#anti el*cien

[acotar-taylorsversion]

Is anyone one of the OGs and have been around since 2015-2016 like me?

Am I the only one who misses when this series wasn’t so popular? Or when all we had to talk about was how happy feysand made us and how we were so excited for nessian and Elriel when frost and starlight came out?

Like all talk of Nesta rejecting the bond and choosing Eris. ERIS!?!?!? Like what? I’ve been waiting since 2016 for my nessian endgame and if y’all want her to choose Eris so bad then silver flames was just a giant waste of a book.

Same thing goes for Azriel and Eris. Like that’s just wrong. Y’all clearly have forgotten about their history. And the fact that Az was so focused on rescuing ERIS over GWYN should tell you all you need to know about gwynriel.

And everyone is arguing over gwyn this and gwyn that, and how it makes so much sense that the story can ONLY continue with her? I’m sorry, but no. Makes zero sense. Like where’s the love for Elain?

I just hate when I scroll through tik tok and there’s all these videos about how Cassian is shit now and Nesta needs to be with Eris or how Elriels are the biggest delusional readers in the world.

Just makes me frustrated and I know I’m not the only one. Almost 10 years this series has been in my life and it’s just exhausting sometimes.

[acourtoflight]

Elriel is FUN. They actually have stakes. They are both part of the IC. They’re both the prettiest. Shadowsinger and Seer. Dark and light. Relevant to the overarching plot. Romantic tension. Sexual tension. Friends to lovers. Stolen glances. Shy touches. Everything.

Why would I ship anyone else? Because Elriel is too cliché? Bet. This is a fantasy romance series, if you don’t like cliché go read contemporary or lit fic.

[lurkinggirlie]

Elain & Azriel are EndGame

Azriel’s bonus chapter: semi-essay on my thoughts

This post will be a long one. The shipwar has been going on for far too long, and there's a possiblity that we'll be getting closure soon. So, I want to put my thoughts out there. For Obvious reasons, I could be very wrong, but this is what I think based on canon text: (Ignore any errors..I haven't edited this, and I'm sure there are many posts like this that are way more articulate)

Elriel are endgame. If they’re not then Azriel is kinda pathetic and having him end-up with anyone else is bad writing and character assassination. (Which we sadly won’t put past sjm but I don’t think she would..at least I hope)

1- Elain has no other love interest. Yes, Lucien is her mate but we have hinted at a broken/rejected mating bond for the longest time when it comes to these two so having them accept it eventually is going to be quite underwhelming, repetitive and boring. Even Lucien seems to have given up/isn’t interested in bridging that gap between them, which we’re told in both acofas and acosf. Unless you want to count the longing pointed out by Cassian, although Cassian also pointed out that Lucien was also uncomfortable when he mentioned his mate. To add on, there is no sexual tension between the two, and we know how important that is for sjm’s couple. You can't keep whining "but Elain isn't giving him a chance, if only she gave him a chance, then maybe this and maybe that" Elain is not a seprate entity, she is what SJM writes, Sjm could have written that but she did not yet and I'm not sure if she will. It feels too late at this point, she had already shown us that Elain has feelings for someone else aka Azriel. The author doesn't have to spell everything out for us to understand to what's going on. Sarah usually makes it clear who's endgame. and she literally is. So, it would be very sudden and out of the blue if Lucien and Elain were to end up together when she had never shown it before. When even Azriel pointed this out “I think Lucien will never be good enough for her, and she has no interest in him, anyway” people can say Rhys killed elriel, that the bonus chapter ended them. But this line right here tells us otherwise! First we know Azriel and Elain can read each other so well that they don’t need words, and then Azriel tells us this. He’s literally telling us that Elain does not want Lucien.

We also cannot compare elucien to Feysand or Nessian in the “enemies to lovers" department, because these two seem to hardly care about each other. For obvious reasons she wouldn’t accept or reject Lucien in a book that isn’t hers. But if they do end up together I’d feel robbed that she had more sexual tension with Azriel than she did with Lucien. And we know that Nessian and Feysand had sexual tension before getting together. Most of what we got from Elain and Lucien was awkwardness, and discomfort. Not a single spark. Furthermore, it would feel like Azriel was just leading Elain own. Plus their romance (Lucien and Elain)  would not feel organic, only getting with Lucien because she felt rejected by Azriel, which doesn’t give epic romance no matter how sjm tries to spin it. It would always make Lucien seem like the second choice.

2- Azriel regifting the necklace was a dickhead move, and offensive to both girls. Anyone thinking the regifting of the necklace ended elriel or started gwynriel is delusional and clearly doesn’t know how the romance genre works. (should’ve thrown the gift in the Sidra like Cassain did) I can’t believe Rhys isn’t paying Azriel enough that he felt the need to return the necklace to the shop instead of throwing it. Senstive Illyrian baby indeed. 

3- Rhys saying stay away from Elain (can we take a moment to appreciate how sexy Rhys was for pulling rank, he really made the ship more interesting now) and Azriel actually listening to him?? When he told him you can’t order me to do that. shit would be underwhelming if Azriel actually stayed away? Hello? Secret relationship potential ? Hello? Forbidden romance potential  ??? The tropes would be epic. Sjm had never done that. And I’m not saying she will, but this is how I see it playing out. + Azriel saying it was a mistake to Elain, and Elain apologizing?? The fact she was confused/hurt and probably thought she misunderstood the whole situation? SHE IS BABYGIRL?? Regardless, Azriel saying it was a mistake and it being a mistake is NOT it. This is not how romance works most of the time. This is such a basic romantic trope, why are a lot of people misinterepting it? Elain deserves better, and sjm isn’t about to hurt Elain’s feelings without making it up to her. And she’s definitely not making Azriel end up with another girl before he fixes that shit. I will be needing a proper apology to Elain.  

4- Whenever people think of the bonus chapter they weigh in Azriel’s feelings far more than Elain’s. It’s clear that Elain and Azriel’s feelings are MUTUAL, ignore the bonus chapter and it’s right there in the actual book. I don’t think Elain got the memo that Azriel had  a conversation with another girl after he hurt her feelings which made him realize he’s in love all of a sudden. *sarcasm*  that would be very out of character for Azriel. 

5- His chest sparkling at the thought of Gwyn getting the necklace was so??? I have been saying he’s for the streets and yes this was out of pocket. So, I understand people shipping them. However it could mean anything really, you can't continue saying that Gwyn in the bonus has to mean something, and that that spark must mean somethig but continue to disreagrd every single Elriel interaction like they mean nothing. Because for it to be taken as romance we’d have to ignore the beginning of the bonus, the feysand’s bonus acosf/acomaf/acowar and acofas. + we could easily take this in a platonic way, which is how I viewed it when I read the bonus. Not everything has to be romantic. And sjm will NOT introduce a new guy to make him end up with Elain since we already established Elain doesn’t want Lucien and Lucien doesn’t want her either. 

6- I know that a lot of people have theories about Gwyn being a lightsinger and all of this happening because of her powers (While I do think this is very smart, it wasn’t something I thought of so I won’t talk about it). I do think it’s possible, and all the theories I saw were really cool but idk where sjm is going with this, so to make it simple I do think it could be because she’s his student, she went through a lot it could simply be platonic happiness that a girl who went through so much is going to be happy about something. Even if it was a secondhand necklace specifically picked with ANOTHER girl in mind PLUS I do think sjm wanted drama, and for people to doubt elriel cuz now they have all these obstacles, so Gwyn would be the easy choice, but the second choice regardless. The relationship would feel icky and I genuinely cannot see the potential gwynriels keep talking about. I would take the ship a lot more seriously if a) he didn’t regift her another girl’s necklace b) there was more to them in the actual book. c) he wasn’t still upset about it 3 days later… 

7- There’s a high possibility Gwyn never even got the necklace..

He gave it to Clotho not Gwyn, he didn’t want his name mentioned, and then said if any other girl would like it to give it to them: the aim was to get rid of Elain’s necklace. It’s sort of a parallel with Cassain throwing away Nesta’s present.

I think it’s possible that Azriel went there because he knows how much the girls in the library have suffered, especially since his mom did too, it's possible he thought "okay this is a pretty necklace, I don't want to hold onto the reminder of what could've been, so instead of throwing it let another girl be happy about it. At least it won’t go to waste”

Clotho could tell there was something wrong, like maybe she sensed the energy and decided ayeee let me keep this aside for him, he might come back and ask for it. 

The bonus did not happen at the end of the book 

If Azriel was truly in love with Gwyn now /or he wanted her/ or more between them was going to happen/ or they were mates according to some theories we could have AT LEAST gotten more after the bonus. 

We know the bonus happened after solstice.

Nesta mentions that Azriel was stone-faced and more aloof than usual, he wouldn’t even give her a smile. That was 3 days after the necklace situation. I think it would’ve been a great opportunity to highlight any attraction between Azriel and Gwyn.

Maybe he sees the necklace around her neck, maybe Nesta and Emerie compliment Gwyn’s necklace, or Gwyn telling them she doesn’t know who it’s from, maybe they tease her that someone might have a crush on her. Nesta could’ve pointed out that Azriel was looking at Gwyn’s necklace.or looking at Gwyn in some sort of way. Literally anything. 

Anyone pointing out the way Azriel and Gwyn looked at each other. A charged glance perhaps. Literally ANYTHING. We only got him looking at her with admiration which is very teacher coded. 

If sjm hadn’t made Nesta realize Azriel had a thing for Elain then maybe gwnyriel would’ve been more appealing to me. But no, Nesta noticed. This doesn’t mean nothing people.

aside from that we got nothing romantic, but a part of the fandom still acts like we need to exile Elain because she’s coming between Gwyn and Azriel’s epic love story.

Not everyone has access to the bonus.  

The Azriel chapter was only in ONE store in the US, but Feysand’s bonus chapter was in 3 stores in the US and UK. I don't know but something tells me it’s more important.  Soooo if SJM would do a love interest switch she would not do it in a bonus chapter, and wouldn’t be highlighting the Az/Elain interactions in ACOSF as much as she did. 

Feyre’s chapter focuses on Elain, it literally tells us Elain is next once we’re done helping Nesta. EASY MATH. and the Azriel bonus also focuses on elriel/Azriel’s feelings. ENDGAME MATERIAL RIGHT HERE. 

But the girls swear up and down that Gwyn and Azriel’s book is next because of a secondhand necklace. 

Let’s assume elriels are the delusional ones (like so many of them say), how do we explain these. 

Casual readers who usually read books and aren’t on the internet and aren’t looking for bonus content (wish that was me)  (lord knows I skipped every bonus chapter in throne of glass and crescent city and I wasn’t confused about anything. Not even once) so they’d expect answers for 

The Charged glance between Azriel and Elain

Azriel following the sound of Elain’s laughter. 

Elain looking away when Azriel smiled at her during family dinner, Cassian god bless him that idiot could NOT piece all of that together. BUT it was still highlighted through his POV ???

His secret to tell never hers (and we do learn of that secret in the bonus but people who didn’t read it could only guess so they’d want a confirmation) and sjm did say in one of her lives that Nesta learns of one of Azriel’s secrets (she looked all giddy about it)... and that Azriel is going through some shit right now…and we learn why from the bonus chapter. 

Cassian being confused that it seems like Azriel moved on from Mor

Nesta pointing out that Elain moved on from Graysen

Cassian wondering why Elain is lying about where she’s going. (I viewed this as her avoiding Azriel but idk) 

Azriel’s protectiveness of Elain. He gives mate behavior without the mate part. (I will hit him on the head though omg let my girl do something)

Elain willing to look for the troves even when Nesta wasn’t, the girl wants to do something  (her journey is coming next) 

Nesta wondering if Elain is training with Azriel or the twins (who are spies that were trained by Azriel !!!) 

Feyre telling Azriel that Elain got him beat for secret keeping. Sure it might sound delusional but Elain keeps being compared to Az/being a spy and maybe this could be a thing. 

Elain speaking back to her sisters about them treating her like a child?? Hello finally 

The way Elain’s mother only treated her like a pretty doll which shaped up Elain’s whole life??? I want this from Elain’s POV sooo bad 

In conclusion, we’re not pausing Elain’s story so Azriel can end up with a side character in a spinoff about an og side character, we’re sticking to our og side characters for now.

Azriel being over Mor because of Elain, and Elain moving on from Graysen because of Azriel only for Elain to get over Azriel to be with Lucien (who we got nothing from aside a mating bond..) and for Az to get over Elain and questioning fate for her…only to end up with gwyn…like I don’t think anyone could take Azriel’s feelings seriously if this happens. Shit will be too goofy.  Because if he ends up with Gwyn who says he won’t move on to the next pretty girl he sees afterwards.

To add to that, what plot would we have for Azriel and Gwyn. We'll get more Valkyries training, more healing journey so the plot would have to be paused for this. Nesta’s book was mostly about her healing journey and friendship, while it was nice I don’t want a repeat for the next book. Especially since we know the Rite took a toll on Gwyn, she went back to the library, wasn’t even sure she would make it to Nessian’s mating ceremony. This doesn’t give the protagonist of the next book to me. Or "I thought it was pretty obvious"

Elain’s healing journey had started in ACOWAR, she got her friends in ACOWAR. Now is their TIME to do something!! She is next. 

Closing thoughts on what I think would happen based off each ship happening: 

If elriel happens = new sjm couple dynamic/interesting plot. Fresh sjm protagonist that is unlike sjm's others + we don’t ignore all the foreshadowing and hints. We follow the love triangle we set up in the og trilogy + finally get a rejected mating bond. And instead of warrior training we might get spy training and instead of physical power (as far as we know) we get something more mental. Again this is very new for sjm + there’s a lot to Elain’s power that we don’t know and since Azriel was the one who found out what she was, I think it would make more sense for him to know how to help her. Imagine the sexual tension during training..yes please. I hope sjm doesn’t rob me. Elain is really mysterious, we got Nesta’s inner thoughts before her book but we still haven't gotten a peep about Elain’s inner thoughts and I’m just dying to know more. AND THE STAKES!

1) Rhys forbidding Azriel from Elain, 2) Elain’s mating bond,3) Azriel’s self doubt and how he doesn’t think he’s good enough. 4) The blood duel and the political mess we could get into. (Lucien probs won't but what if Beron would, the breeding potential, A seer must be a powerful thing she can see things others can't and I think that’s valuable. If Eris thought Nesta was valuable as cauldron made and there was no potential there, so The Autumn court probably feels even more entitled to Elain) We have high inner and outer stakes. I have a feeling SJM will fumble all this potential but a girl can dream 

If elucien happens = another successful mating bond + “enemies”  to lovers sort of but they won’t ever be mean to each other so maybe not enemies, just dislike and awkwardness to friends to lovers?  We ignore the hints about a rejected bond and in mating bonds we trust. We also ignore all the elriel hints, and their mutual feelings. We follow the love triangle set up in the og trilogy. I don’t think Lucien could train her in anything? Maybe self defense, Idk Sarah could pull something, but I don’t see Elain leaving her circle of friends but neither do I see Lucien settling in the night court and leaving his own friends. There are no stakes but Elain’s and Lucien’s awkwardness around each other + Elain’s feelings for Azriel. Elain’s and Lucien’s plot connects though so at least there’s that, SJM could ship them off on a mission together and make them get closer. Forced proximity sort of thing. 

If gwynriel happens then = we lost the whole plot, ignored the foreshadowing and hints found in the actual book. Mentor to lovers, civil with each other. Azriel has to move on from Elain first though and that could be icky. Healing journey, more Valkyries training. So we pick up from where we left off in acosf, and we’d see Azriel trying to get her to come out of the Library, or he goes to visit her there until she agrees to come out again. Maybe if Gwyn is a lightsinger then idk more training with Azriel? Again, no stakes but Gwyn’s trauma and Azriel’s self doubt oh and also his feelings for Elain. But that’s it, Gwyn as of now does not connect to the overall plot with the troves (she’s not made therefore she can’t use them) or koschei. So I don’t see us making her go on a mission like that. I’ve seen a lot of gwynriles saying Gwyn has spy potential idk where, but she could barely keep a secret for Nesta so I highly doubt she’d be keeping secrets for the IC. 

Ps: the original koschei plot is 3 sisters marrying 3 very powerful wizards and like idk 3 sisters 3 brothers…we can have a retelling ya know 

[silverdreamscapes]

It’s hard to believe that Elain will be the main character or the main focus of an elucien book…when 90% of the theories I’ve seen posted by eluciens all revolve around Lucien and not Elain.

For all this talk of Elain needing to leave the NC and her family to “find herself” and become her own person, it’s weird that most of the plot points of an elucien book center Lucien and not Elain.

Elain has to leave the Night Court so that she can live with Lucien in the Day Court or Autumn Court because those are the ones that he’s most connected to. Not her.

Elain has to leave her family which she loves so that she can live with Lucien’s family and help heal all of those broken bonds apparently. Elain just needs to forget her family because sometimes sisters just don’t get along or need to be close. But yet somehow, Lucien needs to heal the rift with him and Eris. And then Elain needs to help him through the shock of learning Helion and not Beron is his father. So basically fuck Elain’s family, Lucien’s is more important

Elain needs to leave her friends Nuala and Cerridwen who played a pivotal part in her healing. So that she can hang out with Lucien’s friends the BOE. One of which includes a man who played a very big part in her trauma.

The rejected mating bond that’s been hinted at has nothing to do with Elain. It has to do with Lucien’s parents, Helion and Lady Autumn. A rejected mate bond would be a huge storyline for any book but it’s going to be a side plot with the side characters involved in Lucien’s storyline. And then Elain can pat his hand and comfort him through all the angst after the Maury Povich reveal that Beron is in fact not the father.

Who cares about Elain being a seer or a spy when she can play the socialite trophy wife to Lucien the grand Emissary and High Lord. She can mingle and plan parties and be pretty and charming at balls because apparently she’s a giant extrovert (which we have not seen).

For all this discourse around an Elriel book being bad for Elain because Azriel would be the focus and not Elain, I have yet to see a plot for an elucien book that centers on Elain and not Lucien. So I find it hard to believe they actually care about Elain, when she seems like nothing more than a means to an end to give the poor ginger cinammon roll Lucien the story and ending they think he deserves.

[elrielmoments]

Reminder: Azriel’s bonus chapter doesn’t take place at the end of Silver flames. It takes place the night of Solstice in Silver flames which is the middle / towards the end of the book. His bonus chapter takes place before Nesta and her friends were taken into the blood rite. Before Nesta is taken into the blood rite, she see’s Azriel in training and comments about how upset he looks (because Rhys told him to stay away from Elain and he likes her). Then, Nesta and her friends are taken into the blood rite. Azriel doesn’t care enough to break the rules to save / help them. He only cared about finding / questioning Eris. (Yet when Elain was captured in Acowar, he risked his life to save her and no one or anything was going to stop him). Then, Nesta and her friends get out of the blood rite, the whole thing with Feyre happens, the sisters spend time together and the book is over.

[pastelpinkkadan]

If we look at it from a PURELY logical and text based standpoint (no theories, no opinions on ships, no “I feel like…”, JUST text), we can pretty much guarantee two things.

Elain is the next MC.

Azriel is also the next MC.

Why?

Because everything has been set up for BOTH of them.

Azriel has gotten a bonus chapter from his POV. The most important part of that BC, was the FACT that it was from his POV. Just like Cassian got his own POV to help set him up for ACOSF. If Az was not the next MC, there’d be NO reason to give him a POV chapter. Absolutely none.

Elain is connected to pretty much every remaining plot point that the ACOTAR series has. The Dread Trove, Koschei, and yes the Band of Exiles. She has some sort of connection to each of these things, whether it’s through her Seer powers, court politics, or connections to other people. She is also the ONLY Archeron sister without a book yet. And, if we’re going off the clear pattern that SJM has set, she is obviously next.

If Lucien was next, he would have gotten a POV chapter. Or at the VERY least been in ACOSF in some meaningful way. But he wasn’t, at all. In fact Eris was featured more than him! This was the time to set Lucien up and SJM didn’t do it. Where was HIS bonus chapter? Where was HIS scene with Elain? Nonexistent.

If Gwyn was next, she’d be connected to ANY of the remaining plot points I mentioned. Obviously connected, by the way, not far reaching theories. But she isn’t. Like, at all. Hell, SJM could have easily had Gwyn say she was ready to leave the library and go explore the world, try something new, go on an adventure, or ANYTHING related to having her get her own story. Literally anything. But Gwyn went back to the library at the end of ACOSF, and SJM made a point to mention that.

Two characters have obviously been set up to have their stories told . Only two.

If the next ACOTAR book was about Elain and Lucien, you’d have to COMPLETELY ignore Azriel’s POV chapter and everything SJM has been giving him.

If the next ACOTAR book was about Azriel and Gwyn, you’d have to COMPLETELY ignore major plot points that borderline REQUIRE Elain to be present in them in a big way. And add a character that has NEVER been apart of these plot lines before, and wasn’t added to them during ACOSF either.

It’s not about “what ship you think is better”. It’s about what is ACTUALLY and BLUNTLY there in the text. With text, it doesn’t require imagining a bunch of scenes that haven’t happened or how you THINK two characters would act as a couple. It’s already there.

If you have to ignore entire characters and plot points, if they can’t exist or be around to make your ship plausible, then it’s not as valid as you think.

Thank you and make sure to tip your waitress.

[intairnwetrust]

Why do i ship Elriel?

Because Elain wants Azriel

Why i don't ship Elucien?

Because Elain doesn't want Lucien

It's that simple

[lunaduskxo]

Wanna hear something crazy?

The only thing tying Elain to Lucien is a mating bond.

That’s it.

What else do they have? A friendship?

Nope.

That’s all g*ynriels and el*ciens have.

We have named every canon scene between Elain and Azriel and still they say it means nothing.

What irks me the most is the saving of Gwyn is like if Azriel went just for her. It wasn’t the case! The IC was there to save everyone they could! Again, he didn’t see or hear from her for two years!

Azriel walked into that Hybern Camp for Elain and Elain alone.

Let that sink in.

[kita98]

SJM when asked who the next book is about

Antis: "there's no foreshadowing between Elriel, their interactions are not romantic. Have you read the BC??!!"

the BC: there she was, Az had stayed by the door the whole time in case it became too much and needed to leave (his secret to tell never hers), they'd exhanged looks, the occasional brush of their fingers, Azriel wanting to get on his knees to taste Elain, Az and Elain about to kiss.

Antis: "elriel is too obvious, SJM wouldn't do that"

sjm setting up the forbidden romance for the spymaster who had lovers he kept secret and the seer who knows how to keep secrets and had her sister wondering if she took lessons in stealth by Azriel or her besties who are spies (and work with him).

[dazedandshadowed]

Interesting…I saw an anti post claiming that it’s not what the man wants but what the woman wants.

Now this may have been an anti Vassien post but they mention how we know nothing of Vassa’s sexual orientation and if she’s even interested in Lucien.

We do KNOW that Elain is not very interested in Lucien but in a certain shadowsinger.

Funny enough, wouldn’t that fit the bill for Gwyn? Antis assuming she is interested in Azriel…she’s made no mention of longing for love.

[acotar-taylorsversion]

Gwynriels and eluciens, this soft launch of Elriel and Elain being the next main character is for you guys cause you guys obviously don’t get it.

We know it’s not a confirmation, but like Sarah has said, isn’t it obvious? We know it’s coming.

Acotar isn’t about a Pegasus, or priestesses, or valkyries, or whatever it is you guys think GWYN (and not emerie for some reason) is gonna do for the illyrians, none of that. Like Azriel hates the illyrians, he’s not gonna do anything to fix or help them, that would be Cassian, who actually loves his people despite what they’ve done. It’s about FEYRE and her sisters, and their stories and choices. It’s always gonna be centered around the archerons.

Those of us that have been around since the beginning, like since 2015 like me, have sensed this from the beginning. It’s been obvious ever since Elain and Azriel met in mist and fury and then again when rejecting a mate and questioning the cauldron was brought up in wings and ruin.

I’m sick and tired of this idiotic ship war, especially when one of the ships doesn’t even exist in canon. Like Sarah never talks about gwyn, never talks about Lucien anymore. She only mentions Elain and Azriel and you guys can’t connect the dots. Well, I think you can, you guys just refuse to accept what the rest of fandom knows. The next book is gonna be Elain and Azriel’s story and then the last acotar book is more than likely gonna be a multi pov book, similar to kingdom of ash, centered around the 3 main couples and their friends as they defeat the big bad and finish the series.

Sorry for the rant. I’ll probably get bitched at or a screen shot will be taken and I’ll be trashed on the other side. I’m just tired of the other side treating us like we’re the delusional ones. Sometimes they make no sense at all, it’s comical.

[acourtoflight]

sound familiar?

[lurkinggirlie]

Why is it when Cassian was jealous, and told Rhys how jealous he is of him and how feysand have THAT mating bond love story no one accused him of just wanting a mate. But the minute Azriel does it he just wants a mate and doesn’t have actual feelings for Elain, and that either Gwyn or someone else will show up, be his mate and make him forget alllll about Elain.

What of this quote “that love would trump even a mating bond.” doesn’t give you guys an epic love story ?? Sure it was used for Graysen but we saw how that didn’t work out.

[elrielbaby]

The way antis only look at things in a vacuum absolutely needs to be studied.

We’re excited about Time Magazine shouting out Elain & Azriel (and only Elain & Azriel)

They say: ‘Well all elriels have is magazine articles, we have canon on our side!’

We’re excited about canon text that proves our ship, over and over and over again.

They say: Well, look at this Facebook comment from SJM in 2017, before ACOWAR came out!

We’re excited because SJM wears something extremely Elain coded in a HOFAS selfie

They say: Ugh, and that’s all they cling to! How ridiculous -

Meanwhile, they’re over here calling it confirmation because Azriel is involved in a bonus chapter, and shouting from the roof tops because it being called ‘House of Flame and Shadow’ must mean it includes G*ynriel! (To this day I do not know why. Shadows because of Azriel obviously but how G*yn relates to Flame I haven’t got a clue. Maybe because her hair is red?)

They’ll say Azriel was only interested in Elain sexually because of the bonus chapter, yet seem to skip how he describes her so beautifully as she comes from under the stairs, how they can read each other without the extra help of Azriels shadows - they seem to forget the previous four books of interactions the two have, or even more hilariously, they do remember them but pass them off as brother/sister vibes… to which I am usually speechless because I cannot fathom admitting that, particularly after the bonus chapter and then expecting me to come around to your way of thinking, apparently?

But yeah. We’re crazy and have nothing 🤪

[elrielmoments]

It’s funny how people call Elain the boring one when Lucien has done absolutely nothing in four books other than bitch about everything.

Elain is a seer (which is technically a spy). She is a part of the inner circle, she killed the king of hybern, fought off hounds to protect Azriel, found a trove, is willing to help with whatever the rest of the inner circle needs etc.

Lucien has done fuck all except find Vassa (which is great), complain about everything, show how ungrateful he is and continue to be rude to everyone.

And all people continue to do is baby him and say how great he is and he deserves this and that and the other thing.

“Poor Lulu 🥺” yeah, you’re right. Poor Lulu, he’s a fucking loser.

[pastelpinkkadan]

It is WILD to me that Azriel rescued Elain from Hybern (without being ordered too. He was determined to go even at the cost of his own life), found out that she was a Seer (which a Mate should have been able to do, supposedly…), has voluntarily spent hours with her in the garden, bought and received Solstice gifts for/from Elain, and has literally questioned the integrity of The Cauldron….

Yet he ONLY lusts for Elain???

That’s actually asinine.

If you truly believe that, you haven’t read the books. Or you think one bonus scene of him finally admitting that he ALSO (not only) feels lust for Elain somehow cancels out everything else he’s done…idk what to do tell you.

If it had only been about lust, he wouldn’t have done any of the above for Elain.

If he only wanted a mate, he would not go for a female who is already (unhappily) mated.

If he only wanted sex, there are PLENTY of females for him to choose from. And Mor has already stated that, while private about it, Azriel does not have a problem with getting laid.

It’s not just lust. Be so for real.