#deltarune crack theory

[kommitalt]

‼️DELTARUNE CRACK THEORY ALERT‼️

im pretty sure someone has already done this before but h

so... you know how lost is a synonym of "gone", right?

what if Lost Girl meant "Goner" Girl???

im not that updated with deltarune's theories at the moment but wasn't there one about Dess being in deltarune's code, speaking and asking for help?

i also listened to girl next door and noticed three peculiar notes (it's at about 0:18 - 0:35, focus on the guitar);

maybe it means something??? I know that's a bit of a stretch but !!!!!!

when I noticed that I tried to mix mus_him with Noelle/Dess' leitmotifs together, and this is what came out of it

im sorry if it's offkey i do not know how to music

Noelle is smart and she's probably going to be the first to find out Kris and the player are two separate entities.

i mean, she's already onto us in both Pacifist and Snowgrave route in ch2. no matter what path you take, she always notes how something is off with Kris.

i don't know if Dess has a connection to that guy™ but uhhhh i dunno anymore i ran out of brain power to continue this crack theory

dude i can feel it,, i can feel chapter 3 is this year.

please i can't handle another silksong

[happy-side15]

Deltarune headcanon: Dess's middle name is Ember and she uses fire magic in the dark world

[temothylol]

the worst thing about the icee creepypasta is that it adds yet more horrifying evidence to this. if this is real i am never sleeping again. god.

[aybri]

OH MY GOD I JUST HAD A MOMENT

This is probably not true but it kinda sorta makes sense??? Just a fun thought. I am making a lot of assumptions tbf.

In Undertale, when you "name the fallen child," you're naming Chara, right? The first fallen child.

You try to put in names of pre-existing characters and it goes "nope!" Why? Because there can only be one of them, it would cause a bit of a confusing paradox.

You put in "Gaster," the game crashes. Why?

Because if "Gaster" was erased from reality before the events of the game, would that not extend to other beings of a similar concept? Gaster's closest fellow scientists, the followers, all became goners alongside them. Anything especially close to them... gone, erased from existence.

Chara is already notable to Gaster because of their determination, but if they were to share the same name... I wouldn't be surprised if they came close as a result, causing Chara to become a goner alongside the others.

This, of course, completely fucks up the timeline. (Something, something, pun with "doggy style" and Toby Fox.) It fucks up the timeline SO badly, WAY more than naming them any of the other characters, that the game straight up can't handle it and just crashes. Chara's absence results in... pretty much the main plot of Undertale not really happening anymore.

In Deltarune, I feel like it's more that Gaster is trying to give us a throwback and/or is slightly annoyed at us trying to steal their name.

Just a fun little thought.

[devicecontact]

Think so much about this

And him.png (an image that was on the deltarune website in I think 2016 that was part of the deltarune legend but written in wing dings that you could only see via brightening the image) because the legend was quite literally whispered among shadows before the game was out.

[right-brain-left-brain]

A potential idea for Deltarune's chapter 3 secret boss

I think this post might get me some weird looks, but fuck it we ball.

I'll just stop beating around the bush and propose the idea (ramble): Chapter 3 will have a Sonic-like secret boss.

You have Woody Theory, now get ready for Sonic Theory.

Now please, hear me out.

The core idea here isn't to just rib at all the bad Sonic OCs in the internet (okay, maybe it was), but I wanted to reflect a theme that fits Chapter 3's take on a TV themed world well (a Hollywood-like setting); stardom, or the loss of it in this case.

For context, in the 90s, due to Sonic the Hedgehog's success, there was a trend where every mascot platformer tried to emulate Sonic (mainly his US portrayal at that time, an effort to make him appeal to the American market more) as much as they could; high speed/fast paced action, a mascot with a cool and snarky attitude, and advertising focused on just how fast the game could go and/or how cool and edgy the mascot is. As with all trends, it eventually died out, with a majority of the titles fading into obscurity (though the Sonic series it self is still very relevant and thriving) if not remembered for how tacky they were.

Basing a secret boss on this fits with the currently known secret bosses’ theme of forgotten and/or discarded objects (Jevil = jester card, Spamton = spam mail). In the context of Chapter 3's Hollywood-esque setting, this makes for a character that was once a star. They were the talk of the town, a household name until they suddenly fell from stardom, mimicking the fast but short lived success of the trend. Now, they wish to reclaim the fame and star power they once had, no matter what and how.

All the secret bosses are heavily tied to the theme of freedom and control. Jevil, believing that he's the only free person in the Card Kingdom, feels like he can do anything (as in being in full control). Spamton constantly seeks freedom and to release himself from his strings. Making the Chapter 3 secret boss an in-game game character also reflects the themes of freedom and control; game characters tend to be played (or controlled) by something beyond their world (players). As a game character, this secret boss's take on freedom and control could be interesting. Instead of wanting to no longer be controlled, they want to be controlled, to have a direction for them to go along with. Now abandoned, they have nobody to follow and be guided by. This mimics a game; playable characters only do something when you move them, let go of the controller and they just stand there, waiting to be moved again. This can also play with the theme of you, the player, and your dynamic with Kris, the character. Kris, someone who's haunted by the idea of all their actions not being in their control, being met with someone who wants to be controlled all the time, their antipode, can make for interesting encounters.

The Dreemurr household has a game console with two controllers; one official and the other a knockoff/off-brand one. Toriel mentions Asriel liking a character who is essentially the Deltarune universe's version of Yoshi in its version of Super Smash Bros. As 'Super Smashing Fighters' is a clear reference to Super Smash Bros, which as a series is played on consoles, this further confirms that there's a game console somewhere in the house. As the game console is something that Asriel have ties to, this gives Toby the chance to further explore Kris as a person, their thoughts and fears, and dynamics with others (especially family) even with Chapter 3's more lighter and gameplay focused take. The console is currently tucked under Asriel's bed which, while it looks like a problem, I'll get into a bit later.

Video games can still make sense in a TV World that puts emphasis on performance; they're entertainment played on television by connecting a device onto it (at least home console games). The secret boss being the main character of a game can be translated as an actor, someone who carries out the directions provided by a 'script' of sorts (the game itself or you/the player). In a way, video games are movies or shows that the player themselves have full control of; they share several elements with other forms of media, only this time with giving the consumer more liberty in enjoying.

The Deltarune status updates reveals what the OST calls a 'Green Room'. A Green Room is a "a room (as in a theater or studio) where performers can relax before or after appearances". Fitting for the direction that Chapter 3 takes for a world themed around TV entertainment. Not only does this reinforces the actor and performance theme that Chapter 3's direction goes for, which can especially be applied to the secret boss, but it confirms something; the Dreemurr house's second floor being involved. Before this sneak peek, a lot of fans assumed that only the living room will get Dark World-ified, but this single screenshot seems to be saying otherwise. We get a loose layout of the second floor's hallways, the potted cacti are the same in shape, the couches mimic Kris and Asriel's bed, the starry wallpaper comes from Asriel's side of the bedroom, and some even say the box of (prop?) swords represent Asriel's pencil box. This still gives the chance of the game console as a secret boss, or any other things in the second floor to be referenced as well.

In one of Spamton's QnA answers, we may have the elements of the next secret bosses revealed. Spamton himself have the Puppet/Cat element, sharing it with Tasque Manager according to the game's files. We can assume that Death/Scythe in this answer belongs to Jevil (though the game's files lists it as Chaos/Chaos, possibly as a joke), as the JevilsKnife is basically a scythe and Spamton dislikes him. This leaves us with Thunder/Light and Dark/Star. Thunder/Light fits well with the secret boss being a Sonic expy, as both are very fast things, while Dark/Star could refer to what this possible secret boss is; a star that fell from fame into obscurity (or darkness).

Now, onto fan theory territory.

1. Memoryhead: There's a theory suggesting that the Memoryheads represent the currently known and future secret bosses. Here's the Memoryhead itself, along with the circled parts showing Jevil (red) and Spamton (yellow):

Obviously these aren't the only faces on the Memoryhead as we also have this face:

Should look familiar right? Of course this isn't really definitive proof of the concept being plausible. I wanted to point out just how eerily similar one of the faces on the Memoryhead is to Sonic's conjoined eyes.

2. SOUL colors: A more common theory is that each secret boss would have their own SOUL color/modes based on the Undertale Genocide Route bosses in reverse order (Sans = Jevil = Red, Spamton = Mettaton = Yellow). On top of this theory, another theory from Reddit says that the secret bosses reflect an inversion of each color's virtues; in the case of the currently known secret bosses, Red for Determination, Yellow for Justice. Jevil accepts the truth with no resistance and deludes himself into believing he's free to do anything (the opposite of Determination) while Spamton is a crooked salesman who pressures Kris into making bad deals and scams his customers (the opposite of Justice). Following this pattern, the Chapter 3 secret boss's SOUL color/mode is either Purple or Green. Let's talk about how this could work for our Sonic ripoff.

Purple is the color of Perseverance. Inverting Perseverance could give us something along the lines of Apathy. To persevere is to stand tall even against the odds and the many trials of life. As the trend of Sonic-esque platformers lived for quite a short time, it can be said that it didn't persevere through the tests of time. Maybe we could have someone who's long gave up their dreams of returning to the spotlight, where they consider their current state as being eternally lost, until an opportunity (Kris and their SOUL; something to control them) presents itself. This sends them in a more frenzied and desperate state that makes them do whatever it takes to become famous again, no matter what they'll face in their path to have 'freedom' once more. This portrayal can both invert Perseverance as well as display a twisted version of it.

Instead of spiderwebs, the lines could be TV scan lines, tying the chapter's TV theme with the secret boss' basis of a video game character. The lines could also refer to game consoles and controllers, with both using wires to connect themselves onto the TV.

Alternatively, this secret boss uses the green SOUL, the color of Kindness. Inverting Kindness gives Selfishness or Meanness. This still lines up with the secret boss being a Sonic clone, as the games that tried to ride and capitalise on Sonic's success tend to forgo Sonic's kindness and heroism for being cool and edgy for the sake of being cool and edgy, ending up with a character whose only defining trait is 'being totally rad' even to the point of self-centeredness. With that interpretation, the secret boss can instead be selfish and shrewd, disregarding others and doing whatever they can no matter what to get their hands on Kris' SOUL. On the surface, they still try to keep a kind and heroic persona (but not without the snark) despite no one remembering them. All of this to reclaim the image that they once have, their stardom, and their life. Why should they matter? They're not the ones who have their lives and acclaim suddenly robbed from them right?

While it skips the Purple SOUL, the Green SOUL returning in Chapter 3 can be inferred from Seam saying that the "next opponent" (presumably the secret boss) is impossible to beat without the 'Shadow Mantle'. A mantle can mean many things, for one it could mean a cape of sorts or a covering. As Seam says that we need the Shadow Mantle to fight the next secret boss, it can be inferred that it acts as a second shield for the Green SOUL, covering the area not protected by it.

3. Heaven and Hell: So far, all the known secret bosses have made references to Heaven or Hell. Jevil, besides being a demonic jester, says “MY HEARTS GO OUT TO ALL YOU SINNERS!” before one of his attacks. Spamton have made several allusions to Heaven (“ARE YOU WATCHING, [Heaven]!? IT'S TIME FOR SPAMTON'S [Comeback Special]!”) and has an angel theming (the mini Spamtons that heal half your health, Spamton NEO). Making the Chapter 3 secret boss a star past their prime by basing it on a dead gaming trend still fits this theming. They’re a star that fell into obscurity. In other words, Lucifer, the morning star, a fallen angel.

Okay, all of this is cool and weird. But then, what about the flowers? The ones Asgore gave to Toriel? Wouldn't that, a discarded thing that sits fairly near to the living room, also be secret boss material?

Simple, they can still be a part of this potential secret boss, just not as the boss itself.

Instead, the flowers can be the stage for the boss fight. A lot of Classic Sonic games (read: Sonic games at the 90s) start off in places with a fair amount of vegetation, especially trees and flowers. I can see the flowers also acting as the trees. In short, the trash can itself will be the stage for the secret boss's fight.

And now, some personal ideas.

1. Speech quirk: As an embodiment of a long gone fad, this secret boss's speech quirk would be speaking in 90's slang frequently while putting certain letters in bubbles, as if they're buttons on a game controller, with T being replaced with a + to evoke a D-pad. Something like so:

2. Gaster design motif: It's heavily implied that Gaster have some involvements with the secret bosses. They also have design motifs that they share with Gaster; Jevil have Gaster's eye cracks (or is it just clown makeup?) while Spamton have Gaster's fashion sense. I think, for a character that plays into the theme of a former star that long for their fame to return, the Chapter 3 secret boss will have a hole on each hand, just like Gaster's hands. On top of rings being the main collectible of every Sonic game as well as loop-de-loops being a common feature in Sonic level design, hands with holes can symbolise grasping for something (in this case fame/stardom), only to fail.

3. Amusement park ride: Each secret boss so far seem to have an amusement park ride theme of sorts, with Jevil's fight being in a carousel (or at least similar to) and Spamton's fight taking you on [[a ride around town]] on a rollercoaster. As the rollercoaster is (unfortunately) taken, I'm gonna have to go with a pendulum ride. Besides being a very fast ride (some even swinging in a full circle, just like a loop-de-loop), it can symbolise this character's arc of wanting to reach their past stardom only to slip away.

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if the entire cowboy thing ended up being a hint to the actual secret boss itself, but, knowing Toby Fox, I also wouldn't be surprised if it isn't. If this ends up being inevitably deconfirmed by Chapter 3's release, I can still claim him as an entirely original secret boss complete with an orange SOUL mode. All in all, I just needed to put this out somewhere, for some unfortunate souls to read.

TL;DR: The Chapter 3 secret boss is a Sonic expy as a riff on the Mascot with Attitude trend from the 90s and to parallel a movie star past their prime (according to Chapter 3's direction), desperate to be guided and to have fame once more.

[patchwork-crow-writes]

Okay new Ralsei headcanon in response to the Poly-Ralsei theory: He's actually in love with Kris BUT ALSO the SOUL/player at exactly the same time, and having them both share a body is his ultimate dream scenario.

And instead of conspiring with Kris to overthrow our control of them during the Susie interludes, he's instead pitching his idea for a Kris/Ralsei/Player polycule to them, where they can take turns hosting the SOUL during their dates. He has drawn charts and timetables and everything. He's very insistent on this and Kris doesn't really know how to get him to stop. He doesn't want us knowing because it's funnier that way.

[krissyboy14]

What if Susie is the knight?

Deltarune theory #2‼️

Okay, so a few days ago I replayed deltarune for probably the 9th time maybe more. I was paying extra close attention for my fancomic to dialogue and stuff to make sure I don’t mischaracterize anyone and get more information. This time I played, I made sure to pay extra attention to Susie.

Point #1: She was never that shocked about entering the Dark World when they actually got in. She may have been scared at first in the closet scene, but she got used to it VERY quickly. She could just adapt easily, but you never know.

Point #2: She prefers the Dark World much more than the light world. It could be because of her possibly terrible home life, but I still think it’s because she’s the knight.

Point #3 (the big one): She talks about opening more dark fountains even after Ralsei says it will cause the roaring. It’s like she ignores that completely. In the beginning of chapter 1, she says “If the world is ending, it’s not my problem.” She also says “your choices don’t matter.” Which could be that she knows that Kris is possessed, OR she is going to cause The Roaring anyway.

Point #4: She was late to class on the first day, which could be that she opened the fountain in the unused classroom after opening the one in the closet if she hadn’t beforehand. She also could’ve opened the fountain in the computer lab that night as well.

In conclusion, I think Susie is The Roaring Knight. This is a huge stretch of a theory, but I think this is the type of shit Toby would pull on us. I know that most of these points can be used to describe other things, but you know

[splatwav]

you ever think how kris is tied to courage?

• “you two have the COURAGE to save the world!

• Kris’s Courage act in the King fight

• “Faint Courage” game over theme

what if that’s their real soul trait?

[marshiemonarch]

Deltarune fans who do y'all think the Knight is?

I'm honestly open to anyone being the Knight but I have some favorite candidates.

One idea I have is the Knight is it's a force rather than a single person. So technically the Knight could be anyone and everyone.

Alternatively, there's like a separate entity or something that gets others to do it's dirty work cuz it physically can't.

I can go more in-depth with this maybe at some point. It's just a little difficult to put all my ideas/theories into words sometimes.

Papyrus as the Knight is growing on me cuz it would be so funny. The fandom would lose their minds and I would love it.

He finally gets to be in the Royal Guard guys it has to be true!!

[mayax81]

spamton's glasses are like those retro 3d glasses so that's why he can differentiate between kris's soul & ours

i own this^ pair but with both lenses pink (not deltarune merch)

& i had this^ exact pair when spy kids 3 came out

[lilybug-02]

Oh yeah, you made a post a while back talking about the unclear nature between animals, monsters and humans. And whatever these three things are connected through evolution. (hell you questioned if animals exist in undertale) Im just gonna say, monsters turn to dust, but snails, an animal, dont in undertale. Unless snail pie turns out to have been dust pie all along...which i uh doubt.

That’s what I like to hear! >:) 🔥

Discussions and theories on this are few and far between. And even though Toby Fox will (probably) never answer any of it, I love trying to figure it out for myself.

Evolution my dear bread crumbs is key. And I really want to think that “magic” is engrained in this world as much as Carbon itself is.

[canadiancryptid]

So I started thinking about the game on Asriel's computer, and now I can't stop thinking about the possibility of Asriel and/or Kris being the ones to create Undertale. I mean, if Gaster might have created Deltarune, why couldn't they have made Undertale?

I mean, its clearly supposed to be a reference to the Asriel fight, but I started questioning if there might be more to it, and here I am.

They way this has been piecing together in my brain, I see it as more Kris picking up what Asriel started and never finished some time after the events of Deltarune, with every intention of having it played by the same entity that controlled them.

All of the similarities between the games can easily be things that were based of their actual adventures and people from Hometown. What I'm interested in are the major differences.

- Most of the magic used by monsters could be based on what little magic they can use in the Light World, as well as magic used by both Lightners and Darkners in Dark Worlds.

- Frisk and Chara being so similar to Kris makes perfect sense if they were inspired by them. They both share a ton of traits with Kris, but Chara seems to have the most. Frisk is the player character based on their experience while under the player's control, and Chara is the self-insert that fills their role in the Dreemurr family, but is also one of two characters in the game who directly speak to you as the player.

- Gaster and all his mysteries could be based on whatever entity we've been assuming IS Gaster in Deltarune. They never fully found out what was going on there, but they knew putting in references to it would drive the curious players insane.

There's something about the idea of Kris creating Undertale because of the events with the player in Deltarune, only for most of us to find Deltarune in the first place because of Undertale.

The one major part of this theory is how Asriel is depicted in Undertale. I guess it could be explained as Asriel's edgy OC from when he was working on it getting reworked for the story, but that might be stretching it a bit.

Do I think any of this is even close to canon? Not for a second. Pure crack theory. But I can't stop thinking about it and it makes a concerning amount of sense. There are a bunch of other smaller things I can think of that could be looped in, but these are most of the main ones. I don't like how deeply this has infected my brain.

[starbirdkitsune]

Queen is a drone confirmed

This is the most crack theory i have made since I theorized Mo would appear in Deltarune

[thenocturnenarrator]

Yo, what if Ralsei was secretly Dess all along

[hattyhatterson]

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