#carol marcus

[startrekladies]

ALICE EVE as CAROL MARCUS STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS (2013)

[xspuhurax]

You’re no one.

@giftober 2022 | Day 16: Family/Found Family

[victorian-nymph]

Bad tweets lmao

[killfaeh]

Hello !

And here is at last the assembling of the illustration of the last few days'! :D

Suisei

[majormiles]

If you beam me back, he dies!

[rosepompadour]

[Gloria and Oona] both had wonderful minds, though utterly different. They both could have been anything, but more than making decisions about how they wanted their lives to go, their lives showed up. I think that is true of a whole generation of women.    Oona O'Neill was born with a broken heart. Knowing that, it was wonderful to make her laugh. When she laughed, she sounded like a very soft little bell ringing. Then, too, there was that marvelous bawdy side of her, which was funny and always accurate. In all the years of knowing each other we never once had an argument. I used to wonder why. I know, now, why. She could understand eight sides of every situation. She was two girls - the waif and the princess. Oona was brave. But she could not put an end to the deep mourning in which she lived until her death. Oona Chaplin died of a broken heart.   Gloria has made more choices than Oona or I. In a way, she has lived more. She has tried more. She has been interested in more. Gloria is very brave. She is even surviving the ultimate tragedy, the death of her son. She knows that while she cannot really survive it, she's healng that part of her that she can save for her other children. It is possible that she may lead a whole new life, be a whole different person, and start again. Oona could not do that. I don't know if I could. Gloria dares. We were really children when we met. We remained children. All those unlived years, those early years. We knew each other in the dark. We had an unbreakable tie: the desire and the need for the only thing we cared about — love. We gave that to each other. And now, one of us has died. The tie is still unbreakable. - CAROL MATTHAU, AMONG THE PORCUPINES

[electronickingdomfox]

It's the worst day ever in Kirk's life...

Interesting that, now that both of his boyfriends have left him, he remembers about Carol Marcus and tries to make things work between them one last time:

From DC comics, Vol.2, issue 75

[cocodavie]

Bones/Carol

[stra-tek]

The only shot I've ever seen of Carol's broken leg, Star Trek Into Darkness BTS, from aosdailybts.

[star-trek-fandom-confessions]

#405

"I usually really like gender-bend fics in other fandoms as usually it's an exploration of how a story might change if the character is female or male in the same situations but in Star Trek I've noticed gender-bend fics, particularly male to female gender-bends, seem to be more about self-insert purposes. The biggest character I notice this with is Kirk who when gender-bent becomes overly emotional and defenseless in order for Spock or McCoy to swoop in and save her. If I wanted to read McCoy×reader or Spock×reader I would but I'd really rather read about how being a female would change Kirk's life in situations like Tarsus or how being a female would change people's veiw of Kirk's flirty and promiscuous behavior that's respected as a man but might be vilified as a woman.

Kirk literally doesn't even meet his son until the guys 20 and you think being a female just makes it biologically imperative that she raise whatever McCoy or Spock hybrid comes out? Jane/Jamie/Jasmine/whatever her name is would 100% get an abortion or adopt that kid out if the other option was losing the Enterprise, sorry, not sorry. Whatever Carol's male counterpart is, he's still going to raise David by himself.

Genderbend as I've experienced it has always been about exploring gender rolls and expectations and subverting them on occasion not how Spock would cradle your (sorry Kirk's) face while comforting you (sorry Kirk) from what the mean Admiral, who you're (sorry Kirk's) more then capable of telling to screw off, said to you (sorry Kirk).

I read gender-bend fics to break the status quo so the fact that Star Trek of all fandoms writes gender-bends that reinforce traditionalists values...wasn't it."

[crimsonvulgarian]

"You violated a dozen Starfleet regulations and almost got everyone under your command killed." (insp.)

[bardicious]

Okay, I kinda wanna write something on the Carol/Jim factor of the latest episode.

Jim flirts. Jim flirts with everyone, theoretically. La'an, Uhura, Una, Spock. It's how he communicates friendliness and I really wager he just doesn't know the way he stares at people can be considered flirtatious either. He just genuinely finds them appealing, and fascinating. So... no this isn't him practicing infidelity, even if he were on with Carol at the moment.

Much like with Chapel, people do NOT give Carol any credit. She's a strong, professionally inclined woman, much like La'an. And Jim specifically tells La'an that her and Carol would get along. I'm willing to wager, like adults, both Jim and Carol have discussed what they're okay with in a relationship.

As for little baby David. Carol, what? Just got pregnant? Both of them know about it. They have ample time to stop the pregnancy if they so wish it. Which is not only fine in our day and age, but likely even simpler in the future. So they had to have discussed the baby, before she came to term.

Jim and Carol decided beforehand that Carol was going to keep David. Carol wanted to keep him. Jim having very little to say on the matter, except his approval (or disapproval?), because he still loves her, but knows they were never gonna stick together and so does she. Maybe he also wanted David to be born anyway, be raised by an amazing woman, become someone who was his own person, and Jim could love him from afar, but that's it.

Dead beat!dad simply isn't in the cards for him. And even if he was allowed to see David just a few times, all because he's not the majority of the time doesn't mean he's a bad dad. It just makes him absent. Perhaps not much of a relationship, but, hell, he didn't have much of one with his own father, and you know what? From his perspective, him and Sam came out just fine.

Now just a brief look at good ole Sam! Sam has work! Sam has a job! He's on the flagship! The enterprise, herself! He's most definitely discussed his career with his wife! Whether his wife or his children bear issue with his choice is another matter. We simply don't know unless we see them. Why demonize Sam for literally being on the ship that saves lives? The ship where any moment you can die?

Literally what is up with people encouraging unhealthy relationship dynamics?

Chapel shouldn't have to give up her career progress for Spock, Spock would never give up his career for anyone and he finds the only person he can love later (Jim) will sacrifice himself for the job as well. Chris and Batel in constant argument and miscommunication, Chapel and Spock too. And rightly so, because neither are communicating properly. Well, I'll wager that Jim and Carol did actually communicate. Because we know they can. We know both their characters!

This isn't to say David doesn't have another opinion. Neither his mother or father really thought properly of his emotional reaction to not having Jim in his life. But that's another matter, not easy to predict, likely the two did not think ahead that far. They're both fallible humans, who've saved countless peoples lives.

[afrogeekgoddess]

La’an’s love for UEF!Kirk and how it haunts her interactions with Prime!Kirk is doing something to my brain. Longing and fantasy and different realities all smashed up in the same space. La’an’s dream child with UEF!Kirk overlaid with Carol Marcus’ actual child with Prime!Kirk. Makes me think about Prime!Spock meeting AOS!Kirk for the first time. Or Burnham and Georgiou and their Prime/Mirror counterpart relationships. Someone so close to who they knew, the essence is there, but just different enough to not be The Exact Person They Loved. But they can be Someone They Love Newly. Still. Or not. Thinking of the cost of living or not living with that kind of love is taking my breath away.

[lenievi]

Carol breaking up with Kirk and telling him to stay away from their child - part is Kirk, part is his job

Janet breaking up with Kirk and marrying someone else - part is him, part is his job

La'an telling Kirk she moved on - the connection is still there, she doesn't think she will ever stop having feelings for James Kirk, but she now knows that there are other people she can be her real self with, who see her, and she'd rather not pursue anything of a romantic nature with him - our jobs wouldn't permit it (she might serve as his first officer on the Farragut though, for more angst and lost chances; but she won't transfer with him back to the Enterprise. Una told her that even though she regretted never pursuing her feelings for Pike, she wouldn't change it because she could always be there for Pike, always be by his side, doing a job she loved)

(but also obviously them getting/wanting to get together and La'an dying is always a choice as well - from Kirk's POV this makes sense, from La'an's I don't want this...)

and Kirk just closing his heart off and dedicating himself to his job completely, stopping to want to form a relationship, which he thought he could have before, but apparently not

Love. You're better off without it, and I'm better off without mine. This vessel, I give, she takes. She won't permit me my life. I've got to live hers.

And he envies his brother because he could do that. He could have a family and a job he loved.

And then he encounters Khan Noonien-Singh (I'm using a dash because SNW!Khan should have a dash). He knows his legacy is genocide, torture, but also La'an - a woman he will always hold dear to his heart. The logical path would be to let the Starfleet know about Khan and let them deal with him, but instead, he gave him a chance to live. He found him a planet and didn't inform Starfleet that Khan Noonien-Singh was back. Because of La'an.

And then Khan is back. And his return reunites him with Carol and his son. And while he hadn't thought of her for years, the memories of La'an hit him with strength again. He rejected her for a life he thought he could have with Carol and their son. And his son is now a young man who doesn't know him, who hates him, and would like to see him dead. Because Carol asked him to stay away.

"If there are self-made purgatories, then we all have to live in them"

And Khan wants to kill him. Kirk wanted to give him a second chance but because he hadn't informed anyone, no one checked on the planet where Khan was sent to and never learned that the surface became almost inhabitable.

Khan wants to kill him and doesn't care how many other people die with Kirk. And Spock sacrifices himself so the Enterprise can be saved. And his death allows him and David to connect.

And maybe now Kirk could get to know his son. Maybe after all those years, he could finally get something he wanted. Spock's death hurt but it gave Kirk a new chance.

But then David is killed and Kirk never truly recovers from his son's death.

(at least he realizes he has a family with McCoy and Spock, but it can't fill the void of his son and a romantic partner)

"...I was like you once ...so completely blinded by duty and obligations that I couldn't see anything past this uniform. And in the end, what did it get me? An empty house..."

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yeah, anyway, just putting La'an into my typical Kirk journey

[pinazee]

Do you think Jims decision to agree to Carols terms put a rift between him and Sam? Jim could’ve fought harder to be in his kids life and Sam, a father himself, could’ve resented him for essentially choosing Starfleet over his family like their father did.

[defconprime]

Italian fan adaptation of The Wrath of Khan, 1993.