#for context we have tommy's dream rp from his first live show

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Why c!Dream should (and probably will be) redeemed

Hi! I’m bad with intros. You’ve read the title, so, let’s start with the definitions.

In this essay, we are considering the popularized definition of “redemption” instead of the classical one, which is, as per the Oxford Dictionary, “the act of saving or state of being saved from the power of evil; the act of redeeming.” That’s not however the way the word is used in fandom and media.

/dsmp /rp

The definition of redemption I’ll be working with in this essay is not forgiveness by the people who c!Dream has hurt, nor is it removing himself entirely from his past actions, but moreso the decision to change for the better and abandon destructive mindsets for himself and others.

A “redemption” in a narrative sense would be circumstances and a character arc that would allow that kind of healing and betterment.

I’d like to start this off by the fact that being “irredeemable”, in this sense, also doesn’t exist; redemption is a thing of conditions and choice, not of being allowed by someone else. You can’t gatekeep healing from people who seek it, just to be clear, and that even goes for people who have done terrible things.

Since I understand there is a lot of concern for c!Dream’s past actions, here is a post from people who are much more fit than me to speak on the matter, about the way in which they see a possible c!Dream redemption arc.

Another disclaimer, I am not going to be considering c!Dream only from the perspective of c!Tommy in this essay. c!Dream appears in other people’s perspectives and he himself has his own, unseen perspective. As a character, he is an individual person in his own right rather than just the antagonist of c!Tommy’s story, and so I do not have much concern for their narratives intertwining too much should this writing choice occur.

I’d also like to note that redemption is, in this sense, always a positive thing for everyone involved - someone who’s been prone to doing bad things in the past deciding not to do them anymore and try to change, or just simply heal enough to consider it, isn’t going to have a long-term negative effect in any of the characters, but rather the other way around. Healing is an unlimited resource, and the victims do not have to heal first for the person who hurt them to consider being better.

Here’s a well-written thread on Twitter that elaborates a bit to finish off this point, and let’s move on to actually talking about redemption in the context of the Dream SMP, and c!Dream specifically.

Why a c!Dream redemption arc is not only a good writing choice, but in this case the only good writing choice;

c!Dream, as we all know, has been subject to mental and physical abuse to the point of straight up torture by both c!Sam and c!Quackity (to different extents). He has been in indescribable amounts of suffering for the past 74 days at the time this essay will be published. That is six and something times the duration of the entire exile arc in canon.

Whatever the interpretation of his words in prison is, what is undeniable is first of all the fact his mental stability is absolutely crushed at this point, second that no human being could possibly ever deserve to undergo this, and third, his stay in the prison is showing off his humanity and making him out to be sympathetic.

Now, consider this; how would it feel if c!Tommy died at the end of the exile arc? Empty, there would be no catharsis to such an end, especially because of all of the hurt he’d gone through. Objectively, a bad writing choice.

Let’s compare, narratively of course, this situation to the prison arc. Even though I would never say one of them is “better” or “worse” than the other, since both are terrible and undeserved, c!Dream’s current state checks off all of the boxes that would make his death unsatisfying in the storyline; even if people want him gone, there would still be the dissatisfaction at the current build-up and why they even did it in the first place (it really wasn’t necessary to anyone else’s story to make him out as a victim, and yet they did) if they were planning to kill him off anyways. And since the prison arc is naturally meant to induce sympathy, even from an angst perspective it would simply not make sense within the themes and writing of the plot.

So, c!Dream can’t die, and he also can’t stay in the prison forever - the build-up must lead to something, which is logically a breakout. Great… what now?

Well, the Dream SMP prides itself in accurate representation of trauma and mental instability, specifically cc!Tommy and cc!Dream who have pulled it off incredibly during the exile arc.

Now, undoubtedly, after the prison, c!Dream is going to be just terribly traumatized- considering the writers’ past creative decisions, would it make sense for him to play the role of a dangerous, heartless villain in other people’s stories, while completely ignoring the logical fallout of what he’s been through?

In my mind, no. The most possible result is that cc!Dream is going to rightfully portray someone who’s been hurt so much he is broken, scared and tortured into submissions over months of agony and slowly stripping away of his agency, his dignity, his humanity. And that is… not going to be pretty, nor is he going to be in any way the same as before.

After everything, I’d be surprised if he can properly look at shears without shaking. That’s not villain behaviour, that’s the behaviour of someone who needs help.

Which leads me to another point, which is relatability. Believe me or not, there are people out there who heavily relate to c!Dream because they have been through things that allow them to see themselves in the character - abandonment, mental illness, etc. - or who have had destructive mindsets they have struggled to let go of in the past.

To them, as well as to the viewer, redeeming c!Dream could actually be a very good example, showcasing that anyone who has done bad things or has been hurt in the past can learn that it is possible to be better, to move on, to not be stuck in a loop but to actively seek help and then use that support to find the path to healing.

Making c!Dream a better person, who in a way, wins over his past, over his trauma, over the hurt he’s caused, and manages to actually get better… is inspiring, in a sense. It shows that you can abandon unhealthy mindsets, you can find a support group of people who care about you, you can make your life better simply by deciding to be better and then sticking to that, no matter how difficult the process.

This is why I believe that redeeming c!Dream would not be bad writing, but quite the opposite, and that the prison arc is an obvious set-up. Alright, but how does that work with the character? How could someone so widely hated mentally improve in such a seemingly violent and terrible environment? Would it even make sense within the context of c!Dream’s character so far? Well,

Why c!Dream has the capacity for healing and the Dream SMP the ability to provide it;

First of all, let’s remind ourselves that through c!Dream’s entire spiral he wasn’t ever directly given a chance to change. He was regarded as someone to defeat in order to accomplish a happy ending, or as someone who needed to be removed in order to achieve power on the SMP. Ever since the 16th, which is when the corruption of the character is the most obvious, there have been no attempts to reach out or to help him. I do not blame the characters for this - I am simply pointing out that since it has never happened before, we do not know how he would respond, and that, after everything he’s been through, any bit of kindness or compassion towards him will be a new concept he will have to learn to deal with somehow.

This point is especially driven home by the fact that both c!Quackity and c!Sam would often tell him he is a monster who deserves nothing but to suffer, and that what he’s going through is never going to amount to all the hurt he’s caused - basically removing any possibility for ever getting better (because by this logic, he doesn’t deserve support, and he doesn’t deserve to get better) from his line of sight.

He also hasn’t had a support system since shortly after the 16th, when his friends left him over c!George’s dethronement and made no effort to mend their relationship afterwards. c!Dream isn’t used to having allies and people on his side, but to being hated; again, wouldn’t that mean positive reinforcement could very well be all he needs to make the choice?

His bad mindsets - attachments are weakness, ends always justify the means, people will consider you a bad person no matter what you do - have been continuously proven right by his environment, even in prison. Any kind of subversion, plus an explanation as to why they are wrong, could be of great help to c!Dream.

Just another disclaimer; I do not believe c!Dream would change thanks to the treatment in prison, but rather despite it. His mental stability is non-existent at that point, and in order to get better he needs genuine emotional support from the people around him as well as to heal before he can redeem himself.

Alright, but… c!Dream has hurt a lot of people. Who would be fit to help him?

Let’s start off with the worst option and why it’s impossible the writers would even attempt this; c!Tommy.

c!Tommy has no responsibility to help or ever forgive c!Dream - not to say he could. The two, as it is, would drag each other down instead of helping in any capacity, and only make matters worse. The two of them shouldn’t even interact in the best case scenario - the best thing for both of them would be if they got enough healing and support individually that they could live around each other and not get their trauma or toxic habits triggered when interacting for whatever purpose of the plot.

So, if not c!Tommy (and c!Tubbo neither by extension), who could redeem c!Dream?

Well, he can’t do it on his own for sure. Being in nature with animals is nice, but further isolation from other people would merely help with the prison trauma, not with the state of his tendencies when interacting with others. He, once again, needs positive reinforcement from other people for him to heal properly.

There are two main options for this in my mind, and then there’s a few individuals he could also find comfort in, including people from both groups or those unaligned.

1) Kinoko Kingdom

From the people of this new country, c!Dream has never negatively interacted with c!Karl before, he has never hurt c!George and he hasn’t directly harmed c!Sapnap. Although the relationship with his old friend group could be difficult to rekindle, none of them have grudges against him that are too personal, and they have been canonically close friends since the beginning of the SMP, so it would be very much possible to rebuild burnt bridges. They’d be familiar, and with the addition of c!Karl they could be a good source of comfort for c!Dream after he either breaks out or is released from prison - just gotta convince c!Sapnap not to kill him first.

2) The Syndicate

From the Syndicate, c!Dream has never directly interacted with c!Nikki, and from what I know of her character she never seemed to be very affected by his actions - even doing his work for him when he was planning to burn down the L’Mantree. c!Techno is an ally who doesn’t have anything against him, and as for c!Ranboo, here is why I believe c!Dream being in the Syndicate could be positively influential on his character arc as well;

c!Ranboo and c!Philza have had a conversation about change, during which c!Ranboo made it clear he thinks everyone can change except for c!Dream; who, in his mind, is “too deep down the rabbit hole”. c!Philza replied that he thinks anyone can change if given enough time.

… you see what I’m getting at?

c!Dream has been implied to be an ally to c!Ranboo’s enderwalk state (or the state when he has access to his full memory), and hence would most likely not behave negatively towards him at all. While it might make it more difficult for c!Ranboo to deal with his own issues, it might also give him more motivation to get to the bottom of it as well, especially since he now has access to the person who, presumably, started this all. While this is going on, c!Dream would show himself in a much different light than c!Ranboo sees himin, which could lead to confusion, realization of the flaws in his own logic, and hence, positive character development.

Here’s a great post about why c!Techno as a character could be a great asset in c!Dream’s healing process & redemption, and why there is not much need to worry about him not knowing or finding out about c!Dream’s actions.

Of Kinoko Kingdom and the Syndicate, as far as I know, neither c!Tommy nor c!Tubbo have ever been directly involved with these groups, nor are they planning to.

Another important point to make is that, while c!Tommy needs to be kept away from c!Dream in order to heal properly, the same goes for c!Quackity and c!Sam in c!Dream’s case. While c!Quackity has high chances to interact with either Kinoko Kingdom or the Syndicate in the future, there’s an even higher chance, in that situation, that c!Dream would be offered protection, which is also important; there is no healing from trauma without the knowledge of safety, to some degree.

So, this was an essay as to why I think c!Dream’s recovery and redemption (one needs to come before the other, naturally) is not only extremely possible but also could be pulled off well and have a positive impact on both the characters, and the audience.

[wooteena]

im now going to elaborate on philza being an awful father!!!!!! /rp

FIRST: favouritism

phil showcases favouratism in his children, which to an extent is natural in parenthood but phils case is extreme and leads to neglect. techno is the obvious favourite child: phil states out of character that he adopted techno and trained him, sparking technos violence and not trying to turn his bloody tendancies into a more positive coping mechanism in a child which seems to be abused or manipulated to some degree. phil also spends the most time with techno, forming the original antarctic empire in smp earth and continuing his allyship with him on the dream smp, being basically the only person techno trusts. leads on to.....

SECOND: neglect

as stated in the first part, phil favours techno over his other two children; both who we assume are biologically siblings as theres no evidence that they arent related by blood. firstly, wilbur shows tendancies from a very unloved childhood. in the first era of l'manberg, wilbur actively seeks power; putting himself in the highest rank in his nation and making all the important decisions. this type of flaire-for-attention way of living is vety reminicent of middle child stereotypes: seeking attention when you get none in your own family. phil also never comes to wilbur (or tommys) aid in the smp, only coming last minute try to stop the final hurrah - which he failed to do because his son didnt see his own fathers word as important enough (see how weird that is?) - and then letting wilbur convince phil to kill his own son. this directly transitions into tommy, who has very similar issues. not much is known about the dynamic between phil and tommy, but from the little information i have it worries me. tommy has a very similar, almost desperate need for attention and a want to be wanted as wilbur, but the length hell go to get that fuffiled is hard to tell because of his age and the stunted amount of respect you can get compared to wilbur. but the most worrying and almost only information we have to take a look into tommys treatment from philza:

phil didnt name tommy. wilbur did

optimistically, wilbur only named tommy because phil let him. because it was a nice way of bonding the newly older brother with his sibling. but comparing that to the prior inbalance of treatment between wilbur and techno, its hard to believe. what makes more sense, with all of this extra context is that wilbur named tommy because phil didnt care to. phil and tommys relationship being very vague backs this up; its like they just didnt have enough connection in the first place.

tldr the sbi kids have a bad case of daddy issues

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Aqua’s Live Reactions: “Tommyinnit Breaks Into Prison and Tries to Kill Dream”

So... I was asleep during the livestream (I’d say I was recovering from my past 4 days of tests) and apparently this one’s a bombshell of a stream, so I’m reacting to this one as well! Since the vod isn’t even up as of the time I’m watching this, I’m watching an unofficial vod here (warning: thumbnail is a spoiler).

Once again, a few things before we start:

For once, I don’t know what happens during the stream. Like, not at all, I slept in until like 11:40am. I might have been spoiled a little by a meme on a community post that I got the moment I went on YouTube to look for the vod, or maybe some hints of spoilers in fanfics written by speedrunning authors on AO3. That’s all I know, I’m going in blind this time. Also, thumbnail of the vod seems to be a massive spoiler, that’s literally all I know.

I hate how I’m going in blind, because I can’t go on Tumblr because people liveblog, I can’t edit TV Tropes because they update fast (nor the DSMP Wiki, for that matter), I can’t go on Discord if I’m looking in the spoiler channels, I can’t even use YouTube to look the damn vod up without getting spoilered... ugh. Time zones, amirite?

Like always, if there are any ads, you’re probably going to see me raging over them.

This whole post is within the context of the SMP, so /rp and /dsmp applies to everything under the cut.

If you don’t know what happened, be warned, as spoilers go unmarked. I’m only adding the spoiler warning because it’s within the first 24 hours of the stream, but in all the other cases, it was later, so it was all fair game.

0:00 – GHOSTBUR??

0:19 – Ranboo and Tubbo and Ghostbur... it’s the boys! <3

0:42 – Are you guys seriously trying to wither the prison?!

1:58 – You do realize that this is a risky play, right? No wonder there are fics where Sam apparently kills Tommy that are tagged spoilers... also, doesn’t Ghostbur melt upon touching water and stuff? There’s a water path in the security measures, how are we supposed to do that? (Wait, sending Ghostbur in... is that the catalyst for the spoiler in the thumbnail?)

2:35 – Ooh, the Axe of Peace, huh? Perfect metaphor. Also, would Dream be under the impression that Quackity’s showing up for the daily torture session again? Hmmm... wonder how that plays out.

2:59 – “We only need to take one of his canon lives, right?” Arguably, yes, actually, considering he only has the one left. We take one of his canon lives, and he’s permadead! Exact words trope, my man!

3:57 – But don’t you need to die to get into the prison? Non-canonically, that is, but seriously... security measures and all, you need to reset your spawn at least twice... how are you going to bypass the very security measures of the prison? In theory, you can’t keep anything on you, and you need inside help to sneak anything into the jail, as Quackity demonstrated a month and a half ago.

4:11 – “...but... I like women!” Man, Sam’s so going to think that Tommy put you up to this, no one on this server talks about liking ladies as much as Mr. TommyInnit does. Dead giveaway, pal.

4:16 – “This is gonna work.” No, I doubt it, I know it has to work for the plot to work, but realistically... I don’t think it’s gonna work.

4:35 – “I’ve been thinking a lot about girls.” Please... don’t do that. Don’t talk about boobies when the only woman you’ve been with (as far as we know) is a literal fuckin’ fish, and fish definitely don’t have boobies, no matter what the content mocked in r/PointlesslyGendered may suggest. Also, choose a more inconspicuous topic... please? Changing the subject so abruptly is only going to raise suspicion.

4:46 – “You look very kickable. You’re gonna--” “Yay!” LMAOOOOOOOOOO why would anyone want to kick the cinnamon roll?

5:36 – “They’re not gonna try and revive me, right?” I don’t know for sure, but considering what Dream said and the spoilers that are insinuated... I’m sorry. 

5:56 – I’ll be honest with you, Tommy, this plan is far from sound.

6:17 – No, I don’t think you have a backup. This scares me. It’s too risky of a play.

6:37 – FRIEND!! My beloved!!!

6:48 – What the hell does ‘ruminating’ mean? Is this some fancy word for ‘eat’ or is it English as First Language exclusive learning term? *looks up on dictionary* “to bring up food from the stomach and chew it again”... specialized biology term... ew. I never learnt this word. Does the English education system cover this sort of stuff in their Bio curriculum? *sobs*

7:08 – Bringing friend for cute points? I doubt that’s gonna work, but sure. Just... try not to die, okay, dearie?

7:55 – Does Ghostbur seriously have a sword named lore?! And Tommy has a Manburg shield? What the... (Speaking of that, Quackity had a Manburg shield or banner in his ender chest as well, from when he tried to blow up the Egg? What’s up with that? I know this is super off-topic, but I want to know how they got their hands on enemy merchandise.)

8:04 – Ghostbur and friend... this is way too adorable

8:15 – I love them being happy, but hm... Dream and Sam are both online right now... I wonder why...

8:26 – MY HEART GHOSTBUR AND FRIEND THIS IS AMAZING

8:34 – FRIEND EATING GRASS............................... THIS IS THE CUTEST THING I HAVE SEEN ALL DAY AND THE BOYS ARE HAPPY, MY DAY IS MADE, GAME OVER, WE CAN GO HOME NOW

9:27 – Imagine this plan succeeds and Quackity comes in the next day and sike! Dream is officially deceased and he still doesn’t know how to bring people back to life yet! (I pray that his somewhat addled moral compass is still intact and he won’t go after the kids.)

9:32 – HE GAVE THEM BOTH HUGS AJKS;FA;LSDLKSA;SRW;AFDSC

10:29 – “shame I feel because of him” *screams*

10:57 – Are we gonna have to go around, because Ghostbur melts in water?

11:08 – This genuinely scares me, his feet are gonna be melted!

11:40 – Is that the shaky breath everyone has been talking about?

12:28 – How did a baby zombie get in? Please don’t get Philza’d.

12:55 – I’m noticing all these white particles in the nether waiting room section, is it built in a basalt delta biome?

13:16 – Bye, friend ;-;

13:33 – “he’s my comfort sheep” I CAN’T (also perfect way to change the subject, as planned)

13:55 – Did Sam ban all the visits on the prison after the whole death incident, or did he loosen up ever since the whole daily torture routine started?

14:21 – While he’s reading, Tommy’s making weird expressions and probably mentally prepping in silence in the background

15:13 – No, Ghostbur, you’ve never visited the prison before this, and most certainly not your living counterpart...

15:20 – “Where’s your place of residency?” “L’Manburg.” Excuse me while I cry over Doomsday again..

16:01 – “There’s not much of me physically.” Oh, is he gonna talk about being a barely corporeal (that word is so hard to spell, I had to look it up) ghost-- “I’m quite small.” Oh...

16:59 – Hey, why did he pull the lever?

17:16 – I honestly really love Sam for being relatively nice and patient here.

17:43 – OH, HE’S GOING IN THE GUARD’S WAY!!

17:52 – “Hello, lights! How are you!” I CAN’T, HE’S A CINNAMON ROLL

18:09 – I wonder if the “ahhhh!” was... was it because of pain or a positive emotion? If it’s pain, “that was a lot of fun, can we do it again?”... did he forget?

18:39 – I really am into his acting here, he has to cough, and coughs into his shirt in real life, like to muffle the sound... very pogchamp!

18:52 – Fun definitely isn’t the word to describe this, Sam, I’m with you on this

19:25 – I’m glad that it took this long for there to be an ad, I’m guessing it’s because this channel is relatively small?

20:09 – “[These literal prison cells] are nicer than my house” oh, ghostbur.......

20:33 – Wait, there’s a courtyard?!!?

21:07 – I can definitely feel with you, Tommy, his face... yeah, this search requires literally having a sword stuck through you... like Wilbur’s final canon death...

21:22 – Oh no, it’s the waterworks... Sam, he melts in water... this is what I was scared for.

22:12 – WHEW! I thought this wasn’t gonna be brought up for a sec.

22:34 – I’m not sure if I should feel guilty for being more concerned for Ghostbur melting in the prison than Tommy’s potions running out.

23:22 – DRINK THE POTION WHILE HE SIGNS THE CONTRACT

23:35 – Tommy’s eyes be poppin’... yeah, you’re kind of being the security breach here, pal, and you got traumatized heavily the last time there was a security breach... in other words, BIG YIKES.

23:43 – Can ghosts even catch colds? You gotta catch a virus for that... can ghosts get affected by viruses again? Also, thanks for the cover-up.

23:57 – Really, really thanks for the timely cover-ups, Ghostbur.

24:11 – Yeah, this would be funny, Ghostbur’s already completely dead... *smile drops* unless...

25:13 – OH NO EXTRA PLUME OF FIRE... SAM, PLEASE OVERLOOK THIS

25:51 – HE’S HERE! WE’RE HERE! I FORGOT HOW CLOSE THE FIRE PART WAS TO THE CELL!!

26:24 – Here’s my question, is that once Dream is dead, would Tommy be trapped in there again, since he didn’t set his spawn? Or would he just die (losing a canon life, since all deaths involving the prison are canon unless it’s a security check thing) and leave his tools behind? I’m just very concerned for if all of this goes to plan.

27:20 – NO HE’S SINGING THE ANTHEM I’M GONNA CRY AT THIS RATE

27:26 – TOMS LOOKS SO CLOSE TO TEARS I CAN’T

27:34 – HELLOOOOOOOOO GREEN BOY!!!

28:12 – GODDAMMIT WE JUST HAD TO DO THIS AT SUCH A CRUCIAL MOMENT TOMMY WHY DID YOU TAKE OUT THAT AXE WHY

28:24 – DUDE THEY CAN HEAR YOU..... SAM IF YOU KILL THIS INTRUDER I WILL TAKE ALL YOUR GODDAMN CANON LIVES YOU HEAR ME

28:51 – SAM, ARE YOU DOING THE MILK AS A SECURITY MEASURE OR DO YOU NOT RECOGNIZE THE VOICE OF THE TEENAGER WHO SCREAMED FOR YOUR HELP BUT YOU REFUSED TO ANSWER HIS CALL

29:47 – ARE YOU SERIOUSLY HERE TO RULE-FU HIM

29:54 – Seriously, man, let your reckless teen son go feral for once /hj

30:41 – “Yeah, and I’ll revive him if you don’t let me free!” DREAM WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON, YOU’RE STILL THREATENING TO KILL A MAN AND YOU’RE HOLDING HIM HOSTAGE, BASICALLY, WHAT THE LEGITIMATE FUCK

31:27 – DREAM BASICALLY JUST BROKE OUT OF JAIL BY LEAVING THE GAME YOU STUPIDHEAD WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON

32:21 – YES YOU COULD HAVE DAMN WELL DONE SOMETHING BUT YOU DIDN’T

33:20 – GHOSTBUR BEING IN DISTRESS MAKES ME SAD 

33:48 – THIS IS GENUINELY HEARTBREAKING YOU KNOW

33:55 – coping mechanisms and getting out of panic attacks? I- *heart shatters*

34:39 – NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

34:58 – What has he done? What has he done, Sam? What have YOU done? If you let Tommy kill the fucker, he wouldn’t have killed Ghostbur in front of everyone just as the lava curtain started falling! I know it’s a terrible idea to mess with the prison in the first place but he was SO CLOSE!! WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!

37:21 – “I’m not corrupt, Tommy!” SAYS THE MAN WHO IS AN ACCOMPLICE IN ACTION FOR TORTURE!! I HATE DREAM JUST AS MUCH AS EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ESTABLISTMENT DOES BUT STILL

37:51 – “the only reason you’re not dead is...” is because you want to protect him, I know, it breaks our hearts, but GHOSTBUR QUITE LITERALLY GOT MURDERED BACK THERE, THAT’S TWO PEOPLE THAT DIED IN THE JAIL ALREADY... THREE IF YOU COUNT PONK AND HIS ARM INCIDENT

38:37 – oh no... what is he going to tell friend? that his owner is dead? as he waits in the nether? TT-TT

38:58 – “you can blame me all you want, you did this.” SAM PLEASE STOP

39:15 – “every single problem in this prison is caused by you” WHAT THE FUCK SAM... TOMMY DIDN’T SET OFF THE TNT THE LAST TIME HE VISITED, YOU STUPID FUCKHEAD, HOW ARE YOU BLAMING HIM?? WHAT THE HELL...

39:28 – “you’re the greatest security risk” DUDE YOU SAW HIM WITH AN AXE, YOU KNEW WHAT DREAM DID TO HIM IN EXILE MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE KNOWS, DID YOU THINK HE WAS SERIOUSLY GOING IN TO BREAK DREAM OUT?? LOGIK???????????/

40:41 – if I check the wiki and don’t see their relationship status as a smacking negative, I’m firing whoever’s in charge of the editing and I’ll change the status myself... also SAM WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU THINK HE WAS THERE TO BREAK DREAM OUT AND LET HIM ROAM FREE WHEN DREAM HURT HIM AND EVERYONE ELSE ON THE SERVER????????? WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF LOGIC IS THIS, DO YOU HAVE NO BRAIN CELLS????????? YOUR NEURONS ARE GODDAMN WHACK

41:19 – *sobs over friend* what is happening... what have they done? why? *cries even harder*

41:21 – “oh no...” i know, right............................. *cries even goddamn harder*

41:54 – “i think he’s dead.” “that’s not possible.” i don’t even know what to say ;-;

42:16 – oh shit....................................... dream brought the og wilbur back, I think... he couldn’t have revived ghostbur because he’s already dead..........

44:15 – at the brief glimpse of the tablist... wilbur’s face... it’s not grey... it’s in full colour... wilbur is back...

45:46 – take care of friend.... oh no.......... does wilbur get a redemption arc now? we kind of literally dragged a suicide victim out of the afterlife where he thought he belonged...........

46:08 – his distress................ i can see why the wham episode page on tv tropes is updated now............ because what the fuck happened

46:19 – guys, be careful of l’manhole.......

46:34 – there’s the shrine....... do we get to see quackity’s message?

47:05 – HOLY SHIT HE REALLY IS BACK

47:13 – HE HAS A WHITE STREAK, I REPEAT, HE HAS A WHITE STREAK FROM THE REVIVAL, EVERYONE STAY CALM, THE HEADCANON IS NOW CANON

47:36 – does he have a bandaged left arm? and a literal stab wound? is that from... the death?

47:44 – “who the fuck’s ‘friend’?” oh shit he doesn’t have ghostbur’s memories................

48:14 – “did i do that?” no, sir, it’s your dad, him and his cronies bombed the place to smithereens, even more than you did. he genuinely doesn’t have any memories from since he died, i think............

48:41 – he’s laughing at l’manhole................

49:10 – “I have spent... thirteen and a half years--” holy fuck this man isn’t dead, if he was right about dying at age 32, then now he would be... 45 and a half?? that’s almost as old as my parents, jesus christ almighty

50:07 – “this is my sunrise” the sun rises as he is brought back, what a dramatic bitch, i love him

50:48 – wilbur being back from the afterlife is oddly funny

51:27 – sir, you are kinda retrauming him

51:49 – “my personal limbo was a train platform, tommy” IS THIS A YCGMA REFERENCE?????? I HAVE SEEN. SO MANY. FANART. OF THAT. THAT I THINK HE SAW IT TOO AND MADE IT CANON. YCGMA IS CANON, EVERYONE STAY CALM

52:21 – “you got on a train and you left!” OAAHFASD;KFJALASSASDFJKL;S *SCREAMING INTENSIFIES*

52:50 – ghostbur................... *sobs*

53:00 – “it was dream” holy fucking shit.......... is that a metaphor for him being in control of life and death?

53:08 – he thinks of dream as his hero?! i understand why tommy is looking at him like that, what the legitimate fuckwit...

53:21 – while I’m happy he’s no longer suicidal, I am still genuinely concerned for this man.......... so concerned. so very fucking concerned. no wonder there were so many tv tropes updates. holy shit.

53:40 – whew, he knows what ghostbur knew.

54:39 – needless to say, I am SUPER DUPER VERY CONCERNED FOR REVIVEDBUR

54:50 – “oh fuck” is a fantastic way to put it... and what the fuck is the perfect summary for the stream, thanks