#lanque discourse

[velvetvexations]

Yo, if you wanna talk about stupid Homestuck discourse between trfs, you should see how the fandom reacted to Lanque, the canon transmasc troll. I saw so many bad takes like saying he can’t actually be a trans guy cause he doesn’t have top surgery scars and he’s too much of a guy, they called him predatory and shit cause he did party drugs and wanted to fuck the player character even tho he respected boundaries and consent the entire time and never forced anything on you, only offered. And don’t get me started on how he got leaked and everyone thought he was a butch lesbian and it was somehow the devs’ fault they all misgendered him initially. Personally, he’s officially my favorite canon trans guy character as a trans man. He defies all stereotypes while also just being a cool as fuck character. Also his whole thing about wanting to escape his fate predestined by his blood caste is very fitting for a trans character. All trans guy characters now must meet the higher bar that’s been set.

he sounds rad tbh

[beforus-for-real-justice]

< you guys just make up discourse at this point. do a poll on which mod should be voted off >

Yknow what. Fuck it.

[autisticsupervillain]

Lanque discourse is gross across the board tbh. At least Charun and Cirava are broadly spared from it.

Imma be real with y’all but personally I find the trans Vriska head canon a bit offensive? Not super offensive but just, yikes y’all

(I’m a trans woman btw in case you didn’t know, just throwing that out there before peeps accuse me of anything)

Vriska being trans suddenly has her doing a lot of offensive seriotype stuff (“the compitent gal powerhouse must obviously be trans no other way”, being super impulsive, literally being a fairy!!! etc) AND like all of her trans coding was only from Pesterquest. Which while fun is non canon as frick yo.

That’s a big part of it to like being trans is a BIG part of a person’s character. You can’t just make them trans on a whim that shits gotta be in there from day one. The whole “and then I transitioned and that was that!” thing never happens shit bro this is a big part of a person!! And Vriska just don’t act like that. Not saying a trans character wears it on their sleeve per say but like it’s quite the life influencer.

(Tho admittedly this is me applying human society norms to troll society but then again since when do the writers take that into consideration)

But ye

Don’t retcon in trans just cause you thirst for trans characters, like fuckin make trans characters !!! I don’t want your “haha she was trans the whole time I swear!” JK Rowling fuckery I get being thirsty for trans reps, I am to, but this ain’t it chief. Vriska is cis boo hoo. Hell these peeps are writing homestuck2 just like??? Have trans peeps in that??? Trans peeps playing Sburb has so many ramifications like legit stop dwelling on characters that we already know all about and give me some actual trans characters !!!

If y’all want a trans icon like,,, Lanque is standing RIGHT over there, tho his route mocked y’all who be wanting to reduce trans peeps to “uwu pressoous bab who did no wrong uwu” so ye continue to sleep on him I guess !! He was a lot more popular before he route came out and it sickens me to the bone

[autisticrena]

it saddens me so much that Lanque's whole existence as a character in the Homestuck universe is tainted by discourse.

you're telling me that Hiveswap finally gave us a trans character who is an asshole™️ and whenever i try to find stuff related to him instead of finding awesome fanart and essays of people exploring transness in Alternia i find... *opens Tumblr*... discourse?? transphobia?? shame on you. shame on all of you.

[real-homestucks]

REAL HIVESWAPS???

[insidiousraccoon]

before yall all go crazy about it, dont stop remembering that no matter which Lanque you pick, both of them still rp with Wanshi

[rightcat-wrongcat]

Ok but like

The one(1) thing I will say about Lanque’s route from here on out(probably) is 

He’s VALID for yelling at Bronya.

Maybe not in the way he did.

But yelling at her? A b s o l u t e l y.

May I remind you.

Bronya calls. all. the jades of the cloister. Her girls. Her GIRLS.

I’m trans and I would yell at Bronya for calling me a girl, sweet as she is. 

[screaming-goblin]

hello tumblr, i have some hot takes™ on the Lanque discourse i’d like to point out! I think Lanque’s entire character is a satirical callout of the fandom and how it treats popular characters, Think about it, the character is either treated like a ‘uwu sweet prince with a flower crown’ or ‘sinful slut who doesn’t know when to stop’. like??? how have y’all not noticed this??? as soon as i read both of Lanques routed it was like “holy shit hiveswap really did that” and I love it tbh!! Also, y’all losing your goddamn minds over Lanque having candy red nails and a handkerchief to match???? y’all remember that bright red is a symbol of rebellion and worn to “Look cool”. So, I don’t think the red nails signify a moirail/mateslrite that Lanque has/had.

[trannycrowley-archive]

As someone with DID, I'm not sure I like the hc floating around that NSFW route Lanque is a headmate or something. It seems too much like a desperate attempt to go "oh no that nasty sexual guy isn't Lanque, he's just a headmate! No this couldn't possibly play into reinforcing the 'evil headmate' stereotype how could you say that"

It just reeks of transphobia and ableism, and it really hurts me, as a hypersexual trans man with DID. Just let trans men be sexual without blaming it on fucking mental illness.

[bramblepatch]

/steps up to the Discourse Podium and taps the mic

Lanque isn't remotely the first Alternian teen we've seen leverage sexual precociousness and emotional manipulation to control their peers, he's just slightly older and much better socialized than most of the others and therefore better at it. His behavior is destructive and predatory but also a predictable possible outcome of a society with no adult oversight of any kind and a strong awareness of looming inevitable mandatory sexual activity for the vast majority of the population.

In other words Lanque's behavior is a successful example of what Vriska was trying to do throughout much of Homestuck Act 5.

[caliginousdares]

Finally saw Lanque’s route!

I can see why everyone’s angry bc I’ve done a little reading around here and there. What I got from his character from the r18 route was kinda just “teen rebellion” if that makes sense??? He’s presumably going to be sent away to be a sheltered nun and just wants to live a little dangerously???

I’m not trying to justify his actions either. Everyone is rightfully upset. Im just curious about how this will play into things as far as hiveswap goes.

That’s just the vibe I was getting from the route. I think Lanque’s personality is a mix of both routes. Because I can’t picture a rude ass Lanque playing with Wanshi. I’d like to believe that there is more to his character than what we’ve seen so far. After all, act 2 is not out yet and we have yet to see everyone progress???

[eliviii]

I see y’all being angry abt Lanques route and I raise u this: I’m so fucking desperate for trans rep Idec. He doesn’t need to look the human equivalent of trans (honestly the whole concept of looking trans is kinda odd to me— does it really matter?? He’s an alien!) his routes are messes and he’s an ass but you know what???? It’s fuckinh satire. I’m still gonna sit here like “I would die for Lanque”

[michaelmilkers]

ok not to be homestuck on main but lanque is kind of putting a bad taste in my mouth, the actual shit that happens in his route completely aside bc tbh im pretending none of that happened

he has broad shoulders and a skinny waist which like, yeah sure, not all trans men look the same and some have natural body types like that, but he has fucking pecs. just straight up pecs and no visible scars AT ALL, double incision or otherwise.

ive seen people make the argument that some trans people start transitioning before puberty, i.e. there wouldnt be any breast growth, and while i really really wanna believe that bc i wanna have a great trans character it just doesnt add up here. alternia doesnt even have fucking doctors, let alone options for hormone therapy and/or blockers, so why the fuck does he have pecs??????

[adorkablepineapple]

STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTER

If y'all like a character that's problematic that is perfectly fine

It's a character from a tv show, a game, a movie WHATEVER

I've been on Tumblr for quite a while where the judgement of liking a problematic character was non existent. Y'all remember when the whole site was just obsessed with villains?

Basically what I'm trying to say if your fav is problematic it's aight. Just because someone else doesn't like your fav, that's fine. Who cares? it's YOUR favorite not thiers, not everyone's favorite, YOURS.

Also if a character is an asshole and you still like them it's okay

[trandom]

Here me out:

[prophetparadox]

Lanque’s Friendsim Route Opinions

Yeah, I guess I’m throwing my hat into this discourse. After playing through his route fully and looking at various opinions that are in his tag, I figured I should give myself a bit of time to let everything sink in and gather my thoughts.

Gonna make something clear though before I jump into this: my opinion on this subject does not have to do with him being trans. I’d feel the same way regardless if he were portrayed as cis or non-binary as his gender is not a personality trait. Him being trans is not relevant aside from one point that I’ll mention when I get to it. I also don’t want to speak too much about his portrayal in tandem with his status as a trans male, as I’m not trans myself and I don’t believe I have the right to talk about that subject. I’ve seen different opinions presented by those who are trans as well, so there’s clearly no consensus on this. I will say though: if his portrayal bothers you there’s still at least two (three? I haven’t finished the Soleil twins route yet but I’ve heard mentions that one of them uses male pronouns so yeah) trolls that are non-binary and I don’t like the idea that people seem to be forgetting Charun and Cirava’s existence. Now then, let’s get started.

I’ll admit, I’m someone who jumped on the Lanque train after his design was revealed. And I had worried that when his Friendsim came out that his personality would turn out to be one I didn’t like. However, I hadn’t expected, well, that. I won’t lie, playing through the adult route made me feel uncomfortable at many points. I’m not a fan of Lynera at all, but the things he said to her went too far in my opinion. The bad ending left a sour taste in my mouth for reasons I doubt I need to explain. And what Bronya said about his treatment of his matespirits leaves little to be desired. I had a feeling that his final portrayal was not going to be the best, but the final result was worse than I could have imagined.

Now I’m not someone who expected or wanted Lanque to be a soft pure uwu trans boy or anything like that. And while I will admit that the SFW route was the one I preferred, it’s because he was just more pleasant to interact with in that route. If I’m being honest, I had pictured him as being a melodramatic wannabe vampire type if anything else. The fact that there’s two different versions of Lanque depending on if you take the adult route or not and both of them give you good endings just makes things harder. Because even though it seems to be implied that the adult route is the “canon” version of him, there really isn’t a surefire way to tell. And I think that’s what bothers me the most.

Granted, I do think that his route was intended to break expectations. He certainly wouldn’t be the first Friendsim route to do that. Marvus, Mallek, and Karako come to mind specifically. Just because I don’t like the way his route was written doesn’t mean he’s a bad character. There are people who are upset because he isn’t the way they wanted him to act, there are people upset because he isn’t trans in the way they wanted him to be (it is pretty creepy that people wanted to see visible proof he was trans with his chest), there are people upset because of a lot of other reasons, but it does feel like a lot of it boils down to not meeting certain expectations that the fanbase had for him. And I think that was a mistake we all made. A number of characters didn’t turn out the way we expected, but Lanque in particular is raising a lot of ire. So many people wanted him to be a specific vision they had, and the route shot it all down because we had these ideas for months. The route pretty much told us we shouldn’t do that, so hopefully this won’t happen again with any future characters we see in Hiveswap. I may not like what Lanque’s personality ended up as or how his route played out, but I too judged him before I knew what he was like. I can’t just say it’s bad though because my expectations were shattered. I don’t like Lanque basically being Part 1 Dio Brando from JJBA, but that’s what he is and I guess I’m just not meant to like him.

I don’t really know where I’m going with this anymore, so I’m gonna stop here before I ramble too much. If you have any thoughts on this, feel free to discuss with me.