#but its like. Such a weird undercurrent of hatred that still exists in the game over a decade later

[eyepatchdate]

tbh the fact that the game lets you like. kick diana allers out whenever you want and like really has this tone as a result thats like 'this character should piss you off for some reason' is like. Practically just weird metatext from 2012.

[indieyuugure]

Hi! Let me start off by saying that I absolutely adore your ROTP series. This is also one of the very few Rottmnt/2012 crossovers in existance that does justice to both verses and doesn't put a biases on any. I love this comic.

Now that aside, I need to get something off my chest. I wouldn't have gone on Anon but experience has taught me that opposing opinions will make the followers of a blog insult and harass you so I tend to err on the side of caution. You see, I Love Love Love TMNT. And I love 2012 series, it's something I relate to so much and grew up with. It's my most favorite version of TMNT.

But the thing is, ever since the Rise movie got released, I've been seeing nothing but slander against the 2012 series and it breaks my heart every time I come across it. It has escalated to an unfair point that I've seen even 2012 fans who love it just as much begin hating aspects of it. I mean, don't get me wrong, it does have its flaws but it's unfair how highlighted those select few flaws are to the point of extremely biased comparisons and blame games and general 2012 slander which half the time doesn't even comply with canon. Moreover, literally every TMNT has its flaws just the same.

And recently, I've been seeing an increase in posts on your blog that have 2012 slander undercurrents or simply blatant frustrations with it. I love the comic but keep seeing this hatred still is just... it hurts ya know. Like really actually hurts.

So if possible, can you plz tag such posts with something I can filter out? (And let us know what that tag will be?) You don't have to but I really really love your art and comics, it's just the 2012 slander again that hurts me and I don't want to see it anymore. I've been seeing it everywhere.

Again, plz don't take this the wrong way, it's just something that's been hurting me and I had to get it off my chest. And find a solution to it that doesn't involve blocking or unfollowing because I genuinely do love this fancomic

Thank you for your feedback!!💕 (seriously feedback is extremely appreciated to me!)

I sorry my posts came off as 2012 slander, I really never meant it like that. I will admit I do critique media pretty aggressively, but I never mean it in a hateful way. TMNT 2012 is one of my absolute favorite shows and I love everything about! It’s the weird quirky stuff about it that while yes, I will criticize, I still love. It wouldn’t be the same without it. Just like the weather, I will complain about it, but I don’t want it to actually change.

I will try to be more conscious of how my posts are perceived, I really never wanted there to be a bias on my blog. I love all of TMNT for all it presents, and I don’t want to ever be slanderous!

Thank you again for your kind nudge! I’m very thankful to have people like you who’ll tell me if I’m making a mistake! I truly do love TMNT 2012. I can’t fix what I’ve said, but now that I know, I can be sure to be more careful to not sound biased going forward.

Again, I’m very sorry it came off that way, I didn’t mean to be so harsh. I never want to harm a series’s reputation, especially one that I love so much!

You are truly appreciated!💕

I know this won’t fix the things I’ve said, but I’ll say 3 of my top favorite things about 2012:

I love the way they depicted characters! They do an amazing job using indirect characterization that makes the characters feel so real. The characters don’t have to tell you things about themselves, you learn about them from the way the interact with each other, the way they solve problems, the things they like and dislike, and even what they’re doing in the background! It really feels like you’re there getting to know these fun people and go on adventures with them! Truly amazing!

I love the way the turtles look! Seriously I think they look so cool, and at the same time cute. They’re visual designs inspired me so much in my art and I will watch hours on end of them because they’re just so freaking cool!

I love the way their stories are told! The episodes are so well paced that it never feels boring to watch an episode! Believe it or not, I have never once wondered how many minutes are left on an episode. It’s so good at sucking you in and addicting you, that while I was watching it for the first time, I was straight up binging it and would be forced to put it down by my parents. Several times I would stop to eat something and have that weird “wait, who am I? What is my life?” Thing you get from a really good story. The stories and arc pacing are so good that Indie TMNT, my original series is using massive inspiration from 2012.

Once again, I am truly sorry for coming off as slanderous. Thank you for being so brave and telling me what many people were probably thinking. I want to do better. Thank you! :]

[tomsawyee]

The t/lou tv show is probably a pretty good tv show. I'm sure it's at least Decent and I'm genuinely glad people who like the games have enjoyed it so far.

But! I'm never going to be able to feel anything but deep dislike for the series and its lifelong undercurrent of self-hatred for its own source medium.

Tangent that goes somewhere, I promise: I have several close friends who are all very into horror films. I'm not. I watch with them from time to time, but I'm A Casual. They watch free student films on youtube, niche 50's works that you either pirate or get for a weird stream subscription, schlocky 80's slashers. Through them, I'm aware of this critical concept penned by people who would never make time for any of the above, called "elevated horror." I'll spare you their definition, because it's insultingly reductive of the genre. Elevated Horror is A24 films that are kind of spooky. Heartwarming! Prestige cinema that is still Great despite being from the Bad Genre for Bad Movies!

[x] for people who don't like [x] isn't a unique phenomenon in the mainstream. What was the wild popularity of GoT if not "ok but THIS genre fiction is Good, Actually, because it has (you can fill in the blanks I'm not talking about this series any more than I have to)."

I could go on way longer than one tumblr post about why I think the mushroom zombie game fails as a video game, but that isn't really my point, right now. T/LOU is the endstage of western AAA game development's desperation to be taken seriously. To elevate games, generally seen as low art at best and products at worst, to "real" artistic achievements worthy of critical discussion and enormous mainstream success.

(Aside plug: Jacob Geller's Bad Graphics, and his discussion of the gaming market's willingness to accept mediocrity in every other technical element as long as they Look Really Good)

If the t/lou show is good, it isn't good despite being a video game adaptation. It's good because t/lou always existed to chase the specific ways that cinema can be impactful and successful while being forced into a box labeled "video game." In a game where the player has about as much input as a train conductor on a one-way track, what is there to adapt? What is gained in the jump to television? Very little. What is lost in the jump from game? Even less.

So like. Congrats, Druckmann, you got your Big Prestige Drama. We probably could have skipped the "spend millions of dollars and crunch hours on digitally recreating reality two three times over" step altogether, tho.