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[vivacissimx]

died 129 AC. reborn 2024. welcome back viserra & faline snow from ao3 love doesn't live here

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[vivacissimx]

The truth is this: any man would desire Viserra. The truth only Desmond knows is this: for the longest time, he didn’t.

for the desmond & viserra enjoyers!

wrote a quick 1k desmond manderly character study 🧜🏻‍♂️ takes place during his and viserra's offscreen affair in love doesn't live here chapter 13~

[vivacissimx]

This is going to sound stupid. But I want Vis to have triplets. All three girls (or maybe a boy). In my stupid mind, it's like 'she is going through that stress anyways, why not have just have multiples and be done with it', Ik terribly stupid.

Also you said in one of the earlier posts that Alysanne would have Dreamfyre, but I always thought since Vis believes the child won't survive she would keep an egg in the babes crib (and it hatches!!).

ALSO PLEASE SOME SORT OF SNIPPETS (if you can). I want to terribly know what Aly is like, what vis and baelon are like as parents to her, who the mystery child is, Aly's leaving the next, and soooo much more.

It's also very weird that this fic you wrote, snowballed into this whole AU world. There's even a website dedicated to your fic actually. I literally have dreams and headcanons and even daydream about it. And it isn't even canon.

LOL impeccable logic anon. viserra's three children: alysanne (derogatory), viserra jr., and a hypnotizing thunder cloud of pure malevolent chaos.

yes at the time all the targ babies would have had eggs in their cribs although the rate of hatching on those seems quite low/random, at least until rhaenyra's sons started putting up '97 Jordan numbers. so even if the egg didn't hatch & this was a bad omen, given that neither viserra nor baelon had an egg hatch in-cradle, they would probably not be too upset. baelon could additionally offer some comfort/perspective given his adult sons both claimed dragons later on as well.

also pardon did u say... website? do you mean... my own tumblr page??? this here blog is the only love doesn't live here shrine i am aware of 😭 regardless thank u so much for this message, means a lot to me as someone who also daydreams in this universe!!!!

[vivacissimx]

Babe please please start writing the second part of 'Love doesn't live here'. I miss Viserra and Baelon (and baby Aly). I miss Viserra x Baelon. Please please come back. I need something, anything 😫😭

(p.s.sorry if this sounds too rude or demanding, have a good day😚)

😭 I do appreciate how lovely & supportive people are with wanting part 2 (I wish I had the time and motivation to write it too!) but sometimes it makes me a bit anxious getting messages that seem as though readers are upset with the wait. It'd mean a lot to me if, when sending prodding messages, there was more focus on "well this is a part I'm particularly looking forward to" or "this is my brainrot" or just a question I can answer which may help me get into the flow. Perhaps a reference to a specific scene/dynamic in part 1 that you'd like to see more of/are curious about!

I hope you understand—and thank you for reading this fic & being so excited about it!!! That means a lot to me

[vivacissimx]

Hey hope your well.

I have some really stupid questions (absolutely understandable if you don't want to answer)

What would be some presents Baelon would gift Viserra? And vice versa, what would be some presents Viserra would gift Baelon?

What would other members of the family (Viserys, Aemma, Daemon, Alysanne, Jaehaerys) gift Viserra? And again vice versa, what would Viserra gift them? (Not like they need for much, they're king and queen and all)

Anyways thank you, stay safe, take care. Stay Hydrated.😘🫂

No such thing as stupid questions 🤺💢 huh okay let me think. I did kinda make Baelon the kind of person who enjoys giving physical gifts as a love language, which I don't believe isn't canon given that Daemon is bestowed dark sister while Baelon is alive—so presumably he gave up the sword such that his son could have it, perhaps even on the condition that Jaehaerys gift it to Daemon following his knighting. And i think this follows Baelon's consistent honoring of Alyssa as warrior by playing a part in such a public gesture towards their son Daemon (who HOTD was briefly correct about, Alyssa WOULD love Daemon best lol).

So in Love Doesn't Live Here he does give Viserra various things, first of all the theme of him always cutting her fruit, and then also he gives her various dragon-related accessories (arranges her saddle, whip, teaches her about riding). Then he also gives her jewelry, which is something Viserra likes, so he wants her to like his gifts & is trying to show her that he notices her preferences. Thoughtfulness yknow it's drawn from how he tells Alyssa she's braver than him, he's not shy to involve himself in "women's business" when said woman is one he loves. Long-winded but anyway that's to say: I think Baelon would give Viserra gifts according to her interests. Jewels, arranging entertainment shows of dancing & music, when they have a daughter he'd spoil her too & this would be a method of loving/honoring Viserra as the child's mother.

For Viserra gifting Baelon... I do think she is like a "vain" person but also a "I take care of my people" person. So Baelon would be one of those husbands who has not chosen a single shirt for himself in years LOL just my wife dresses me and he looks good, you know? Various sporty objects like jeweled daggers and the biggest sexiest horse. This is not technically a gift but I also feel like she'd be one of those people who is all over their partner in public like LOOK HOW HOT AND DESIRABLE MY MAN IS!!! it's so cringe but she's a show-off and Baelon is obviously not a guy who minds. He's secure so he's fine with playing these kinds of love games in public.

Viserys is a dumbass, he's canonically a gift giver but for Viserra he'd just co-sign whatever Aemma gives Viserra & Aemma I think would value gifting her aunt things that she finds interesting but are not appreciated by the general court. So maybe textiles and what not out of the Vale, as LDLH!Aemma is very proud of her heritage. I also think the greatest gift Viserys could give Viserra would be heeding her counsel when he's King, along with funding her ventures. Alysanne & Jaehaerys I believe would gift her things like interesting tomes or gifts from foreign ambassadors because Viserra appreciates rare interesting items. Daemon does not give gifts lol. His measure of care is involving himself in Viserra & Baelon's ventures in King's Landing to be "helpful" and also possibly killing people who are unforgivably rude or offensive to Viserra.

In return... well again I find Viserra to be a person who takes care of things ahead of time, who likes to make things smooth via manipulating situations. I think she'd be the type to organize events on behalf of her family (nameday feasts or tourneys or more private events) despite not necessarily enjoying these herself. Ficwise Viserra is a Quality Time enjoyer so anything that allows her to spend time with said loved ones would be a gift she's eager to give. Aemma specifically, I feel like she'd dress her and what not because her niece HASSS to be the baddest bitch in the 16-25 noble ladies cohort at ALLL times. Anything less would be embarrassing. Daemon, she lets Baelon take care of, the most valuable thing she can offer him is a sympathetic ear.

Hope that answers your question!

[vivacissimx]

In your fic, Theomore is only 59 (only lol), as has 6 previous children. I always thought of him as 70+, being older than both Aly and Jae, they're 51 and 53 at that point. And to have more than at least 13+ children, because even Alysanne with 13 children laughs about his huge family.

LOL i suppose i wanted him young enough to actually traumatize her as opposed to just needing a glorified nurse. sorry viv 🤍 but theomore does have a big family, they're just scattered/have died of disease/are disconnected such that in the limited six years of viserra's residence in white harbor, she never met them. desmond isn't the heir cause there's no one else in front of or behind him, he was actively handpicked.

[vivacissimx]

Hi!! Geniune question, what is Theomore and Viserra's relationship like? Like he just comes to her bed every night and leaves one he's done? Has she ever had an orgasm from him? Like what was going on? Was her first orgasm (aside from Delena/herself) Desmond?

I know these are private questions, but again this is an alternate universe fanfiction. So?

I don't mean this in a bad way, just trying to understand. I all written very vaguely, you yourself said you don't want to write anything explicitly too. Which is good I don't need more reasons to hate Jae and Aly or to cry abt Viserra.

Thank you, have a good day.

😭 Lord not that cursed marriage. i can answer, sure. theomore and viserra had a very lukewarm relationship that turned somewhat paternal after she lost her baby (which is also when he stopped maritally r*ping her). prior to that, theomore would basically inform her when he was planning on coming to her chambers so she could "prepare." she prepared by having a glass of wine or two to anesthetize herself. theomore knew she was doing this. he was under no illusions that she was attracted to or enjoyed him but he did think they had a rhythm they'd settled into, both of them performing their duties, which worked for everyone. so, as you can see, he is awful. whether or not she ever felt physical pleasure during these encounters is not really relevant—she was drunk, didn't want him, and felt traumatized to the point that she struggled to sleep in her own bed and became extremely touch-averse in her daily life. her focus during those encounters was purely to endure them. if she did have a reaction it probably disgusted her. theomore and viserra didn't share chambers, either.

yes, delena and desmond are respectively the first people viserra consents to sex/is able to enjoy intimacy with, including experiencing orgasm. both of them were aware of viserra's alcohol dependency and neither took advantage of it—desmond explicitly asks viserra Not to drink wine before they go to bed together i.e. even in-universe theomore's behavior is frowned upon. in fact, in desmond's case, it's only when viserra started initiating casual touches with him that desmond realized she was attracted to him. that said, only delena is aware of the full extent of viserra's trauma around theomore.

[vivacissimx]

Love doesnt live here has touched me so profoundly that it has been all i breathed for the past few days.

The story is pain, make no mistake, but the beautiful kind, if there is such a thing. Your writing has given this shriveled up jaded woman feelings again. For this, i thank you. I could sing neverending praises of your talent for words 🫶🏻

I loved how there was a planned story about them having a daughter. I feel so strongly for viserra having no one that she could truly call hers, and it’s haunted me throughout. I understand a large part of her growth and healing was her loving herself, but in a world where baelon was blessed in so many ways, i feel viserra got the short stick. (Though such is life, i suppose)

Would you happen to have also planned a spinoff about an alternate universe where viserra marries desmond, and lives happily? I love their relationship, and though it is like denial as a coping mechanism, i feel that our viserra deserves someone who can love her completely.

tysm for reading & for this message! i did (still do) believe that having a daughter would be the perfect culmination of everything viserra and baelon have worked to overcome throughout that fic. not as a reward, if only life worked that way, but as a future they've built together. alas irl life is just so busy rn that i don't have the time to really get into their story again, but i'd love to return to it one day. fingers crossed

desmond manderly is so 😪 i played myself with that man because he was just meant to be viserra's equal, someone she could learn to love alongside, who could help her forgive her own immaturity and learn what a relationship could offer her. what she could offer back. unfortunately i didn't realize how much space would be needed to mourn their relationship, because when people say you never forget your first they might have been onto something!

i haven't a whole spinoff with them being married, but i did write a desmond POV at one time that didn't make it in (just didn't fit, sadly). you can have it if you'd like!

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Desmond knows what he likes in a woman.

It's inescapable fact, can be tracked through the faces and frames of every lass he chased in his youth. All there for the world to see, his very own lineage of lovers.

There was the cabin girl first, a Lyseni sailor his own age with roses branded up her arm. A whore kept by her ship’s captain, but she came willingly to Desmond over the moon they spent docked. She cursed loudly in six different tongues whenever he laid with her, and gave him a ribbon out of her hair the day she set sail once more, never to return. (He still has that ribbon, in a box of keepsakes somewhere.)

After her it was more of the same. Rough and tumble. Tavern wenches with wilding blood in them, bloodthirsty bitches who nary spoke sweetly and bit him til they tasted copper. There was a certain blacksmith’s daughter with cracked hands whom he called upon quite often in his seventeenth year, lovely girl who loved to leave him bruised, until his lord and grandsire summoned him to say his attentions had been noticed, and were becoming a nuisance. She married the castle’s cook as a last gesture of his affection, and at times still invited him to her bedroll.

Desmond never accepted of course. 

Two years later, he himself married.

At first, he thought his lady wife would please him well in several aspects, including, to his relief, bedsport. She was wild herself--too wild, he soon found. They were ill-suited even for a lover as generous as he liked to think himself.

For Minerva liked to hold his wrists and ride him as though it was her inside him. She hated his touch on her teats, didn’t even let him see them unless he begged for it. They compromise when they are together for the purpose of childing, his preferences one night, hers the next, but it remains mutually frustrating. He does not stray from her bed, though, takes no whores or mistresses.

The only woman he ever broke his vows with was Princess Viserra. Breaks. He is breaking his vows with Princess Viserra.

How can he explain that to his lady wife? Desmond cannot explain it even to himself. 

Viserra is… nothing he likes. She is beautiful, aye, beautiful as a Valyrian goddess, but also temperamental and haughty and so soft. Desmond cannot be rough with her; she would only scold him, or worse, send him on his way. He gives her no bruises save lovemarks, and only where she allows it. She likes to hold his hand while they make love. Would yelp angrily if he ripped her laces clean in two.

Which is not to say she is not a proficient lover. She is that and more. Fleshy where she should be, shameless in her pleasures. Whether she mounts him or lies beneath, her body moves so erotically it dizzies him. She rarely does it first, but her cunt goes so wet when he speaks words of affection and devotion to her, drowning his good senses away with her grip on his arse urging him deeper. She calls him darling and runs her hands all over his skin, as though it gives her joy just to touch him, and at times she is so inflamed that she enthralls him. Slave to her thighs and mouth and pout, that fucking pout that drives him mad. I need you, please hold me, stay in me, she moans at the end.

Holding him close. Filthy kisses full of spittle and whines that make him hard all over again. Obsessed; obscene.

The truth is this: any man would desire Princess Viserra.

The truth only Desmond knows is this: for the longest time, he didn’t.

Even at eight-and-ten, when he thought of her every time he couldn’t sleep at night, the version of her he imagined was outrageously foul-mouthed and violent. It wasn’t her. It was simple fantasy, and disrespectful at that. 

It was so unrealistic that it wasn’t until his bedding ceremony that he realized there was a problem. Desmond had twisted himself into a self-granted pardon, decided it was merely a matter of his mind being lazy, being bored, that his dreams were no reflection upon his waking hours. The two facets, the Viserra he parleyed with in the day and the Viserra who riled him in the night, were unconnected. It wasn’t her, it was her silver mane tumbling over her lovely shoulders, always causing a stir when she let them be exposed. 

She was the object of his desires yet he did not act on said desires, so what crime?

Desmond absolved himself of wrongdoing for as long as he could, made up lies just so he could touch her skin and repeated them until they felt like truth.

But then she’d smiled so happily when he came to dance with her. But then her soft palm had lain against his bare skin, her silver head sighing beneath his chin. Grasped onto him with the pampered hands of a princess, pressed herself close so that he could keep her safe from the crowd, her who hardly let anyone touch her.

I want you with me day and fucking night, he’d thought viciously, shoved up against the bedchamber doors, his new wife somewhere behind them or perhaps leagues away. I want you to feel how I feel.

She did share his feelings, as it turned out. A part of him had always suspected. Had felt her touches linger. Imagined it on his bare skin.

Viserra is not the sort of woman Desmond likes. She’s too spoiled, too exacting, too refined. She infuriates him, but becomes distraught if he displays annoyance. She refuses to listen to good sense. She vexes him and does not belong in his world and her alliance with Lord Theomore was the biggest miscalculation Desmond had ever had the unfortunate luck to witness. Desmond would do himself many favors by ending their dalliance here and now, walking away as unscathed as he could be by a woman who is fire made flesh…

Cannot, though. Would rather burn alive than sacrifice what little time he has of her, before she finds another man in another castle to care for her as Desmond does.

Viserra is not the sort of woman he likes, but she has never cared to be either. She holds a greater sway over him than mere affection because his she-demon cannot do anything by halves. No, Viserra is not a woman he would say he likes.

Does not hardly need to. For he loves her.

He just... loves her. Could not for the life of him say why.

[vivacissimx]

I don't know if you've seen the orange peel tiktok trend but if you have it reminds me of your Love Doesn't Live Here Baelon

one sec i have to google

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[vivacissimx]

When I first read 'love doesn't live here' in 2021, in the beginning when you announced Vis was pregnant, I always imagined her having twins, a boy and a girl (in White Harbor with, TM). But you wrote it as a son, which , I guessed would be named Aemond (but was Vaemond, close enough🤷).

But let us say Vaemond did survive, would it have changed anything? All together, I mean. Viserra and Baelon's relationship and all?

People had fun guesses for what Viserra was going to name her White Harbor baby, iirc someone guessed it would be named Maegor which had me choking on glass 😩 in fairness, I did have Saera name one of her sons Maegor in the same fic, but you must understand that she is that girl. Viserra is not.

To be honest it probably would have become a bit of a toxic situation if Viserra had that baby—obviously there's a reality where Theomore Manderly's actual heir & grandson Desmond now has this random blood son to contend with, one who won't be old enough to challenge or complicate Desmond's inheritance at the time of Theomore's passing but one whom Viserra could continue to wield influence through. And Desmond's wife Minerva is not really a player in her own right but she is SIL/good sister to the current Lord Edric Stark through his marriage to her elder sister, Arya. So some maths to do on the tension over the title of Lady Manderly there. Ntm Desmond is in love with Viserra and boiling with insecurity/spite over her pregnancy but whatever.

More importantly, however, there's a lot of space for a woman as proud as Viserra's emotions about a baby conceived in the manner that Vaemond was (through this unwanted husband who is nearing the end of his life, her stuck in a city she refuses to consider home despite having made a real life for herself there). A son could be a lifeline to a woman in her position. In the fic, you see that she's come around to loving her unborn child in this possessive way, sort of like how the Russian writer Ivan Turgenev's mother loved him when she wrote him letters saying things like, "I alone conceived you." (Years later, Turgenev wrote a friend, "I only know true happiness when a woman presses her boot into my neck and pushes my face into the mud." lol. Yeesh)

When Viserra and Desmond are pillow-talking in chapter 12 she tells him "we might have had some happiness together. That is another life, Desmond. In this one, there is none for me to do but depart. It would ruin us both if I stayed." That's pretty much how I see Vaemond. I think his existence would have warped Viserra around him, into finding some meaning through him, as his sole parent.

Ok about Viserra & Baelon: how would Vaemond affect them? I wonder. I don't think Baelon would be the kind of guy to resent a child from a former marriage when these two later fall in love. He's a single dad. His kids are his world. That might have actually been a bridge for them to understand each other quicker. However Viserra's journey would have been totally different because her perception of herself as being infertile actually catalyzes a lot of soul searching i.e. now that she's without this expected value, as a woman, what are her prospects? And what does she want them to be/who does she want to be? She's going to mourn Vaemond her whole life (the scar of him is on her body!) but is that all she's got in her? Long story short I think Vaemond living would have made ViserraBaelon as a relationship easier to get to (co-parenting✨ we love it), but it's not the story I wanted to tell about Viserra and Baelon which was them hitting complete rock bottom and only then finding another breathing body beside them, someone to hold in the darkness and rise with into the light.

[vivacissimx]

If you're taking questions about your fic verse, I'm curious about what ripple effects you've maybe considered Viserra and Alysanne the Younger having if the events around them march on as in canon, leading eventually to the Dance... but maybe not, or a different configuration, with two more players in there?

hey! yeah so a dance re-do is very much the conclusion of the viserra lives ficverse! way in the future but it's a whole thing that lives in my brain, jkdhefrj GOD i SO wish i could vomit it into google docs fully formed. just do a birth of athena on her.

basically my jumping off point would be the great council of 101 where i would have viserra act as something akin to a natural mediator between viserys and rhaenys and, in an attempt to honor baelon's lifelong mission of keeping his family strong together, heavily encourage them to come to an agreement pre-council vote about what concessions the winner is willing to give the loser (a seat on the council, certain privileges and roles etc). that would have a few ripple effects but nonetheless do nothing to change viserys being the chosen heir.

the main difference i'd see in this specific fic (and other people might approach it differently!) would be that i don't believe there was ZERO sign aemma's miscarriages might lead to a bad end, prior to her final pregnancy. ficverse viserra is super protective of aemma for a few reasons, foremost her empathy around aemma's vulnerability, but also because viserra met this young impressionable child at a time when she desperately needed human connection and thought herself to be unable to have kids. so aemma has a special place in her heart.

i'd have a more empowered aemma advocating for waiting before her and viserys try again, and this leading to a fracture between her, viserys, and the small council eager to ensure the king has >1 heir that results in acknowledged royal mistress alicent hightower & the resulting green children coming about. and then the dance would be a different thing, if still the same: the greens claiming viserys legitimized alicent's (technically bastard) kids on his deathbed therefore they're the true heirs now, the debacle over inheritance rights of women & bastards being brought slightly more to the forefront. i find that flip sort of delicious: rhaenyra's strong boys having the titles but not the targaryen looks, and alicent's children having the looks but not the titles.

by that time viserra would be what, 60+? her hands would not be unstained in any of this. as one of aemma (& therefore rhaenyra)'s stronger supporters at court, bringing to the black side supporters of her own, viserra would then play a role in the conflict accordingly.

princess alysanne is a character i have a lot thought about--i would give her dreamfyre because that dragon is for lesbians ONLY, and helaena silverwing instead (is ulf the white really important to story? no? idgaf about him, bye!). obviously alysanne would have been raised with rhaenyra and have [redacted] relationship with her, and then play [redacted] role in the war as an additional dragonrider on the black side. i still have nettles riding sheepstealer in the outline for this dance, so imagine what you will what that means about viserra's fate and princess alysanne's possible personal motivations.

[vivacissimx]

Ok but whenever I reread 'love doesn't live here' fic. My image of how Desmond looks like it is always, always Hiccup from httyd. I don't know why but in my mind it's perfect. Everything, including the mourning beard.

quick google search later

yeah i'll support that 🧜🏻‍♂️