dreamsexterminator

[givemewallywestorgivemedeath]

K, who wants to bet that DC:War Zone ends with a tease or a reveal that Iris is pregnant?

We've gotten five pages of the ten page story in the preview and they've already brought up Iris wanting kids and being frustrated that Barry isn't around enough. They also just had Barry's fantasy world revolve around having kids with Iris and he had a mental breakdown about balancing kids with work in endless winter (which ended with him retiring from the JL, cough cough, nudge nudge, hint hint, he was clearly putting parenting first) and we had Iris mention 'two surprises' for Barry at the end of the last run (granted, they didn't outright say she was pregnant and storylines get dropped in between writers but still). Also Barry is supposed to be having a midlife crisis in OMW and I think finding out that you are going to be a father would be midlife crisis worthy (especially to Barry, the man with extreme anxiety, who panicked and retired from the Justice League at the hypothetical idea that he'd be a bad father to his hypothetical children if he couldn't manage his time well)

So I'm willing to bet that the next five pages will at least tease Iris being pregnant.

[softpine]

Can you recap your legacy? I don't have time to read it start to finish 😭

of course i can!! i linked the relevant posts so make sure to check those out 💖 sorry this is long, i tried soo hard to keep it brief!!

rosie met isa in selvadorada ► rosie’s parents died, so rosie & isa became owen & isaac’s parents ► eva shows up with beth ► caroline is born (and we find out that at a certain point in the future, caroline’s location is unknown to her parents) ► caroline and beth are bffs  ► they meet danny and become close friends ► danny and beth both have a crush on caroline ► caroline and danny start dating (with beth’s permission) ► beth gets threatened by angelica► tension builds between caroline and her parents► caroline sees angelica bullying beth, so she fights her► caroline finds a porn mag and questions her sexuality► beth starts dating jody  ► caroline starts selling drugs for arrow► danny and beth find out about it and are worried ► caroline suspects that beth is in love with her ► danny finds caroline’s drawings of naked girls and worries she’ll break up with him for beth► danny & caroline make official plans to move to del sol valley after hs► caroline invites beth to come too but she declines► caroline realizes arrow is bad news but it’s too late to back out► caroline realizes she’s bi ► and comes out to danny ►caroline has a dream that arrow sets her up to be arrested ► caroline goes to the police about arrow► she goes undercover and takes them down► beth and jody break up► then get back together ► then break up for good► beth hooks up with caroline’s cousin and caroline feels….. strange about it► caroline daydreams about kissing beth► the relationship between caroline & her parents becomes strained► angelica has a breakdown and confesses her love for beth (and beth rejects her)► owen is going to be a dad (+ this) ► caroline realizes she has feelings for beth► beth and angelica make up (but they’re not friends or dating)► caroline gets herself expelled► has a massive fight with her parents► danny’s mom tells caroline to break up with him► he actually breaks up with her when she tells him she’s been lying about smoking► she goes to beth and they end up kissing► caroline interprets it as a rejection so she leaves while beth is asleep► she plans on moving to del sol valley alone► danny realizes he can’t be without her so they get back together► and leave for dsv together► this is what happens during the 3 month time skip► beth now has 4 (four!!) casual relationships and parties frequently► caroline misses beth a lot and is just very sad in general ► owen & jo have a baby boy named samuel “jett” donovan ► caroline calls to congratulate him► caroline sees a vision of a little boy who she believes to be her future son► she thinks she’s pregnant► she takes a test but it’s negative► she and danny break up► danny basically tells her to be with beth► caroline goes home!!► and meets jett► and works on bettering herself► danny and mikaela are goofballs► beth finds out danny and caroline broke up► kristy pushes beth to talk to caroline again ► beth & caroline reunite ► and then kiss!!!!! ► casper calls danny “daddy” and mikaela is embarassed► but danny says he would have been honored to be cas’ dad ► he & mikaela kiss ► cara has another vision of the little boy, and talks to him  ► danny gets a record deal ► caroline has a terrifying ghost encounter (?) ► caroline starts working as a tattoo apprentice in newcrest ► and moves into an apartment with beth  ►danny gets his “caroline forever” tattoo covered up.. by caroline  ► caroline passes out ► the little boy says he won’t visit her anymore, and everyone finds out caroline is pregnant ► she doesn’t know if she should keep the baby ► danny is freaked out but mikaela is chill  ► cara decides to keep it ► still hasn’t told her family yet  ► danny is getting more famous & releases his first single► cara & beth go to a mommy & me group ► where the ghost lady is alive and well (and pregnant)► mikaela’s sister comes to visit ► and turns out to be really mean :( ► rosie & isa visit caroline and find out she’s pregnant ► beth thinks about quitting ballet► beth tells her mom what she’s nervous about► danny is really stressed  ► the four of them go on a babymoon to granite falls►  danny & caroline have a real talk about them being parents► beth sees the child (that previously, only cara saw) and she thinks she’s dreaming. ► beth is thinking about quitting (professional) ballet ► ASA IS BORN!! :’) ► cara has anxiety about leaving asa with anyone else  ► danny has to go back to DSV for work, but he’s worried about having to go on tour ► beth plans on proposing to cara ► but cara already bought a ring for beth► they go to selvadorada ► and cara almost proposes, but gets interrupted ► BETH PROPOSES AND THEY GET ENGAGED!! ► danny decides not to go on tour, even if it means being less successful in his career► while asa is staying at danny’s, he breaks out and wanders off to a cemetery, where he sees his future self with someone named finn. ► the news reports that brindleton bay is reopening a cold case involving “griffin atwood”’s death. and TMZ discovers danny’s secret “baby mamas”. ► casper is devastated to learn that danny isn’t his real dad, but danny reassures him that he loves him just the same ► mikaela believes that she was the leak, because she told her sister everything.► and we get some flashbacks to her teen years! (her relationship with olivia, how her mother raised them, her meeting casper’s bio father, and how she promised olivia she would never leave without her)► and mikaela realizes she can still make up with olivia  ► it’s halloween, and while the kids are trick or treating, asa sees a “friend” standing on the porch of an abandoned home (aka, finn) ► beth and cara get MARRIED!! ► and go on their honeymoon  ► asa gets older► and part two (aka, “frozen pines”) officially begins!► asa is morbidly curious about death ► asa has a bad dream (showing his fear of being forgotten)► mikaela, danny, casper, and honey take a trip to mikaela’s home town of willow creek ► danny tells casper he’s planning on proposing to mikaela & asks if casper wants to be legally adopted by him► mikaela goes to talk to olivia, where she shares her life story  ► and they reunite► DANNY PROPOSES ;-; ► we meet asa & jett’s friends, jada and elaine, for the first time  ► finn sees them for the first time  ► jett tells asa that his parents are fighting constantly  ► casper meets a cute girl named iris  ► jett is curious about gender….   ► finn speaks to asa even though asa can’t hear him► danny has a midlife crisis ► finn starts following asa around and speaking to him constantly, getting more and more angry ► aileen, wearing the infamous black dress, drops jada off at cara’s (and we hear the “i don’t feel good, will you take me to the hospital?” line)► aileen nearly runs into the kids, while finn is watching, and he freaks out and smashes her car, killing her instantly  ► ghost aileen watches cara talk to her ► mikaela and danny get married!!!► casper throws a small party while mik & dan honeymoon. talon kisses him during a game of spin the bottle ► asa has been seeing aileen’s ghost every night since she died, and he’s getting sick of it

NOW YOU’RE CAUGHT UP! (as of 3.07.2020)

[jade4813]

I Finally Did The Thing

So, a while ago, someone who will remain nameless sent me some SB points (purporting to be proof that there is a plan in place for romantic SB) to get my brother’s reaction on them - as a writer and as a person who is frequently and hilariously pained. I’m not going to post the OP here, but I’ll sum up the points and give his reaction for the amusement of those who are interested. As this is long, it’s under the cut. (My husband gets in on this a time or two, as well.)

Point 1: Caitlin’s feelings for and attachment to Barry are the reason she wouldn’t leave town with Ronnie. Barry has been compared to Ronnie. Caitlin’s feelings for Barry superseded her feelings for Ronnie and her desire to stay could only be romantic.

My brother: “Sure. That holds up in a court of law. And you’re an attorney, you should know. It’s like what When Harry Met Sally said 20 years ago. Men and Women can’t be friends. Wait…almost 30 years ago. Jesus Christ.”

Me: “Did I just give you a midlife crisis? We just got started, here!”

Him: “A little. Carry on.”

Point 2: Everyman didn’t HAVE to kiss Cailtin, but he felt there was something between them, in the way Caitlin interacted with Barry. And she kissed back, so she has feelings for Barry.

Me: “That was a noise. How do you type that, do you think? Mmmfg?”

Him: “Maybe rrrrrr. Wait. ARE YOU WRITING THIS DOWN?”

Me: “…No.”

Him: “Okay.”

Point 3: Caitlin was unhappy when she saw the byline because it told her that she had no future with Barry. She probably married Ronnie because she realized she had no future with Barry because of the byline. It doesn’t help that Barry was pining after Iris the whole time.

Him: “What…what…how?”

My Husband: “Answer his questions in order, honey.”

Me: “In answer to your questions…I dunno!”

My Brother: “Okay, I’m following what you’re saying; I’m not following the crazy. I just – I kind of have Stockholm Syndrome right now. How far into the show are we?”

Me: “Season 1.”

Him: “Oh good.”

Me: “Do you not remember?”

Him: “I drink to forget. Carry on.”

Point 4: Cisco warned them about creating a causal nexus if they change time. Iris decided to date Barry to avoid the causal nexus.

Him: “WHAT THE FUCK IS A CAUSAL NEXUS?”

Me: “A creation of the show. Like a paradox.”

Him: “How…what?”

Me: “You’re going to have to come up with new questions. I’ve answered those.”

Him: “You DID NOT!”

My Husband: “I’m glad you’re laying it on his doorstep and not mine.”

My Brother: “No! Really! I need to know this! How is Iris loving Barry a paradox?”

Me: “Because she only does so because of destiny, I guess they’re saying?”

Him: “But how is…that doesn’t even have any relation to the show! To what the show has presented!”

Me: “You have to remove watching the actual show and I guess reason from this process.”

Him: “Oh is THAT what I have to remove?”

There was some screaming.

My Husband: “I was expecting more of, like, “How did expletive deleted they get expletive deleted out of the show?”

Me: “At least now we’re in season 2.”

My Brother: “Oh thank god we finally got there. I don’t think I could have stood much more of season 1.”

Point 5: Caitlin falling for Jay was probably her projecting her feelings for Barry onto someone just like him.

Him: “…What?”

Me: “Caitlin falling…”

Him: “No. I understand all the words you said in that sentence, but strung together, it doesn’t make any sense. I know I speak the language. I’m just kind of cocking my head confused. How is the fake Jay Garrick like Barry?”

Me: “THEY HAVE SPEEDSTER POWERS!”

Him: “…All right. Sure. Let’s move on. But…No. Didn’t the real Jay…she didn’t fall in love with the real Jay!”

Me: “No. He was Zoom. But he’s just like Barry. I guess.”

Him: “But…she didn’t fall in love with Reverse Flash.”

Me: “Well, she didn’t know her feelings yet!”

Him: “So she has a thing for people with speed?”

Me: “But Iris is the one who only loves Barry because he’s Flash. Caitlin only loves substitutes for Barry. And if she doesn’t love them, they aren’t substitutes for Barry.”

Him: “So why is she not fucking Usain Bolt?”

My Husband: “Because he’s black?”

My Brother: “Jesus.”

Point 6: The only real conversation between Caitlin and Iris has been about destiny - that Iris is destined to be with Barry and Caitlin doesn’t believe in destiny. This could be prophetic.

Him: “Because this show is all about the Bechdel test.”

Me: “Prophetic? But weren’t they saying the scene is about how Iris will be with Barry and Caitlin will, you know, not? So I guess that is prophetic. Were they trying to say ironic?”

Him: (whispering) “I don’t think this person knows. I’m just waiting to see where we go with this.”

Point 7: Iris told Barry her feelings when he was at his lowest point, having lost Caitlin. He needed emotional support, and Iris was there. Of course, the show can’t have Iris with Barry when Caitlin is around. Caitlin has to be entirely removed to give Westallen a shot. By the time Caitlin gets back, three episodes later, the damage is done and she’s already begun her transformation.”

Him: “Except she didn’t transform at that point. And there are a lot of scenes were Iris and Caitlin are together and Barry pulls Iris aside.  WHAT THE FUCK SHOW IS THIS PERSON WATCHING?”

Me: “You’d think they’d at least watch the scenes with Caitlin in them. And note it has nothing to do with the fact that the only reason Barry talked to Caitlin as he did in Season 1 was because he couldn’t talk to Iris about his feelings for her. They used Caitlin as a stand-in FOR IRIS, and once he could talk to Iris, that was no longer needed.”

Him: “Is there more to this?”

Me: “Yes.”

Him: “Oh Jesus.” (weakly) “Okay…I need to go to the grocery store soon and get more alcohol.”

Me: “They’re ignoring that Barry didn’t go save Caitlin for those three episodes, too.”

Him: “They’re ignoring like 2/3 of plot of the show! We could have a longer conversation about what they’re ignoring than what they’re paying attention to. Let’s just take it for granted they’re ignoring shit, at this point.”

Point 8: Caitlin has always kept track of Barry’s love life, but they didn’t talk about it when he started dating Iris. Friends talk about that stuff. It was clear in episode 3.07 that she’s jealous.”

Him: “…I’m processing. Give me a minute. … Okay…I think what’s going on there, is that in that episode, Caitlin didn’t specifically say “it’s so great you’re together” but she wanted to kill everybody including the two of them. So…essentially, this is like saying Jack the Ripper should have said some of the people he murdered “but congratulations on your recent engagement. I mean, I’m going to kill you…but congratulations!”

Me: “Only if he wasn’t jealous…The only reason not to say that is if he’s jealous they’re engaged.”

Him: “…Sure.”

Me: “That’s what they’re saying.”

Him: “…Let’s just move on. This getting difficult for me. We’re clearly in season 3. Thank fucking god.”

Point 9: Barry is closest to Caitlin and brought her crying to the surface.

I ACCIDENTALLY SKIPPED THIS ONE! DAMN IT! I’m totally going to tell him tomorrow.

Point 10: Killer Frost didn’t have to kiss Barry but she did. There was no other reason for them to do it. “We’ve dissected that moment into hundreds of gifs and even rotated the pictures.” He responded. That may have been GG’s feelings for DP coming through. But he kissed back, and she didn’t have to kiss him.

Him: “…Yes, yes. Oh good, good. You’ve dissected the moment. That is the action of a sane person. That is something normal people do. TRUST ME. No, it’s the rest of the world. You’re okay, babe. MOST PROBABLY it was GG being in love with DP. Most probably. When else does an actor every kiss an actress?”

Me: “And also, I mean, he doesn’t kiss back.”

Him: “But even if he did. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT???”

Me: “Because it’s endgame and the only way to see it is to slow it down and enhance it to find these signs but it’s clear that it’s endgame.”

Him: “Well, I have a picture of me kissing an actress and it looks like I’m kissing her, but I’m not. She’s engaged to someone else. And I’m not interested in her that way. These people are obsessed with TV but fundamentally don’t understand how shows are made!”

Me: “Also forgetting that kissing is canonically her attack.”

Him: “That’s like saying that when Poison Ivy kissed Batman…they’re saying Uma Thurman really is in love with George Clooney. And that Poison Ivy has a thing for Batman. But with GG and DP. They’re saying that Uma Thurman and George Clooney are really in love.”

Me: “Maybe if you slow it down and dissect and rotate the pictures. Have you tried that?”

Him: “THAT IS NOT HOW ACTING WORKS!”

Point 11: We can tell Caitlin has feelings for Barry because she patches him up as Caitlin. “As Killer Frost, she shows that by ripping him to shreds (emotionally), stabbing him with an icicle, and kissing him to death (almost)…”

Him: “WOULD YOU JUST REREAD THAT LAST SENTENCE? WOULD JUST REREAD THE SENTENCE YOU JUST WROTE???”

Me: “I have talked to you about some of your exes. We can both agree that the only way to show love is to rip the other person to shreds emotionally, stab each other, and kiss each other to death.”

Him: “Well, that was in the 90s…it was a crazy time. I was wrong.”

Point 11, continued: THAT IS NOT FRIENDSHIP! Caitlin can’t accept that yet, but Killer Frost is helping her see that.

Him: “I would agree with that. That’s the first thing that I’m like…Rrrright. Remember that time I was possessed by a demon and I murdered everyone I knew? I think we can agree that wasn’t a friendly gesture. Also, patching him up isn’t friendship. It’s kind of her job."

As additional points, I reminded him of the following:

Caitlin froze Barry offscreen. The only way she could have done this is if she kissed him.

Him: “Definitely! Yup! This sounds like a sane theory. None of this sounds like China invented global warming crazy. None of this sounds like vaccines create autism crazy. This is legit.”

Barry saw her holding a baby and SB fans think he thought at first it was his. So we don’t know what will happen. SB IS ENDGAME!

Him: “…But…I mean…in…" (sigh) (sigh) "a…mmmg….let me sit down and collect…collect this thought…A…like…I…a…all right. Like…even…if you have in a dream…okay, all right, do people understand that in dreams, people…Like…like…like… All right.”

This seems to be the moment I actually broke him.

“Sure, man, sounds legit. … I got nothin’. Nothin’ more for you. I’m drained. This is…i…i…i…the last part, like, it’s not…yeah, if this were…a self-contained universe…but like, sure yeah, we don’t know who he’s going to end up with. All of this made me hurt.

Me: “But as a writer, would you say -?”

Him: “NO. To the answer you’re formulating. NO. NO NO NO. No. First of all, the ones they picked out…no. Just no. No. I mean, I wouldn’t rule out that they couldn’t do a sudden plot twist in a contained universe. But this isn’t and…no. No, no no! No! No is the answer to your question. NO! I …y-y-you’re really…you have…if…let me put it this way…if they did that sudden plot twist and I went back and saw foreshadowing…But…no…I wouldn’t be sitting there being like “I see this one coming you asshole.” That’s not how it works! Especially on TV. We’re pulling it out of our asses as we go, for the most part. In the case of most TV shows, they don’t write a season at a time, they’re just making it up as I go along.”

Me: “I’m curious. As a general audience member, because I’m so much closer to it than you are. If SB happened, would you be able to go back and rewatch and see it coming? Or would it be -?”

Him: “I’d think they pulled it out of their asses. That is pretty much pulled out of an asshole. They didn’t know what the fuck to do, so they said fuck it, throw the script out! But I’m also saying, I can kinda tell when I’m watching shows, how they’re made. If they’re made with an intent in mind or if they’re made up on the spot. And Flash is fundamentally a show made up on the spot. Season to season, they have a general idea of where this is all going. But I don’t think episode to episode they know exactly what the next episode would be. And I certainly think when they made the first season, they were just like “We’re making a show about a fast guy.” So it’s kind of a little inside baseball. You watch the pitcher and catcher and they obviously know what they want to do for the next nine innings, but they don’t necessarily know what the next pitch will be. You can see when they’ve mapped it out versus when they just kind of go with it. The Flash clearly has an idea of where it wants to go season to season, and the story they want to tell overall. They don’t necessarily have episodes planned out. But from what they’ve done, you can see the overall plan…it isn’t SB. So if they did SB, it would be like “Oh, they were just reaching…” I would totally assume that was an asspull. In a contained universe, they could change their mind and go there if they wanted. But as of right now, that isn’t a thing they’re moving towards at all. It’s an asspull. Is that…are we done?”

Me: “For now. I’ll have more next week, I’m sure.”

Him: “I’m…I’m gonna start drinking now.”