rius-cave · 4 months ago
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Most of the headcanons I've seen about Adamsapple in Eden were portraying them having a good relationship, like Lucifer being sweet and kind to Adam, overly interested in him, liking him etc. while Adam being way more innocent back then and of course very curious. While I like the idea of them being in love even back then and having this cute relationship between them, I also like to play with the thought that Lucifer didn't always like Adam (and vice versa). What I mean is, Lilith and Adam never really got along well, they had their constant conflicts and such, mainly rooting from their different personalities, as in I imagine Adam being this kinda obnoxious person who's full of himself, stubborn and doesn't like when things don't go as he wants (not exactly in a toxic way, like I don't think of him as an actual bad person, rather like a big child lol). While I see Lilith as a way more mature and collected person who's had enough of Adam's "childish bullshit". (I know it sounds kinda stereotypical but my goal isn't that lol I can just genuinely see it, also canon!Adam is a walking stereotype so it's hard to ignore it haha)
So, assuming that both of them were created at the same time, when Lucifer started visiting the garden he warmed up to Lilith first, they started spending time together. Lilith regularly complained about Adam, how he acted so childish/talked too much about insignificant things/followed her etc. (again, I don't think she was cruel, she was literally the first woman, had so much to learn and expressed how she couldn't get along with Adam). Lucifer listening to her all the time, and also being fond of her, involuntarily started to develop doubtful feelings about Adam. Of course Lucifer was sweet and kind, he didn't hate the man, but all of Lilith's talk had an effect on him, and Adam's behavior when they interacted just deepened it further (although Lucifer himself didn't exactly find him annoying, Lilith's talk just caused him to focus on Adam's "problematic" behavior more and he subconsciously confirmed Lilith's words).
Meanwhile Adam obviously noticed that Lucifer was spending way more time with Lilith and didn't seem to feel too pleasant about him, he was kinda offended about that and started to dislike Lucifer.
However, I can imagine them interacting at one point, cause like, Adam obviously felt bad about feeling excluded and that neither of them liked him, so once when it was just the two of them with Luci, he kinda snapped and confronted him about it. (I can't really imagine him as a person who keeps it in, I rather see it as he was offended which led to him becoming frustrated and telling it straight into Lucifer's face angrily.) So he told him that he doesn't understand why they both dislike him but it's not fair and he's so much better than them anyway yada yada but it was clear that he was upset and hurt. That would be the point when Lucifer realizes the situation and it would become a turning point in their relationship??
It got kinda long lol sorry
My dear friend, this? This is what I strive for.
I'll be the first person to admit that my characterization of their Eden personas is allllll over the fucking place. My apologies, I try to be better 😂 but I agree with you almost a 100%
I love depicting them as friends in Eden, but if I had to be realistic? In canon he probably didn't care much for him LOL or at least not as much as the fandom likes to believe. I also want to see more of this scenario with an adamsapple endgame, I'd like to do it myself, but to be truthful I wouldn't really be sure how to do it.
I like to think of Eden!Adam as, yes, more innocent, but he was still a bit of a shit, sarcastic and sassy (not an outright asshole, but his personality had a bit of a spice to it ya know?) I try to let this part of him show as much as I can in my newer depictions of Eden, but well I'm not sure if I've succeeded lol
I think that, if he's a brat now, he'd be even MORE SO in Eden. Basically, exactly what you said that he'd be obnoxious, full of himself and childish, just more out of a place of immaturity rather than malice.
I also really like this characterization of early Lilith. Yes, I absolutely see her as more mature and independent, more thoughtful and observant than Adam ever was, and of course those personalities clashed.
I absolutely love the idea of Lilith planting seeds of doubt in other people. In fact, that's a personal theory I have about the current Lilith and why Charlie's and Lucifer's relationship is so stranded. I think there must have been a lot of miscommunication and Lilith, whether on purpose or not, fed a lot of ideas about Lucifer to Charlie. She isolated her and fed her ideas about who her father was and what he thought of her, creating this wall between them that is now only starting to crumble down. So, the idea of her doing the same thing between Adam and Lucifer? Fuck yes. I want Lilith to be a manipulative bitch, whether she's doing that with malice or not LOL.
Adam immediately going head first into confrontation sounds very likely to me too! I'd absolutely agree, except I don't think this would make Lucifer actually realize the situation. Depending on how bad the argument was, I could see Lucifer thinking that oh Adam really is just that toxic or whatever other misunderstanding comes up. They're both idiots and unless Adam expresses his feelings with something other than anger, I think Lucifer would be more prone to bite back, or just simply not understand the deeper issues.
Overall I'm in LOVE with this description though!
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yakool-foolio · 1 year ago
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Okay, now on the other end of things
Morality wise, what about the NDA? Like they're the "good guys" in the story but who's the morally best and worst in your opinion? Also Kurumi as well if you want, because she kind of counts as am honorary NDA member ig?
Ooooooooh man this is a whole other can of worms, isn't it? Ranking the peacekeepers on their morality is much more cut n dry, but there's a whole lot more to think about when discussing the much more nuanced ethics each detective has. So to not devolve into too much chaos, I'll once again only be basing my ranking off of what is seen in canon in the game, so no talk of Number One Yuma (though that is definitely its own decisive topic, which will become evident soon). And as usual the list will go from best to worst, so we'll ease ourselves in before really diving into the nuance.
To start us off is the lovely Fubuki! Oh, you sweet summer child. The most morally sound out of all the detectives. Not a single bad bone in her body. She may be uneducated about many things in the world, but that doesn't stop her from being inherently kind and sweet, even with her unconventional compliments.
Next in line is Halara! I was honestly a little conflicted on whether they would be placed above or below Desuhiko, but I after some thinking, I believe Halara has the moral high ground. Obviously their stinginess and greed lowers their score, but the road is paved with good intentions. The reason they ask for so much money is so they can put it toward a program to help save cats! Even though they have trust issues with people, they care deeply about animals. And once they do gain some trust in human allies like Fubuki and Desuhiko, they say that their companionship is considered enough payment for the time being when partaking in casual investigations.
Climbing down to the next rung is Desuhiko. He's definitely got some issues with his ethics regarding his flirtatiousness. He is not afraid to flirt with any woman he meets and that is not good. Thankfully, he doesn't necessarily force any interaction and does back off when scolded or ignored enough, but that doesn't make his words any less uncomfortable. He needs to learn some self control or else he's gonna get a boot to the head.
Now here's where things get really interesting. Vivia takes third place in moral deviance. This is without going into the possible meanings of the teardrop tattoo, god forbid I bring up the idea of him murdering someone or being part of a gang; things would get much worse if I did. Even then, Vivia's overreaction to Yuma's determination to expose the truth definitely sits him firmly on the lower end of the ranking. He threatened to kill Yuma just so they could go back to living in blissful ignorance of Yakou's involvement in the case. He only resigned from his murderous intentions after hearing Yakou's spirit, calming him down and making him realize that he can't turn away from the truth and has to believe in his heart (kinda gay ngl). Vivia as a whole is harder to exactly pin down with his moral grayness regarding honesty, but ya can't really ignore the intention to slit someone's throat open, can ya?
And now we reach the actual murderer: heyo Yakou. Despite all the manipulation pulled by Yomi and Makoto, Yakou didn't have to kill Huesca. He did it for vengeance and atonement, leading all his detectives into the lion's den in order to execute his plan. Despite taking advantage of his allies, he undoubtedly had good intentions and is a very good soul overall. He wanted to bring justice to his wife who died because of an absolutely awful man and make up for not being able to save her. But murder is still murder, regardless of motive (I would say to put a pin in this, but I don't need to when the topic is coming up again right around the corner).
And here's the actual mass-murderer: Yuma! Now I know this may come as a shocker (or not depending on how much this game has been rotating in your brain like it has with mine), but Yuma is far from innocent, as much as we love to call him 'baby.' With the help of Shinigami, Yuma has killed many culprits. It can be argued that the very first reaping of Hitman Zilch doesn't fall under the same umbrella of awareness of his crime, but he still killed him! And afterward, Yuma made the decision to enter the labyrinth knowing that the culprits would die. He didn't have to use the labyrinths. It's especially egregious in chapter 3 when help was already on the way and would've put a stop to Dominic smashing Yuma to bits since they had the culprit with them! A death could've been avoided, but hindsight is not Yuma's Forte. And like I said, this isn't even talking about the corrupt fuckery of the WDO and what Yuma might've done as Number One.
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celebregol · 2 years ago
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thinking about how the present is a distortion of the past. we don’t know elured and elurin’s exact fates, though it’s likely they died in middle earth. if they died, we don’t know which they would have chosen --- the fate of man, or of elf. elwing, though, survived when they didn’t and escaped to valinor, where she is immortal and made her choice.
we don’t know elladan and elrohir’s fates, though we know they’re likely alive, not dead, and were last in middle earth. we don’t know which fate they chose. arwen didn’t leave middle earth like elwing did, but she did die before her brothers and she very clearly chose her fate, as a mortal.
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pleckthaniel · 3 years ago
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I know I feel bad when I get barely any questions for ask games I reblog, so here ya are. feel free to ignore any you don't want to answer: 6, 7, 9, 19, 22, 23, 30, 34, 35, 36, 42, 43, 46, 48
6. What is a fandom you will never write for? & 7. What is a ship you will never write for?
Combining my answer for these... I mean, there's nothing that I've like, sworn off, I basically write whatever I'm in the mood for. Chances are I'll never write for like, Crow/Squirrel for instance cause I'm just really not into it, but who knows how I'll feel three months from now.
In terms of fandoms, warriors and zyxx (the only two things i've written for recently, though i've done other stuff in the past) both are fun to write for because their worlds are giant sandboxes, and because I have so much encyclopedic knowledge about both of them that I feel like I can weave a compelling tapestry that's like, an interesting response to canon. Anything else I write for will almost definitely have to have those two factors as well, because that's what makes fanfiction fun for me. The only other media that have those things going for them at the moment are like, the hunger games and maybe riverdale. So it's not that I would never write for whatever other fandoms, I just.. probably won't
9. What are your favorite fanfics?
Okay I'll try to be fairly brief here cause I love a LOT of fics hahaha. also only listing warriors fics i do have favs in other fandoms but not really for almost any that i ever talk about on this blog so it wouldn't be relevant to you guys' interests
After Hours With the Moon by Acaeria was, I think, the first fic I read after returning to the WC fandom and it BLEW MY MIND. Absolutely my favorite Ivypool fic of all time
Butterflies and Hurricanes by RavenDreamer which I need to catch up on (and probably reread as well) but the plot twists here are PHENOMENALLY well executed and I absolutely fucking love what they did with Sol
Muffle by Pondfrost/AkitsuneLune (RIP) which is the best take on Blossomfall ever, period, end of story, and also tackles themes of mental health and trauma so powerfully and beautifully it's. very good.
Simpler Times by Haroldosaur. it's just genuinely SO fun and also an amazing take on bramble & squirrel's personalities and dynamics in early TNP. This is like my one fic that I drop everything to read whenever it updates lol
the dead below the earth (and the living here above) by vox_nihilio is just like. FIRESTAR MY BELOVED. legit it's so rare to see fic focused in on him as a character at all let alone anything this brilliantly well realized. The thing they do with the tree falling alone is just like chef's kiss
19. Dead or overused tropes?
In WC fandom? Fix-it fic lol. At this point I think literally every conflict that's ever been presented in canon has been undone by people in fic a dozen different times in a dozen different ways. I mean I get that people like it for a reason and I'm absolutely not gonna stop anyone from writing or reading what they like, and I've even written a good chunk of what could essentially be called fix-it fic myself, but I am just personally tired of clicking on AUs and rewrites and finding that there's actually like... no plot because there are no problems in this version of the world. Maybe that's more a problem of improper tagging than an overused trope though lol
22. Do you listen to music during your writing process? What music do you listen to while you’re writing?
answered here!
23. Long chapters or short chapters?
I have definitely developed a tendency towards longer chapters lol. With Brighter Fires especially I've gotten into the habit of writing each chapter to essentially be a self-contained story, a kind of individualized 'episode' in the longer game, and that means that a lot of the time there's just a lot of shit to get through in each chapter to complete a full narrative arc. Also I have nothing against minimalism, it can be really great and I love Raymond Carver/Gordon Lish, etc etc, but I find that when I try to write that way it often comes off as kind of pretentious and false, so my avoiding that also naturally makes things longer.
30. What writing software do you use?
for bigger projects (brighter fires, golden hathor, etc), i use smartedit writer. otherwise i'll mostly just write in libreoffice which is my default word processor.
34. How did you find the magical world of fanfics?
IIRC my parents actually directed me to a Harry Potter fansite when I was like 7, I read one fic on there and thought it was the bomb (in retrospect.. it was not! it was a really shitty self-insert fic) and a couple years later I found FFN and got really into Warrior Cats fic, the rest is history.
35. What is your favorite review?
Oh man I literally have screenshots of over 50 comments saved in a folder on my laptop, I'm not going to dig them up right now but I might make a post of the highlights later
36. Did you ever delete a work of yours?
Sometime in high school i completely purged my first FFN account out of embarrassment. otherwise, i try to make a point of not deleting things once i've posted them. and even then i've reuploaded one of those old purged fics to AO3 and may someday reupload the rest, even though they're obviously fairly garbage lol
42. Rudest review?
Oh god I don't have any screencaps and I deleted them but I've gotten at least a couple of apparently well-meaning comments on but i've got an angry heart which basically consisted of "good writing, but breezepelt is still just a whiny spoiled brat in canon." which is already rude as hell, but my AN for that story literally explicitly states that I relate to him because I had an abusive parent like... why lmao
43. Guilty pleasure tropes and scenarios?
I mean I try not to be guilty about the things I like but
Really dark hurt/comfort or whump or whatever you wanna call it. I have to be in a very specific mood to want to read or write it but when I am in that mood. pain time. i generally don't post most of what i write that falls in this category though because when i'm not in the mood for it i really don't wanna look at it
46. Few long essay reviews or many short reviews?
Probably few long essay reviews just because i fucking love it when people point out the parts they liked to me, it always makes me look back at my own writing with new eyes. But honestly I am overjoyed whenever anyone so much as looks at my writing lol. Getting a kudos email from Ao3 is often the highlight of my day
48. What is your favorite sentence that you’ve used in a fanfic?
OK I'm going to have to do a lot more than one here cause. come on
I still love "She stares at the reflection of the stars on the water wondering if her father’s soul went up when he died, or if he sank to the bottom of the lake like a fucking rock, and wondering if she hates him or if that’s too much like hating herself" from like father, like daughter. in many ways, it's the thesis statement of that fic and I really think the understated irony married to genuine emotion is super fitting.
I'm also inordinately fond of "At best, you’re a dead weight and at worst, he’s nuts" from and if it's not tonight. I was doing some experimental things with POV and I'm honestly still not sure if it really worked but I just loved the concept of what I was doing so much.
"He just lets himself feel it and experience it, the smile and the dark and the warmth and the touch all at once, thrumming with discovery, glowing with joy" from i am afraid to own a body. That fic has serious issues but I still adore it because I feel like the emotions ring true and this particular sentence really captures that.
"Destroyed eyes, shredded ears, chunks of torn flesh, guts spilling onto the ground – she had seen all of it and matched each red problem to the springs of green, yellow, orange that could solve it" from violent ends. That fic was another experiment but a more successful one IMO, and I'm super proud of this imagery.
"With a flourish of his tail and a cold flash in his baby-blue eyes, he says, “Consider it a welcome gift.”" from and i'm committing arson. I mean I truly love just about every other line in that fic because I really let myself go crazy with the ~literary~ phrasing and purple prose imagery and layered dialogue but this one just really works for me on many different levels, like I could talk about it a lot more but I'm not going to subject anyone to that.
"the night wind blows cold over his skin, carrying a scent of something unfamiliar, the moor, or maybe the mountains, or something further than that" from upon dead minds because i wrote it in the span of like. maybe a couple hours while i was procrastinating on homework and i really wasn't expecting it to be any good but now every time i think about it i have a lot of emotions and in some ways this line sums up why.
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