#daniel and eloise

[didanagy]

BRIDGERTON (2020-)

3.08

[lost-inanotherlife]

LOST is funny bc other sci-fi media are like: but what if you time travel and kill your grandpa? while LOST is like: but what if you time travel and your mama kills you? ever thought about that, hon? ever wondered how the concept of non-existence PALES in comparison to the fact that your last moments on this earth are about realizing your mother knew she was gonna kill you the whole fucking time? ever thought about THAT, sweetheart?

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Lost —5.14, The Variable

[nicascurls]

Quick appreciation post for both Danielle Bisutti and Michael Therriault because they seem like two of the sweetest and funniest people in real life but damn do I get mad when I see Barb or Dr Foley on screen.

[ljones41]

"LOST" Retrospect: "Who Ordered the Dharma Initiative Purge?"

Years ago, I had a written an article that speculated on which character from the ABC series, "LOST", was responsible for an incident called "the Dharma Purge". After a few re-watches of the series, I wrote this revision of the ARTICLE.

"LOST" RETROSPECTIVE: "WHO ORDERED THE DHARMA INITIATIVE PURGE?"

Seven years ago, I had written this article about a major incident on the ABC television series, "LOST". This incident happened to focus on the murders or "Purge" of the scientific research organization known as the Dharma Initiative. It happened on December 19, 1992; nearly twelve years before the series began and before the crash of Oceanic Airlines 815 flight.

In the Season Five episode, (5.10) "He's Our You", Oceanic Flight 815 survivor and later, time traveler Sayid Jarrah tried to murder young Ben Linus in 1977. In the following episode, another Oceanic time traveler, Dr. Jack Shephard, refused to treat the badly wounded Ben, who was near death. Eventually, two other time traveling castaways, James "Sawyer" Ford and Kate Austen, had taken Ben to the Others aka the Hostiles aka the Natives, a group of island inhabitants who served as its protectors on the behalf of the main protector Jacob, for treatment via Dr. Juliet Burke's instructions. Within a decade-and-a-half, Ben ended up ousting future billionaire Charles Widmore as leader of the Others.

Ever since the series had first aired, many fans had been uncertain of when Ben's tenure as the Others' leader had began - before or after the Purge. As I had stated earlier, the Purge occurred in December 1992, on the same day as Ben's birthday and during the same month as the Others' rejection of Widmore as their leader. Many fans and television critics had automatically assumed Ben had ordered the Purge. I have heard comments that compared Ben to Adolf Hitler. I have also heard comments that compared Ben’s younger self to a "young Hitler". Many people have claimed that it was Ben who had ordered the deaths of the Dharma Initiative members. However, I have my doubts.

During Seasons Three and Four, Ben had offered contradicting comments on whether or not he had ordered the Dharma Initiative Purge. In (3.23) "Through the Looking Glass", he had claimed responsibility of the Purge to Jack:

"Not so long ago, Jack. I made a decision that took the lives of over forty people in a single day"

Unfortunately, Ben had contradicted this claim in two other episodes. In the Season Three episode, (3.20) "The Man Behind the Curtain", he had said this to Oceanic survivor John Locke, while he displayed the remains of Dharma members at a mass grave:

"This is where I came from, John. These are my people. The Dharma Initiative. They came here seeking harmony, but they couldn't even co-exist with the Island's original inhabitants. And when it became clear that one side had to go, one side had to be purged, I did what I had to do. I was one of the people that was smart enough to make sure that I didn't end up in that ditch. Which makes me considerably smarter than you, John."

Ben never claimed responsibility for ordering the Purge to Locke. He had confessed to participating in the Purge. That same episode made it clear that his participation involved killing his abusive father, Dharma Initiative worker, Roger Linus. In fact, Ben also made the same thing clear in the Season Four episode, (4.11) "Cabin Fever", when he had the following conversation with another Oceanic castaway, Hugo "Hurley" Reyes:

HURLEY: So... This is where you shot Locke and left him for dead, huh? BEN: Yes, Hugo, I was standing right where you are now when I pulled the trigger. Should have realized at the time that it was pointless, but... I really wasn't thinking clearly. [Hurley steps back a little] HURLEY: Is that why you killed all these people, too? BEN: I didn't kill them. HURLEY: Well, if the Others didn't wipe out the Dharma Initiative -- BEN: They did wipe them out, Hugo, but it wasn't my decision. HURLEY: Then whose was it? BEN: Their leader's. HURLEY: But I thought you were their leader. BEN: Not always.

Interesting. He had admitted to trying to kill Locke in "The Man Behind the Curtain". But he denied being the one who had ordered the Purge. Also, Ben had been truthful when he told Hurley that he had not always been the Others' leader. The series had featured three other leaders - the ageless Richard Alpert (who eventually became the future leaders' advisor), Eloise Hawking and Widmore. Although some fans remain convinced that Ben had ordered the Purge, there are a good number of fans who hold Widmore responsible.

Thanks to a flashback in the Season Five episode called (5.12) "Dead Is Dead" - viewers learned that Widmore had definitely been the leader of the Others back in 1988. And in another Season Four episode called (4.09) "The Shape of Things to Come", viewers learned in a flash forward scene set in London that Ben had taken the leadership of the Others away from Widmore:

WIDMORE: I know who you are, boy. What you are. I know that everything you have you took from me. So... Once again I ask you: Why are you here? BEN: I'm here, Charles, to tell you that I'm going to kill your daughter. Penelope, is it? And once she's gone... once she's dead... then you'll understand how I feel. And you'll wish you hadn't changed the rules. [Widmore shifts in his bed.] WIDMORE: You'll never find her. [Ben turns to leave.] WIDMORE: That island's mine, Benjamin. It always was. It will be again.

I found it interesting that Widmore had regarded the island as "his". And there were other aspects of Widmore that I found interesting. The Season Five episode, (5.03) "Jughead", had revealed Widmore as a member of the Others, as far back as 1954 (when he was seventeen years-old). As one of the Others, Widmore (along with Richard and Hawking) had participated in a previous purge - that of U.S. Army personnel, who had brought a hydrogen bomb nicknamed "Jughead" with them to the island. On other occasions, Widmore had this inclination to kill anyone he deemed a threat to the island's secrecy. He killed a fellow Other to prevent the latter from leading Locke, Sawyer and Juliet to Richard's location in 1954. The 1988 flashback from "Dead Is Dead" revealed Ben's refusal to kill Danielle Rousseau and her baby, Alex. Instead, he claimed Alex as his child and threatened Danielle to stay away. This decision had angered Widmore, who had expected Ben to kill both. Why were Danielle and Alex's deaths that important to Widmore? Ironically, Widmore finally got his way regarding Danielle and Alex, thanks to Martin Keamy, the mercenary he had sent to the island to snatch Ben in Season Four.

So, when did Ben Linus replace Charles Widmore as leader of the Others? Before December 19, 1992? Or after? The photograph below from "The Man Behind the Curtain" hints that Ben had remained a worker for the DHARMA Initiative during that period, despite joining the Others sometime in the 1980s:

But had Ben assumed leadership of the Others by then? If not, does that mean Charles Widmore was still leading the Others in December 1992? Both the LOSTPEDIA and the WIKIPEDIA sites claimed that Richard Alpert had led the Others' purge against the Dharma Initiative in 1992. But neither site made it clear who had ordered the Purge. And "Dead Is Dead" never gave a clear date on Widmore's exile.

One would assume my choice for the man responsible for ordering the Purge would be Widmore. And you would be right. There seemed a good deal of evidence making him responsible. He had already participated in an earlier purge back in 1954. Ben had revealed time and again his willingness to use violence - even kill those he deemed a threat to himself or for emotional reasons. But the series had also revealed Widmore's willingness to do the same and especially kill in the name of protecting the island. And that included ordering Ben to kill an emotionally unstable Danielle Rousseau and her infant child. Widmore had also sent the murderous Martin Keamy to the island in late Season Three-Season Four to snatch Ben. He had claimed to Locke in (5.07) "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" that he had done so to give Locke the opportunity to become the Others' new leader. Yet, his words to Locke contradicted his words to Ben in London, when he had claimed the island as "his". This scene had occurred nearly a year or more after the events of Season Four.

There is also the matter of whether Keamy had another agenda - namely to kill any of the Oceanic survivors that remained. In "Cabin Fever" he had demanded Sayid reveal the number of other Oceanic survivors and their location. Fortunately, the latter had refused. In a confrontation with the freighter's Captain Gault, Keamy revealed his intentions to "torch" the island. Some claimed that this had been Keamy's angry reaction to his men being attacked by the Smoke Monster. Yet, in (4.08) "Meet Kevin Johnson", Ben had accused the freighter crew of plans to snatch him and kill the island's inhabitants. The only freighter personnel in the room - spiritualist Miles Straume - had remained unusually silent. In the following episode, (4.09) "The Shape of Things to Come", Miles claimed that Keamy and his men were around to serve as security guards for a captured Ben. But there was the revelation that Widmore had set up a false location for the missing Oceanic 815 plane - with a plane wreck and dead bodies included. This is merely an assumption of mine, but I believe Widmore had sent Keamy to not only snatch Ben, but kill the remaining Oceanic survivors as well to maintain the narrative. I found a good deal of clues that led me to suspect Widmore had ordered the Dharma Purge.

After watching the series more than once, I find it increasingly difficult to hold Ben responsible for the Purge. His actions against the Oceanic castaways had featured spying, kidnapping, harassment, threats and manipulation. He rarely resorted to murder - aside from his attempt to kill Locke and his order to kill Sayid, Jin Kwon and Bernard Nader during the events in the Season Three finale, (3.23) "Through the Looking Glass, Part 2". If Ben was truly capable of ordering the Purge, he would have wiped out (or tried) the Oceanic survivors after getting Jack to remove the tumor from his spine. The man had proved incapable of following Widmore's orders to kill Danielle and Alex.

In the end, viewers know that Charles Widmore had been the leader of the Others in 1988-89, when he had ordered Ben Linus to kill Danielle Rosseau and her infant daughter. Viewers know that Ben had refused. Viewers also know that Richard Alpert had led a group of Others in the Purge against the U.S. Army in 1954. He also led the Others' purge against the Dharma Initiative on December 19, 1992. On that same date, Ben killed his father, Roger Linus, in a similar manner – by toxic gas. And viewers know that Ben had eventually replaced Widmore and exiled the latter off the island. Personally, I suspect Widmore had ordered the Purge against Dharma. But I suspect it was an order he had not issued lightly, given the number of years the Others had been in conflict with the Dharma Initiative.

But I cannot say with any authority that Widmore had ordered the Dharma Initiative Purge. If we only knew exactly when Widmore had been exiled, perhaps this mystery of the Purge will finally be cleared.

[theafictionados]

Every Afictionados Best Line Award (Sam)

LOST Episode 503: Jughead by the Afictionados Podcast Network

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Check also the Nadia pool

[uncertaininnit]

Spoilers for s6 of lost! If you’re not there yet bugger off

Obviously the flash sideways shows the idea of a version of the world where the plane never crashed because the island had been blown up, and because of that we got to see our characters alive and well, living much better lives than they had gotten and this is obviously devastating.

The most devastating ones to me that stick with me are these:

The Rousseau family (and Ben too). Danielle got the chance to raise her daughter and have a happy normal life. Alex got to know her mother and have a normal life, living to her academic potential. And Ben got to mentor Alex, his daughter in another life, and have a close relationship with her. When on the island Danielle and Alex were unceremoniously killed after barely having time together.

But even more than them I think about Daniel Faraday (Daniel Widmore in the flash sideways). Because the island ‘didn’t exist anymore’ in the flash sideways, Eloise never forced her son to give up piano to make him pursue academics so that he would eventually end up on the island in time to get shot by her younger self.

It’s so devastating that Eloise did that to her own son in the first place, raised him to be killed by her. And this version of him never had to suffer that, he just got to play the piano like he wanted to.

And none of these people even ended up in the church at the end when they all moved on.

[powermove102]

Ins and outs of character dynamics and relationship in Lost (big spoilers btw)

I was going to start with a silly one, but instead I needed to rant and cry, so here we have

Daniel Faraday and Eloise Hawking

She killed her son. Like that’s literally the problem here. Sure, in the moment of *shoot* she doesn’t know who he is and she’s very confused after she does it but she, later, WILLINGLY sends him to the island where she KNOWS she will shoot him, effectively making her pull that trigger with full knowledge and intention. All he ever is to her is a pawn and something that just happened and so must happen, because she doesn’t care about his hopes and dreams of music, his pursuits in relationships, his medical condition beyond it harming his physics work, and thinks anything beyond his purpose to do the things he did as extraneous and completely beside the point. She completely takes advantage of his condition, using it as leverage to convince him to do what she wants because he doesn’t have the memory or confidence in his own thinking to disagree with her whenever she suggests he do something, ultimately pushing him in the direction of what she wants because he RELIES on other people to make sensible decision for him because he needs help with sensible cognitive function since he was likely never taught to fight his condition to think for himself, as it’s very helpful for Eloise to have him take her word as gospel, which he does because he trusts her and doesn’t know any better (but he SHOULD know better than to blindly trust, because that’s what a PARENT should TEACH him), but that trust is entirely misplaced because of her horrible intentions. All this means she is completely apathetic to him, whereas HE is completely devoted to her and constantly seeks her approval, because in his eyes she has all the answers and will look out for him when he can’t take care of himself and she has his best interests at heart even when those decisions are difficult because she’s wise and cares for him and loves him - except all that is a LIE. 

The one singular moment we need to see their entire relationship play out is the scene where she tells him to go to the island in The Variable: she pushes him, tells him it’s the right thing to do, that it’s “very important” that he agrees to it, he’s unsure of his own capabilities because he’s been treated lesser for constantly forgetting, she then uses his condition as leverage, outright LYING to him by saying what he could “accomplish” when the island bakes him “better” (all that he will accomplish is exactly what SHE wants him to do, then die, and never accomplish anything HE wants to do, and once again his only value in her eyes is his academic success - even if he did get better and return home healed, the only thing that will be good for in her eyes is the fact that he will be smarter at his work), then he asks “you really want me to go?”, because he’s been searching her approval all his life and has been taught that what she says is the utmost important thing, and when she says “yes”, he asks, and I swear to God I will cry, “WILL IT MAKE YOU PROUD OF ME?” because that's the ONE thing he never got, his mother being SATISFIED with ANYTHING he does, it’s never good enough for her, so now he FINALLY has a chance to make her proud and feel like he is worth something, so when she says “yes” again, by which she means that the only way she will actually be proud of him is if he goes and does what is necessary of him and then dies without anything for him in his life, he “then” agrees to go.

And in the moment that he finishes doing everything she wanted, and she shoots him, and he realises he’s been played by his own mother his ENTIRE life, he’s just so sad. He’s disappointed with his own life. Because he’s been searching for the approval of someone who will never give it to him. And right when he was starting to think he was finally making his mother proud of him, he realised that was always going to be impossible. And all his doubts about himself come rushing back, because he never mattered to anyone, and no-one ever loved him, and he was never worth anything, he was just there to do his work, get manipulated, and get betrayed.

And also? In the flash-sideways where his mother can be not-a-bitch because he has no island-dying purpose and can just live his life? Yeah. At her request, Desmond never wakes Daniel, so he never learns anything about the island life, because Eloise is scared he’ll see sense in how ridiculously ridiculous she was to him and he’ll drop her like he should. Bonkers.

Justice for Daniel. He never deserved a mother like Eloise.

[didanagy]

BRIDGERTON (2020-)

ELOISE BRIDGERTON

3.08

[msfangirlgonewild]

How the folks’ reaction? 😂

[artwarrioriii]

Pride 2024

Happy Pride Month!

[tiny-librarian]

Apart from the Astors, there were at least 6 sets of honeymooners in first class. Daniel Warner Marvin, aged nineteen, son of the owner of the Biograph Cinema Company, was returning to America with his bride, Mary Farquarson, aged eighteen. Lucien P. Smith, aged twenty-four, of Huntington, West Virginia, had recently married eighteen-year-old Mary Eloise Hughes: she bore his posthumous son in December 1912. Victor de Satode Penasco y Castellana, aged eighteen, from Madrid, was going to America with his new wife Maria Josefa Perez de Soto y Valleja, aged seventeen. John P. Snyder, aged twenty-three from Minneapolis, was returning from his European honeymoon with Nelle Stevenson, aged twenty-two. Dickinson Bishop, heir to the Rounf Oak Stove Company, had married in November 1911, and embarked at Cherbourg with his wife Helen after a tour of Mediterranean Europe and Egypt. One newly married couple were both verging on the age of fifty: Dr Henry (or Hyman) Frauenthal, with a high-domed baldness and fulsome black beard, had married in France, as recently as 26 March, Clara Heinsheimer from Cincinnati.

Titanic Lives - Richard Davenport-Hines

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How to Make Gravy Review: A Deep Dive into Generational Trauma

TL;DR – I was not sure what to expect with this film going, but a deep exploration of generational trauma was the surprise that the film needed, that and gravy. ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Rating: 4 out of 5. Post-Credit Scene – There is no post-credit scene.Disclosure – I paid for the Binge service that viewed this film.Warning – Contains scenes that may cause distress. How to Make Gravy Review – One of the many…

[uncertaininnit]

Idk how I never see people on here talking about Charladay in the episode Jughead (s5 ep3)

Like yes that’s the episode where daniel tells Richard he loves Charlotte in front of her. Everyone knows that. And everyone knows how he tells her he said it because he meant it.

But why does nobody talk about the moment when young Eloise (Ellie) comes in and demands that Daniel comes with her to the bomb, and he spends a full and entire 5 seconds just sitting there and looking at her with the most loving look I’ve ever seen in my life. He looks like he can’t tear his eyes off of her. And before he goes, he assures her. “Back soon, okay?”

And after he gets up to go he stops in the doorway just to turn back and look at her again. Literally sickening I’m sick. What the hell. He loves her so much

[lostsurvivorpoll]

Season 1, Episode 8