#imo antis think wrong things are wrong because they're wrong and therefore are always wrong

[fussystreetlight]

I know antis like throwing the term logical fallacy around, but as someone who had to take a philosophy class, antis would have an aneurysm in that class.

One time we had a discussion about incest. The professor asked us why it was wrong. When we responded it was because of inbreeding and that a child would be hurt, he asked us "what if the couple couldn't have kids?". That was how the class went. We'd come up with a reason and he'd ask us to think about if that context was removed and whether or not we'd still react the same without that context.

He wanted to teach us to think about why things are right or and wrong and what effect context would have on our morals and perceptions. Because things aren't wrong because they're wrong, and we're not born knowing right from wrong even if we do have enough empathy to not want to hurt someone.

I think classes like this are useful for teaching critical thinking skills, but from what I've seen of antis, they'd probably freak out over someone talking about bad things in even the slightest positive light...

[satanfemme]

hello you are really funny and have good takes and I have a puppy crush on you??? can you please tell me more about your visual novel :) what is your favorite page you've drawn so far?

hehe thank u :3c this is so flattering!

since u didn't specify what u want to hear about my visual novel, I'm just gonna ramble about what's on my mind with it if that's ok :-) (and I'll share my fav pages at the end ofc)

first random thought: the novel presents the character Case as the narrator/protagonist, but I think the secret real protagonist is Dane. case is in charge for the first chapter & most of the second chapter, but in the second chapter there's a turning point where dane becomes the center of the narrative (even as the story is still told from case's POV). I think this is fun. dane is the best character, and that's an objective fact.

second random thought: this is subject to change as I continue working and drawing from different sources, but right now some of the media that's inspiring my vn are: psycholonials, echo vn, the last house on dead end street, nekromantik, interview with the vampire (tv), hardcoded, midori, homestuck, fight club (book), and hellraiser.

third random thought: I think a big thing I'm worried about is the story (once it's finished) being misinterpreted. if it gets downloaded by Anyone who isn't one of my immediate friends/followers, I think there's a good chance someone's gonna miss the point or get "the wrong thing" out of it, as is the inherent nature of art. and I try to find peace with this, especially since it'll still be many months At Least before it'll be ready for release (if not longer considering I keep bouncing between different projects). but it's a story about a violent and unhealthy sexual lesbian relationship. + it deals with themes of kink, depression/mental health, transphobia, misogyny, and people living on the fringes of society. these are all themes that interest me, especially in horror, but they're also very prone to sparking backlash especially when coming from a smaller creator. or if not backlash, then the themes being flattened by the force of fandom culture. I spend a lot of time thinking about hypothetical outcomes like "what if I get called out for romanticizing transphobia, because I depict a character experiencing it" or "what if people ship case and dane (<-something that would be fine on it's own fwiw) so hard that they ignore the messier and more thematically relevant aspects of their relationship". or omg I Especially worry about "what if people see a depiction of a realistically messy kink relationship, decide it's wholly bad and evil, and therefor determine the story must be anti-kink or bad kink representation or something".

it's funny that these are the things I worry about actually, because irl I'm always watching horror that's way less sensitive or good-intentioned than my work is, and I'm always finding things to enjoy about it anyway (or often Because of the way it is - sorry for finding the horror genre interesting, flaws and all! as if it's my fault). like really and truly the internet is just a moral OCD generator. and it's my awareness of that that's pushing me to keep working on my visual novel despite my fears <3

also the most realistic outcome continues to be "like 5-10 people download it, only half of them finish it, and they just think it's like.... weird but alright".

as for my favorite page so far, it'd be one of these:

(cw for a guro image under the cut!!)

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(the second image is censored for tumblr. & I'm hoping what's still visible doesn't get me in trouble.)

this first image is my fav cause case is both scary and kinda hot... and I'm into that. I'm not a masochist but I'd let her tie me up and beat me with her crowbar at least once. whatever. this drawing isn't technically done yet but I just need to add more filters/effects to it basically.

this second image is my fav cause it's just really pretty to look at imo. I did a more painterly style with it (different pages have completely different art styles & I don't care) and In My Humble Opinion I think it captures a really nice balance between horror/disgust and eroticism, which is what I need it to do for the scene it's in. idk what other people see in it, especially in this post where it's removed from context lol oops, but whenever I look at it I simultaneously feel the emotions "wow this is so beautiful" and dread. which is great, that's such a good combo of emotions. I love dread!! give it up for dread!

[demonsfate]

This is kind of a Hot Take, but I don't care about Miguel, and I don't get why people (mainly on the tek subreddit) are fascinated by the idea of Miguel showing up to beat Jin. I stumbled upon ANOTHER post about this yesterday and saw people saying that they would love to see Miguel face the "villain turned messiah", as opposed to the other characters that supported Jin. Which is funny, because I don't think Miguel would last a fight against Jin in his current canon state. Also, this is a result of the horrible writing on 6 so not addressing the whole thing with Miguel's sister is mainly on the writers. Don't get me wrong, I think it's fine if there's a character that is against Jin and still can't forgive him. Tek8 didn't do a good job on addressing the issues 6 left behind, (it was an "Okay" job tbh but anyway, I take it). Still can't help but think the "Miguel should come back to murder Jin now that he's happy" crowd is mostly made of Anti-Jin than Miguel stans

I'm always conflicted with Miguel lmao. The thing is... I do like his design a lot. In fact, outta all the Tek6 characters, he may have the best design. He's the one that I could see being in like the older games (Tek4 or older) than I did the other Tek6 designs. And I seem to have a thing to hot - headed characters lol. But like... obvs the main problem with him is his story. LIKE. It's hard to like a character whose story is perhaps the biggest insult to your favorite character.

I'm sorry, but other than Tek6 itself, Miguel's existence is the biggest insult to Jin's character. Like the whole purpose of Jin's character is that he was indeed the first Good Mishima (sorry fans who actually fell for the "ALL Mishimas are bad!! That's the point!!" Y'all just fell for the lazy and obviously inaccurate excuse they made to justify his sudden turn in Tek6.) Kazuya was created to be the anti-Ryu, to be an unconventional protagonist for a fighting game 'cos that hadn't happened yet. But after Kazuya was done with being the protagonist, they went on to give us one that was actually good, therefore to be different from Kazuya. They even said the point of Jin was that he was supposed to be Kazuya's OPPOSITE. A possibility of what Kazuya might've been had he been raised by somebody who loved him. The Tekken 4 endings even hammered in the idea that Jin woiuld never be like Kazuya and Heihachi. Because every one of the trio's endings were all set during the same time (Jin's kidnapping in Hon-Maru), however - both Heihachi and Kazuya would've ended with them killing everyone. It's only Jin's ending where nobody dies. This is because Jin will always be a better person than them. Anyway, my point I'm gonna make is that Tekken 6 ruined everything that Jin was supposed to be. And Miguel is, perhaps, one of the biggest insults by being a victim of Jin. Jin lost his family to a monster, in Miguel's story - Jin is the monster who took Miguel's family member. That is fucked up, and no, it's not poetic nor clever. It just further destroys Jin's character and everything that was good about him. Jin should've NEVER hurt anyone else in the way he's been hurt.

And yeah... I mean, Jin has defeated Gods, he's defeated Heihachi and Kazuya (defeating Kazuya TWICE now). Miguel... hasn't really reached any of those feats, and plus... there's nothing really special about Miguel. (He's no Mishima, he's no Kazama, he's no devil gene carrier). And like, people are just talking as if Miguel would ONLY be going against Jin alone somehow???? As if... y'know, Lars, Lee, Alisa, Leo, Eddy, Xiaoyu, or many of the OTHER allies would let that shit fly. If some RANDOM GUY tried to kill Jin, they're not.... they're not gonna let it happen lmao, they're gonna stop it. Like sorry, but with Jin having accomplished these incredible feats, and has a ton of powerful friends, I don't see how Miguel can even be seen as much of a threat lol.

Imo, Tekken 8 did a horrific job at addressing Tekken 6. They didn't even inform the player as to why Jin did the War in the first place (which was for complicated reasons, but supposedly "good" ones). They just had characters say "YOU KILLED THOUSANDS" and then Jin says "shut up!!! I feel bad about it so that's something!!!" And like... who's to say that Miguel would even hate Jin if he were in Tekken 8? I mean, think about it. In Tekken 7, Lars wanted to kill Jin. He only stopped the Narrator from brutally killing Jin with a screwdriver simply because they needed Jin, and that's it. Yet suddenly in TK8, Lars is pals with Jin, and might as well be his cheerleader. The thought of what Jin did to Alisa was enough to bring her to tears in TK7, yet in TK8... she's also buddies with him, now holding his hands and everything. Eddy acted like he wanted to oppose Jin in his TK6 ending, yet... that was retconned to have him be mad at G-Corp / Kazuya instead??? Hell, Lee KILLS Jin in his TK6 and Tag 2 endings!!!! Although they've never canonically interacted prior, Lee still hated Jin in the noncanon moments. Like I get they needed Jin, but them being buddies with him was never properly addressed either and just came from nowhere. So, who's the say they wouldn't do something similar with Miguel???? Like, Eddy, he suddenly decides to drop the Revenge Plot off screen because uhhh revenge darkens the soul and isn't worth it man!!!!

Honestly yeah. Jin seems to have a lot of haters. I mean, Hell, it's hard to even look at Jin posts without seeing someone hating him or joking about him being a war criminal. It's been a while since I used Reddit last but MY GOD, before TK8 came out, there were a PLETHORA of people who were saying Kazuya should be the True Good Guy, that Kazuya is in the right, that Kazuya has never done anything wrong, that they hope Jin is revealed to be the main bad guy and is killed by Kazuya in the end. And like, this isn't an opinion of only a few ppl. After the demo came out, there was legit a post that said Kazuya is only a bad guy because he has the devil gene that Jin hates and that post had almost 100 upvotes!!!! With people agreeing!!! Completely ignoring EVERYTHING Kazuya has done. Like I made a post in my drafts but deleted it 'cos I thought it sounded too emotional, but it was me pretty much saying that people hate Jin for things they praise other characters for. Or the things they hate him for, they ignore the same in other characters. (Seriously, what makes Kazuya worthy of redemption but not Jin?) It really does feel like that. I understand some people may find Jin boring due to his stoicism, or may be critical of him due to his inconsistent writing (and character assassination) but I wish people would just be frank about that instead of hating him for every small thing. So yeah, I do believe that a lot of the "we wanna see Jin get beaten to death by Miguel" crowd really are just Jin haters. They get fucking wild at times. It's quite exhausting.

[thedreadvampy]

These are all really good points and I kind of want to further clarify that the point in making should not be confused with 'No Asexuals Can Have Sex For Any Reason Ever' which I think. is often the underlying implication of critiques of the mainstreaming of the 'ace people can have sex with their partners too' framings.

To me, as someone with a complex relationship to sex who has both experienced rape and, separately, been a sex worker, the SWERF rhetoric that this is set in opposition to is one which frames sex as being of unique, kind of spiritual importance, and sex work as therefore separate and worse than any other kind of body work (eg manual labor could equally be said to be 'selling your body' so the way SWERFs exceptionalise sex work is by framing sex as something where consent has a higher level of importance than for anything else you do with your body. And from my perspective, the counterargument framing the pushback that says 'we can have sex without attraction' is kind of 'no, sex isn't uniquely important/traumatic/significant; if I can eg eat food I don't particularly like for a reason other than that I particularly want it, I can do the same with sex,' right? Like there are many complex reasons we do things and they're rarely as simple as THIS IS THE THING I WANT MOST IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW vs I DON'T WANT THIS DON'T MAKE ME.

so like. where I personally fall and the perspective in taking in the above posts is that. the anti-sex-work position that sex is uniquely significant/has an inherently higher boundary of consent is just flatly wrong. Sex is a thing you do with your body and your mind for any number of reasons, just like anything else. However, I don't think recognising that should lower the boundary of consent in terms of sex as much as it should raise the boundary of consent in other areas like. I think there's a serious trauma in being pressured to force yourself to have sex when you're not into it. I also think there's a serious trauma in being consistently pressured to force yourself into doing and pretending to enjoy, say, watching what your partner wants all the time because they might get sad/disappointed if you say 'i don't want to watch Rome can we play a video game instead?' like neither are Inherently Bad as a one-off decision you've made, but when there's a systemic expectation that you will always be led by what somebody else wants in a specific area and never be able to say without guilt 'I'm just not feeling it' that's a problem whether it's sex or something with way less social significance.

To me the difference is that sex has been so exceptionalised for so long that there just are more pressures to add to. If you say 'my partner wanted to watch Rome but I wasn't into it so I went into another room to play video games while they watched it' p much nobody will care, but if you say 'my partner wanted to have sex but I wasn't into it so I went into another room to play video games while they jacked off' people will have. Opinions about it. and people will treat it as a failure in yourself and a selfishness on your part that they wouldn't with other issues. and so my concern is that while the roots of saying 'ace people can do what they want with their bodies' are entirely fair and reasonable, the effect of it becoming a dominant narratives about ace/allo relationships that Ace People Can Still Fuck You is to add into this maelstrom of messaging that you should be led by your partner's wants not your own when it comes to sex which. is the Big Background Message and imo also sometimes feeds into these ideas about like Sex Is Something Allos Simply Cannot Live Without And That Need Must Be Served which is. a bad place to end up.

Like ok yeah I'm REALLY CONCERNED that a default argument send to have become 'well ace people can have sex with their partners if they want to! for the good of the relationship!' because whether you're ace or not you should Not Be Pressured To Be Ok With Sex just because you're worried about your partner wanting it. And like I'm saying this as a non-ace person who's had a really really bad time with pushing myself to Be Ok With Sex I didn't actually want so my partner wouldn't feel lonely/unwanted/unloved/upset/frustrated/angry. It can be traumatic in ways that aren't always immediately obvious, it can really erode your sense of your own wants and boundaries, and it should never be an expectation. Your lack of desire for sex should hold as much weight as their desire for it.

I'm not trying to police what anyone does with their own body. If this feels right for you that's your call to make. But it should very much not be the standard idea of how to resolve an issue of differing libidos/sexual interest.

Whether you're asexual/aspec, traumatised, have a difficult relationship with your body, tired, in pain or just Not Interested Today, if one partner wants sex and the other doesn't then the default assumption imo should always be You're Not Gonna Have Sex. Any time in a relationship tbh that one person wants to do something and another doesn't then the assumption should be it's not happening unless the person who doesn't want to decides they're down, and it's up to the person who does want to do something to deal with their own feelings about that - whether by doing it with someone else, doing it alone, finding an alternative that suits both of you or, long term, both people finding a partner whose needs are more compatible.

Like it's just, to me, a really dangerous precedent to set about any boundary in a relationship that one person should always push past their own wants to meet their partner's wants. and it's not about need, it's about want. Relationships are meant to make you happy. It isn't good to have a relationship where you're always feeling 'well, I can manage this' and not 'I am getting what I want'