#believe Shubble

[ivys-garden]

Alright, I'm going to write my own thoughts down on the situation, sorry if this gets rambly

First of all, Shubble is so brave for speaking up, it's really hard for victims to speak up against there abusers in a public setting and she deserves all the respect in the world for it

That being said we do need to be mindful to give her space, this was a really traumatic thing for her and we all need to be mindful of that, give her room to breath.

On the same lines, don't go after other ccs for not ""releasing statements"", content creators aren't companies, there people. Don't get on at them for not publicly supporting Shubble, especially since there undoubtedly doing it in private, which is probably better than shoving it out there for millions of people to see. Let people support there friend in a way they and shubble are confortable with, if shubble wants them to say something or they think they need to say something themselves, they will say it.

It's like Pearl said, just because you don't see something happening publicly doesn't mean it isn't happening

Also, don't jump to call Tommy or Phil or Grian or anyone else enablers because they haven't said anything, they'll need time to process this too, it's hard to find out that your friend is a domestic abuser, let them process this in piece and don't try to cancel them over nothing like a fool. (People like Tommy will need time especially since Wilbur befriended them when they were young and by all accounts manipulated them too)

If anyone of these people have anything they feel they need to say they'll say it when there good and ready, good life tip folks:Don't Harass People. Especially if they have almost nothing to do with this (honestly Saw someone say they were going to go on to fucking RT about this despite him not knowing either person very well, the fuck)

I know why people do it, they want to make sure there favourite content creators aren't also bad, but they are people and they deserve respect, I can garentee you that almost no Qsmp or Hermitcraft or Other MCYT member who knew him stands with Wilbur

(Also if anyone brings Techno into this fuck right off let the man rest.)

Also, some brain dead morons are saying that people calling out wilbur are doing it for clout and that they should have done it sooner, but most of the abuse happened in private, and wilbur manipulated others, many wouldn't have realised anything was wrong and if they did its still better and more respectful to come forward after shubble since its HER story to tell.

(This attack also doesn't work anymore because we have things like tubbos stream, where he actively discourages his chat from treating him like a hero for speaking out, but yeah sure they all don't give a shit about shubble and just want to make themselves look better, fuck outta here)

Now, if your a former wilbur fan, let me make this super clear

DONT WATCH HIM AND DONT LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC

"BuT SePuRaTe ThE ArT FrOm ThE Arti-

Nah. That doesn't work here. You can separate a book or game or movie, you can't with a cc. Its there face, there voice, there personality. Find a different band, find a different CC to watch. There are other options, I know it sucks to find out someone you like did an awful thing,but that doesn't mean we should support those people for our sakes, especially when people were actively hurt by there actions. Trust me everyone, this will get better, things will go back to how they were before

Finally, this should go without saying, Fuck William Gold to the core of teh fucking earth. And any who still support him.

He is a raging egotistical manipulator and abuser. don't blame people for not seeing it sooner, no one can do that. What we can do though is blame people who still wholeheartedly support him and his actions.

He has not "changed" nor will he ever at the rate at which he's going. He's still a egomaniac who's more concerned with saving his image than actually apologising for his actions, even then an apology wouldn't fix all he's done,it would just be closer and a jumping off point to be better, but he can't even fucking do that.

If wilbur does reflect and grow, good on him, but if he doesn't then I can say with absolute certainty we wouldn't fucking miss him.

Fuck Wilbur. Support Shelbym

[thedroloisms]

actually so fascinating to me to see the difference in reaction in this fandom. the same people who were perfectly content to spread leaked information without the consent of the victim in previous situations playing coy and claiming that any speculation (not accusations, not harassment, not attempts to deplatform) into the identity of the person in question is inherently unethical and disrespectful to the victim. the same people who had shamelessly talked about the need to spread about information sourced from third party actors with personal agendas, who had explicitly gathered the information in question for bad faith purposes, in order to demand answers from a man who wasn't even the target of said allegations now preaching about how awful it is for people to use publicly available, easily accesible information to come to personal conclusions about a content creator in order to then make the decision whether or not to support him. i know that this fandom was a very different place in january 2022 but i highly doubt that time is the only thing that influenced the difference in people's reactions here, tbh.

[frienderbee]

The thing that's really pissing me off about the Caitibugzz situation is how quick people have been to disagree and stand against her.

"She saw the clout shubble got!" The whole point shubble wanted to make was that people should feel comfortable coming out about this stuff and that we should support the victims. And frankly if anything standing up against a creator this babied and beloved with a platform that size would only hurt her follower count.

"Its her own fault for drinking" Maybe drinking at a party with people she did not know well wasn't the safest decision in hindsight but it doesn't mean it was HER fault. She had no reason to believe she was in an unsafe position till she was.

"Well why didn't she leave, why'd she keep coming back?" We only know she kept coming back from George. All the things he said regarding the night has no proof and I'm sick of seeing people say there is??? The things that do line up are him touching her, not asking her age, not asking consent. We can't know for sure what he said is true at all.

"Well she was at a 21+ party! She lied about her age" Okay not only was that not true as it was a 16+ party. But it also doesn't fucking matter how old she was?? Her being freshly 18 adds in the factor of the power dynamic and worsens the situation, yes. But if she is being touched without consent and is uncomfortable then it doesn't matter how old she is, it's still wrong for her to be in that situation.

Even before people made any connection to George people were saying "her tears seemed forced" or "she's not even really crying". I watched the stream live and saw tears going down her face and heard her voice break. I've even seen people say "she's literally reading it!' YES. She wrote down her thoughts to make a statement cause she knew it would upset her.

Finally I don't understand why people are saying Her story had too many holes compared to George when if we focus on the things they have in common its still clear that George assumed everything, didn't ask consent or her age, and did touch her.

Maybe George genuinely believes he is innocent but I think it's telling that he doesn't even deny most the events, just says they were exaggerated and that He thought it was okay. She didn't.

[mojo-yous]

Just to give some perspective, Shelby said that she dated wilbur all of 2022 and some months into 2023.

The Tom Simons total wipeout challenge vlog was posted may 2022, the Zoo Tycoon stream with Phil was August 2022, and the ‘If Tommy Swears I End Stream’ was in November 2022

It seems very surreal that something/someone so sinister was literally right in front of us this whole time.

[linmelon]

Please tell me I’m not insane! 😒

[ash-th3-fae]

btw about the whole wilbur soot situation; don’t hate stream. don’t hate buy. either way by watching his streams/youtube you’re giving him, at the least, ad revenue. don’t buy his or lovejoy’s merch ‘out of hate’ because you’re still supporting the brand anyway. don’t listen to his or lovejoy’s music ‘out of hate’ because you’re still supporting them by streaming their music anyway.

This, in turn, also means don’t go sending him death threats. Don’t dox him or threaten his way of life in any way. I understand what he did was shit, but that doesn’t justify extremes either.

To another abuser getting stamped out like a cigarette underfoot.

[glassballdinosaurs]

If you support Shubble/Shelby Grace unfollow and block me right now. She lied for clout and doesn’t give a fuck about the consequences.

I support Wilbur Soot and there’s nothing any of you morons can do to stop that

[bluesolarflare]

Local witch gets mud on her shoes

[enderpearltv]

In light of shubble’s bravery to come forward and talk about her abuse, I will no longer be supporting him or his band

My heart goes out to Shelby and I hope she can continue to heal from this. I believe that one of the strongest things a person can do is openly talk about their story and she did that <3

I’m so in awe of her strength and bravery as she continues to raise awareness of the signs of abuse so that others can recognise them and take care of themselves

[storytellerofuntoldlegends]

The nature wives are both out.... Scott Smajor was eaten by sharks... what's even the point anymore.... /dramatic

[weatheredcopper]

happy june and empires anniversary here's some nature wives :))

[tev-the-random]

EVERYBODY SAY THANK YOU SHELBY RIGHT NOW

[mojo-yous]

Thank you wilbur for producing entertaining content and being part of a pretty good band, but fuck you 10x of that for being a slimy, abusive, manipulative piece of shit.

[lilyminer]

Hey y’all, it’s me, that one previous sbi blogger you may or may not remember.

First off hearing, believing, and supporting victims will always be my top priority in situations such as these. Shubble is an amazing, brilliant person who deserves all our love and support. Her decision to speak out was incredibly brave and commendable.

Both what she has said and the ridiculous excuse for an apology Wilbur put out have completely flipped my opinion of Wilbur. If you’ll allow me to vent a bit of the hatred I’m feeling right now he is a horrible fucking bastard, firmly and unquestionably an abuser, and I’m disgusted he ever had a platform to begin with. To downplay crossing a partners firm boundaries, disregard their consent, and joke about how he’s hurting them is disgusting behaviour.

I’ve not been directly linked to much of the discourse in this fandom before but am beginning to understand the extremely reasonable actions often taken against content creators. I’m no longer in the fandom and therefore can’t promise I’ll be able to provide the most recent information and updates regarding this situation but I’ll try my hardest to not be part of the process of this being swept under the rug like I’ve seen so many other situations be.

In terms of those CC’s who have not spoken up yet, innocent until proven guilty but I can feel my faith in creators like Philza slipping because of his (as far as I know in this moment) silence.

On a more personal note I’ve realized I’m a gullible fucking person. It’s happened countless times throughout my experience within fandom spaces that content creators I’ve uncritically enjoyed have turned out to be rancid people. As to not repeat the mistakes of my childhood I’m not going to ignore this, or blindly defend a creator out of trust, a mistake I hate to say I’ve made. This cannot be swept under the rug, what’s happened here is terrifying and unexpected and that’s all the more reason to acknowledge it fully.

[bugstung]

How tf are jack and evil x losing they're literally the definition of sexymen

[dyketubbo]

ik normally we talk about situations like what shubble opened up about, we wanted to take time to think through everything especially because of how upsetting the topic is to us personally. as of now, we do agree that signs point to wilbur so we wont support him and we encourage others to not support him during this time and especially not actively defend him.

but we dont want to make a big deal out of not supporting him so focus can be on shubble and people learning how to see signs of abuse. we're already not very active due to our own recent experience with a traumatizing friendship (we hesitate to really call it abuse yet) but regarding that experience and others weve had we can focus on another big part of shubbles stream: educating others about the signs of abuse. so we want to use the rest of this post to talk about that

abusers will be everywhere and anywhere. yes there will be more in this community, but youll find them no matter where you go and there will be abusers in your personal life as well, whether you end up being abused or someone you know does. theres abusers who are "obvious", who scream and yell and hit. and theres abusers who are charismatic, who will be supportive and funny and yet passive aggressive and backstabbing. and theres abusers who will be quiet and cold and manipulative. and theres abusers who fall into multiple "categories" because theyre complex people just like anyone else and thats why abuse can happen to everyone. because abusers can be anyone.

dont get yourself caught up in how "theyre such a good person", dont get yourself caught up in thinking abuse could never happen to you. if you find yourself in a situation where communication doesnt work, where the other person hurts you over and over and doesnt show signs of getting better, where you keep finding ways to blame yourself and defend them (especially if you find yourself thinking that you deserve how they treat you), where youre scared of them and how theyd react if you told them so, where when you tell them you dont like how they treat you they dismiss you and start treating you worse, look into how to get out of there.

and know that it will take a while. that abuse is hard to get away from. that sometimes youll be trapped for a long time and sometimes youll relapse and defend them even after youve realized theyre abusive. and there will be people who support your abuser over you and people who will hate you and believe your abuser over you. and there will be people who support you but will still support your abuser too for whatever reason. and there will be people who support you fullheartedly and care for you and help you even if it takes you a long time to find them.

abuse is complex. "good people" can be abusive. no matter the fandom, no matter the community, no matter the when who where how why there will always be abusers around. no matter where you go or who you talk to there will always be some case of abuse. the important thing is to educate yourself.

learn about tactics like DARVO (deny, attack, reverse [the roles of] victim and offender), keep notes of the hotlines and organizations about abuse. keep the discussion of how to spot abuse and support the victims open. and always, always, keep more affection in your heart for victims than you do hate for abusers. make yourself someone who can be confided in and trusted to not take advantage of that trust.

and remember: if youre a victim yourself, its okay if you didnt do everything "right". its okay if your feelings keep changing, its okay if you were an asshole victim, its okay if you didnt see the signs even when others pointed them out to you, its okay if you did things "wrong". abuse is hard to sort through and what matters is not whether you "provoked" them, its that they had the power to hurt you and get away with it and they used it, over and over. and thats horrible and what you deserve is to get out and to be able to speak about it without getting hurt for it.

if shubble's story and others like hers resonate with you, tell people. it doesnt have to be public. in most cases it shouldnt be. tell people who you can trust in private and get the support you need so that when youre able and ready to you can get out. and know that there are people like you and even if you feel alone right now you wont be forever