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It's 2am and I can't sleep, have this silly doodle
#art#zkretchy#dragon age 2#da2#hawke#anders#kirkwall may be our home and it felt homey in the way that smth is familiar and thus comforting#but also....boi is it a shithole#our shithole(affectionate)(and derogatory lets be real)#everyone: btw kirkwall is a shithole and apparently the veil is fucked there which is why everyone went crazy#its hilarious to start w/ 2 and then go into inquisition#where the first things ppl tell you is that many circles are actually p chill/normal and people were trying to achieve peace#between mages and templars before everything blew up (unrelated to anders)#vs kirkwall where basically the first thing you get told is all mages bad and the circle? even worse actually!#and everyone and their grandmother-mage uses bloodmagic(such evil :O) and turns into a demon one way or another#and the conflict is...there in da:i sure but not as prevelant at the start at the very least#ppl are much more chill about mages minus the rebel ones AND agree that templars can fuck up actually and not be good at their job in any w#diversity win: factions not led by fade-crazed-driven mage nor red-lyrium templar#as of right now....i am not trusting anyone anymore....keeping my eyes on all of my companions now lest they build a bomb again w/out telli
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vg being like 'this isn't the south we don't have circles' you can't fool me game i remember. the circles started in nevarra.
#ooc ( bird noises )#was it occupied territory at the time? probably but so is most of orlais#its so much more complicated than 'some nations are Pure Andrastian and Bad and the others have other faiths and are good#the circles should function a little differently and i think there is#a lot of potential for interesting conflict or interactions between nevarran circles and the mortalitasi who are outside of that system#and maybe the circle mages and seers in rivain#and likewise the relationship between templars and mages in tevinter has potential#to be very interesting#veilguard critical ///#but we can also stomp on the places we can't Pretend weren't ever problematic and say the rest were perfect
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Canon Sebastian: The mages shouldn't be punished when the one who committed the murders is right here
Fanon Sebastian apparently?: I'm gonna get you Anders and all the mages in Thedas, they will die by my hand mwahahahah (villainously twirls moustache)
#also its a bit weird how people basically decided if youre against anders then you must be anti mage#like you do realise yall are weird for that right#im tired of pretendind that yall are normal for that lmao#pretending*#love typing on mobile#the reason im glad there was no mage templar conflict in veilguard is bc half of yall refuse to see anders as flawed
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so i've been playing da2 for a hot minute now. in act II and man... really loving anders this go around now that I played Awakening... he's just... he's such a tortured meow meow...
oh hey btw here's my girl :) below the readmore
#DAMMIT.#even worse i went into this pt as a mage so mage/templar conflicts are just so much more amplified lol.#i wanted to contrast fenris and yet HERE HAWKE IS HAVIN SOME FEELINGS#will i stay strong on my path...#me pointing at myself in the mirror: >:( fenris is ALSO your first tortured meow meow when u first played dont forget it#aev plays dragon age 2#aev plays dragon age
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They're gonna do the Inquisitor as dirty in Veilguard as they did Hawke in Inquisition, huh?
#i was very excited about veilguard#i still am?#but I'm also really disappointed with the whole 3 choices thing#like....whatvthe absolute fuck?#how is it that who the inquisition took in in the mage x Templar conflict doesn't matter?#the firt big choice you make in the fucking game?#how does what you do with the wardens not matter?#HOW DOES WHO YOU PUT. IN THE MOTHERFUCKING THRONE.#OF MOTHERFUCKING ORLAIS. NOT. MATTER????#i dont give a flying fuck about my inquisitor's relationship with solas#i care about the inquisition she build#not to mention stuff from the other games#it's ridiculous#my one fear going into veilguard would be that they'd treat the Inquisitor like treated hawke in daí#hawke was just so ooc in dai#in bw's typical 'oh#actually blood magic is evil' way#which is fucking stupid#i as the player should have the choice to do it if i want to#anyway...not sure i want to see dorian and fenris anymore#cause god knows what they'll to them#dragon age#dav spoilers
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i've been thinking about dragon age after veilguard, and i feel like it wasn't the game that fucked everything up, it was inquisition. it set the whole series on the wrong path. set to answer questions that never needed one. we didn't need to know what happened to the ancient elves, the veil, where is the blight coming from or anything like that. mysteries like that should be kept as mysteries. its like if the next elder scrolls would try and show what happened to the dwemer, no matter what they come up w/ it would be disappointing. and that is what happened to dragon age
#dragon age didnt need to be about the world ending#the mage/templar conflict was right there#but bioware tried to force the player to sympathize w the templars and failed#so they decided to blow everything up#or at least thats my theory#dragon age critical
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hate being negative 24/7 but i keep thinking about things in the series i care about then remembering it'll never be addressed 👍🏻
#i knew the mage-templar conflict would be abandoned but THIS BAD?#whatever. i'll just write marcus/anders fic who cares
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honestly in dragon age the templars being controlled by the chantry almost feels like a (pardon tv tropes speak) informed attribute like the templars are always doing whatever the fuck they want
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my general issue with the dragon age franchise, from origin onwards, is how it's really useless for the most part to get invested in ending slides and wonder how they're gonna be carried forward. bc, most of the time, bioware will just be like 'well, wasn't that really cool? we, however, are gonna forget completely about it and hope you do too 👋🏻'
#.da#ill be honest when i say the bait and switch really bothers me even when i otherwise like the games themselves#oh you like that zevran was hunting the crows to extintion? oh you wanted to see the mage/templar conflict be carried forward?#oh solas had an army of elven informants&agents?#and it's like whatever. not that deep. but it annoys meeeeee
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they really wrote loghain and then the rest of the main villains in dragon age were kinda eh (this is solas's fault for dai and datv)
#elaine talks#listen i like meredith but she does kinda suffer from being so out of focus in da2#to the point where it doesnt feel like shes supposed to be the antagonist#and a lot of that is bc of the way they wrote the mage templar conflict to be both sides bad starting from da2#loghain has his moments of out of focus-ness but he's there#you dont even hear meredith's voice till end of act 2
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i’m gripping you by the shoulders. you need to read the fifth season.
#OOC.#some parts of it give me elvhenan vibes. some parts give me mage templar conflict vibes.#and ofc most parts are vibes of their own but i’m trying to sell you on it
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miiiiight just take bellara lutare from bioware's hands in general and write everything about her myself. miiiiight sprinkle in some self-written companion quests. miiiiight add more nuance and conflicts to the story
#ooc.#is it bad i was craving for more evidence of....idk.....the elven struggle vs humans? their antagonistic relationship? the REVEAL that their#GODS are evil?#no one thought to blame the elves at all???? not that they are at fault but for conflict? it isnt far fetched to be suspicious!!!!#or what of the mage-templar war in the south? the repercussions?#we all know that geopolitical issues are NOT isolated. they cause ripples throughout the world/thedas. we see it now irl. come on!
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It had been so long since I'd played DAI last, and there have been so many years of thoughtful discussion since then, that I forgot how fundementally frustrating it is to talk to Mme V in Haven and not be able to counter any of what she says about how the Circles work.
#just this wild feeling of 'i was there!' but of course my newly-minted herald ember cadash was not there#em has never even been close to there#she would never have spoken to a circle mage before the breach#but me! on the other side of the screen! i was there!#i played an apprentice as she was harrowed in kinloch hold#who heard the other apprentices whisper that the templars watched them as they bathed#i played hawkes who were the child and sister of apostates and one who was one herself#i played a warden-commander who conscripted anders and listened to his stories#and I played as hawkes who went with him to meet newly-tranquil karl in the kirkwall chantry#i played characters who freed jowan and others who saw him sent back to the circle#all of whom found the paper trail in kinloch hold confirming he'd only learned blood magic from the documents irving purposefully left out#though only one ever knew he only took the bait because of his deep fear of tranquility and of losing his new love#my HoFs learned of the baby taken away from wynne as soon as she gave birth#and of course my canon dalish hero of ferelden knew firsthand none of it had to be that way#i should go watch a video of how that convo goes with a mage trevelyan -- if you can push back (i played one once but can't remember)#it was a relief to go talk to blackwall after that and have him say 'maybe it's hindsight but this conflict was inevitable huh'#i would say so blackwall. i would definitely say so. after all I was there
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watching the templar quest in dai bc i've never played it and it's just so not sexy when compared to what the horror of having a thing invade ur mind and show you awful things in an attempt to know you well enough to Become You should be like. but at least cole is there
#lewen gets the mage quest bc dorian and also bc rhu won't let him anywhere near the templars#but she almost immediately volunteers to go talk to them (because this is a version of dai where the magetemplar conflict is more in focus)#mostly to spy.#rule no. 1 of anything ever is to know ur enemy etc.#ends up saving a bunch of templars and is like. hrm. this was not my intention.
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I attempted to replay DAII a few weeks back for the pleasure/refresher of the story and the character arcs but just couldn’t bring myself to do it. Have lost lots of capacity to enjoy game mechanics which extend length of time to engage w story and notwithstanding the dialogue is quite excellent (in a game context) it’s clunky for, say, a story, and the physical/visual staging in character interactions is v dated. (Key Settings are pretty decent for symbolism tho)
and that’s when I realised the first time ever why sometimes fans *do* get interested enough to write full novelisations of a thing.
#I would prob read one.#I would prob also still be interested enough to write one if I didn’t have competing priorities#I’d still hold it needs to be aveline’s pov tho not varric#aveline’s conflicted morality as a corrupt cop favouring the criminal immigrant who saved her life and wangled her position of power#watching as that crim legitimises himself but continues to operate between the lines#because after all he’s a blood mage#gooooooooood I would want this#blood mage Hawke x Isabela who abandons him to the arishok#rivals Anders and Merrill and executes anders; mage Beth and temp carver live tho#friends/romance Fenris post Isabela and friends varric#but at the end of it Hawke cannot bring himself to support Templars and has to kill Fenris#Aveline narrative voice as if she is untouched and non influential on all this while reader can See her Hypocricy#only varric calls her out#Also can we have more Leandra being complex and hypocritical too
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try whatever you want, bioware. you’ll have to remove the option to play as a mage from the game entirely to stop making all my heroes mages. and im going to make every situation about mages somehow. removing the mage templar conflict from the foreground narrative cannot stop me.
#do you think they ever realized how stupid it looked in inquisition when they tried to purposefully reframe#the mage templar war as a conflict between two equally ‘grey’ factions and not one with a clear moral line#a character’s in universe opinion aside. like it was silly. that they tried to make it appear to the Player like ‘um actually..’#‘the MAGES abused the tranquil…’ WHAT?! 😭
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