#bc hes doing this for cube and squiddo

[mcytegg]

do you think zam, with his hands soaked in blood, thinks himself unworthy of holding 4c close? do you think hes afraid to stain 4cs hands with blood too?

[coffeegnomee]

gnome save me gnome save me gnome save me gnomesavw me,,,, 4c revealed a bit more abt prism by showing a secret room and its prismS now. new s!!! i immediately thought of u bc u are smart and u love these sort of things :D

- mcytegg 🥹

Ahhhhhh Veni Tegg Mcytegg I've been so busy with life I totally missed 4c updates until just now. ty ty ty for pointing it out.

I agree with the posts I just looked up about what people (and you) were saying about the flowers and colors and letters. I think the general consensus of it being the first letters of the names of people that 4c is doing this trust thing with is accurate. Colors and flower colors symbolizing mc skins. Princezam, Rekrap (sooooorry. It would be so cool if it was Ro. but ro is too purple looking and 4c has a better connection with Rek. and Rek's hoodie has bright blue), Itzsubz, Squiddo, Manepear, Spoke are my vote for the people.

My thoughts besides that:

The room was split in the middle with grass on one side and dead bushes on the other.

That puts Zam, Rek, and Subz on the growing side and Squiddo, Mane, and Spoke on the dead side. Plausibly the people who create vs the people who destroy. (shoutout Jay marshmarrows for that distinction)

Given the timeline of when 4c likely designed this room, subz was not making wardens and destroying spawn. But it was after Mane destroyed spawn even though imo he added Mane to this list from his very early season actions of protecting the chunguses of the server. Clown called him "mr. morality" in the early weeks of the server bc he would only kill people who killed defenseless players.

Which brings me to how spoke was seemingly added only after this room was made, the original signs being prism, not prismS. like you said.

I was a fan of spoke being on the original list bc of the clues squiddo dropped of spoke giving them the bugbombs and spoke alluding to making someone else into the server villains, ie FOCUS. But with the black S being last, that does feel like he was added last.

OR he added Squiddo last so that the room was even on both sides, but potentially wanted to de-emphasize them and emphasize spoke, since you see the Spoke and Zam flowers first and it's quite a nice dramatic look, the white oxyeye daisies and jet black wither roses. And it's so poetic for season 3.

I didn't like squiddo on the original list bc they're already on FOCUS and cube doesn't seem to be on this list at all and I dont like that cause of how 4c so specifically keeps saying he's loyal to FOCUS over everything else. So if one is on this list why are both not on this list ESP since this list was created after the start of the server. But Cube isn't involved as much and Squiddo has some devious sounding possible plans that keep cropping up, that possibly lead to destruction, so it makes sense for them to be on this list over Cube, esp with how this room is designed to be. (also squiddo's ign is TheRealSquiddo. not Squiddo. and the rest are ign first letters, Itzsubz and princezam. so that's also why I think they were added in for this new room rather than being included in the first)

So we have Zam and Rek being the main contenders for people who would save the season (and subz before his wardens) vs the three people who are the main contenders that would end the season.

But it is Fascinating to note how my original thought of the I in prism being i, me, like 4c is now thrown totally out because it's not in the middle anymore now that there's a second S.

Now 4c himself stands in the middle, and the "altruistim" sign stands in the middle, tearing the room in half between grass and dead bushes. "the practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others." Not interested in if they deserve it or not. Not worried about himself. Only concerned with the well-being of them, but tearing himself apart in the process, leaving him wondering "who am I", thrown across the grown in colorful refractions.

And to do that he had to add an S. it's interesting to watch this concept develop in real time, while still sticking to the original idea.

Which brings me to the design of the room.

Behind each letter is a massive red pillar that waves in and out, and I jokingly described them as umbilical cords until that descriptor made more sense than it didn't. As red pillars they immediately look evil, but I would be surprised if this arc had any evil ideas behind it. The pillars attach to the ceiling, and the whole room is shaped like a cave.. or womb.

Umbilical cords give nutrients and life to the in-utero baby, all while the baby doesn't have any idea what's happening. One could say, in a weird way, 4c is giving life and aid to these players like a mother gives life and her body to the growing child in her womb.

Or they just look cool. idk.

But connecting all the 6 supposed members together with the same umbilical cord-like structures is an odd visual for how 4c views how these players are connected. Even despite which side of the room they're on.

They're not just connected to him through the giant Prism in middle of the room, made, for instance, out of a light blue stained glass (for him). If anything he IS the prism in the center, the blue object that refracts the light into different colors, revealing the hearts of those he helps.

No. They're connected to each other through the same red pillars. Or he could have easily designed each pillar with the blocks he used for the letters: each block chosen has both slabs and blocks so the detailing would have been possible. Or just not used red.

There's also this theme of redstone ores and using red dye for the "nothing is ever as it seems" sign. idk why but the redstone ores in the walls of the daisy room have always stuck out to me.

And now there's a red sign. In stark contrast to the blue-ink and white-ink signs of the daisy room.

And there's red pillars.

"nothing is ever as it seems"

Is that 4c's actions are never as it seems: that nobody on the server understands his pov.

Or that these clues are all red herrings. (RED. waiiiit)

but if Nothing is as it seems, what's the point of any of this clue giving. And yet if you just look at the letter/flower/color clues Everything seems to be Exactly As It Seems. There are literally no other lifestealers these colors could symbolize. (ok, by technicality, Ro could be the R by a very very weird turn of fate. but the tunnel rats are too close to being exactly what 4c means when he says "if they ask me for anything I'll do it")

Which just leaves me a bit flabbergasted as to what could be the Nothing that seems to be something that it is not.

Which does make me wonder (and now we're really going into conspiracy theory) if 4c wants to do an Explode Everything arc and pit the "good" side of the server against the "evil", show them they're connected and need each other for the livelihood of the sever. Maybe explode everything is too dramatic. more like mash them together and make them see how they're connected.

These are the people 4c said, "A few months ago i thought up a few people who i liked what they were doing and i thought it would be interesting to be loyal to them as well. And they don't know it.”

"liked what they were doing" not, "thought they were doing good."

and another time: “Cause if i support someones wrongs, everything they do, even if i don't agree with it, if i support it, if i do something wrong in the future i can trust that they will support me in the same way.”

And here they are, connected together, the good and the evil.

What kind of pull the strings from behind the curtain arc could this become. A make all sides have equal aide from a disinterested source that selflessly gives everything for another's benefit. All the while accidentally drawing the server into more and more conflict.

But hey, i love a good villain. And I have always thought 4c would make a fascinating world ender.

The only final thing I don't have any crack pot ideas about are why the heck are the signs around "altruism" like that. It's oak, spruce and dark oak. it's so extra. And the top line is different than the bottom.

it's just weird. 4c is so strange. But it seems significant. Some kind of continuation of the light and dark, grass and dead theme going on.

and the glass floor is prismatic rays except, and im being perfectionistic about it, prism refracting is a perfect rainbow, not a hodge-podge of rainbow colors.

but that's okay.

it's kind of interesting that it's like a river 4c walks through, that doesn't enter any of the letter's spaces. and it isn't lit up like prismatic refraction would be. But I think it is just supposed to be the prism effect.

He wades through seeing exactly how people are, what they think. Overhearing all conversations. He is the prism receiving the light from the players and understanding them completely.

Maybe that's simply what "nothing is as it seems" means. It's a continuation of the thoughts 4c has about when you see everything it hurts to choose, when you know everything how do you know what to do.

[mcytegg]

im ngl i had a Feeling it was 4c who built the mystery house bc most people on the server are extremely obvious abt everything they do. they want to be recognized, for what theyve done to be known, so they wouldve made it clear who they were or told someone abt how theyre apart of zaun

the only person who cares abt zam, and by extension zaun, like that who wouldn't make a fuss of it or want to be known is 4c. bc even if he Did want to be known. to be recognized. him putting a home for himself in zaun is already the most selfish he can allow himself to be bc him wanting to be there at all and even having smt for Himself is a lot for someone like 4c since everything hes done in the season so far, for better and for worse, has been for squiddo and cube in some way.

i forgot what else i was gonna say oops. but like yea im glad it was 4c and that we know now. god forbid anyone be Normal abt zam <3

[mcytegg]

yippie!!! theorycrafting on who i think mapicc meant when he said there was one person he could trust ^-^ using a tierlist to simplify it in 5 main categories & 3 subcategories

the five main categories :

trust AND has hearts (empty)

is exactly what it says on the tin. they're people who i think mapicc would trust not to betray him by going behind his back and who have enough hearts to be useful in pvp against people like flame, mane, or clown. and as u can see,,, this category is empty LOL idt theres anyone he trusts outside of his teammates who has who has the hearts not to quickdrop @_@

no trust but has hearts (rek, hannah, pentar, ecorridor, squiddo, and subz)

is people who have the hearts to theoretically keep up w the 20 heart beasts, but are people mapicc doesnt trust not to use or betray him to varying degrees. (for example, i would not put his distrust in squiddo into the same category as his distrust in team pe OR his lack of trust w hannah)

trust but has no hearts (ro, bacon, and planet)

is people i think mapicc would be confident wouldnt betray him, BUT they lack the hearts (...and pvp skill...) to go into fights w him. like realistically, if he pulled up into a fight w them they'd just be feeding hearts nd loot to players who are already 20 heart beasts LMFAO

no trust AND no hearts (4c, woogie, jumper, leo, spep, terrain, wemmbu, and poafa)

is people he wouldn't trust to not betray him AND who would be deadweight in a fight because theyre too low on hearts to do anything but die.

not even considered (ash, cube, mid, jaron, redd, and vortex)

is people who i just . dont think would ever cross his mind to consider allying w im ngl LMFAO like im sorry but they just dont login— and even if they did, he probably wouldnt trust them.

the three subcategories :

teammates (minute, jepexx, spoke, chief, and zam)

mapicc's teammates!! people he'd trust w both his life AND the mace if they played the server (or had the hearts to go into a fight ToT)

flamefrags (flame)

flame is in his own category between teammate and enemies because his relationship w mapicc is complicated. theyve been...allies? teammates? for 3 ish months now and have surprisingly remained loyal to one another despite having no real reason Not to betray. flame is teamed w mane and has made it clear how deeply loyal he is to him, but today he wasnt seen directly helping mane & clown hunt mapey, and he even advised mapicc not to fight clown after asking if they were still cool. so like. its very on the fence, whether they still have trust or not LOL

enemies (clown, mane, sb, pangi, and derap)

people who confirmed want to kill mapicc OR who mapicc himself wants to kill. clown and mane are actively hunting him down and sb is threatening to decimate mawn so, yeah LMFAO. also mapicc made it clear today that although hes civil w derap, he still considers him an enemy.

so!!!! with all of those properly explained— that begs the question, who do i think mapicc WILL go to so he isn't completely alone? and i actually do have someone in mind. BUT!!!! its one person who like kinda comes in a package deal.......

and that person is................

bacon !!! YIPPIE !!!!!!! the reason i think that its bacon of all people that he'll fall back on is bc he has the ex teammate bias for him, bacon actually Plays The Server, he has no reason to betray mapicc, and working w bacon comes working w hannah. working w bacon and hannah makes sense bc although he doesnt have trust in hannah YET, her loyalty to bacon means she is Much less likely to betray mapicc for any reason. hannah herself is high enough on hearts and good enough at pvp to make any uneven fights against mane and clown more survivable at the very least for her and mapicc.

the only other real options mapicc has i think would be like, team pe who i think is wayyyyy too closesly allied w the bfb nd clown for mapicc to trust. derap, who mapicc does Nawt respect or fw enough to trust him not to betray or just Die in fights bc hes lowk a 20 heart qd. and ro, who like, as much as he may trust her she just doesnt play the server nd shes on like 4? 5? hearts so she would just die if he involved her in this— and although she Would walk into a fight knowing she's prob gonna die, it isnt all that helpful if she just dies and dies and dies for him.

[mcytegg]

OKAY WAIT NO I REMEMBER. the thing abt 4c is he WANTS to be seen and recognized by Specific people but its not smt he allows himself bc he only trusts himself. he doesnt trust anyone else w his secrets or w the safety and happiness of the people he holds dear— so even if he WANTS to tell others abt his secrets and his plans, its not something he will ever be able to share bc he has so much to lose by doing so.

and the fandom annoys me sm bc 4c only ever tells people, even stream chat, what he WANTS them to know. he has so many secrets, yet whenever he Chooses to share or even hint at one of them people act like thats all there is to him and that they have him all figured out. "oh so his secret was the bfb alliance? oh it was just the timestopping? it was just the tunnel rats? thats all?"

like PLEASEEEEEE. thats not ALL there its, thats just all hes willing to share. like even now hes told chat repeatedly that he has things w focus he cant share on stream. that he has things of his own he cant share on stream. that some of his secrets, he cant even share w cube or squiddo. its like people want or expect him to be an easy to understand person when he simply Isnt so when they get frustrated bc they cant easily pick him apart, they write him off and its so. UGH. yk?

im ngl i had a Feeling it was 4c who built the mystery house bc most people on the server are extremely obvious abt everything they do. they want to be recognized, for what theyve done to be known, so they wouldve made it clear who they were or told someone abt how theyre apart of zaun

the only person who cares abt zam, and by extension zaun, like that who wouldn't make a fuss of it or want to be known is 4c. bc even if he Did want to be known. to be recognized. him putting a home for himself in zaun is already the most selfish he can allow himself to be bc him wanting to be there at all and even having smt for Himself is a lot for someone like 4c since everything hes done in the season so far, for better and for worse, has been for squiddo and cube in some way.

i forgot what else i was gonna say oops. but like yea im glad it was 4c and that we know now. god forbid anyone be Normal abt zam <3