#gk 1x10

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MISHA COLLINS as HARVEY DENT in GOTHAM KNIGHTS | 1.10 Poison Pill

[jesterofalltrades]

Wait wait WAIT!!!! Steph didn’t feel right with kissing Brody and didn’t feel right with kissing Turner…. I mean that doesn’t have to mean gay but this is drama filled teen angst tv so this most certainly means GAY.

Hoist the flag! We have another one!

[atlas-assbutt]

Rebecca March dominates Lincoln and nobody can change my mind

[sweetcitrusboi]

Weeks ago when I was thinking bout how “wouldn’t it be so angsty if Rebecca really was just playing Harvey” and then I find out I’m right like wtf

[ave09]

confused and screwed

gk!harvey dent x wife!reader

note: takes place in 1x10, this is long overdue considering i didn’t know how to end it and i forgot what happens in the episode😭 i have two more harvey imagines coming today or tomorrow (one is a cute fluff and the other is based on 1x11 and i’m so sad about the finale next week!

you awoke to someone calling your name. “hello?? anyone there?? wake up sunshine!” 

you stirred, trying to focus on whoever was calling you, but receiving a harsh slap to your left cheek ended up doing the trick. 

jolting awake, you tried to figure out where you were. last you remembered, you were walking to your car, you felt a prick in your neck, and everything went black. 

now you were bound to a chair, heavy chains encircling your wrists. panic set in very quickly as you took in the situation. 

beside you, was your husband, harvey dent, wearing a straight jacket, it was a horrid sight. but what stood before you was much, much worse.

“hiya hon, you recognize me?”

you couldn’t believe it. “jane..?” 

“oh, so you do!?” 

you didn’t know her directly, but you knew of her and how harvey had been the one to put her in arkham asylum. “vaguely…” you replied slowly, glancing over at your husband with worried eyes.

beside jane stood a young girl, one who you recognized from the media, duela doe, one of the fugitives who was being framed for killing batman.

“harvey, what-what’s going on?”

“oh met me explain, dear.” you glanced at the woman before you, and there was no denying how afraid you were. she had  this crazed look in her eyes, she was in arkham for being insane, but being face to face with someone like her was terrifying. 

“well you see, i have a bit of a past with your sweet harvey here. turns out he’s got some very dirty laundry.” 

you tilted your head in confusion, eyes narrowing, “what are you talking about?”

“yeah… mom, i don’t really understand. i mean, i get it, he locked you up but i thought that was the extent of it.” duela said. 

at this, jane let out a guttural laugh, “oh my, duela, no. you see…” she took a moment to glance at you, “well, you pay attention to hon. you see, to make a very long story short… i fell for him.”

this confession shocked you.

you and harvey had been together since your sophomore year and his senior year of college. and yet, you’ve never heard of jane like this.

harvey wouldn’t cheat on you. 

you were sure of that.

“i fell for handsome, charming, insatiable, harvey dent.” 

“ew,” duela commented under her breath. but you, you didn’t know what to think. you were never the jealous type. but hearing someone like jane talk about  her husband in such a way, you were physically unable to not be jealous.

“he’d go around, telling everyone he didn’t know me! it was absolutely insane!”

“no, jane, we were not together.” 

“oh please, harvey, i haven’t even gotten to the best part!” jane exclaimed, her voice jumping up octaves. 

“jane, you were obsessed. you sent my secretary a cow tongue! you were delusional!” harvey protested, glancing over at you, he needed you to know that nothing happened.

he needed you to know that he loved you, that he’d never have an affair, not with jane doe of all people.

“let me continue, listen up for this part, mrs. dent, you remember those late nights? where harvey here was out at the office…?” 

slowly, you nodded. afraid that if she didn’t show some form of response, jane would flip.

“well guess what girlie? he wasn’t working nights… he was with me.”

you let out a shakey breath, “w-what..” 

“mhmmm, truth hurts, mrs. dent, but your lovely fiancé was ignoring me by day and fucking me senseless by night.” 

anger pulsed through your veins. you didn’t even know if this was factual, by just the thought of it. it was enough to drive you to the brink of madness. 

“you’re lying.” you spat. 

“oh am i? how would you feel if i told you, it wasn’t just one time. but dozens of times. almost as though he couldn’t get enough.”

duela stared at her mother in confusion, “wait, so.. you and harvey dent here… were a thing? he gaslighted you… into thinking you were crazy but still slept with you..?” 

“mhmm. a two-faced asshole! harvey dent, everyone! the most dangerous man in gotham!” 

“wait… you said my father was the most dangerous man in gotham.”

her father. duela doe was known as the joker’s daughter. 

“ah, well, surprise surprise, my dear, it’s time to meet your real father, harvey dent!”

time around you seemed to freeze completely as the words echoed throughout your mind.

no.

no.

this wasn’t possible.

you glanced over at your husband, who seemed just as surprised as you were. how had he not known? 

but then, you remembered. 

his psychological disorder. he struggled to control it during the time before jane’s sentence, just as he was struggling to control it now.

your harvey wasn’t in control during his time with jane. it was the other one.  

you were so engrossed with your thoughts, that you didn’t notice that jane had retrieved a small handgun from her purse, passing it to duela. 

“now, you can get your revenge. he kept us separated for years. make him pay for it.” 

panic seized you as you pulled against the restraints, “wait! no, don’t do this, please. we can explain!” 

but neither of them was having it.

“come on due, pull that trigger.”

“duela, let me explain please. it was a misunderstanding.”

“he stole your childhood, he stole me away! kill him duela!” 

“no! please!”

BAM! 

a scream tore from your throat as the gun fired, hitting harvey in the chest, throwing him back. 

“no!!” you exclaimed, tears streaming down your cheeks, you glanced at the mother-daughter duo, “what the fuck is wrong with you??” 

jane smirked, approaching you, “more like what the fuck is wrong with you? marrying a guy like that? shame on you.”

you choked back a sob, glancing at harvey’s dying body, “no..” 

“night-night sugar.” 

you felt pain explode in the back of your skull, then everything went black.

[dotthings]

Gotham Knights ep 1x10 "Poison Pill"

Maybe I could just sit here making flappy hand noises about Misha's portrayal of Harvey Dent. But I also do have some coherent toughts.

This ep was a wild ride. I'm enjoying the GK team relationship dynamics, and Misha's depiction of Harvey is absolutely superb.

With an extra big gift basket of thanks to writers Nicki Holcomb and Summer Plair

Harvey + alt Harvey (not Two Face yet)

“When we were kids, we used to talked to each other in our dreams. Meet in the middle, we called it” “you’re a sucker for the truth”

There's so much I like about this--it's like Alt Harvey is an imaginary friend. He comforted child Harvey. Protected child Harvey. But it took a pathological twist. Alt Harvey knows all about Harvey. And he knows how good Harvey prime is. He wants the truth. He's decent. Alt Harvey plays on that--he knew what buttons to push. Harvey's quest for justice, for truth, for fairness.

“Whenever it got too tough I’d tag in” “I do the things that you can’t do”

Alt Harvey is a facet of Harvey, it's a facet in humanity. Primal. Fight or fight. Survival. Kill or be killed. But with all the safeties and inhibitions off.

“You don’t want justice. You want to burn it all down”

Misha really broke out a bit of Batman gravel there, in the scene where alt Harvey strangles Harvey. Fits in with what I talked about in one of my early posts about GK. What Alt Harvey (Two Face) is for Harvey is a little bit what Batman is for Bruce. Two Face is Harvey's version of Batman, and with Batman dead, Harvey needs someone to fill the void Batman left. Batman represents the darker parts of Bruce's psyche, and is something to comfort that scared grieving little boy, the moment of trauma, to fix Gotham, try and prevent that trauma from happening to other families. So Bruce let the bat out. The difference is Bruce never lost himself. Bruce had nurturing parents and then he had Alfred guiding and protecting him.

Harvey loses himself entirely to it--his trauma is different than Bruce's. Bruce and Harvey are somewhat mirror images, them and their alter egos are flip sides of a similar coin. But different methods. Alt Harvey's path to justice is destructive. Batman's is different. He embraces violence, but he's not about burning it all down, he's about protecting and building. Embracing the darkness in order to hold back the darkness.

Harvey's the fire, Bruce is the night.

And so it was a gaslight routine from the Court. Not TF taking over and doing things...I kinda thought that would be the case. They're playing Harvey. Wanted to get one of the only decent leaders in Gotham out of the way. Harvey's a threat to the Court, the Court is a threat to Harvey. Harvey and alt Harvey have a common enemy.

Turner not buying the story the Court fed him about Bruce but afraid it’s true and then finding out it’s true is poignant. He sincerely was choosing to believe in Bruce, so extra ouch on finding out it might be after all. But we still don't know the whole story, what exactly happened. I was right Bruce blamed himself. But did he kill the Hayes'? Or did he fail to save them. Carrie confirms that in this continuity, it's following the core tenet of Batman. “Batman doesn’t kill, he told me that over and over” and “he felt responsible”--feeling responsible doesn't mean he murdered them.

The Row siblings, Turner and Duela, Carrie, Steph -- I really enjoyed how the personal dynamics there played out, and Duela calling Turner on his broody bs after we saw the entire team working to save him. It seems like there's still spots of distrust among them, but they keep becoming closer as a team family at the same time. Cullen wants to stay. To hold onto that family after their names are cleared...Harper says she wants to leave. (But does she really? I think she's miserable because she thinks her feelings for Steph can't possibly be requited--she may change her view of the overall group, once she and Steph find their way to each other).

The picture gets sharper and sharper doesn't it. Turner/Duela have an enjoyable dynamic as well.

So Rebecca is the femme fatale role. This is classic Hollywood noir. I wasn't all that shocked by it since I wondered if Rebecca would follow that archetype but holy crap I did not see it coming that she'd kill her own son.

Carrie telling her mom she's Robin!!!

Is Brody the next Talon, then?

[lilalbatross]

Right okay so I yelled about it a couple days ago but here’s some actual semi-coherent thoughts about AFC Richmond’s roster, positions, formations, etc.

I just want to say off the jump that the show is definitely playing fast and loose with the actual football, which makes sense cause it’s at the heart of the show but it’s definitely not the point of it. A lot of this info is cobbled together from background details like the whiteboards, lockers for certain names and numbers, and me just pausing and squinting at whoever seems to actually be on the field. A lot of this is open to interpretation, and I’m sure others will interpret differently

Having said all that, let’s get into it. Rest of the post is under the cut cause this will not be concise.

Let’s start with our roster. This includes every name I’ve caught from both seasons, hence why Roy and Jan Maas are both listed. 18 and 23 have also had multiple names with those numbers.

For roster purposes, pro teams list players as goalkeepers, defenders, midfielders, and forwards. I’ll do the same and add a fifth category I’m calling IDFK cause I haven’t been able to match a position to some of the background guys.

So here’s our starting point. I would expect the IDFK guys to be fairly evenly split among the positions (most rosters have about 4 GKs because the position is both crucial and dangerous, f in the chat for O’Brien’s butt).

You’ll notice that a lot of our prominent players are mids. This doesn’t really mean anything. I just think it’s neat. I’ll get into centre mids vs wings in a second, but for the most part those guys (Colin, Sam, Richard, Moe, Roy) are Richmond’s starting line in the midfield.

Now then. Let’s look at an actual formation. We’ll start with the first one I could find, which is 1x07’s formation.

The names being cut off are Canterbury next to Isaac, C. Hughes on left wing next to Rosenfeldt, and S. Obisanya perfectly hidden by Beard’s arm.

When describing a formation, you list it from defense to forward and don’t include the keeper cause they’re a given. Therefore, this formation is known as a 4-5-1. Alternatively, you can read the midfield a little differently to differentiate that Roy’s the lone defensive mid, and call this a 4-1-4-1. There’s nothing too out-there about this formation. Watford FC’s run a variation of it in the Premier League this season (scroll down a bit and hit the line-ups tab). You’ll see a formation like this at all levels, from kids to national teams, though it has fallen out of fashion in recent years.

This just a solid, balanced formation. The point of a formation like this is to control the midfield and cut off the other team’s passing lines, to make it harder for them to move the ball up to their strikers. Four defenders for a solid back line, with two centre backs to lock down the area in front of your box and cover for each other while supporting their fullbacks on the outside. One defensive mid (Roy) and two attacking mids to control the centre and build attacking opportunities, without leaving the defense totally in the lurch on a counterattack.

You’ll notice that Rojas is all by his lonesome as a solo striker. The risk with a formation like this is that the striker gets isolated if people aren’t pushing up on the attack, leaving the forward with nobody to create chances with or nobody to pull the other team’s defense away.

That’s why Sam and Colin are crucial in a formation like this. Those boys are gonna fucking run. In a 4-5-1, the wingers need to be making runs to support their striker, put pressure on the defense, and try to create openings to score. They also need to make sure they’re coming back to help defend, otherwise the other team’s going to walk right up their open wing. Colin and Sam’s game would be 90 minutes of wind sprints. I’ve played a little bit of wing in a formation like this. Your legs are jelly by the end.

Now then, next one. This is from 1x10 vs Man City, and we actually get both teams’ formations this time. (Brendan Hunt I swear to god I need you to give me a board like this every time please I’m begging)

This will look pretty similar to the 4-5-1. This is a 4-2-3-1, and it’s a very popular formation. Here’s Man United running it this season, and if you flip through other games you’ll find a lot more examples.

A 4-2-3-1 runs two defensive mids and one attacking mid, opposite of the 4-5-1. The wingers play a little higher to support the striker, and the attacking mid (Bumbercatch here) is intended to be a bit of a playmaker. The defensive mids reinforce the D. You play this formation when you need a solid defense and expect to get most of your chances on counterattacks. Because you have 3 mids playing a little higher, the transition to offense can be quick if you can get the ball out of your end. One of the weaknesses can be the gap that develops in the midfield, so you need your defensive mids to push up and close this space. I see that as a potential reason why they’ve moved Colin in from the wing.

In terms of the actual roster, Dixon’s off the injured list from 1x07 and in for Goodman, and Winchester’s in for Reynolds. Richard’s on the left wing for Colin, who becomes one of our two defensive mids along with Shannon, and then Moe as attacking mid. Rosenfeldt and of course Roy are sitting (Roy subs in for Shannon at half).

I think they’re running a 4-2-3-1 both as an answer to what they expect from Man City, but also to compensate for sitting Roy. In 1x01, Beard calls Roy a box-to-box midfielder. What he means is that Roy is a solid all-arounder. He’s a force on the attack alongside the strikers, but he also comes back deep to support the D and make things difficult for the other team. He’s a workhorse of a player, so pulling him might require a more defensive shift to compensate.

As an aside, this is the match where Ted asks the linesman to explain the offside rules after a Richmond player gets called offside. It’s specifically Winchester who gets called offside. Look at the formation. My man is a centre back with Isaac. What the cinnamon toast fuck was he doing all the way up there. This is what I mean when I say they’re playing fast and loose with some of the football aspects. For Winchester to be offside, he must be so absurdly out of position that it would make more sense for him to be playing defense for the other team. (I think this is mostly a writing oversight and they should have just used another name in the line but still very funny to me)

I also just want to quickly point out Man City’s formation. They’re running a 4-3-3. Jamie has a few lines where he mentions a manager named “Pep” at Man City. He’s talking about Pep Guardiola, the real-life manager of Man City. The 4-3-3 is a go-to for him. If you catch a Man City game this season, this is most likely what you’re gonna see. This formation is versatile and aggressive (particularly on counterattacks). It’s about holding possession, with the mids moving as a unit to set up series of short passes that open holes in the other team’s defense. If the mids are coordinated, this becomes a very defensively solid formation with lots of attacking power. Don’t think of a 4-3-3 as two wings and a centre mid, because that isn’t what it is at all.

Now then, on to season 2. First, I can’t find any FUCKING WHITEBOARDS. First one I found is in 2x08 (hey again Man City), and even then, it’s a play diagram rather than an actual roster. Anyway, here you go.

Now that we’ve reunited the two aces, we’re switching things up a bit. This looks like another 4-2-3-1 but it’s actually a messily drawn 4-4-2. They run the exact same formation for the False Nine in 2x12 (you get glimpses at halftime) but every screenshot I could get was ass so we’re gonna use this one instead. Colin and Richard have swapped again (Colin’s on the left in every formation this is why I say he’s left-footed), and Jamie’s up front with Dani. We have a pair of centre mids, rather than a trio of attacking/defensive mids like the other formations. I also finally got my confirmation that Jan Maas is a centre back! Couldn’t figure out if he was that or centre mid cause the game scenes are shot cinematographically rather than for any sort of…football comprehension.

This is specifically a flat 4-4-2 (vs the 4-4-2 diamond Roy wants to run with his girls team). It’s a versatile formation that trades a bit of defensive power for a stronger attack (Southampton’s running it this season if you wanna see it in action). Compared to a 4-2-3-1 they ran in 1x10, the 4-4-2 puts more pressure on the centre backs because they don’t have that pair of defensive mids supporting them. Jan and Isaac have to be physical and on it at all times to call out holes and get their teammates to fill the gaps. But you have the advantage of a pair of strikers who can play off each other and work in tandem, with Sam and Colin forcing defenders to come wide to cover them on the wings.

I think this is a spectacularly bad choice against Man City’s 4-3-3. Because the mids in a 4-3-3 work as a unit, Moe and Richard are always going to be outnumbered 3-2 in the middle of the field. Man City will have an easier time controlling the centre and holding possession because a Richmond player will have to come out of position to mark the extra man. Obviously Richmond primarily got their asses kicked for story reasons but uh…yeah I think they got their asses kicked for coaching reasons too.

Okay I’m coming up on 2000 words so I should probably stop now. I didn’t really get into the specifics of individual players. I can try to come up with something coherent for some of them, but there isn’t much to go on even more prominent players like Moe and Richard.

Anyways, I hope this was helpful and not endlessly boring. And please for the love of god let me know if you’re able to snag a clear look at a whiteboard I didn’t catch. I’m dying out here, man.

[jesterofalltrades]

So Lincoln brought Brody back to life. I wonder what this is gonna mean and cause

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Wait, Harvey, wouldn’t it be better to do this at home so that no one will actually see you nearly overdose?

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I love Duela, when she doesn’t like you she won’t give you two cents but when she likes you, she shows it and it’s so sweet

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Steph I don’t think you need to tell Brody all you know about the court of owls, it won’t end well

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Duela is a gift, Duela is an Angel. We don’t deserve her, Turner doesn’t deserve, the rest of the team doesn’t deserve her.

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Carries mom needs a fucking metal she deserves a metal, her on national holiday, and a parade

[jesterofalltrades]

So the police finds them right after Steph has a long talk with Brody…. But also didn’t Lincoln say something earlier about being able to track the gang?

So my guest is that it’s Lincoln’s doing but Brody and Steph are gonna get the blame

[jesterofalltrades]

Harper is mean when she has a crush on someone

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Okay but how did the court found out about bad Harv?

What if bad Harv took control, tipped off the court, got the court to do all its thing just to gain control over Harvey again?