#miss scarlet and the duke spoiler

[melanieexox]

MISS SCARLET & THE DUKE | The Diamond Feather: "Becuase I love you."

[whitefluffyyeti]

Miss Scarlet and the Duke "The diamond feather"

[perceptivehands]

|| Miss Scarlet and The Duke » 4.04 "The Diamond Feather" ||

[accidental-spice]

@monthly-challenge 2024 | Day #21: Free Day

Gimme just a little bit of hope

With a smile or a glance, gimme one more chance

[mirai-desu]

On the MSATD News

I didn't have time to post a knee-jerk reaction (which those of you from the Downton days know I was apt to do - thank you to all my long term mutuals of my side blog for sticking with me through those days), as I saw the news as I was getting ready to head out for work and it's been… a bit of a day.

Suffice it to say… I am devastated. And my initial reaction was (well after cursing), that it should have ended with S4, but with a different (happier) conclusion. It's called Miss Scarlet AND THE DUKE for a reason. And after all that happened in S4… it really feels like… what was it all for?? Especially if they knew WHEN FILMING THIS?? "Goodbye for now" is NOT "goodbye forever." They really, really really fumbled this.

There's a lot of theories going around, and I will admit it's too hard for me to listen to Stuart's new interview, but going off what other's have said and the parts of the transcript I did manage to read… I just cannot feel like this was actually his decision unless there's something else going on with him (either in his personal life or maybe he has some secret role he's got, because supposedly he hasn't worked since he did ADR on S4). He's been the captain of the ship, and he has always been enthusiastic with discussing the show and had just great insight into playing William. It doesn't feel like he himself was ready to move onto other things (and that's not even how it's worded - some BS about how the show needed it him to be gone for ~longevity~ of the show), like I've seen with other actors are on shows (e.g. Dan Stevens). He still promoted S3 (which came out in the UK after they filmed S4), he still even promoted S4! He was an executive producer for S4!!! Nothing makes sense!

So if it's due to RN… why keep having the other characters say William was only going to be gone a year? Why bother to have the flashback? why bother to have him stay at at Eliza's to recover?? hell I'm surprised they just didn't keep in the coma then--

But really, why even bother to have Eliza write to him? Or have Ivy say what she said to her?? The time apart was supposed to be them looking at their options. They literally foreshadowed him joining Eliza at her agency upon his return. So… what happened?

If it was actually for personal reasons that Stuart left, he has a right to his privacy. But then they should have rewritten S4 to be the end then, since they knew all this time. I can't believe we are getting the full story on this, one way or the other. The more and more I think about it... I do think it was RN's doing though.

Just two nights ago I drafted up a whole meta extolling how one of the best things this show has done has been how they developed William and how he grew as a character. The progression he made as he not only accepted Eliza having a career but encouraging her. His mentorship of Fitzroy. How he came from nothing, from a teenager living on the streets, to become an inspector at Scotland Yard. But they have chosen to toss that all out the window.

Who knows, maybe S5 ends with Eliza deciding to go to New York. But it doesn't seem like they are handling this like Babington's absence in Sanditon. They will make Eliza quickly fall for someone else, and slap fans in the face who have been following their friends to lovers slow burn for five years (because we had to wait for S2 in the first place thanks to the pandemic). And what sucks is that we still got promo saying they are in love with each other. From Stuart, from Kate, from Rachael New herself. We have still gotten promo promoting the romance. Why not have them have a big fight then or something, idk. They gave us hope. And you know what Fellowes says about false hope.

So I'm just supposed to believe that William gives up on Eliza and doesn't return…? No, I cannot. As much as we hated the deaths on DA when they wrote out actors, at least those characters still died in love with their spouses. And while I'd still be foaming at the mouth in anger if they killed him off… yeah.

William's last lines of the show is a flashback including him saying "is it all worth it?" And the answer is… no it's not.

[charmedlifesworld]

A random thing that I just really wanted to mention, which is, um, just how amazing it was to see Eliza and Patrick literally sitting together at the end of 4x4 celebrating and LAUGHING TOGETHER about her being the one to crack the case. Eliza looked so happy being there with patrick, which in turn made my shipper heart for them absolutely crumble 🥺😩 ( I've honestly not seen Eliza be that happy before.... 👀). She was so in the moment that she actually forgot that William wanted to speak to her, lol. Also, I definitely caught that quick camera turn back to patrick with him, looking disappointed that she was leaving.

[servants-hall]

Miss Scarlet & The Duke 4x03

[mellow-plum]

williza - different parallel

[coolcatkerr]

Eliza + William | "Because I love you." [Season 4]

"This isn't goodbye. It's goodbye for now"

I swear if they don't renew for season 5! We FINALLY had a kiss and THAT infamous first kiss BUT AT WHAT COST - app the duke going to America for a year 😅

Song: Two - Sleeping at Last

[writingwife-83]

Ok listen, I have thoughts about s4 of Miss Scarlet and the Duke. I’ll put them below the cut due to spoilers. If you haven’t watched yet and you don’t want to know things ahead of time, please don’t read below!

Look, I get it. I get that this is a slow burn drama type of story line going on here between Eliza and William. But for the love of all that’s good and holy, I’m bout ready to slap the writer/s. 😤 you can only have so many “will they, won’t they” moments in a plot before it becomes ridiculous. IMO it’s becoming ridiculous in this season. It’s drama for the sake of drama, and it could be done in other ways. The lack of honest communication that’s keeping them apart has become more unrealistic since it’s gone on this long.

They should have just got them together by the end of this season! Develop the two of them as a couple who’s courting, and then eventually married in the next season or two. There’s oodles of drama that could come up when you think of those two in an established relationship while still trying to work in their field. I think writers are afraid to get the main ship together because then the thrill is gone and people will lose interest. But I don’t think that happens if it’s done well! Idk it’s just become a bit much for me and I hate to admit but I was barely interested in watching the last 2 episodes with William not even there. And all they did is mention she was finally writing to him! Not even a scene of writing a letter? No voiceover of what she’s saying to him?? 🙄

My biggest fear is that they did this toward the end of the season because they’re going to be phasing the Duke’s character out in some way. Seems unlikely based on the title, but still. Or maybe the actor won’t be able to return and he’ll be recast. You can call me shallow or whatever, but I probably won’t care to watch this show if his character, or maybe even the actor, leaves.

On a positive note, I loved what they did with Fitzroy’s character this season! I feel like he’s had a lot of development and he’s just such a lovable guy imo. I hope they keep him around because I think he really adds something to the case.

Sorry for the mostly ranting post, but I just had to vent. Let me know if you feel the same!

[kanerallels]

Okay I can't resist it thoughts on MSATD season four, episode 3 under the cut:

The first scene KILLED ME. Eliza talking to unconscious William and visiting him every day and lying to the nurses and pretending to be his wife so she could get in, and bEGGING HIM TO WAKE UP HELP

The flashbacks were absolutely MASTERFULLY done. The actors for young William and Eliza were INCREDIBLE-- she looked just like a younger Eliza, and sounded like her too!! I wasn't immediately sold on William's actor-- probably the lack of beard threw me off-- but that did NOT last. He sounded so much like him, and he really did a great job of William's expressions and his patented "Good Grief Eliza Why Do You Do This" sigh made MULTIPLE appearances

The S1 E5 reference with "tempus fugit" made me very emotional, as did all of the interactions with William and Henry

OH ALSO WE GOT TO SEE THE PARKERS AGAIN I MISSED THE PARKERS

I will never stop losing my mind over the fact that Eliza fell first but William fell harder

"do you always lie this much?" ENDED ME the way it-- and so many things in this episode-- set up their dynamic as we know them now is just *chef's kiss*

Also I love that Eliza solved the case

But I can also see how it must have felt SO unfair that William gets the job she's always dreamed of, I love and appreciate her for forging her own way

OKAY BUT THE FACT WE GOT THE KISS THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FIRST OF ALL ELIZA. GIRL. THAT WAS IN NO WAYS JUST WILLIAM. SECOND OF ALL it cracked me up that teenage William's only idea for how to stop her from crying was to kiss her. Almost like you've been thinking about kissing her a lot huh

And then the ending scene where he woke up and she was so HAPPY and they were bantering a little and I just. AUGH I AM FEELING SOME EMOTIONS ABOUT THESE TWO OKAY THAT'S ALL FOR NOW

[whitefluffyyeti]

Miss Scarlet and the Duke "Origins"

[melanieexox]

I went back to see how close to the truth the first kiss was to what they had described in the first season...

"You kissed me."

"I seemed to remember that I slapped your face."

Eliza kissed him first. She also did not slap him as she claims.

Even though she had mentioned her dog's death, what she was really upset over was the fact that her father offered William a job with him and not her.

Always funny how it works out with description of what happened versus showing it seasons later.🤣

[mewmckenna]

Miss Scarlet

So, I am sure by now that everyone has seen the news that Stuart Martin will not be returning for season five of MSATD. I know a lot of people are super disappointed that William is leaving the show, as am I, but honestly, I kind of feel that this could be a new opportunity for the show. It is obvious that the writers did not know that Stuart was leaving the show for good as they were writing last season, but with him being gone it makes the ending of season four almost better to me. Eliza is no longer working for Patrick, and while he is coming back and will likely not end up in prison (though who knows), I imagine Eliza won't go back to Nash & Sons. She was finally able to change the sign above her door to say "Miss Eliza Scarlet," something that seemed impossible to her in earlier seasons. Also, while Eliza is certainly fine at working with a few friends, she will never be the kind of manager that Patrick is as she's simply too independent and stubborn. It is for the better that she is at her own agency, able to do her thing without too much interference.

In a roundabout way, I think William's departure kind of brings everything together. Eliza is truly alone, without William or her father. Everything that she does now will be entirely up to her; she has no father or childhood friend to fall back on. I think that this, plus the name of the show changing to be just Miss Scarlet is a kind of bookend to how the show began. The producers and writers of the show have already hinted at this being the start of a shift in direction, and while the story was largely focused on the romance between William and Eliza during the first four seasons, I think that this gives the creators an opportunity to do more. By calling the show Miss Scarlet and the Duke, they were limited in what they could write. I know I have seen many people comment on how the show seemed to drag because of the drawn out will-they-won't-they between Eliza and William, something I noticed myself after the first couple of seasons.

Now, since it is apparent that they are no longer going to be the endgame couple, there is more freedom in the storyline and what the writers can do with the personal relationships. At the end of season four, it felt to me as though the show had sort of written itself into a corner concerning the title relationship of the show. In another recent post I even commented on how the relationship between the two would remain unchanged unless some drastic action by one of them, probably William. Obviously, I did not know that Stuart was planning on leaving the show, but I think my criticism still stands. Both Eliza and William cared too much about their jobs to ever be able to be truly happy together as we last saw them.

This is exactly the reason that William leaves for New York, and it could be very possibly that the way that they write him out of the show is with him deciding to stay in America. William had been considering quitting his position at Scotland Yard, but this was due to the conditions of his job at the time and how overworked he was, plus the draw of finally being able to be with Eliza. It feels very possible to me that he might change his mind upon entering a less stressful environment and decide not to come back to London. After all, William went months, if not a year, suspecting or knowing Eliza's feelings towards him and vice versa but he was still unwilling to give up his career to be with her. I don't fault William for this as Eliza does the same thing, but it does make his staying in New York a bit more believable.

So even though the show is not going to go in the direction we have all thought it would, I think that this could be a good thing. While we won't know if that is the case for likely a year, I am not going to call any judgements until season five is released. Though I think that the show has definitely benefitted from William's presence, it has always been about Eliza first and foremost and so I am excited to see what she gets up to next.

(Also here's to hoping that Ansu Kabia is included in later casting announcements as we have gone far too long without Moses)

[pearlcaddy]

WILLIAM WELLINGTON & ELIZA SCARLET Miss Scarlet and the Duke 3.05

[charmedlifesworld]

Me: " the only way that Eliza/Patrick can happen is if William would ever actually leave the show."

Also, Me: " There's no way the writers would actually write him out after the show and them have expressed multiple times how him and Eliza are endgame"

And then the news announcement about the show today reveals season 5 is happening and that William is legit leaving the show.

Me today: " So basically eliza/Patrick's chances of happening HAVE RISEN SO HIGH"

Seriously though, I feel like I'm dreaming. THE SCARNASH SHIPPERS HAVE WON.