhdjkfhdjk he's so coldplay-coded. to me. and just for you. just because it is you who asked this question. forget to remember, by mudvayne. from the saw II soundtrack.

(i did an AWFUL job answering the original question but idc!!! i love music, sue me :P)

10. Could you be best friends with this character?

yes. my toxic trait is that i honestly do believe i could be besties with sam winchester. when i'm watching the show i often find myself saying stuff that sam then says seconds after me. he and i could be true crime girlies together (leave me alone okay i promise i'm normal about it). we have drift compatible autism i just know it. we could therapize each other i think

15. What's your favorite ship for this character? (Doesn't matter if it's canon or not.)

ok now you're just indulging me :P the answer is and has always been and will always be WINCEST. SAMDEAN. THE BLOWJOB BROTHERS. how can you not love them. they're brothers they're mother and son they're best friends they're coworkers they're affair partners they're married they're divorced they've got puppy crushes on each other and they have the deepest and most profound love in the universe. they're everything and i love them and i'll never get them out of my brain as long as i live. when i get old and develop alzheimer's i will forget my own mother's name before i forget about them, i just know it. i have never been more autistic about anything than i am about them. to say they've altered my brain chemistry would be the understatement of the millennium. they are everything and i owe my gf my ENTIRE LIFE for showing me a post about sex and violence and opening my eyes to the truth of the wincest gospel

20. Which other character is the ideal best friend for this character, the amount of screentime they share doesn't matter?

oh no this is a tough one too...especially because i haven't finished the show yet ;-; but just from what i know so far...i do think i have to pick rowena. i'm biased as fuck because i think they should have let sam learn to do witchcraft but also. they're just really funny together. and i think crowley and dean would both be really pissed.

honorable mention goes to pre-ahbl ava because i love ava and i've also seen hunted like six times for. um. reasons. and they're just so cute when she's helping him investigate ;-; meg 2.0 might also have been kinda funny.

conclusion: give! sam!! a girlbestie!!!! please!!!!!!

25. What was your first impression of this character? How about now?

ok this one is slightly unfair because i went in knowing i was and would be a samgirl. i had technically seen some of the show before i started for real last october (though i only remembered pieces of the pilot and pieces of mystery spot) and because sam is ~the intellectual one~ (and the one with longer hair. lmao) i was almost certain he'd be more my type than dean.

BUT. INTERESTINGLY. i do think i was actually kind of a stealth deangirl at first. either that or i'm just Easily Manipulated cause i totally fell for dean's unreliable narration and let myself get mad at sam for things i don't hold against him at all anymore. that's not to say i've turned my back on dean, i adore him, but sam !!!! sam!!!!! he's my everything and he's never done anything wrong in his LIFE.

also. fun and terrible fact. back when i was still watching the first few seasons i used to cringe at any screenshots of him in seasons like. 11 or later. i hate change and convinced myself he looked terrible for the entire latter third of the series. can you believe that. it's so funny though because now i'm like. ok. best sam look, mid-late s8. but SECOND best? SEASON 12. HOLY SHIT SEASON 12 SAM. JESUS CHRIST. i finally saw american nightmare the other day and they hit me with the back-to-back priest outfit and red sweater and i was about to faint like some kind of victorian maiden. hoooooly shit. something something frog in boiling water or whatever but oh my god. late seasons sam. cannot believe i turned my back on him for so long. shameful!!!!

anyway !!! THANK YOU for sending in this ask aaa im sorry i went so crazy on it shfdkjhkdjfhdk i'll really be making the lightest commentary in my tags and almost zero personal posts and then someone sends me an ask and all of a sudden i become the world's chattiest cathy. yes this is an open invitation for anyone to send me asks at any time btw. give me more reasons to be chatty (if you dare)!!!

[weaksspot]

samdean marriage. dean’s inability to let sam die at all costs including risking sam hating him for violating his autonomy (again). hot angel that now lives inside of sam for a bit. i made you a promise in that church. ain’t no me if there ain’t no you. sam’s death drive. mentioning the church 8 million times like btw remember the church. remember how we got married. the parallel with ahbl (dean bringing back sam & lying about it). sooooooo much to think about.

[postsofbabel]

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[serpentmessmer]

Fic authors self rec! When you get this, reply with your favorite five fics that you've written, then pass on to at least five other writers. Let’s spread the self-love ❤

this is gonna be me reccing like...basically all of my fics bc at this point i have exactly 5 on ao3 but there's at least one on here so lets gaur

birthdays - i did this one for @lovetransaction's going to lebanon flash series and while it's quick and dirty i'm still really in love with it i'm ngl. thinking about john winchester grieving does things to me

my weapon of choosing - i had so much fun doing second person pov and crawling around dean winchester's head for this one. also one of my favorite paragraphs i've ever written is in here

flesh world - this is VERY short but i love writing a more lynchian dean, he's like....built for it (john is as well, hallelujah amen)

the night does not belong to god - my magnum opus, the longest thing to date i've written and my first fic coming back to writing like...anything for idk probably 7 or 8 years. ahbl needed dean riding his brother's dead boner, and i needed to write it

first night as the prince of hearts - i am on the grind of getting all of my mutuals into superpeaks (and twin peaks by extension) and i had so much FUN writing this wildly sleazy little tryst between john and dean at one eyed jacks

[fratricideknight]

Do you have a favourite spn moment or episode?

hello again! thanks for asking. unfortunately i am going to once again demonstrate that i am incapable of giving a simple answer

so. seasons 1-3 are my favourites. at the moment i have a soft spot for season 6, as well, bc soulless!sam, and season 8 is a banger imo. but i have many favourite episodes, not necessarily falling within my fav seasons, and a sheer incapability to rank things, so i shall simply list my favourites from the first three seasons

s1: pilot, skin, scarecrow, faith, the benders, hell house

s2: basically every episode. but the absolute standouts are: bloodlust, houses of the holy, born under a bad sign, heart, folsom prison blues, what is and what should never be, both parts of ahbl.

s3: bad day at black rock, a very supernatural christmas, mystery spot, ghostfacers!

at some point i might do a breakdown of what i love about each episode from these seasons, whether or not anyone would read it lol, but for now i'll just say that ghostfacers! is an underrated and overhated (according to imdb) episode. it's hilarious, the ghostfacers are some of the best side characters, and i love pov outsider. so there we go.

episodes i'm currently obsessed with are bad day at black rock and frontierland. as for specific moments, when sam sees the "angel" in houses of the holy, the shapeshifter tearing off dean's skin, and soulless!sam biting his wrist to draw a devil's trap in his own blood live in my mind rent free. this will no doubt change in a few days

[incesthemes]

it's so significant to me that do you believe in miracles paralleled all hell breaks loose specifically. because ahbl is the first time dean violates sam's autonomy to bring him back to life. it shows the extreme lengths that dean will go to protect sam, and despite all the other times dean has ignored sam's personhood in his pursuit to keep him alive, this is the moment in the show that fully exemplifies just how codependent these two really are, because there's an entire season dedicated to the consequences of that codependency.

so for dybim to take that imagery and scenario and reverse the roles means that this is supposed to be just as indicative of their codependence. it's a threshold that will have major consequences because sam crossed over the point of no return. there's no going back from choosing unhealthy codependency with your brother, the show is signaling. dean is sam's ultimate decision—he doesn't choose himself, he doesn't choose independence, he chooses dean, and all that that entails. he probably only realizes that all of his posturing about autonomy was a lie at the very moment he says it out loud, but once he's finally honest with himself it's a done deal. just like dean can never go back from his deal for sam's life, sam can never return to any point before this moment. he's in this relationship for good, and he wants to be codependent with dean; that's his decision.

and this is why soul survivor hurts so bad. because dean, like sam in season 9, declares that they're not family, not brothers. the role reversal continues, and sam is now suffering all of the pains he unwittingly put dean through by trying to maintain boundaries between them. now that he's realized he can't handle having those boundaries, any distance between him and dean is too much. here sam is, violating dean's autonomy and saving him against his will, just like dean has done to him so many times before. here he is, listening to dean reject him over and over again, like a parody of all sam's attempts to extricate himself from dean. he's on the other side now, staring down his brother and seeing his past self within him.

9.23 to 10.03 is just a speedrun of the previous 8 seasons but in reverse, with sam enduring the suffering of being in dean's position. and how tragic is it for sam to finally commit to his codependent relationship with dean, only for dean to leave him the moment it happens? how must that feel, for him to finally return his brother's feelings in all their toxic and fucked up glory, only to lose him in the worst way? to have all of his own words shouted back at him with the cruel intent to hurt—jesus christ. how am i supposed to cope with this in any normal way?

[spneveryseason]

Fixed Sam bracket prediction

Finals (top 2):

1. When the levee breaks (winner)

2. Swan song (runner up)

Semi finals (3rd and 4th place):

3. AHBL 1

4. The Man Who Knew Too Much

Quarter finals (5th-8th place):

5. Born Again Identity

6. Sacrifice

7. Nightmare

8. Metamorphosis

[vegancas]

thinking about going to purcon 8, but like if i decide to go i would want to make like a big trip out of it, bcos flights to europe are expensive and i've never been!! but i am nervous about solo travel in countries where i don't speak the language bcos that's also not something i've ever done. like i think if they announced another ahbl like for real i probably wouldn't go (to purcon), but i have this feeling like maybe they're not gonna do another one?? just based on how they kind of said at the last one that they were planning it but that was almost a year ago and there's been no news since?? i need to see the actor man again!!!! 😭😭 dshkfdhjfhf well don't need to decide anything now, if i'm going i'm not gonna buy single day tickets i have to go both days like i'm not going all the way to Germany to only go one day!!! so guess i'll wait a little while before i decide

[j2panelsmedia]

All Hell Breaks Loose 8 2017

2017

[aborddelimpala]

#2017J2Convention

May 7-9, 2017 AHBL, MELBOURNE, AUS

[samndeans]

J2 // ahbl8 (x)