#ml strike back spoilers

[wildtornado-o]

I just think that they should b besties.

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(Felix) And then Laurence betrayed England and was put up for the death penalty because he helped France find the cure for their dragons

(Duusu) woahhh...

[familyagrestefanblog]

You know I really hope 5x01 settles the situation right away (or at least sufficiently brings it up) that theoretically speaking Ladybug and Chat Noir are absolutely not alone nor outnumbered by Hawkmoth now having 15 more miraculous.

Because there is a whole ass Guardian Temple in Tibet ever since season 3 "Feast" with plenty of other Guardians trained specifically to protect the Miraculous and take down Miraculous holder out of control

Along with dozens of other Miracle Boxes stil able to be used to take down Hawkmoth

I know season 4 pretty much went out of its way to not acknowledge this to make the ending hit as hard as possible... but after "Strike Back" season 5 really has no excuse in that regard.

I hope season 5 episode 1 or 2 finally make it clear and establish for good if the other Guardians of the Miraculous are to be read as allies or foes by the audience. And not this wishy-washy in between stuff. Yes the guardians are harsh, strict and Su-Han has the tendency to be an explosive entitled jerk used to having too much power but this doesn't mean he is a straight up villain. He is just an asshole boss.

And after "Strike Back" we are honestly kinda in a position where I also hope that our heros are going to start concidering to work WITH Su-Han/ the Guardians and not just continue to stomp down their foots and say "no". That's not a solution anymore and even when the event of the season 4 finale were to reveal the Guardians "true, evil nature" then I still want our heros to at least having seen reason to take the first step and accept making compromises for the greater good now.

Of course Su-Han taking away both of their Miraculous is out of question. Or taking Ladybugs guardianship and memories away is also an absolute no-go, just like Su-Han taking his anger out by punishing Chat Noir for the things Ladybug remains untouchable to him because her guardianship requires Su-Han to kinda put up with her until Hawkmoth is gone, this is also 100% unacceptable.

Draw a distinct line at the harsh punishments neither Marinette nor Adrien deserve but please have the beginning of season 5 make genuine attempts to have our heros met Su-Han at least half way in some points.

If it is theoretically required now that Chat Noirs identity needs to be known by someone then there has to be a willingness now to find a better solution than the two we saw in "Ephemeral".

And if it's a requirement now that Marinette has to at least follow a certain amount of traditional guardian rules... then there is really no reason anymore to have her continue to refuse to at least hear them out and follow some of them.

Again, this is more about the heros willingness to get over themselves after season 4 and their issues with Su-Han to TRY to do the right thing and make the necessary compromises now. How Su-Han and the Guardians react to this is a different thing entirely.

Meaning Ladybug should be willing to uphold more traditional guardian rules even if they are inconvenient for her and she has less control and Chat Noir needs to put his parental issues aside and not project his own relationship between himself and his father onto Su-Han and Ladybug/himself. As right as Adrien is in "Furious Fu" by calling Su-Han out on all of his extreme authorian bullshit, the Celestial guardian of the miraculous is not obligated to be a familial and warm presence who listens to them or behaves less like the actual High Authority he simply IS. Su-Han isn't Gabriel and Celestial Guardian of the Miraculous is a very different position as the role of a father, no matter how similar Gabriel behaved.

I just want to see our heros being willing to take the next step to do the right thing after what happened in "Strike Back" and at this point that definitely is going to Su-Han and asking for help no matter if they think are getting chewed out and will have some restrictions placed upon them. The situation is dire as hell. Until we know for sure if the Guardians are allies or foes it goes "innocent before guilty" in my opinion and it's worth the potential sacrifice because the guardians are very valuable allies we cannot sideline anymore.

Both for the powerful guardian techniques and knowledge and of course the other Miracle Boxes back in the temple

[bvgxboo]

this SCREAMS post reveal ladynoir. argue with the wall.

[miraculous-floconfettis]

Still can't believe that those 2 scenes happened inside the same house at the very same moment and they have absolutely no idea

[everythings-a-feather]

look at him. never done anything wrong in his life

[spotted-kittens]

I was rewatching Strikeback (as you do) and I was hit with a sudden realization. I love Felix as much as the next person, actually a lot more than that, I understand how deeply he has been hurt, I feel his drive, I see his reasoning and motivation for everything he does, but...

He didn't have to give up Adrien's half-amok. He knew what it was, he knew what it meant. Gabriel didn't ask for it, Felix offered it up himself. He had already offered all the other miraculous, and Gabriel hadn't said no yet. He had no reason to add the ring to the pile.

While I understand show-wise why Gabriel had to get the ring back (and also why Felix couldn't hold on to it) I really, really believe Felix wouldn't do this unless he had no other choice.

So what I'm saying is that the writers should have at least given Felix a reason to betray Adrien like that, it wouldn't have taken more than 30 seconds of air time. While he probably would have betrayed Adrien, given enough motivation, it makes no sense for Felix to just offer the ring up like that.

It just seems wrong.

[kisilinramblings]

Hot Take (and probably unpopular opinion), but Shadow Moth’s plan with Risk did work. The plan just had a surprising execution Gabriel couldn’t anticipated since he doesn’t know Laydbug and Chat Noir’s secret identity. 

If it weren’t from Risk’s influence, Adrien would not have risked to trust Félix’s plan and wouldn’t have switched places with him.

If it weren’t from Risk’s influence, Marinette wouldn’t have risked everything just to bring Adrien back. 

And Multiplication showed us that both Marinette AND Adrien blame themselves for the lost Miraculouses. While really the biggest move that made Félix come in Paris in the very first place was Gabriel’s decision to send away Adrien on an international trip for an out of the blue commercial.

Because Gabriel 's plan with Risk, because he doesn’t know what would upfold as he would have no control over what will happen, he wants both Émilie’s ring and Adrien to be away from Paris before he unleashes the second part of his plan with Strike Back. 

Félix snatching Ladybug’s yoyo and portal to the Miracle Box is due of a combination of both our heroes and villain’s actions because of Risk. So Gabriel’s plan did work. But he just didn’t know nor imagine the biggest trigger would be him letting go of control and letting his son away to unleash a domino chain amplified by the Akumatized’s power that would have gave him a huge victory and blow to the heroes camp.

[iwasbored777]

Chloé: *stole an entire miracle box in one day*

Félix: *stole every miraculous in one day*

Fei: *stole and returned the miraculous in one day*

Gabriel: *lost an entire miracle box Chloé stole right away and he lost a miraculous Félix stole on the same day*

[wildtornado-o]

Flairmidable redeisgn I did for fun! I like his cannon design but it feels a little blank to me lol

Kept his thigh high boots those are like, a staple to me. Also kept his fluffier hair bcs I think its cute and works well with the dog theme

[familyagrestefanblog]

You know, Félix is smart. If I were him I too would have conveniently left out the tiny detail of having used one of Adrien's amoks - that was safe and sound away from Gabriel/Monarque and with Felix in another country - as payment on top of 15 other miraculous to make sure Gabriel won't definitely say "no" to get the Peacock miraculous from him.

Félix by now knows exactly how much Adrien means to both Marinette AND Kagami. Ship Feligami as you like, they will forgive the Miracle box thing because of Félix being a Sentihuman, but if they ever find out that Félix used Adrien's freedom and physical and mental autonomy as payment and put him back in his abusers wrath who is not only his father but Monarque and now extremely powerful and batshit insane, then may all gods of human history have mercy on Félix' soul.

Neither Marinette nor Kagami will forgive that because Félix has NO excuse for doing THAT to his own cousin he claims to love oh so much. With this backstory of his being revealed here and him using it to get sympathy points and his ultimate speed redemption all of it can absolutely break apart again because Félix actively CHOOSE to put Adrien back in his abusers wrath as his scapegoat so Félix can ensure saving himself and himself only. He can't have it both ways now.

He choose to get his redemption by portraying himself as the full-out victim because of him being used and abused as Sentihuman by his horrible father and that automatically means the moment it's revealed what Félix did to Adrien in "Strike Back" Félix has to stand fully accountable for what he did to his cousin while then abandoning him defenseless at the mercy of his insane abusive Father who is Monarque. Félix CHOOSE to do that despite his own backstory as abused Sentichild. If Adrien is still okay today than that's thanks to Nathalie and ironically Gabriel's own damn still always decreasing tolerance for Adrien's rebellious behavior.

And with that being said: I damn hope the girls find out about it in season 6. Marinette, Kagami, get his ENTIRE ass for literally selling Adrien out to his extreme dangerous, highly abusive, controlling and outright insane madman of a father with a fucking smug SMILE on his face!

[trashart00]

Tried to make one of those hidden wallpapers

[exhausted-pathetic-bitch]

so you mean

more trauma for ladybug

and more fear for marinette

great. every time i saw this i cant stop crying. this girl just experienced most horrible things. this girl just wanted to be happy and you have decimated her hopes. chloe (i like her but now ugh) pecking and blaming on her for not being able to guard the miraculous, lila too and the media who always say she power hungry. this girl just had enough of this bs and sht. im crying rn mentally unstable. i hope she'll heal she doesnt deserve this. i hope she'll can manage her feelings. she had gone so far, she's staying strong

[miraculouslycool]

In the midst of Marinette's distress about emotions she thinks she isn't allowed to feel I just hope that she remembers that when she thought everything was lost because she loved a boy, it was that same boy who held her through a panic attack and gave her a safe place to detransform, so loving someone who loved her when she was at her worst couldn't be all that bad, can it?

[geekgirles]

How the Gift scene should have felt:

How it actually felt due to all the leaks:

[jelly-guiro]

I loved season 4 season finale's angst. The Ladynoir payoff was great!

Anyway. Here's my redrawing of that frame that I made back when the episode aired and I forgot to post.

[fandomrouletteburrito]

You know what I think they’re doing in those whatif episodes? Especially the placing of the episodes. Showing what would happen if Adrien faced Hawkmoth when he isn’t ready.

Season 3

During these episodes, Ladybug gets another piece of the complicated puzzle that Chat Noir is made of. In Chat Blanc, she knew something about Chat Noir was capable of being broken enough to be akumatized.

What we also learned was Adrien isn’t ready to break the chains his father has placed on him.

Season 3 for Adrien was about getting truly comfortable with being Chat Noir with realizing that what he can be for Ladybug is to just be himself as Chat Noir. That he doesnt need to be perfect Adrien via Aspik, Adrien is the best for Ladybug when he is Chat Noir, which also as we know is just another side of Adrien. He doesnt need to shut out his Chat Noir side to be by Ladybug’s side by just being Aspik. This is much more reinforced in Kuro Neko which I get to later.

Season 4

At this time in the series Adrien is only beginning to be challenged in his role as part of the Miraculous team in season 4. I say challenged because up until now he could very safely say he is vital to the team since Ladybug was 1) not the Guardian until then 2) there are only a few heroes and Ladybug calls on them ONLY after he and Ladybug attempt to handle things by themselves. This changes in season 4 where she calls on them pretty much whenever she wants and not after first trying with Chat Noir.

Totally unrelated but I really liked that despite Chat Noir giving up his miraculous Ladybug NEVER even considers continuing without a Chat Noir, which to me just states that she understands the importance of the Cat miraculous. Which she also needed to understand to find another one(cough failed since she ended up going back to the original heheh and I love her for it).

In the end of the season 4 though, Chat Noir is left beginning to understand the value that he by himself has, we can see this in the last scene where he tells Ladybug that she hasn’t lost him yet. He is capable of doing this because he KNOWS he is important to Ladybug and that he is enough to bring her back on her feet. Maybe he doesn’t understand fully but I am sure he will in time. Also notice in Ephemeral he faced hawkmoth ALONE, which maybe Im reading too much into it also shows he isn’t ready to resist akumatization by himself BUT we also see him beginning to when Marinette calls to him for help while he is akumatized.

We get Kuro Neko directly after Ephemeral which is important because uptil Ephemeral we see Chat Noir continue to feel left out and undervalued. But in Kuro Neko this is beginning to be addressed which again undoes the feelings that likely helped Adrien get akumatized.

So how does this end?

I bet when Adrien finds out about hawkmoth, there will be a scene where Ladybug parallels that scene telling him that he hasn’t lost her. Where she reaches out and shows him that she is there for HIM.

And how do we get to that scene?

In Chat Blanc we saw Chat Noir use - fight as his reaction

In Ephemeral he used - freeze

I am willing to bet he will use flight, find Ladybug and thats when Ladybug supports him enough to face reality, together with her.

I think whats going to happen when Chat Noir finds out about his dad its going to involve him needing to successfully resist akumatization. I think this is very likely too since we have already seen many characters successfully resist it and I’m sure we will see the same from Adrien in time.

But through each season Adrien gets a little bit more ready to break away from his fathers control and his bond with Ladybug gets stronger.

Thoughts?