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HI
also not a doc but i work with a neurologist and if you're consistently having headaches when you wake up in the morning or after naps PLEASE JUST GO SEE YOUR PCP
like yes, this could be an indication or low or high blood pressure but it's important to get that diagnosed and treated by a medical professional
i know depending on where you live it may be more difficult and/or expensive but both low and high bp can seriously fuck up your life long term. and it can lead to stroke if left untreated.
please just go see your pcp, please please please
it should be illegal to take a nap and still have a headache when you wake up. like no i shut it off and back on again why are you still here
#chirp.txt#chirp.add#i understand the person before is just trying to be helpful#but the only helpful advice is to go speak to your pcp abt these things
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#not me legit considering spending $200 on the new moon graphic novel#chirp.add#i won't do it#but if i suddenly get rich well.
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what happened to being able to reblog your own posts from the desktop website (not in the tumblr website) 😭😭😭
anyway update 3 electric boogalee to this post
i hit yet another point where it would be nice to write this but it would no longer make narrative sense
i wish this would stop happening like fuck man
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you know we're in the shits when they're selling scientists to One Direction now
what even is the message here

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tried to comment but it got too long lol
welcome to the fandom!! happy to hear people are still falling in love with the anime ^_^
i don't post a whole lot of YOI regularly, but if you go to my blog, you'll see I made an AMV for it (it's pinned) . I also have a couple of fics on AO3 (TheBrightestNight), but out of all them recommend Makkachin On A Dog's Purpose.
also from my understanding (as a non-Japanese speaker) the Yuuri vs Yuri thing is because of how ユーリ is romanized with the English alphabet. if you spell Yuuri's name with one u, some can and do use this ū to indicate the elongation of the u sound when saying his name. but since on a keyboard it's more difficult to get that marker (on mobile it's definitely easier), many just duplicate the u. or omit it completely and just spell it Yuri.
hey there, yoi fandom!
i watched this show for the first time a few weeks ago, loved it, and am so far unable to stop thinking about it, so i thought i’d make a sideblog to post and reblog stuff about it :)
since i’m so new to a fandom that’s been here for a couple of years, what i’d really like to ask is… firstly, who’s still here? i know that there’s definitely still a lot of yoi blogs on here — seeing @jewishvitya’s (i hope it’s ok to tag you ansvsjdgdj) posts is kind of what pushed me to finally watch this show in the first place :D —but most of the blogs i’ve stumbled upon either haven’t posted in a couple of years or are about different fandoms now. feel free to interact with this post if you post abt yoi, i’d love to have your stuff on my dash!
secondly, i wanted to ask if there’s any, like, canon stuff or iconic things i should know about it? i know of welcome to the madness and the ice adolescence teaser, but that’s it. are there any like, interviews or comics or other promotional content that you enjoyed seeing, or are a kind of ‘staple’ of the fandom, if that makes sense?
and lastly i just kind of wanted to know if there’s anything y’all recommend in terms of fanworks? it can be fics that are popular in the fandom or things that you’ve personally made or enjoyed! i really just want more stuff about these characters tbh. i don’t really mind any ships or characters, and am fine with all ratings, so like, go wild :)
also… i may be stupid😭, but why does the fandom usually spell yuuri (k) with two ‘u’s, when the show usually doesn’t? i’m just curious about how/why this came about, i think i’m maybe missing smth
ahsjshdjdhd this is the only specific thing on this post but i’ve been thinking about the final episode a lot and i’ve been trying to find some kind of jj and yuuri fic that’s about the two of them and their weddings after the final, but also their feelings about where they placed, their similar breakdowns at the gpf etc. i haven’t really been able to find a fic like this on ao3 so if you know of one i’d love a link to it! :)
#yoi#yuri on ice#chirp.add#my friend and i talked about a really cool concept abt jj being a foil to viktor and i should write that fic someday
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hey op, I hope you don't mind, but I might actually argue that the live action was made with non-fans in mind, as a fan of the live action, who's never been interested in one piece before now, and who didn't have any previous knowledge about the world or its lore before I started watching.
I think that the creative producers definitely sprinkled tons and tons of easter eggs for long-time fans of one piece that I most certainly missed, but the reason I argue this is because how deliberate and exact every decision of the show feels, both from the creators and the actors.
I never batted an eye over the fact that we only get Helmeppo's name once because I never felt like I needed to know his name. I knew everything I needed to know about him: he's a nepo baby and needs to be knocked down a peg. maybe more. (side-note: the build-up of his friendship with Koby is actually so well-done, I loved their friendship by the end.)
and the last shot of the smoker does excite me, but perhaps in a very different way as a non-fan. it's intriguing for me because I'm now curious as to who this person is. I want to know more! I want there to be a second season so that we can find out who this person is and why they have it out for Luffy. the way it comes across to me, is that there is a lot of people who have it out for Luffy. and all the people we know who would hold a grudge for him, we were shown their faces in that montage. we don't get to see the smoker's face, nor have we met them like we have the others, so that means he's special.
I don't remember if Sanji ever says exactly what the all blue is, and if he does, it was obviously skipped over so quickly, I don't remember it (I've only watched the live action once, so far). and I agree that it was maybe a bit more vague than it could've been, but I will also say, given Nami's explanation of how the world is laid out with the Red Line and Grand Line (and names like East Blue), I'm sure I would've worked it out in time. and I'm not saying that everyone would take away what I did; as your example shows, not everyone did. but I think the creators laid down enough clues that you could come to that conclusion eventually. that said, I don't know if the slightly different take away matters too much. at least to me.
what we learn from Sanji's episodes is:
the all blue is A place that is a legend among pirates who love cooking. like the one piece is A thing that is legend among pirates.
Sanji wants to find it. and Zeff has been searching for it for years, but has never found it. and so he also wants Sanji to find it. just like pirates want to find the one piece.
those are the stakes. and like we root for Luffy finding the one piece, we root for Sanji finding the all blue. whether we learn exactly what it is now or later.
I would like to take a moment here to go on a tangent and talk about how brilliant Nami's--and thus the narrative's--explanation of how the world is laid out in this world for non-fan viewers. it's a lot like how Hbomb talks about the naturalistic story-telling in ATLA: sometimes it might seem like it's laid on just a bit thick, but the narrative works for these scenes and earns them. when we get to that point in the story, we already know that Luffy is a shit-ass navigator. "Which way is north?" clang wakes up the entire crew on Alvida's ship (example cred goes to my friend). and Zoro says very little, nor do we get the impression that this is something he should know, reinforced in Usopp's episodes: "I thought I was heading back to the mansion." Nami, however, has been established as the navigator, so for her to make that explanation feels very natural and it's a good way to communicate information non-fans aren't going to know about the world.
now I will admit, I didn't remember Morgan being arrested until you brought it up lol. and I will also admit, I was shocked that he was put in the stockade. so maybe there are some things that could've used a little more tweaking to make it more clear. but like with the all blue thing, not everyone is going to have the same take-away, especially the non-fans, but I would argue that's not entirely a bad thing. because what that scene did communicate to me was that 1) someone was more strict and scary than a guy named Axe-Hand Morgan, and 2) that this man was, for some unexplainable reason, that we come to learn later, extremely interested in capturing Luffy. and like with the smoking person scene at the end of the series, it was intriguing to me. why is he invested in Luffy? you could maybe sum it up to him being the same man who killed Gold Roger, but, the amount of investment he shows towards capturing a no-name wannabe pirate (at this point in the story)? there's got to be more to that story.
and so, I would argue that the creators got the tension and emotional story beats down to a science; it's incredibly well done, imho. because, while there are some very minute missteps, and not every non-fan is going to take the same things away, I think the creators took great care in building to those emotional story beats, uplifted by the actors' choices. they earn those story beats and it pays off.
Nami explaining how the world is laid out is one of them. another example is after Zoro's fight with Mihawk. up to that point, we have seen Luffy be an absolute glutton. going so far as to scarf down an entire pot of poison soup and not thinking twice about it. so when Nami tells Luffy to go back into the Baratie, and he says, "I'm not hungry." you understand just how worried he is about Zoro and, pardon my pun here, just how much it's eating him up on the inside.
a few other things I'd like to gush about:
in the first episode, during Gold Roger's speech, they pause on a few key people. I could tell they would be important later. except for a blonde-haired person we don't see again. intriguing 👀 but the red-haired man? sure enough, it's Shanks. the pink-haired boy? sure enough, it's Koby.
the interspersing of Zoro's backstory with him climbing out of the well. when young Zoro loses, present Zoro slips or falls. poetic cinema.
Sanji's backstory: when we're first introduced to him, he obviously has a history with Zeff. their supposed animosity, enhanced by the actors' choices, tells you that they have some kind of backstory. it's like when a Character A says Character B is "an old friend." when we get into Sanji's backstory, I could tell, just by him being on that first ship and his relationship with the chef there, that he'd run away from home. his fighting scenes told me that there's something else going on in his past because Zeff doesn't seem like the type of fighter Sanji is.
During Nami's backstory, I was able to work out that she joined Arlong's crew to buy back her town's freedom, based on what we learn from others before we finally see things from Nami's point of view.
the end scene: when we get to the end scene, and everyone is announcing their dream, it feels earned, because the creators laid that groundwork. they put that work in. they set things up, and the audience got their pay-off. the actors are so sincere you can't help but root for all of them.
now, of course, I'm not saying that I speak for every non-fan out there, but I did want to comment, as a non-fan myself.
for me at least, the tension is still there because the creators were able to build that into the narrative. the plot-points and emotional beats hit the target because of the groundwork in every single episode that builds to those points.
I've commented this a couple times to my friend, who does have slightly more of a history with once piece than I do: when condensing such a long story into 6 short episodes, they did what Sideways talks about in his Mulan video, about how to adapt a musical into a non-musical and vice versa. when you're doing that adaptation, you want to put the emotional story beats that exist within the songs into emotional scenes (or you want to make those emotional story beats into songs). and I think the once piece live action achieved that.
the live action feels like it was made for non-fans in mind, but like it was also made as a love-letter to long-time fans, and Oda himself.
i've been watching a couple of youtubers who weren't one piece fans as they react to the live action, and i feel like it's really highlighted just how much the series was made with existing one piece fans in mind, people who had already read the manga or watched the anime
don't get me wrong, there's more than enough in there for new fans to enjoy it and get to know the characters and learn to love the world but
did you know that in the whole series they only ever say helmeppo's name once? (that i noticed, at least)
that last shot in episode 8 with smoker in it...of course it's exciting for people who already know who he is because we want to see him, but does it actually do anything for people who don't know who he is? all it shows is some guy sitting in a dark room who seems to have it out for luffy. i mean he's got the highest bounty in the east blue, there's gotta be countless guys gunning for him at this point
did sanji ever mention that the all blue is meant to be a stretch of ocean? i know it seems obvious to us, given the naming conventions of the other four seas, but that's a pretty easy connection to miss. there's this one channel i was watching where they mentioned the all blue as a restaurant.
or even just going back to like episode 2...why exactly was morgan arrested in the first place? sure, he lied to garp about what exactly happened when the pirates raided the base, and i understand him getting reprimanded, but getting arrested is going a bit far, isn't it? from the manga we know that he was terrorizing the townspeople, and was abusing his soldiers, but in the live action we didn't actually see him being a particularly awful commanding officer. hell, we even see him get upset that zoro sent four of his soldiers to the infirmary
and like none of this is me dunking on the live action. i was a HUGE fan of it (obviously, given i started off this post by saying that i've been watching reaction videos on youtube), i've seen the whole thing probably 5 or 6 times at this point and it's literally just been out a week.
i guess it's just really funny to me because like i didn't really notice just how much of the tension or plot points build off the assumption of you having a certain base knowledge of the world.
#chirp.add#uhh don't mind typos it's late and i have to go to sleep now#again i hope you don't mind my addition!#it is v long i know ^^;#opla#opla.meta#aughhh i knew i would remember smth i wanted to include as soon as i posted thissss#anyway also wanna mention the focus on the ankle chain when nami and luffy enter that map room#knowing that nami was probably chained until a certain age and have that be confirmed later#it made me feel very smart-brained#oh i forgot they paused on mihawk too in that first ep didn’t they#sorry mihawk and mihawk’s jawline
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so i have a degree in psych and am always looking for an excuse to talk abt it
what you’re talking about specifically is called unconscious competence! it’s the fourth and final stage of skill acquisition
the first one is unconscious incompetence: when you are unaware of what you don’t know about a new skill. for example, drawing. generally, when you first begin drawing, you don’t worry about angles or perspective, or proper anatomy, you just draw!
the second stage is conscious incompetence: this is when you become aware that you do not yet have the skill, but start working toward turning those incompetencies into competencies. in drawing, this is when you’d realize you need to learn perspective, or shading, or human anatomy.
the third is conscious competence: when you are now competent in the new skill but to demonstrate your competencies, you still need to concentrate on what you’re doing. for drawing, it’d be like not being able to hold a conversation while you drew something.
the fourth and final stage, as mentioned above, is unconscious competence and what you guys are talking about: this is when you can do the thing with your eyes closed, so to speak. you’ve become so good at it, it’s purely muscle memory. in drawing, it’s be like being able to have a conversation or watch a show (and understand what’s going on in the show) while drawing. a more specific example with digital drawing would be not having to think about what brush you want or where it is, just simply switching over when you need to, it’s automatic.
or, as you talk about above, being able to completely zone out and complete your rhythm game to perfection. the reason you start fucking up when you actually try to concentrate is because the skill is so unconscious, bringing it into conscious disrupts the process.
it’s why some people, who are so good at what they do, cannot teach the skill they have because it’s sunken into unconsciousness. they no longer have to think about the steps, their body/mind just does.
*disassociates while playing rhythm game and somehow gets a perfect score*
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hi! so I hope you don’t mind me adding to this! Logan is my favorite side and I really liked your analysis of this! of both past episodes and this episode to explain the difference between being there to, for example, just give advice and actual reciprocation in a relationship. I agree with a lot of it and thought it was really well-written.
but I do think Logan knew what was upsetting Thomas, and I also think that Logan was listening to his own logic, per DWIT, and just wanted to explain why I thought that. so I hope it’s okay that I added to this!
first: the reason why I think Logan knew Thomas’s anxiety was over Nico not responding to his text messages.
when Thomas is in the bathroom, after he has that first Intrusive Thought Experience, when Logan opens the door to check on him, it shows Logan peeking his head through the door, then cuts immediately to a close-up of Thomas holding his phone, which is open to the texts he sent to Nico. I think that signifies that Logan knows exactly what’s up.
side note: notice throughout the episode that every time Remus takes control again, so to speak, Thomas checks his phone (because of the alarms Logan asked Thomas to put on his phone in the first place), and is reminded of those unanswered texts.
the reason he seemingly ignores Thomas’s clear distress by ushering Thomas to get started on the schedule they planned was, I believe, for a couple of reasons: 1) it diverts Thomas’s attention away from the texts and to the task at hand (I will go more into this later, when I talk about why I think Logan wasn’t going against his previous logic), and 2) messy* spaces can have a negative impact on mental health.
*messy is relative here, and can vary from person to person. but if things are out of order/not in their place, it can impact your mental health negatively
so by cleaning up his apartment, Logan is helping Thomas’s mental health and anxiety overall, and in a different way.
later on, when Thomas says he can’t eat and starts talking about being alone, we get a shot of Logan, whose eyes move as if he’s scanning something, and then we immediately cut to another close-up shot, this time on the empty picture frames. to me, this signifies Logan realizes what’s going on.
and then, we see Logan explicitly acknowledge what’s weighing on Thomas when he suggests Thomas color (side note: I just noticed the coloring book is titled “Mindfulness coloring book;” the detail is astounding!), emphasis mine, cut for brevity:
You are fixating on a situation that is making you feel especially insecure. And that situation is out of your control.
granted, it is vague. and so there is room for interpretation that Logan doesn’t quite know what’s gotten Thomas so upset. but based on, especially, the two shots of Logan popping his head into the bathroom, only to immediately cut to the text messages, I do think Logan knows what’s bothering Thomas.
additionally, I think the reason Logan looks surprised over Thomas suddenly change plans to go out with Nico isn’t so much that he didn’t know that’s what had been bothering Thomas, and more so that, again, a messy apartment (which, again, can vary from person to person) can have a negative impact on mental health and wellbeing. by sticking to their plan of cleaning up his apartment, Logan was trying to ensure Thomas’s overall mental health would be better, so he could better deal with his anxiety and intrusive thoughts, whether they be over Nico not responding, or his blooming relationship with Nico. maybe some part of him hoped Thomas would also see it that way, but Thomas is so anxious about this new relationship with Nico, his anxiety is probably blinding him from that, so to speak.
now: why I think Logan isn’t disregarding his previous logic from DWIT.
first, I think the difference in titles of the two intrusive thoughts episodes is an important distinction (emphasis mine): Dealing with INTRUSIVE THOUGHTS versus Working THROUGH Intrusive Thoughts. it’s a subtle difference, but to me, in DWIT, Thomas is introduced to this new side he had no idea about, and Logan is walking him through what intrusive thoughts are are, why they happen, and why there’s not necessarily anything wrong with them, but nothing on how to actively work through them. This is where this aside comes in: where we’re seeing Logan, and by extension Thomas (since Logan is a facet of Thomas) work through intrusive thoughts with different coping mechanisms.
again, I’d like to start by pointing out the framing. when Remus shows up while Logan is in the kitchen to show Logan his own To Do list, it cuts back to Logan, who immediately pours his coffee down the sink, opens up a wine bottle, pours it into his cup, and starts drinking. to me, that signifies that Logan understands what Remus is planning, knows that he can’t stop Remus, and so now his day is not only wrangling Thomas in to get the chores they scheduled at 5am done, but also to steer Thomas away from whatever Remus is planning (more on this in a moment). hence, the wine.
as a side note, Logan also does directly speak with Remus, rather than ignoring him completely. I know that’s a little different, but I feel like if Logan were really disregarding his previous logic, he wouldn’t address Remus at all. (more on this later, as well)
i can understand why it seems like Logan is ignoring Remus by the way he’s acting throughout the video. some parts feel extremely flippant, like when Logan pushes away Remus’s dunce cap and goes, “That’s nice.” or when Logan is reading, seemingly unaware that Remus has set another trap in the closet. but this actually goes back to what Logan explained to Thomas to encourage him to color for a little bit, or do a puzzle: he’s diverting Thomas’s thoughts to something different, neutral, and wholly in his control. whereas, unanswered texts is no longer in Thomas’s control.
finding and focusing on things within your control is crucial to mental health. not only can it lower anxiety about the things you can’t control, but it can also protect against depression, as when people feel nothing is in their control, it can lead to developing depression.
so, this feels like a tangent, but I promise it’s not lol. this video reminded me of Dan Howell’s video on intrusive thoughts (though, we didn’t exactly call them that when Dan posted his video on it) called EVIL THOUGHTS (linked here; Content Warnings include basically all the content warnings in WTIT, as well as suicide mentions and a depiction of semi-graphic, but extremely unrealistic suicide), so I went to go rewatch because I remember finding it funny, relateable, and very informative.
in it, Dan describes a lot of what was addressed in DWIT. he also, at the end, describes a possible explanation as to why these thoughts occur (emphasis mine):
Apparently, it’s our brain’s way of taking control of a situation. So if there’s ever an opportunity to completely annihilate yourself, you will always find it strangely appealing, because it is the strongest choice you can make in that situation. So basically, we’ve evolved to just nope out of a situation than have to think about it.
edit: would like to add, however, that because this was taken from what Dan, himself, has said to be a funny video, as well as, since his video came out we’ve learned more about this phenomenon, I would like to say to take what I’ve quoted here with a grain of salt.
I just found how Dan worded interesting because of what what Logan says, when he’s telling Thomas why he should color for a few minutes (emphasis mine):
So, instead, you should do something less stressful and completely in your control, like coloring, and by doing that, hopefully, you’ll be able to let the unpleasant thoughts pass you by.
again, it’s wholly in Thomas’s control and, more importantly, it is neutral. It is still giving Thomas that sense of control while also not choosing that most extreme choice that comes in the form of intrusive thoughts. what Logan is doing isn’t ignoring or dismissing Remus, he’s redirecting Thomas away from the intrusive thoughts until they pass, which is a healthy coping mechanism. distraction and diversion can be great techniques for helping with anxiety (and anxiety that may stem from intrusive thoughts), as long as the activity is not harmful to oneself or others.
I’d like to use the Receptive Music Therapy scene more specifically, because that’s also when Thomas’s intrusive thoughts are at their worst. by getting Thomas to dance and really listen to the music, he’s diverting Thomas’s thoughts away from his intrusive ones, and getting him to focus more on the beat of the music, so he can dance. if you’ve ever tried to dance in time with music, you’ll know it can be difficult, which takes a lot of space up in the brain. not only that, but kinestheticly by dancing, Thomas is also pulling his thoughts away from the intrusive ones and focusing them more on the movements of his body. so it’s a two-for-one deal.
so while it may seem like Logan is ignoring or brushing Remus off, thus ignoring his own logic, I’d argue it’s the exact opposite. since Thomas can’t get Remus to drop a topic, nor can he logic his way through it (in DWIT, Logan asks them all if they can logic their way through, and Patton starts to say, “Yes we can--” and Logan interrupts with, “No we cannot. Please pay attention.”), he opts to redirect Thomas’s thoughts and attention to something he can still control, but is not stressful, nor harmful.
Logan Theory
((Okay after tumblr DELETED this post, I guess I’ll try doing this again.))
Something that I’ve been reading a lot in some discussion posts about Logan and that “he’s not ignored– he’s been so important to Thomas and the others and he’s been thanked and stuff why is he so mad?”
I think I can clear that up for you. But let’s review a few things:
So Logan has been the definitive mediator throughout most of the previous episodes. He was the stage director for CYBG where he was thoroughly listened to; LVP was all about Thomas learning to listen to both of his most dramatic and loud sides aka Logan and Roman and how they can work together; LNTAO is a bit of a setback for Logan but it is his understanding of how the song fit into the conversation, as well as the puppets, that caused Thomas to have his eventual epiphany about his issue going into the episode; in EP Logan is the overall narrator, explaining how all these things that Virgil finds embarrassing were actually very needed in his overall development as a child and a teenager.
SVS has a very important Logan scene that does point towards my whole point:
Logan is quick to say that it isn’t working out. This is presumably obvious by the audience. Thomas is always scatterbrained, late to things, and obviously not looking at the calendar Logan has made considering the only thing on the calendar for April 13th is the callback and not the wedding. If Thomas had been listening to Logan on a normal basis, he would’ve known that but when it’s revealed, even Thomas himself seems a bit surprised immediately jumping to that Janus is lying and must have tampered with it. The rest of the episode goes on and Logan is given the benched seat but still has his opinions put out there for everyone as Patton calls on him a time or two.
DWIT is where Logan shines. He constantly puts Remus in his place throughout the episode also while proving the point that logic is the only way to work through intrusive thoughts, and that Remus is necessary to some extent. This is also an episode that I think Logan thinks was a turning point in his relationship with Thomas. Thomas sincerely thanks him directly and calls him cool. Logan is not used to that emotional kind of sincerity from Thomas directly and I think it affected him in a way that made him proud of the work he does, more than he would normally be. Logan now realizes that maybe Thomas will listen to him a bit more.
And by listening to him, he means allowing him to serve his true function. Logan, as logic and basically organizer of all of Thomas’s mental notes, likes diligently planning things and keeping order to Thomas’s life to help him live the best life he possibly can. Logan thinks now will be the time that Thomas actually chooses Logan to be the lead side in his life. Maybe for the first time.
Logan had already been pushed to the side once when Thomas decided he wanted to quit his education to become a Vine Creator/Youtube Personality. Roman became center stage but with so much pressure on Internet Celebs, Patton and Virgil also became pretty important. Logan was last on the priority list and as a side, his wants for Thomas have been last on the totem pole so to speak. So now that Thomas has seen how cool Logan is, Logan believes he can finally get some organization and stuff done in Thomas’s life and finally be listened to for what he wants, not just what he can give.
But then, POF happens. Logan is once again pushed out of the conversation and the more important things are emotionally driven, which focuses again on Patton and Roman, with a bit of Janus included. Logan also takes offense to the fact that nobody noticed he was missing and leaves after he done doing what he always does, bringing reason to the situation at hand. I mean, that’s all he’s good for right? He can’t help Thomas in any other way apparently. All of his other attempts have failed so why bother sticking around and hoping Thomas listens to him?
Then we fall on WTIT, Logan looks so happy upon first showing up to Thomas when he wakes up. We learn later that 5am Thomas made a lot of promises to Logan about getting lots of chores and things done today. Logan is happy because Thomas is gonna listen to him and we all know how Logan feels when deadlines are met and projects get completed.
But then Remus comes into play because Thomas is distracted by Nico not responding to his text messages from 4am. Logically, most people are asleep at that time of night so worrying about someone not answering around then would be kind of silly. Logan doesn’t seem to know about Nico not responding or at least he hasn’t noticed directly what’s troubling Thomas. We know he sees everything Thomas does to an extent because of a previous episode (“Have you seen the Office bloopers?” “Yes I have seen them 15 times because I am a part of you!”) so it makes sense to assume that Logan should know about the messages.
Remus is able to keep distracting Thomas because he’s so focused on why Nico hasn’t responded to his message yet and in this way, he’s able to keep Thomas from doing what Logan wants him to do. Over and over and over again. He’s unable to eat, he’s unable to do the dishes, he’s unable to clean up the litter everywhere—Logan increasingly gets more frustrated at the fact that Remus won’t leave them alone so maybe Thomas can get something done. However, Logan is going against his own logic here.
If we call back to DWIT, Logan explicitly says:
And yet, that’s what Logan is doing here. He’s trying to stop Remus instead of finding out what the real problem is. In an attempt to finally get Thomas to listen to him and do what he wants, he’s ignoring Thomas’s actual problem: the messages from Nico.
Also something very important in this scene here when Logan is trying to get Remus to stop or just listen to him:
Thomas is looking at his phone again and we’ve gone from sad that Nico is ignoring him to anger. His eyebrow furrow in frustration and his nose twitches like his breathing has gotten faster. Then it snaps back to Logan who finally snaps:
“STOP IGNORING ME!”
The thing is, I think Logan says this without realizing exactly what he’s saying or what he’s feeling at the moment because while some of his feelings are his own, some of them are Thomas’s feelings at Nico for, as far as Thomas knows, ignoring his text messages. As seen here:
He really was taken aback by how angry he really is. Because Orange is clearly affecting him here, but I think he was using Logan to affect Thomas too.
We know that Thomas doesn’t normally get mad at anything within canon; he’s pretty passive and usually let’s things roll off his shoulders. But today, the fact that his house is a mess, he can’t seem to get anything done, Nico ignoring him, and the constant intrusive thoughts that just won’t go away and keep messing with him… it’s become too much. He actually was about to explode, which is what happened to Logan. It only didn’t happen to Thomas because Nico called him just before so crisis averted in that regard.
Remus is pleased to finally see some emotion out of Logan and responds with: “But who do you really want to scream that at?” as he sinks out, seemingly referencing the fact that Logan is upset with Thomas constantly pushing his needs as a side away.
Nico then invites Thomas out and of course Thomas immediately accepts which Logan is surprised at which basically confirms he did not know about Thomas’s Nico problems that had been bothering him all day. The conversation downstairs is the culmination of Thomas and Logan’s relationship. Thomas throws on some clothes to leave and Logan asks him about his needs, the plans they had made that day. Thomas says he will get to it eventually and even makes a joke about tomorrow Thomas or whatever before blurting out: “This is just really important.”
That is an image of a side who realizes that to Thomas, his needs are not important. What’s more important is something else… again.
As he sinks out, Logan hugs his planner. That is what is important to him, but it was made pretty clear that just because it’s important to him doesn’t mean it’s important to Thomas.
In the end card, Logan spends most of it with his arms closed tightly around his body, as if holding onto himself in the same way he did his planner. He also seems rather quiet—he speaks but his words aren’t full of that proud tone he usually carries. It’s soft and weak, or rather timid. He is happy for Thomas but he’s also upset.
The way I see it is that while Thomas and the other sides do take advice and learn from Logan all the time on his knowledge, that’s different than actually listening. Logan’s needs as a side, his organizational and planning work, is ignored all the time. Let’s put it into a different perspective.
Let’s say you had a friend. They are so important to you and you all hang out together all the time. However, the friend begins to focus on something else more and you begin to drift apart. You don’t really understand this new thing your friend loves but you continue to help them anytime something goes wrong with this new endeavor, because you love them. They come back to you time and time again for more help and while you don’t mind helping them, it would be nice if they could do something you enjoy too instead of it always being about them. You don’t say this, but it’s something you feel inside. Then one day, your friend calls you. They’ve planned all day around spending time with you! You make plans and you’re so excited for them to come over and hang out. But as you begin to do something, their phone pings. They apologize but have to respond. It’s for that other focus. You understand but it keeps happening and eventually they’re called away from hanging out with you. Neither of you have really done anything that day because of the constant distractions taking your friend’s attention away from you. At this point, you’re upset and say “but I had a whole day plan of things for us to do.” “And we will, I promise. Maybe next week. This is just really important, okay?” The friend points to the phone and then excuses themself and leaves your house.
That is the situation with Logan and Thomas.
Getting complemented for your knowledge and smarts, and getting thanks for helping in situations is great and all, but meaningful reciprocation of that same time and energy from the other party means so much and if you keep giving and giving, eventually you have nothing more to give. You feel used and useless.
Tl;dr: Logan wants a more meaningful relationship with Thomas where not only can he teach Thomas things, but also make life better for Thomas but Thomas keeps pushing Logan away in that aspect, claiming that things are just more important than what Logan needs as a side.
(This is 2000 words… I’m gonna go think about something else for a bit LOLOL)
Also note this:
Thomas is standing in front of the letter O. O for ORANGE MAYBE HMMMMMMM /jk i honestly don’t know but I find it funny out of all the letters in the words, he’s standing in front of the only O.
#chirp.add#chirp.meta#again i hope this was okay to add!#and again i really enjoyed reading your meta! it's very well thought-out ^_^#ts spoilers#sanders sides spoilers#sanders sides#thomas sanders#tsandersmeta#long post
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and then not wait for an answer
Internet will see an important and specific psychological term and will b like is anyone else going to water down/memeify its meaning until it becomes nearly unusable in its original context
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everyone else: WHO WAS ON THE PHONE???!!!
me:

she was on the phone???
EVERYBODY FREEZE
If. If Jonah is just floating in the panopticon and mindlessly reciting the fears of everyone around him, arguably unaware of his surroundings and as close to dead he can possibly be…
Who did Rosie speak to on the phone?
#tma#tma spoilers#rosie#this is the curse of podcasts#i literally cannot tell what is going on. ever.#chirp.add
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actually this is funnier to me bc sylus is always commenting about how when mc goes to bed, his day is just beginning.
joke's on him, i'm up for my day and half his day bc i have insomnia babyyyyyyy
he probably actually wouldn't be that shocked but he also probably expects a better sleep schedule from mc lmao
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as someone who has actually taken a cactus on a plane, i can tell you it counts as 1 (one) carry-on item. (unlike the poor dude who had to buy a seat for his cello and then his cello got upgraded to first class but he didn’t.) so if you’re like me, who usually has two carry-on items, all i had to do was condense my smaller bag into my larger bag, put both in the overhead compartment, and store my cactus under the seat in front of me
i put my cactus in the smallest box i could fine and threaded string through the top flaps bc it wouldn’t close (my cactus was much bigger than bella’s; it’s a baby saguaro) and i needed a more convenient way to carry it around the airport
i saw the comments/reblogs/tags, and while tsa fucking sucks, they do allow cacti. as long as it can go through their x-rays, and it’s not from out of the country, you’re good to go
im sorry i already made a brief post about this not too long ago but. im so hung up on movie bella flying on a plane w a potted cactus. i understand airline security was a lot more lax back then but the mental image of her possibly having to put her cactus on one of those metal detector conveyor belt things is killing me. did she hold it in her lap the whole time?? did she buy it its own seat?? what did the person in the seat/aisle next to her think????
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i think part of it is the “guided him as best we could,” where the Web has spun its, well, web to lead Jon into situations and to certain people
and how it forms bonds between people (or how people form bonds and uses those bonds to spin web between them), like with Gertrude and Agnes
it gambled that Jonahlias and Gerry would be important, so kept its, uh, eye(s) on them (the Web sent Jon right to Jonah, and Jonah used Jon as the Web predicted). it marked Agnes, and then guided Agnes and Gertrude together (or, again, tied them up in web from their budding/established relationship)
Jon, much like how he’s the linchpin for the fears going into their world and changing it, is a linchpin for the people he interacts with. whether the bonds form before or after the Web connects them with its own web
so Jon sits at the center of this web, with the Web lighter acting as a beacon foe the Web, with threads reaching out to the people he knows and/or has interacted with the most, and the Web can find and cast out the tapes through vibrations in said web
you could say it’s a bit like how the tapes, filled with each fear, create a web that will guide the fears into these new worlds, but on a smaller scale
but we do know Annabelle to withhold information, because we know that’s also how the Web works. so this is just my theory on what it (might) all mean(s)
ok but i thought about it. and. are we sure annabelle was being honest about the lighter just being an anchor for the web’s power and being what allowed the tapes to follow jon around???! Bc if that’s the case then how were the tapes able to manifest around martin or in elias’s cell or at melanie’s therapy appointment or any of the other times jon wasn’t there?
#i was gonna type this up in tags#but as you can see it grew a bit bigger than i’d like to comfortably put in tags#tma#tma spoilers#tma meta#jon#annie#the web#the fears#chirp.tags#chirp.meta#chirp.add
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I’d also like to add and point out that BBC’s Sherlock also had a gay writer/co-writer and not only did the writers queerbait John/Sherlock, but they also made a ton of jokes about how everyone else assumed John and Sherlock were in a romantic relationship (which led to John yelling at Mrs. Hudson for like a whole minute about how much he wasn’t gay), AND made fun of the fans for theorizing Sherlock and Moriarty got together romantically and then ran off together after the Reichenbach Falls incident.
gay men can still very much make something that is homophobic
i need people to know a gay man wrote that episode
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[begin image ID: a gifset from the Netflix movie The Old Guard, with text overlayed. each gif is described below:
gif 1: Joe and Nicky leaning in to kiss each other. the text reads: Eros. Romantic Love. Intimate, passionate love between life partners. “I love this man beyond measure and reason.”
gif 2: Nile, Nicky, Joe, Booker, and Andy moving toward the camera and to their right (the viewers left) as they exit the room they’re in. a red light flashes on them. the text reads: Philia. Affectionate Love. Virtuous love, deep comradely friendship. “We walk out of here like always. Together.”
gif 3: Nile sits down on the hood of a car, next to Andy, who is eating a candy bar. Nile is holding and looking at her phone as she sits. the gif cuts to an up-close shot of Nile looking at her phone screen, which shows a photo of her mother and brother, smiling at the camera. the text reads: Storge. Familial love. Unconditional love between parents and their children. “I just really want to hear my mom’s voice one more time.”
gif 4: Nicky hugging Andy. the gif cuts to Joe hugging, lifting, and spinning Andy as she smiles. Nicky stands near them, smiling. Booker can be seen entering the doorway in the background. the text reads: Pragma. A love that has aged and matured. “I believe it’s because we’re meant to find each other. It’s like destiny.”
gif 5: Andy looking toward someone; behind her is a board filled with papers and photos. cut to Nicky looking toward the camera (but not into it); behind him, in the background are Copley and Nile. cut to Joe looking down; in the background is a different board filled with papers and photos. cut to Nile, who is speaking. the text reads: Philautia. Self love. Love of the self, knowing one’s worth and value. “We don’t have all the answers, but we do have purpose.”
gif 6: the camera shows a black-and-white photo of Andy holding a child and feeding them as the shot pans over to a sticky note, which reads: “Saved by Andy. 1918.” cut to a black-and-white photo of Joe and Nicky supporting an unconscious man between them. the text reads: Agape. Universal love. Selfless love for humanity, boundless compassion. “When you think about how old you are, the good you’ve done for humanity becomes exponential.”
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The Old Guard + Greek words for love | (insp.)
#photo id#let me know if i need to add or change anything!#the old guard#tog fanedit#THIS LITERALLY MADE ME CRY I'M#chirp.tags#chirp.add
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jon doesn't perform a lot of classic toxic masculine traits, like a tendancy to violance or anger
I just wanted to expand on this part just a tiny bit more because, another issue here is this suggests anger and violence is a masculine thing. it suggest that men are predisposed to anger and violence, when anger is just. a human emotion. everyone feels it. and everyone is capable of violence, from anger or other emotions.
equating anger and violence with only men, hurts men, people with anger management issues, and men who’ve been abused by women.
it’s okay to feel and get angry. the behaviors that come from it are what need to be monitored and controlled, so as to not accidentally hurt someone, physically or otherwise.
and, absolutely, yes, toxic masculinity doesn’t help this. repressing our emotions, as men are often encouraged to do, can lead to anger issues. and anger issues, without a healthy outlet or coping mechanism, which men don’t often have because they’re afraid of being seen as weak (or feminine), can lead to violence. this is most definitely something that needs to be addressed.
but equating anger and violence to only men, does not address this problem. it makes it worse.
Hm, would love some day to write up a big post about why non-binary Jon is so beloved. Like I know the things that kickstarted it for fandom reasons but there has to be in-text things that drew people to that conclusion as well, but I don’t know enough about actual gender theory and media analysis to talk about it properly? Is there anyone with knowledge about that or anyone just like. Real enthusiastic about the topic that would want to discuss it?
#god i hope i was articulate#anyway this response was absolutely *chef’s kiss* x1000#bless and thank you for writing this response up#tma#tma meta#(akdjak idk how to tag this exactly)#jon#chirp.add#chirp.meta
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