#kinn apologist

[punkishms]

kinnporsche episode two. or kinn realizing he feels something for porsche.

[lafemmedarmitage]

I don't read kinnporsche tag since ep9 has been aired cuz writers ruined so much in order to add more drama and make a "wow" effect that I lost interest in the series very quickly. Surprisingly quickly, to be honest, considering my previous anticipation and awe. It's amazing how much you can ruin (logic, storytelling, ambiance) with only one episode. So I don't know what fandom's reacton was after ep9 but based on the experience after ep5 and ep7 I'm pretty sure everyone was angry at Kinn again (and Porsche was right, of course). I already said that, for me, Kinn did nothing wrong, except for this ridiculous flirt with Tawan at the beginning (logic bye). Same thing for ep10 - Kinn did nothing wrong, he was following his plan but Porsche decided to run away with Vegas (L.O.L.) so Kinn didn't have time to tell Porsche that. So how come that Kinn is a bad guy again? When will Porsche grow fucking up? When will they both start communicating? I have a feeling that we're going in circles. And no wonder they'll point guns at each other again, maybe not even once - considering their inability to freaking talk to each other, like properly (and not - "you don't trust me" - I'll kiss you in response cuz... yeah, why bother) and Porsche's dumb plans, it's a miracle they won't shoot each other. I haven't read the novel but pretty sure it will be Porsche again who'll be responsible for their next fight (but ofc everyone will blame Kinn, it's daily routine).

So yeah, now I'm disappointed in KinnPorsche and it's rather sad cuz first 8 episodes were such a roller-coaster, in a good way, that I didn't expect ep9 and 10 to be that illogical. I'm not even waiting for a pool scene now cuz it doesn't feel like their love confession anymore (as it was supposed to be). They have too many issues to resolve to talk about love. The only way I see this scene is in the finale, when Porsche finally admits all the things he did wrong and they both promise to start fucking communicating (that will never happen, ofc, but still, I guess this scene will be in ep14, not earlier). So, we'll see.

(the only thing I'm glad about though - Kinn told Porsche to apologize, like WOW! YEAH! FINALLY! ofc Porsche decided that hell no, he's too good to apologize (he really doesn't see what he did wrong, does he?), but Kinn, my baby, finally you stand up for yourself).

[kinnporsche007]

Soooo Kinn’s going through the same things he did with Tawan?

My man can’t catch a break and fall for someone right can he now?

A lover going through his back with his no1 enemy, the very same guy Kinn catch Porsche kissing couple episodes ago. Same lover trying to mess with main family, just like Vegas would like.

Yeah Porsche you’re drawing such a good image for yourself. I honestly don’t want KP to end up together after this. Kinn shouldn’t accept someone who would do these things to him and to his family.

[alltomevibes]

can't wait to block the "kinn anakinn is an asshole" tag on ao3 MUAH HA HA HA

[dramaism]

— kinn, darling, you should just stick to one thing

[cuteandtwisted]

Porsche TRUSTS Kinn

He trusts him so much. That’s the whole POINT.

Yes, Porsche doesn’t share the picture with Kinn right away. 

But he tries and he almost does. When Kinn asks him the first time what's been bothering him, Porsche almost starts sharing with him, almost opens up to him.

But then they get interrupted by Chan. A bitter reminder that Kinn still is and always will be expected to run to his father’s side. 

And it doesn’t stop there. When Porsche asks what the meeting with Korn was about, Kinn just says “Just general work stuff”. 

Kinn, of course, didn’t share what they talked about because he wants to surprise Porsche with travels. But Porsche interprets that as still being on the outside. 

No matter how close he gets to Kinn, he’s still in the dark on family matters.

This looms over Porsche’s head the entire time. He’s conflicted. Keeping secrets from Kinn is tearing him apart, because Kinn is so loving and so uncompromising. But sharing this with Kinn has the potential to ruin everything.

And it’s all confirmed in that scene at the graveyard with Porsche’s deceased parents.

Kinn TRUSTS PORSCHE TRULY AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

But that’s not all.

Kinn, at this point, would and will do anything for Porsche. 

Anything. 

Nothing could ever make him let go of Porsche’s hand. Not the mafia. Not the main family. Not the minor family. Not Korn. Not the ring. Not anything. 

Porsche has become the reason he keeps going. The reason he “puts up with this life”. Porsche has made his hellish life feel not only bearable, but loving and worth living.

Kinn would burn the WHOLE WORLD to the ground FOR Porsche. 

And Porsche realizes that.

He realizes that Kinn would throw away everything if it means he gets to keep holding Porsche’s hand.

Everything.

So Porsche leaves.

He leaves because he loves Kinn. Because he trusts Kinn.

Because he trusts Kinn to set fire to everything that’s ever mattered to him and the main family, if Porsche so much as asks. 

Because he loves Kinn too much to let him do just that. 

Because while burning the world to the ground might get Porsche his answers and avenge his parents, it might also leave Kinn with nothing but ashes to his name.

Porsche trusts Kinn. 

He just doesn’t trust that Kinn won’t self-destruct in his quest to keep holding his hand. 

[freensrcha]

Mile Phakpum as KINN & Apo Nattawin as PORSCHE | KINNPORSCHE THE SERIES LA FORTE

[atlasshrugd]

hear me out. everyone is saying that porsche didn’t tell kinn bc he doesn’t trust him. but it’s not bc he doesn’t trust kinn - he didn’t want to put him in that situation of having to choose between porsche and his father. especially when porsche didn’t have all the facts yet. so he had to find real facts with the help of someone who hasn’t/can’t be bought by the main family (bc he knows how well the main family lies/twists the truth).

he said in his note to kinn “I just need to find an answer for something. I will come home soon” or sumn, which means he just wanted to collect the truth to be sure he wasn’t going to cause the family to break for no reason. and then come back to kinn once he knows the truth. but bc he was seen with vegas, it looks bad as an outsider.

not to mention - if he had told kinn, chances are he would confront his father, so porsche couldn’t do his own investigation under the radar, without korn knowing and hiding info. aside from all this, porsche has the right to figure out the truth about his family’s murder in his own way. by not telling anyone he took out all the variables that could get in the way of finding out the truth. he wasn’t there to play. and once he found out the truth, he was going to take those findings back to kinn bc now there is a reason to act. (obvi, he didn’t count on korn being his uncle lol.)

and yes - I am disappointed, too. bc last ep they said “no more secrets” and “let’s start over.” which seems to be the main issue ppl have. I agree this makes it a bit redundant. but porsche made that promise before knowing that the entirety of kinn’s family was lying about porsche’s parents death. and he had to find out the truth no matter the cost, and spare kinn’s involvement so he wouldn’t a) cause discord in the family, creating a weakness that can then lead to uprising, b) let korn know that porsche was onto him, and c) put kinn in the dire position of having to lie and betray his father, and all the consequences that would follow from that.

[respectthepetty]

New Member of Kinn Apologist Alliance

We have a very special guest at this meeting, who, honestly, shocked all of us when he joined in the eleventh hour, but he really proved himself today by defending Kinn not once, but twice, and by not co-signing any negative statements about Kinn. Please welcome with open arms Kinn's cousin and former competition, Vegas Theerapanyakul!

We appreciate your hard work this episode and are thrilled to have you in the group.

You can collect your membership card and button when you return to the main house next episode to help Pete Kinn.

[eliazine]

Diving into trying to understand the level of Kinn's agency and Korn manipulation.

Third part of my reaction to @dancinbutterfly meta. (done for now ^^)

"The nuance, in this case is that Korn went at Kinn in a very specific way that in my opinion was different than the way it was largely applied to the greater staff. The word I am looking for here is finesse. Korn applied the BITE model with a maestro’s finesse."

As OP clearly demonstrates the major family definitly applies the BITE model to control its staff but I'm not so sure it does apply to Korn's own sons ? and if so how ? I need to ponder on this more.

Edit : on my nth re-read of the original meta, I finally shamefully noted that the emphasis made on the BITE checklist were on the criterias applied to Kinn and not to the staff as I understood it until then. And it is very clear and informative on the staff front but for Kinn, I'm less sure. OP would love to see more of your thoughts on the matter ! (a note to say that these posts are not there to contradict or correct you but just to help me formalize my understanding so I can make up my mind about it all)

So did Korn manipulate Kinn ? (well yes that is kind of his MO but I mean it in a self-serving/sacrificing Kinn to his own cause way)

Korn must also have been groomed by his father in becoming a successfull mafioso, one able to survive, thrive and even relish victory in this cut-throat environment, but I wouldn't define him as trapped by his upbringing (even if he may have his fair share of trauma based on what Gun infered about their "papa" ?).

Taking for granted that they have no moral dilemma regarding the Mafia, for him how would manipulatingly grooming differs from genuiningly teaching his child the skills he deems necessary to succeed in his foreseen carreer ?

Be it for his machiavelic needs or not, it seems telling that he is loved, trusted and seemingly not feared by his sons, most clearly by Kinn and Tankhun. They look to him for guidance, are open to him about their thoughts and feelings and he does seems to adapt his strategy to accommodate them. As an exemple, Kinn reveals his love for Porsche knowing it went against his father (anti)romantic advices but without looking even the least bit worried that it wouldn't be accepted

Do people feels that safe toward a cult leader manipulating them ? Don't they have a feeling even if they love him that they are not allowed to go astray ? I don't know, it may be the sign of a really skilled manipulator.

The only trouble seems that Korn has squeletons in the closet that wouldn't be a problem (well for their particular kind of moral compas) if Kinn was in love with anyone else. And I can see how he would want to avoid the problem by burying them and writing his own version of history.

On the other hand, I can see :

- the attitude of Kim hints at something more for now without explaining why. Kim is noisy but at the same time he doesn't seems to fear Korn (see, their conversation when Kim comes to sneak around but doesn't hesitate to question him openly about Big and Porsche ep5).

- There is also this major/minor dynamic that Kinn has been taught to be necessary because competition makes us stronger (what about now then ? was the lesson considered learned ?)

- The soldier child aspect that the boys were all trained to be killers (could it have been seen as necessary after Tankhun kidnapping ?)

- The singing competition interference (a blow for Kinn ego but well that's what money is for and seeing the way they interract it doesn't seems to be part of a greater list of stabs ? Kinn self confidence seems well established and indeed it needs to be for him to be a good heir)

So, am I missing something ? am I minimizing patterns of abuse ? Would love to be proven wrong and learn from it.

It makes me wonder about real cult heirs, are they really trapped themselves ? What would be the difference between a genuine cult leader and a trapped one not realising he is ? Does it matters ? why so or why not ?

In a more mundane way, I chose my career as a student based on my interest and validated my choice knowingly as an adult because I do like it. It is a path that aligns with what my family hoped for me. Not out of interest for themselves but because that was the way they thought would bring me happiness (understand : a job that is at least safe, stable and reasonnably paid). Was I manipulated in perceiving happiness this way ?

I guess the difference would be in wether or not my family would have respected my choice had it been different (allowing for some back and forth at first as they learn, adapt to the different way of seeing things that my choice may entails and reassure themselves that I will be fine. luckily for me, they did in other area of my life which makes me confident they would have).

So going back to Korn, I'm not sure I would call him manipulative toward his son and not accept at face value that he just tried to pass on the lessons he himself applied in his life (the rusty knife metaphor may have been genuinely given ?).

So the question would be, how would he react to Kinn leaving the mafia behind ? Would he try to break him into staying or would he stay emotionnaly calm, accept that Kinn's life isn't going that way, making him the wrong person for the role and find himself a willing and so more suitable heir (he may have to look for someone out of the biological family but considering the orientation of all his sons and nephews, letting go of the idea of blood dynasty seems to have been accepted some times ago)

[punkishms]

'Cause all I need Is the love you breathe Put your lips on me and I can live underwater

[lafemmedarmitage]

Don't you dare now justify Porsche's actions after all this shit that has been poured on Kinn after ep.9&10. Don't you fucking dare.

[kinnporsche007]

What if Porsche didn't make it in time to save Kinn? What if they all still ended up in the room where Korn hid Porsche's mom. What if Porsche didn't save the day in ep14 and Kinn was shot in the head, and he ended up losing his memories?

What if?

[deepdiveintomadness]

Some thoughts about Tankhun and Kinn and how fans typically perceive them.

Tankhun's definitely smart, and is canonically underestimated because of his trauma. He's had his moments, being the "rightful voice that makes the best suggestions and solutions" when shit hits the fan. That said, I feel like fans also forget that (compared to Kinn and Korn who are bound by their positions and expectations of civility) Tankhun is generally more free to express himself how he sees fit.

A lot of people gripe on Kinn especially for not speaking up as much as Tankhun, but they're coming from different places. Kinn carries a lot of burden as Korn's heir, someone who holds a lot of power, yes, but also someone who is still heavily influenced by his father. You can see that Kinn the mafia leader is someone shaped to act like Korn. Generally a bit more calculating and a lot less likely to allow strong emotions to visibly take hold. Tankhun's the opposite, he can be dubbed by the fandom as a voice-of-reason because he has the capability to step out and do so.

We slowly see Kinn grow out of this mold and become his own, stepping away from his father's overbearing influence, and I think that's commendable. A lot of people call Kinn weak, saying he can't be a mafia leader, but I actually think Kinn and his ability to care and connect with the people who work for him (and his overall more soft form of leadership in contrast to Korn) lends him credibility as a leader. It builds and fosters loyalty. An aggressive hand and threatening tactics can only take you so far. Tankhun would definitely not be a better leader, but he'd make an amazing adviser to leader Kinn. Kim could arguably be a more suited leader but he's clearly not interested. Kinn is also a reluctant leader but he stepped up and did his best, unlike Kim who decided to distance himself.

ACTUALLY, personally think the main Theerapanyakul siblings would be unstoppable if they work together. BOC pls just give us Khun-Kinn-Kim scenes already.

[simplerainbow]

I hope this doesn't come off rude or argumentative but I have several counterpoints to a post in particular.

The minor family is also incredibly wealthy more than likely not as wealthy as the Major clan. But when the time comes to eat the rich I call dibs on Vegas. They're homes are done in considerably different modern vs traditional styles but the Minor family home is gigantic and they have two one them

Being nice doesn't make you kind. Although I will agree I don't think everyone in the minor family is secretly afraid of Vegas. I do believe that he's nice in a normal sense. Why would you be unnecessarily horrible to the hundreds of people who are meant to protect you ? Porsche is seen being treated cruelly but only a small handful of times of which Kinn has apologized and been forgiven for(incidents that are brought on by Vegas and Kinns father) Everyone else seems well fed and well taken care of and loyal(Big is very loyal to Kinn Pete is as well(in the novel even it's said that the major family sends funds and things to the village Pete grew up in)

We have no backstory officially on everybody guard so I think just because one set of people are wearing a suit and the other is dressed casually would automatically mean the the other is lacking in skill. I'm sure that Vegas has plenty of professionals all throughout he's people.

A concept that bothers me intensely. A job is not bad because it isn't a found family. There nothing wrong with Kinn treating employees like employees. But on top of this fact Kinn was said to be a lot more open and caring before the Taiwan incident,he calls Pete's grandmother personally, he's seen in the final conflict protecting and mourning bodyguards, Tankhun was intensely upset upon finding out Pete was missing. Plus everyone has been clubbing together more than once all the bodyguards are so silly and unserious a lot of the time just does not speak to a set of people being oppressed

I adore the relationship between Vegas and Macau I do believe they are very close. I think due to certain circumstances the Major family brothers are not as close but not because of lack of love. Kinn seems at times sad about the responsibility that been dumped on him but not resentful towards Tankhun,kinn being the first person to get a call when Kim needs help, Tankhun even asks Kim if he'll be staying with them in the house showing that he'd like for he's brother to be there. Kim doesn't want to be in the family buisness, Tankhun is mentally unable to, and Kinn is pretty much running everything on he's own and that can strain a relationship(I also Imagine the varying opinions of their father might also factor in)

I guess my conclusion is I think everything could be considered in a more black and white nuisanced light and also I hope this isn't considered like idk hater nonsense(and I do kinda of think Vegas was hamming it up at the minor family compound a little bit in order to entice Porsche)

[cuteandtwisted]

Unpopular opinion but I kind of don’t want the “pool scene” in the next episode. I need Kinn TO GROVEL LONGER.

He doesn’t get to have Porsche in a pool right now sorry