#bystander’s apathy stupidity lol

[mermaidair]

That’s childish, hateful. I can handle hell so I know y’all can as well.

[diminuel]

Thank you so much for your response, and all the points you made!  Especially for mentioning Sam teaching Cas to hug!! I will never, ever, ever x 1000 be over that. (Also Sam sitting on the table and trying the peanut butter! That’s one of my regrets in not seeing some Sam and Cas moments, because while I love Sam and Dean’s dynamic, I think they both tend to perform a little bit with each other to maintain that dynamic. Not in a bad way, just that it’s a thing that’s part of it for them. And sometimes I think we see sides of Sam come out to play a little more when Dean is absent - which is typical for siblings, I think, even when they’re as close as Sam and Dean. I would have liked it if Cas could have been another person Sam could be himself with, because sometimes it feels like Sam’s world is very small, and I wish he had more closeness with people who didn’t die shortly after; I feel like Cas is one of his best friends, and I want to see that, but in the show it feels like there’s a barrier, and if we get some of the nice non-case moments/references you talked about, like you said, they’re Dean-centric.) I definitely agree about the ‘this was a case of trying to wrap character actions and reactions (and abilities) around a plot, instead of working the plot around the characters.’ For me, that spot on identifies (what I feel like is) one of SPN’s biggest issues lately. I’m missing character authenticity and organic development? I feel bad, in hindsight, I made it sound a little like Sam and Cas’s relationship has become antagonistic in some way. I didn’t mean to suggest Cas doesn’t love Sam (I agree that he absolutely does!), or that Cas, the way I see him at least, would ever deliberately let Sam get hurt. The moments we see where Cas is affectionate with him and vice versa are, in my opinion, the truth of their bond, but lately I’ve felt bad about how - because it’s not a focus - the show tends to handle it. Rather than there actually being anything wrong, sometimes it feels to me that the writing sort of suggests things that aren’t there, and kind of creates a false narrative where there’s either some tension or apathy between them? Not that there aren’t the other moments, too, but it seems inconsistent. So maybe it’s more - I’m grouchy about how the show represents it lately, out of plain carelessness, because in light of everything they’ve been through together, I don’t feel like it’s an accurate reflection of where they’re at. I was glad to hear your thoughts on Peace of Mind! There were so many great moments - that was not meant to be a judgment on the whole episode - and I love Sam and Cas team-up, since we don’t get a lot of it, and I would prefer to assume I’m projecting things that aren’t there than that what should have been a positive bonding moment ended on a sour note. I just worry about the profound bond overriding another important relationship in TFW (to clarify, I don’t want less profound bond, I just want more of all of it and yet I feel like I’m getting less -.-) As to your last paragraph - I apologize for deviating from your specific point about Cas being angry at Sam over the Jack issue. I realize it sounded like I misunderstood what you were saying - I didn’t mean to extrapolate in weird ways, mostly it just made me think of some of my other bad feelings about how the show handles them (i.e. their relationship gets sacrificed for other plot things). I am also curious to know what Cas’s feelings are on that (and if Cas will ever get to talk about his feelings and have them acknowledged on screen, heyyy); but I particularly like this: “Sam didn’t like it but he went along with it. He didn’t take Cas’ side for Jack (though he reacted sort of disapprovingly to Dean’s treatment of Cas). Maybe Cas wouldn’t be angry, more disappointed maybe?” because for me, it sort of points to one of the biggest problems for Sam and Cas; Sam and Dean have been through so much, and they’re brothers, so even when Sam’s not entirely in agreement, he’ll side with Dean. And likewise, Dean and Cas do have that profound bond, and I think that tends to take precedence for Cas. It’s not either of them saying, “I care less about you,” so much as, “Dean occupies this space in my life and that’s where my loyalties have to lie,” but I think sometimes their unique relationships to Dean, respectively, can create accidental conflict. I don’t know. That MCD rant has some - maybe a lot - of shade for Dabb’s writing, so if you’re not here for that (I totally understand) I can leave that part out of it! But yeah - thank you for talking it through with me! I’m sorry I did a bad job explaining, originally. As you may have noticed, I tend to go on and on and I was trying to keep it short, but I fear I didn’t do a very good job.

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Oh, good point about Sam and Dean performing for each other to uphold their dynamic. I think that’s true and I’ve thought about it before. Of course, I mostly look at it from the vantage point of how different Dean is with Cas when Sam is present or when he’s absent. We’ve seen a lot of how Dean acts when Sam’s not around, i.e. he doesn’t feel the need to perform. I think that’s mostly because a) Dean thinks he has to live up to a certain idea/ ideal and b) Sam also has certain expectations about how Dean should behave. I can’t think of a good example right now, apart from Sam acting surprised when Dean has specific book knowledge. From Sam, on the other hand, we get less insights of how he is outside of the brotherly dynamic. Or maybe there’s simply not too much of a difference? I don’t know. But more Sam and Cas scenes would certainly highlight it. Sam definitely should have more relationships with other people!

I think you’re right that SPN has that issue where it forced through a stupid plot point to the detriment of the story telling and characters. I’m not sure if that’s a recent development. I know I’ve been internally screaming since S9. But I do know that my complaints regarding characters doing something stupid that makes no sense has increased. (Maybe I just got grumpier, who knows! *lol*)

And to come back to the Sam-Cas relationship, I totally agree that the writing does seem almost careless. They apparently don’t see the need to delve deeper into their friendship and just let us assume that they are best friends without putting much effort into it. Sam and Cas getting into a discussion or even a conflict regarding Jack should have happened. But somehow Sam was relegated to the position of bystander on a topic that should be very dear to him (once upon a time we were led to believe that Jack’s their kid, does Sam no longer feel like that?). And due to Sam’s inactivity and not getting into contact with Cas, he also accepted that Cas - as Jack’s surrogate father - doesn’t get to have a say when they decide Jack’s fate. I mean, I’m a bit projecting now, because the blame lies mostly with Dean and Sam merely didn’t offer any substantial resistance…

I would also love more TFW and the profound bond definitely has overshadowed anything else. Before. But now with Jack thrown into the mix there’s even less time for the original TFW. (And I don’t like that. Sometimes I like the addition of Jack and at other times I’m jealous of all the attention he diverts away from the things I’m most interested in.)

It’s not either of them saying, “I care less about you,” so much as, “Dean occupies this space in my life and that’s where my loyalties have to lie,” but I think sometimes their unique relationships to Dean, respectively, can create accidental conflict.

Yes, totally. Dean is the core of TFW, their loyalties do lie with him. When Sam wants Cas to do something he doesn’t agree with, he just has to say “for Dean” and Cas will do it (see S10). Likewise, Cas is closest to Dean for a variety of reasons and I don’t want him to come into a position where he has to choose, but he is loyal to Dean. Or he was, for a while, before Jack came into the mix. I don’t want to know what would have happened if Jack didn’t throw Cas away (…!!! I really dislike how careless Jack acts around Cas. Also when he still had a soul. Come on, dude. That’s no way to treat Cas.) when he got inbetween Dean and Jack. Would Dean have shot Cas? Would Cas have attacked Dean to defend Jack?

I’m here for the whole MCD rant, shade and all. I don’t think Dabb’s doing a bad job, but I haven’t really thought much about it and I’m not opposed to different points of view!

Also, you didn’t do a bad job explaining at all, I just babble about whatever sort of related things come to mind when I answer stuff. I don’t edit my thoughts all that well unless I’m writing academic papers and have to *lol*

[kg2hub]

oh these are a lot of headcanon questions omg,,,

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001. When is their birthday? - may 31 002. Do they do anything to celebrate their birthday? - he... celebrates felix’s birthday 003. Does your character like coffee better, or tea? - out of the two choices, he’d pick tea at the moment. he’d probably develop more of a taste for coffee as he gets older though 004. Do they prefer being alone or with others? - he desperately wants to be with others, but also finds himself alone a lot so it’s like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 005. Are they in good health? - mmh physically, yes. mentally? debatable. 006. What sense do they most rely on? - touch ig? 007. Is your character an optimist or a pessimist? - optimist :’)c 008. What is their favorite fairy tale? - cinderella 009. Do they believe in happy endings? - yep! 010. Do they believe in love at first sight? - yeah but he hasn’t experienced it

011. How would your character court the person of their dreams? - he’d shower them in affection and also thoughtful gifts 012. What makes your character embarrassed? - being wrong, which is often around felix 013. Have they ever been bullied or teased? - oh yeah definitely 014. Detail one secret shame your character feels. - he has thoughts of. sort of. ‘rebelling’ against his family. he’d never go through with it, and he’s ashamed of thinking of it because family’s supposed to stick together, right? no matter how bad it gets. no matter if they’re the ones making it that bad. 015. Are they most likely to fight with their fists or their tongue? - tongue 016. What is their choice of weapon? - anything he can use to his advantage 017. When does your character think that violence is justified or deserved? - if it stops more people from getting hurt if the other person can and will continue to hurt others. also, in self defense. 018. Your character wakes up to find that war has been declared. What do they do? -he’d. freak out and hide in bed 019. If they could have a superpower, what would they choose? - healing powers, mostly to use for other people,, 020. What are their hobbies? - singing, playing the uke, reading, doing whatever his brother is doing 021. How do they display affection? - physically and verbally. he’ll hug anyone, brush his hand against theirs, hold hands, etc. and constantly says ‘i love you’ and compliments people a lot! 022. What is the most beautiful thing they’ve ever seen? - the,, sunrise once when he was having a bad night and ended up being unable to sleep so he snuck out. he looked up for a moment where he was hiding, and being away from the house and most of the light pollution, made the colours of the sky that much more pretty 023. What do they consider beautiful in others physically? - smiles! 024. What do they consider ugly in others physically? - nothing 025. What do they consider beautiful in others personality-wise? - compassion, sympathy, patience, confidence 026. What do they consider ugly in others personality-wise? - apathy, cruelty, aggression, remorselessness, shallowness 027. What is their idea of perfect happiness? - being loved by the people he loves 028. What makes them laugh out loud? - stuff,,, that makes him laugh out loud if it’s funny enough i guess,,,,,,, 029. What sort of sense of humor does your character have? - usually light stuff, probably internet memes and vines, but also self deprecating stuff 030. Do they believe in the afterlife? - yeah a little 031. Are they superstitious about anything? - no 032. Does your character believe in ghosts? - yeah kinda 033. Do they keep their promises? - yes!! 034. What’s their view of lying? - it’s. useful when you absolutely have to. if it’s to help someone, or allows someone to avoid getting harmed especially if it’s for yourself. lying for no reason, or doing that to hurt people is a big no no though 035. What is the most important rule your character lives by? - stay kind despite everything 036. How honorable is your character? - he’s typically pretty honorable i guess?? 037. If your character saw someone drop a large sum of money and  knew that they could probably take it without anyone noticing, what would they do? - return it to the person,, he’s already loaded he doesn’t need More, and also it’s mean to just steal it 038. What bad habits do they have? - tends to internally beat himself up every time he does one little thing wrong. apologizes for literally everything. 039. What do they think is the worst thing that can be done to a person? - being manipulated and have their emotions played with 040. What is their obsession? - music! 041. Are they comfortable with technology? - yeah ofc,, he grew up surrounded by technology, especially since his father owns a company that deals with technology 042. What is their greatest achievement? - he tried writing a little song on the uke once, and he kinda proud of that,, his greatest achievement would be something that made his family proud of him, but that probably hasn’t happened yet 043. What will they stand up for? - his brother, parents, and friends 044. What disgusts them? - really rude people, people who are spoiled, mean things, also being handed chewed up gum is Gross 045. Does your character have any chronic medical conditions? - not really? 046. How do they handle getting sick? - he just Deals With It and tries to get better as fast as possible so he can stop being so useless 047. What was the last medical problem your character had? - probably just a common cold 048. Do they have any allergies? - no 049. How does your character feel about growing old? - hopeful. maybe things will get better when he and felix get older. 050. How does your character feel about their own mortality? - s. scared,, 051. If they knew they would die tomorrow, what would they do today? - probably cry for a while and cling to felix and tell him he loves him,, same @ his parents and also his classmates even if he doesn’t know them all too well 052. What is your character’s worst flaw? - his passiveness 053. What is your character’s greatest strength? - his resilience 054. Does your character want power or authority of any kind? - lol definitely not 055. Is your character an introvert or an extrovert? - i,,, feel he’s an extrovert forced into introverted situations?? 056. Has your character ever struck someone in anger? - nope 057. Has your character ever killed anyone? - indirectly, only in other timelines 058. What is your character’s idea of a perfect day? - just one day where he’s happy and he’s with his family without any hostility or coldness between them. no yelling, no comparing, no scolding, just love. 059. List several phrases your character is fond of uttering. Where did they pick them up? - there’s,, not really anything specific he’s fond of saying? he does tend to say stuff like “yes, felix.” after being told to do something and “sorry, felix!” a lot. mostly after being berated by felix, obvi 060. What is your character’s attitude toward education and learning? - he enjoys it! it’s fun learning stuff, whether he does well with it or not 061. Does your character prefer adventure or safety and security? - he... lowkey wants adventure but he’s much too scared to step out of line from what his parents want so he remains safe and secure, being the obedient boy he always is. though, he does sneak out Occasionally, and that’s a bit of his rebellion coming to the surface 062. What sort of legacy does your character wish to leave behind? - he doesn’t really want to leave behind anything. he just wants to be known as a good, kind person. and he just wants his family to care about him and be proud of him; he doesn’t care much about what Other people think when he’s gone 063. How well does your character handle difficult people? - he endures them,,,,, 064. In what ways does your character annoy others? - by being himself. by screwing up. by apologizing too much, and never disagreeing with his brother. 065. Is your character better at leading or following? Which do they prefer? - following, to a fault. he prefers it more than being a leader, but something about his situation makes him feel Pretty Bad despite that,, 066. Does your character prefer city life or being out in nature? - nature 067. Does your character believe in fate or destiny? - kind of, but not too much 068. How strong is your character’s sense of responsibility? What kinds of things trigger it? - it’s pretty strong. he feels like he has to own up to his name, being heir to applesoft, and has to make his family proud of him. being told how useless and stupid he is can Sometimes trigger him to Try Even Harder 069. What about your character is heroic? - his sense of morals, and ability to keep going despite lack of support most of the time 070. What about your character is cowardly? - the fact that he’d follow anything his brother says. he’s much too passive, and his morals can be swayed just to prove a point. he allows things to happen even when it’s bad; he’s a bystander to himself 071. How kind is your character? - he tries to be kind whenever he can! being mean makes him feel awful,, 072. In a Dungeons & Dragons game, which class would your character be? (wizard, fighter, bard, priest, ranger, etc.) - bard or paladin 073. In a novel, what plot role would your character fill? (hero, anti-hero, sidekick, villain, etc.) - sidekick probably. either that or literally a tertiary/background character, is what he thinks he’d be 074. What is your character’s favorite game? - ,,,anything that’s felix’s favourite game 075. Is your character ticklish? - yeah lmao 076. How do they express anger? - being standoffish, heavy sarcasm, calm and collected on the outside while he’s seething on the inside 077. How often do they cry? Over what? - he cries a lot,, over a lot of things, mostly about seeing himself as a failure and disappointment. also when felix berates him he’ll usually cry after that 078. How emotionally stable is your character? - hmm he’s,,, getting worse,,,,,, 079. How easy is it for them to read the emotions of others? - pretty easy honestly! 080. How easy is it for others to read your character’s emotions? - it can vary; some days he’ll be pretty good at hiding his feelings and appear perfectly fine, others he Just Can’t Do It 081. Is your character religious? - nope 082. What are your character’s sleeping preferences? - sleeps on his side, curled up, with Many pillows and a heavy blanket,, he probably has a stuffed animal (or many?) and hugs All of them 083. What is the first thing they say and/or do when they wake up? - he just gets up, gets ready, does whatever felix wants him to, etc 084. Describe your character in one word. - trapped 085. Describe your character in three words. - full of potential 086. How would your character describe themself in one word? - disappointment 087. How would your character describe themself in three words? - kind, trying, loving 088. Is your character quiet or loud? - quiet 089. How vocally expressive is your character? - he’d be more expressive if he wasn’t silenced all the time by felix. that being said, not very 090. How bodily expressive is your character? - not very 091. What type of music does your character like? - pop, indie, acoustic music, anything else if it Sounds Good 092. What emotion does your character evoke in others? - i mean. a lotta muses i’ve been rping with feel sorry for him so-- 093. What is your character’s goal in life? - to do something that will make his brother and parents proud of him,, 094. Name three things most would not expect your character to be able to know. - how to avoid all the security situated in his house?? he, sometimes, literally breaks out of his own house without anyone knowing - how to read, how to do smart kid stuff mostly because he’s always painted as the “dumb twin” - the secrets of applesoft? i guess? why tf does he and felix just carry around the chemical used to make applegate’s pills lmao,,,,,, anyway bottom line, ted knows that chemical was used to make the pills. he probably knows more things than he lets on too.

095. Name three things most would not expect your character to be able to do. - he’s capable of sarcasm - planning the demise of one of his classmates - can play the ukulele Pretty Well for his age

096. How do they move and carry themselves? What energy do they project? - passive, unsure, meek, unconfident. he Tries not to slouch, but he doesn’t quite stand up straight enough either. constantly seems to subconsciously make himself small, always stands a little too off to the side, usually comes off as nervous and anxious. moves quickly to try to not waste time. 097. How well do they adapt to change? - not too well, but he doesn’t let that show 098. Does your character like animals? - yeah! 099. Do they talk to inanimate objects? - sometimes, mostly just his stuffed animals. or apologizes to stuff he bumps into. 100. Does your character dream? If so, what do they dream about? - yeah, usually random things. sometimes it’s happy, and a good escape from his actual life. sometimes it’s nightmares. sometimes he doesn’t remember.