#because orchis is the most important rabbit to him

[handfulofmuses]

Was thinking about Lofty’s post regarding TV series Orchis in season three and how he wants the General out of the picture at this point and it got me thinking.

Like I said before, Woundwort got him when he was alone and at his lowest. But now he is reunited with his brother.

Part of him wishes to just ditch everything with his brother because what’s the point? Woundwort will never appreciate him and he realizes that. He has enough of always receiving the shorter end of the stick, no matter what he does. Unfortunately, he already ditched his chief rabbit when Hazel and his warren attacked, so he cannot pull the same thing twice, not when he knows what punishment will await him for betraying the general.

Not to mention if he suddenly betrays him after trying to convince Woundwort that Campion is a traitor (again) what does that make him look like?

General Woundwort is safety - even if they left, where would they go? He is terrified of a repeat similar to Aspen. He doesn't want to lose his brother through a predator as well. So he stays by his generals side, thinking it’s the safer option for him and Orchis. So he remains by his side - because he also doubts that Hazel and his warren can take on general Woundwort, who has become more driven by hatred than ever.

[echoeternally]

Which Mario characters would be, as Watership Down Characters, and vice versa?

You know, I took some time to think about this one today, and I’ve got to admit, for my tastes, I can’t think of a feasible way that this works out. And it’s for a few reasons that kind of get me hung up.

Honestly, I think it comes down to at least four pretty divisive factors that keep them from being compared on an equal scale, and adds a terribly heightened challenge to it all. These would be: gender ratios (A), inconsistent characterizations (B), mismatching personalities ©, and cast prominence (D).

Obviously, it’s a lot to get into, so, I’ll include that in a portion below the cut. If you keep going, I’ll try to properly explain why it’s not just a clear-cut question to answer for this one.

A) First, gender ratios, which can be worked around based solely on personality, but still glares out big time. Watership Down has some female characters on the roster, but they tend to matter little comparatively. Hell, there are multiple characters that started as male that were later swapped to female roles in later adaptations. It’s good, and shows that the role can be played by a character, not a gender. But it’s also a reminder that the original work is dated in its viable female cast. By contrast, Mario has a nice number, and they stand out a lot better, each with unique and distinct roles, personalities, and general flavors that they add. They’re fun and dynamic, a highlight to see.

B) This actually leads into the next point, though, which would be the inconsistent characterizations. Both franchises kind of mess around with how their characters are portrayed and what they do. Sure, you get the basics well enough with the major characters: Hazel’s the brave hero leader, Mario tends to be that too. Fiver’s the timid younger brother, so is Luigi.

But it gets weirder the further down the cast list you go. Bowser’s the big bad guy, but depending on his role as the main villain or not, he can either be sympathized with, or totally evil; he’s maybe just looking for love, or has insatiable desires for conquest. Bigwig is a strong authority figure, but can either be super loyal or a part-time jerk that questions his own leader’s authority. Peach is helpless, or more powerful than she lets on. Hell, Clover took over half of Hyzenthlay’s role in the latest adaptation, and they’re far from the only instance of variable depictions in the series, further depending on the characters that are used. Overall, these changes can make them flexible to develop over time, but it makes them harder to pin down on which role defines them best.

C) And that flexibility also leads to mismatching personalities between the casts of both stories. Because Rosalina first appeared as this quiet, graceful, and yet all powerful entity, we’d picture that side to her, kind of elevating her above the usual human counterparts she’d stand beside, calling into question if she’s even human herself. But she’s later show to have simple joys and pleasures, so she’s not totally detached and above it all. This doesn’t quite equate to any particular character in Watership Down; you could try to make her on par with the Black Rabbit of Inlé, based on powers and ethereal-vibes, but Inlé is too tied with death to be a fair comparison for Rosalina.

Likewise, we have characters from Watership Down known for their stock personality types: Blackberry is the smart one, Strawberry is the big eater, and Hawkbit is the deadpan snarker. None of these particularly hit Mario characters due to their shifts in depictions. Sometimes the big eater is Bowser, sometimes it’s Luigi (yeah). Rosalina seems smart, but Yoshi and Toad have been depicted this way as well. Virtually any one of the Mario cast can fall into sarcasm and dry humor. It’s touch-and-go, but doesn’t give a solid match-up for anyone.

D) Finally, if the mentions above didn’t already make it obvious, then the issue falls to how the casts line up with first themselves, and then one another. The core cast for Mario’s main game franchise tends to fall upon Mario, Peach, Bowser, and typically Luigi to round up the rest, though sometimes he can be left out. Watership Down’s main group would likely be Hazel, Fiver, Bigwig, and General Woundwart. These are more or less the essential characters to have for there to be a story to tell for the franchises.

From there, have fun figuring out who matters and to what level. You can probably safely include higher profile picks for the major characters of each. Mario tends to favor Yoshi, some form of Toad, and generally a rotating female cast member, plus a sidekick villain or a few. Watership Down gets a way better story including the heroism from Hyzenthlay (or a female character that takes on her role for the story), and the undermining plots of whoever gets to be Woundwart’s second-in-command. That could form your secondary main characters.

But it just keeps going from there, and each character is weighted differently. Toad can be an individual and important, but also can get shafted for another more important Toad (Toadette, Toadsworth), or simply suffice as a species, not an individual. Should he be considered main or minor? Dandelion is usually lorekeeper alongside being the fastest, but both of these roles have been divided and distributed to other rabbits (Bluebell and Blackavar respectively), calling into question his prominence. Kehaar tends to always appear, but he can be written around pretty easily. Similarly, Bowser sometimes relies on the Koopalings, but they can also be missing for something close to a decade without the blink of an eye. Who matters, who doesn’t? It depends on the audience, and their interests.

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Honestly, I even tried breaking it down for the characters on each level, and I had a list spanning past 20 characters on each side. And I wasn’t even including everyone, but just the characters that I felt were important. Trying to mix and match them was even worse, to the point where it really couldn’t be done on a really fitting level.

Going by canon interpretations for both, I think you’ve got, at best:

Mario = Hazel

Luigi = Fiver

Bowser = General Woundwart 

Peach = Hyzenthlay

Yoshi = Bigwig

That’s going by a core cast, with some additions to make sure the major-most of each group gets included. It’s not great either, for several reasons, since Bigwig and Yoshi do not have comparable personalities, but are both strong. Bowser’s also got redeeming qualities to him that actually earn him some sympathy points, whereas Woundwart…well, I think writers have tried, but he’s best as irredeemable and blatantly evil.

Personally, if I were to go maybe one extra level and include Daisy for main cast on the Mario side, I’d fit her to Bigwig, and instead equate Yoshi to Dandelion, as both of the latter two are known for speed, while the former two can be tough, but also caring as well. But I don’t feel that Dandelion and Daisy are as important to their franchises, whereas one could argue a little harder for Yoshi, and Bigwig is easily important to the story.

I even tried going on my fanfic interpretations (of at least the Mario characters) to see if that would line up better, but then that just screws up where the main villain connects. Because, that would instead look like:

Mario/Luigi = Hazel/Fiver

Bowser = Bigwig

Peach? = Hyzenthlay?

??? = General Woundwart

Because, based on how I’ve written them so far, Bowser’s even less of an evil force, and more motivated based on his heart and his people. This makes no one particularly equal to Woundwart. Conversely, Peach is a lot, well…she’s hardened. If one were to go by Hyzenthlay’s depiction in the Netflix miniseries, I’d wager that’s good enough. But this splits who Hyzenthlay is, so the character doesn’t quite feel whole. Oh, and Mario tends to be leader-like, but also has weird powers and visions going on, which helps Luigi step up into his role in his absence, so…they both have shades of Hazel and Fiver’s roles.

Furthermore, I get lost in my own biased interpretations of the fanfic I’m never writing for Watership Down, so that would make going down the rabbit hole a lot more terrifying. Well, for you reading this, anyway; I’d be thrilled to keep it going and gush about personalities in my head for the WD cast, lol.

So, that’s kind of how it goes in my mind. Yes, I’m positive there’s enough flexibility to go down each list and match up characters based on as much as possible for each side of them, or by ignoring some things. Mixing some canons together, you could get:

Mario = Hazel

Luigi = Fiver

Peach = Hyzenthlay

Daisy = Bigwig 

Bowser = General Woundwart

Kamek = Vervain/Orchis/Whoever the schemer to Woundwart is

Yoshi = Kehaar 

Toad = Pipkin/Bluebell

Toadette = Clover

Wario = Strawberry

Waluigi = Cowslip

Bowser Jr = Campion

Rosalina = Dandelion

Here, not only do these feel weirdly off when you look further into those characters, but it doesn’t really cover them properly, nor does it pick the best from the rosters of each. Yoshi’s kind of the foreign type to the core cast, so he connects well enough with Kehaar. This, however, chooses to ignore his famous speed that aligns him best with Dandelion, which instead relates his storytelling to Rosalina, because both tell stories, but that’s where their similarities end. We also choose to ignore Yoshi’s big appetite, which would connect best to Strawberry, putting the much less important Wario up to that role.

Similarly, this also confuses the interpretations on certain Watership Down characters based on how they’re depicted, and then sort of picks a Mario character that might connect. The easier one is Woundwart’s right hand scheming little twerp, which has been both Vervain and Orchis in the tv series and miniseries respectively. They work in a role similar to Kamek, a dutiful but terrified henchman.

It gets worse, though, when we hit something like Pipkin or Bluebell, as the latter was absent from the tv series, the former from the miniseries, and though both have some childish innocence to them, neither personality ends here for either. Toad, when he’s fleshed out as a standalone character, probably could be seen as innocent and childish, but I doubt he’s alone, and also has roles that elevate his mindset, which doesn’t quite make him on that same level.

Not to mention that some just don’t outright fit (Junior to Campion), but going that far along, that’s about all that works out well enough for characters that can be argued for their prominence.

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Bottom line would be that, while I totally love both franchises and would like to put them on a equal level for comparisons, it doesn’t do either one justice.

All the same, thank you for the interest and the ask! It was fun thinking it over.

[handfulofmuses]

Captain Orchis was a metal, charming and entertaining character.

His first appearance was everything. Throughout the trio's journey, we see the camera zooming into the distance, meaning he observes the rabbits.

A rabbit is seen running around the bushes. Intentionally, they made their presence known, but not enough to solidify it. Orchis' aim was to make them feel on the edge, to make them wonder if they imagined it or not. He gave them that moment of security before making his move.

He listens to Bluebell‘s story and you can tell he knows that tale because the way he reveals himself is not a coincidence. He deliberately chose the perfect moment to reveal himself.

“And before the prince that nightmare figure emerged, like a toxic void. And in his heart El-Ahrairah knew that there were no more tricks to be played.”

His appearance suits his lines, that’s what makes it breathtaking. Everything, in a way, is a metaphor.

Before the prince, that nightmare figure emerges like a toxic void.

Refers to Orchis, who emerges suddenly in the dark of the night before our beloved trio.

The phrase "No more tricks to be played" refers to Efrafa.

His spectacular appearance is phenomenal. The voice acting, the animation, the theatrics, his compliment towards Bluebell, revealing to us that he actually does have a fondness for the old yarns.

“My esteemed guests. Welcome to Efrafa.”

The entire shot, with the dramatics. He is extra, but they don’t overdo it and that’s what I love about it.

At first he was only doing his job but once his brother died? You can tell it became personal.

It’s no secret that he and his brother were close at this point, and that Vervain was the most important rabbit to him.

His desire to jump at Hyzenthlay, who is still knocked out, because he wants to kill her right away, running towards the general.

“Where is she?" Where is she? She’s responsible for the death of my brother, general. She is the doe behind every escape attempt and it’s only a matter of time before she succeeds! I want her destroyed!”

It shifts from desperation to anger. Nobody in this adaptation would even dare approach their general so brazenly yet Orchis, blinded by rage is making a bold move.

"She's the doe behind every escape attempt and it's only a matter of time before she succeeds. I want her destroyed!"

That isn't about the escape attempts. It's about that Hyzenthlay might get away without answering for her crimes. That he won't have a chance to avenge his brother if she does.

It’s the whole fact that Woundwort had to stop him from killing her twice in his presence. I can only imagine the amount of restraint he had to maintain when he was alone with Hyzenthlay because he, full of fury reminds her that she is responsible for his brother's demise and she makes a sarcastic remark.

And while he did not break Hyzenthlay, he broke two sisters apart. If he loses the most important rabbit to him, so will Hyzenthlay. In his own way, he got even. Orchis really got told to break Hyzenthlay and made her sister a spy. Orchis knew she wouldn't trust a random stranger, so he hit her right where it hurt the most.

And he held power over Nettle. At Hyzenthlay's execution, all he did was move slightly and Nettle instantly stops hopping. Nettle looks upset - and he smirks at her. The frame remains between the two of them for a while as well, Nettle never changing her expression even once.

Unlike the other rabbits, he stuck with his general until the bitter end.

There are so many factors as to why.

Hyzenthlay escaped, just like he anticipated before. Why? Because she tricked him one last time. She send him on a wild goose chase, allowing her escape in the first place.

As I said before, Orchis actually went easy on Hyzenthlay (even giving her the luxury of saying goodbye to her family and friends) and I think he realized that. His end goal was always to kill her. That's all he desired. He even said it himself - the general wanted to see if he could break her, but never mentions anything of himself. Yes, he had fun with it, but you can tell he just wanted her dead - and that was his downfall.

He was easy on her when he could have done worse. He didn't realize that she still had some spirit left.

Of course he becomes more unhinged.

"What did you stop for?"

"Leave here and you will be hunted down! You'll be dead!"

The cackle. The voice. You can tell he is becoming unstable at this point. He has at least enough sanity to realize he cannot take on Campion, but he's definitely about to lose it.

He literally followed his general until the bitter end. And he died for it. All because he was blinded by revenge against Hyzenthlay, Holly, Blackberry and Bluebell. You can tell that if Vervain lived, then maybe he would've deserted the general with his brother as well. Because everyone else realized that Woundwort was off his rocker.

Orchis was terrified of Woundwort too. But he stuck with him because the rabbit that mattered to him the most was killed.

He was so paralyzed with fear when he saw that dog. He only tried to ran when that dog leaped at him. But it was too late.

He's a dirtbag but his fate was metal yet somehow saddening because you just know it didn't had to be that way - not if his brother was still alive.

At least he got his brother back in the end.