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#lmao at least the characters of the iliad and the odyssey for that matter
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there is more depth and complexity in priam pleading with achilles than there is in the entire bible
#i once wrote a whole essay about it#how it represents a unique pagan perspective on forgiveness#but really christians are so arrogant sometimes#lmao at least the characters of the iliad and the odyssey for that matter#are actually characters#if you asked me about any character i could tell you about them#who they are what they are like what their goals are and so on#they are multifaceted and full of internal and external struggles and undergo character development#and even if this characterization of homeric epics was accurate#and i maintain it's not#but even if it was#we still have all the greek tragedies#which are again famous for their depth and complexity#christians stop being arrogant and develop some nuance challenge#lmao#how is the binding of isaac psychologically complex anyway?#like lol abraham doesn't even seem to hesitate at all#there is no evidence of internal psychological struggle#so i'd like to know what op is talking about#lol what is the ever abiding question of this tale?#the iliad on the other hand raises questions about#glory war mortality friendship love honor fate and so on#i could write essays about the love of achilles and patroclus#or the rivalry between achilles and hector#or as i mentioned the scene between achilles and priam#or the anguish of achilles#lmao not interesting or vital my ass#and don't even get me started on the odyssey#also glory and honor and revenge and duty and returning home#are all much more salient motivating factors than gold or women
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encrucijada · 7 months
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you’re right you’re right you’re righttttt. Pia your anti Greek myth retelling posts are soooo big brain mwah. Also I just saw your post on the technical little details Miller fucked up and I’m goin feral please tell me there’s more stuff you can point out. Like not just the blatant character assassinations but also those small factual errors that are easy to miss but if you’re well read up on and familiar with the myths you can catch the mistakes (eg if madeline writes x was the first to die in war, but ancient texts actually state that it was y)
i have not braved the iliad chapters of tsoa in like a year. i'd have to do at least a superficial reread of the poem itself to find any problems i might have missed in miller's book as i haven't reread the iliad in like... three years lmao. but from the iliad chapters a technical issue that fester literally until the end is the absence of the funeral games in honour of patroclus... the achaean army liked patroclus. the final conflict of his shade being stuck could not exist
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this was maybe the first major incorrect detail i noticed while reading. i cannot believe miller got this wrong because whom thetis' parents are is right there in her classification within the mythology. thetis is a nereid (aka a sea nymph). her parents are nereus and doris. proteus is the shapeshifting man of the sea who, in the odyssey, tells menelaus his friends are dead while his fleet is stranded in egypt.
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^ here are the sources
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okay this one is a matter of "depends on the sources" but a lot and i mean a lot of the "gods fucking up the lives of mortals" stories come from ovid's metamorphoses... a roman source. a roman source written during the reign of imperator augustus by a guy who didn't like augustus very much and so naturally he wrote about beings in power fucking up the lives of those beneath them. so really my problem with this line is the use of never, because never say never
that's all that comes to mind rn. i would love to say more but i would have to actually reread some of tsoa for that (or reread my annotations) and i always try to make sure what i say is backed by a source so i don't become part of the problem and i'm feeling a bit lazy lmao. but yeah!
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