#sonya malconaire

[forgottenroisin]

OOC | Malconaires (OG & Step)

hi, guys! here's smth absolutely no one asked for! heehee so, since we've been talking heraldry (my fav subject! alksjdfklsjdf) i wondered if anyone had any thoughts on the malconaires' heraldic devices etc? both re: the og malconaires AND valentina's formerly-royal birth fam?

i know that kate the great had mentioned asp that she envisions eithne in cool colors and esp greens? in heraldry, green is emblematic of hope, joy, and loyalty in love all of which feels v them to me! honestly, i also associate them w green a lot, too, bc they give lotsa plant and nature symbolism for me <3 but im open to any/everything!! i just thought that might be a place to start talking abt it if we're interested heehee

for valentina's fam...i tend to associate both val and cassimir w black just bc i think they both dress that way a lot hahaha (in heraldry that stands for constancy or grief which alsjdfkjsf but anyway) but yeah obv this is also just a jumping-off point for chatting abt it there're endless possibilities!

yknow what...imma put a list here of colors and their heraldic meanings for us:

TINCTURES

or (yellow/gold): generosity and elevation of the mind

argent (white/silver): peace and sincerity

gules (red): warrior or martyr; military strength and magnanimity

azure (blue): truth and loyalty

vert (green): hope, joy, and loyalty in love

sable (black): constancy or grief

pupure (purple): royal majesty, sovereignty, and justice

tawny/tenné (orange/brown): worthy ambition

sanguine/murray (maroon): patience in battle, and yet victorious

furs (ermines, erminois, vair, counter vair, pean, potentnt counter potent): dignity

DIFFERENCES/MARKS OF CADENCY (often used to delineate cadet branches so this probs allies to valentina and her brood but pls note that these symbols do not ~always indicate these things mostly only do so when used in conjuction w another charge -- for example if we take, say, house lannister from asoiaf, a lion w a crescent [usually placed almost like an asterisk or a period] would indicate that person is either themselves the second son or descended from a second son from house lannister -- tho the way grrm tends to handle this is the other way of doing it which is switching colors and things like that similar to what we did w house varmont so!! lots of possibilities but here's another way to do it if we want)

label: eldest son

crescent: second son

mullet: third son

marlet: fourth son

annulet: fifth son

fleur-de-lis: sixth son

rose: seventh son

cross moline: eighth son

double quatrefoil: ninth son

imma add a pic of these for reference since the meaning of these is somewhat obscure for a number of them (and it even shows how to do branches ~within cadet houses which could also be valuable for valentina and her kids alksjdfkjsdf):

i also have a v extensive list of charges and their meanings but its sooooo long i think id have to publish that as its own document hahaha or else i can just list possibilities if we choose a category (ex: birds, trees), if you like!

[forgotteneithne]

ooc || eithne & malconaire & i guess some family history?!

not even sure if this is meant to be an ooc thread with anyone or just some rambling of my thoughts that all stem out of me thinking "i need something for eithne beyond being sad and nice and pretty"? anyway, since its relating TO the malconaire estate & i'm realizing as i'm typing sort of the family history, here it is for everyone?!

i realize that i've been operating under the assumption that the Malconaire Estate is comparable to like an english country estate with tenants and farms and even a village of some sort with the family obviously still living in the manor/main house which may not be what the intention was?

but, continuing on the idea of a country estate style life for malconaire, clearly its gone a bit downhill since the war-- i don't know if the battle where lord m died took place ON (or near?) his landholdings but if that's the case then it could be some of the farmlands/tenant rentals/or even the village maybe? were damaged during the battle(s) an obviously valentina has had NO interest in spending her $$$ on estate improvements when she could buy herself nice things!!! but then obviously the estate is not bringing in much (any?!) money currently hence here we are.

anyway re: eithne & her role/relationship with the estate. since we've established she was meant to be her father's heir, she started learning how the estate operated with her father as soon as she was old enough-- probably starting doing things just like checking in on tenants, etc and then moving on to learning about managing the financial side of things and some knowledge about farming (i guess i've just decided they'd farm the lands?!) and really just instilling the idea that they are the caretakers of the land and the people who live there (which since i think we've established the malconaires are an old astairian family definitely harkens back to that idea of the ruling class caring for the citizens who care for the guardians!)

basically it was straight up engrained in eithne that she must carry on the responsibility of caring for malconaire and she was up for the challenge but now with this sus "will" naming cassimir the heir popping up and watching the whole thing get run into the ground of the past two years.. yeah its not great. i think she has some guilt regarding this but she knows that there isn't much she can DO to get control of the estate back (#thanksroderick) so she's been doing the best she can to try and keep some of it together. and while her sisters well being is very important to her and their safety in comfort is a big factor in her decision making for the future, feeling as if she needs to stay and take care of malconaire is a factor as well

if/when @forgottencassimir proposes, its definitely mostly for the good of the estate and all the people who still live there and depend on them for survival! even if the kindest richest most handsome man ever (who somehow has three extra castles for her sisters to live in!) showed up and proposed marriage to her, it would be very hard for her to abandon her family history and obligations to the estate for cassimir & valentina to take. i do think eithne will maybe have some conditions she will make with cassimir before the wedding which probably will ruffle valentina's feathers more than anything? (honestly step one: valentina moves into whatever version of the dowager house exists. step two: valentina gets a modest allowance, haha!) among she wants to re-employ any of the servants valentina has fired (honestly imagining that eithne does what she can to provide for them if they haven't found new jobs or left entirely!) and promote @forgottencillian to the state's steward (which in my mind was her father's plan that never got to happen because again #thanksroderick)

anyway, this is a bunch of rambling and i'm open to adapting anything of course especially regarding to WHAT malconaire estate actually is because this was all just in my head assumption nonsense, haha :)

[forgottenvalentina]

ok so, based on lizzy's idea of black w snakes, and paired w the fact that valentina's only v distantly related to royalty, this is a mockup i did for valentina's og crest! i went w sable/argent/vert/tawny as the primary color scheme (and am only just now putting together that i think i was really channeling house slytherin but whtever i stand by that we all know valentina'd be a slytherin lsdkfjklsdfkljsdf ANYWAY!! im thinking that the ram/serpent motif is the og royal one but the moline cross and crescent showcase that valentina is descended from the eighth son of a prince who was, himself, descended from the second son of a king soooo yeah, not exactly next in line till roderick decided to change all of that ;DDDD

Serpent: Wisdom, knowledge, defiance; fertility and renewal; medicine

Ram: Authority & leadership; strength, perseverence

Goat: Political ability, diplomat/diplomacy, practical wisdom; persistence and strength

Sable (black): Constancy or grief

Vert (green): Hope, joy, and loyalty in love

Argent (silver/white): Peace & sincerity

Tawny or Tenné (orange/brown): Worthy ambition

Crown: Heaven; victory, sovereignty, empire; success

Crescent: One who has been honored by the sovereign; hope/ hope of greater glory; service in holy war/House of the second son

Cross/Moline Cross: Service in holy war; faith/House of the eighth son (or, as used in conjunction with the crescent, house of an eighth son from the line of a second son)

Ermine or Fur: Dignity

ANYWAYYYY, when she got married that got adapted, and since she was of royal blood, her kids get to wear the crests of both their parents, perhaps smth...like...this...?

literally just used the first vaguely nautical sigil (since its the riverbend) w the default colors as an example to represent what their dad's sigil might've been, but yeah since their mom, being of royal blood, technically outranks their dad, they would have been permitted to slice their arms to use the sinister (no, really, that's just the word for 'left' in latin -- romans had weird supersticions abt the left and that's why sinister means what it means to us but, anyway, its what the mother's side is called when you get to use that and, obv, it therefore appears on the left -- as assigned from the pov of the person carrying the shield which pov i forgot when i initially made this which is why the words are backwards bc i flipped it since they later changed which side is sinister and which is dexter [right/paternal] lkasdjflkjsdflkj)

so yeah!! that's a mock up and i wondered what you thought? i def think the dad's side needs some work (im actually thinking, personally, that a portcullis could be cool esp bc its symbolic meaning is 'protection in an emergency' and that's precisely what valentina failed to give them aklsjdfkldsjfsdf annnd its what cassimir is sort of promising to eithne so yeah idk thought it had ~meaning but yeah anywayyy alksjdflkjsdf)

anyway!! smth along these lines would've been the family sigil that valentina and her kids would've been entitled to wear from the day of her marriage, so yeah! when valentina married lord m, the stepkids might've either quartered their arms (dad/val/mal/val probs), or they perhaps might've just left it as the above? once they were adopted (or 'adopted' ;D), the stepkids would've been entitlted to wear the malconaire arms. after her marriage, valentina probs took to using a val/malconaire split herself, but whatever her kids wanted to do would be their own call once they're formally entitled to use any arms they want etc. they could also potentially rest a crown over whatever their dad's sigil was to mark that they, themselves, are of royal blood, and valentina would defff encourage this and even more so after the rest of the royal line is wiped out laksjdfkljdsf

(also just realized i used a mullet instead of a moline in the second mockup, so just imagine that's a moline cross not a star on the cresent in the second one laksdjfklsdjafkljsdf this is why i really shouldn't try to do anything after a tag sale day hahaha)

anyway gonna respond to the overarching thing soon but when you set the challenge of 'like valles but not' i was like 'that sounds like fun!!' hahahaha (tho also lowkey hc'ing that they're related to the valles somehow -- we know the ~mega bad news came from house karr anyway soooo i think it works ;DDD)

[lizzydobbs]

lfr heightlines:

gentlemen:

6'2: Cassimir Malconaire, Eoin Varmont

6'1: Alister Grey

6'0: Godfrey Calanion, Percy Reaves, Alaric Varmont, Arthur Varmont

5'11: Tristan Calanion, Cillian Frost, Aleksander Royce, Sebastian Varmont

5'10: Bartholomew Varmont, Roderick Varmont, Edmund Varmont

ladies:

5'10: Aoife Malconaire, Valentina Malconaire

5'8: Ciara Varmont, Cassandra Varmont

5'7: Aria Stafford, Amira Varmont

5'6: Sonya Malconaire, Guinevere Varmont

5'5: Eilionora Stafford, Marian Varmont

5'4: Cecily Hamlen, Brigit Malconaire, Rose Malconaire

5'2: Eithne Malconaire

~ roderick being among the shortest men is v amusing ngl / all his sons being the same height or taller is a vibe ~

[forgottenamira]

OOC | Amira & Sonya

amira might have quite fe w co-queens atp but she does NOT want another one alsjdfkljdsf if she knows that valentina's tryna set up sonya w roderick, she will noT be abt that and i am so sorry in advance tbqh lakjsdfkljdsf

[forgottenronan]

OOC | Ronan & Sonya

so here i come w yet another frost kid ladkjsfkljdsf yes, i am indeed playing a whole family sldkfjajklsdff ANYYYYWAYYYYY hahahah i def think ronan thinks sonya is a lovely young woman and 100% deserves a better bio fam than she got laksjdfkljdsf ronan: how did she turn out this well honestly????

[forgottensaoirse]

OOC | Saoirse & Sonya

so saoirse is bffs w aoife and lil sister to cillian, which i def think means she'd have known sonya growing up!!! im still sort of working out her timeline but i believe she left the area to go to the ~county of lorcan for awhile, but she seems to be back now so im not sure exactly when the last time these two would've seen e/o is (whether she's been back here, say, two years or more like two days im not sure) but i can def say for sure that saoirse feels terrible for poor sonya!!!! she is NOT a fan of sonya's mom or bro and she's like 'damn that must suck' poor sonya!!!!!!

[forgottenalaric]

ooc | Alaric & Sonya

honestly @ sonya, I'm so sorry for alaric!!!!

He's been flirting w/ her a lot lately b/c she's pretty and accomplished and charming ... but mostly b/c he's got eyes for someone he can never have/doesn't want him and I'm really sorry b/c he might give off the vibes that he cares more than he does!!

[forgotteneilionora]

OOC | Eilionora & Sonya

that awkward moment when these two are both being pressured to become the bride of a tyrant emperor laksjdfjkdf Y I K E S ! ! ! if there's anyone whose position eilia can have sympathy for its sonya's bc they're in the same boat here alas!

[forgottengodfrey]

OOC | Godfrey & Sonya

ok so, since mom-of-the-year valentina is out here tryna make sonya roderick's 239478457384975th current wife, im sure sonya and godfrey have met! honestly, i think godfrey feels sorry for her like...even her best case scenario of becoming empress is a truly unenviable position (since his own sister is one, gdofrey feels sure abt this) and he's just like 'yikes' the more he learns abt her life sdljkfjklsdf #sonyadeservesbetter2k23

[forgottencillian]

OOC | Cillian & Sonya

so cillian is def a headache for sonya's mother and brother, but i def think less so for sonya! honestly he feels bad for her that she has them as her immediate family and considers her life to be nightmare fuel as far as ~he is concerned ngl hahaha so i def think he's got some compassion for her etc!!

however, i think he also has some trouble keeping that set firmly in mind sometimes bc he can be a touch tempestuous and so he'll sometimes probs make her already difficult life even MORE difficult so that's fun and im so sorry abt him in advance! bc i think sometimes he does sort of toss her into the same 'group' as her family and he's like 'these ppl! i can't anymore!' and then he fills her bath up with ice water or smth instead of the hot water she'd requested so she's in for a nasty shock bc cillian just can't take the way her brother's been creeping on eithne, and valentina's been trying to sell an old man into indentured servitude to pay off her debts anymore, and he just wants them to go away so he finds these lil ways to task them all and he just has to do SOMETHING to relieve his feelings and lkdsjafskljdflkj im sorry abt him

[forgottenroisin]

OOC | Malconaire Names

ok so now that we've got the parents named, i went on a lil [ name meaning ] spree and looked up all our kids! and i love how these all like...fit but in an unexpected way!!

Macdara -- son of oak

Sorcha -- radiant/bright, lady/princess/noblewoman, clear/bright/famous

Eithne — kernel, grain/little fire

Brigit — exulted one

Aoife — beauty/to breathe, to live

Roisin — little rose/little famous type/kind

while im at it...imma hit up the ~vasilieva!malconaires, too!

Valentina -- strong/vigorous/healthy/fertile

Cassimir -- DESTROYER OF WORLDS lkdfjksdaljfjld...anyyyywayyyy (literally it means 'to destroy peace/the world')

Sonya -- little wisdom/little lover of knowledge

i was gonna do a lil chatting/meta abt how this fits rosie but im too laskdjflksdjfkdsf about cassimir's name!!!! valentina whatre you doing alksjdfkljsdf i know she dreamed of having a son her whole life so there's no way she didn't know what his name meant and alksdjflkjsdkfjlsdf ngl i always assumed he was named for some famous king they're like ~vaguely related to or smth like that, but still like alkjsdflkjdsjkfjkdsf OMGGGGGG OBLITERATOR OF PEACE -- its legit like naming ur kid 'ruiner' like someone put this innocent newborn she'd carried for nine months in her arms and she was like 'THIS is the only name for him' laksdjfkljdsjfjkdsf kernal/grain/little fire that's basically like naming ur kid 'hope' like....

HOPE x RUINER = NOTP for her w/ valentina truly be like 'yknow the kid in this pairing whose parents really messed them up???? EITHNE' kaljsdfkljdjslfjkdsf SCREAM

rosie's meta's gonna have to wait...god, i really shoulda put this on @forgottenvalentina -- i didn't knowwwwww until it was too late alksjdfklsdjf

[forgottensebastian]

ooc | Sebastian & Sonya

I feel like Sebastian and Sonya might just get along? He's not one to judge anyone quickly & I also think he might be able to spot that Sonya's also living with an overly controlling parent who does NOT have their children's best interests in mind/using them as a pawn in their own game?? Like Seb is pretty perceptive and I think there's a certain sadness that both of them have from their different situations and I can actually see them maybe getting on pretty well? Thoughts??

[forgottenvalentina]

so here's a mockup of what cassimir/sonya's family crest would look like when quartered with the malconaire arms! if/when eithne marries cassimir, cassimir'd also be entitled to make the second/lower quarter that currently bears the second crest of the house of vasilieva with the arms of the house of lorcan to spice it up with a bit more color ;DDDDD

ANYWAYY!! this is v much just a mockup and obv the portcullis is just a stand in bc that's not been approved yet, plus the site i use doesn't have the capacity to execute it the way it should be done etc etc but this'll give us a sense to go off of if you, like me, are visually focused hahaha

but ill show that off in a bit, for now i have alternate mockups as usual! so here's how valentina will be displaying their arms when its under her perview (aka everything gets a crown bc she's their mama and of the blood royal!):

obv cassimir and sonya can also display it a la the above since they, too, are of the blood royal, valentina being their mama. however, if they choose to, they can also wear it sans crowns (so can valentina, she simply never would choose that short of roderick, himself, demanding it, which...could def happen asp hahaha):

so here's how that looks -- i didn't remove the crowns from house vasilieva's bc that is in fact a royal crest so the crown is part of it, however they could wear it without that as well its all up to them hahah

ok so here's what cassimir's + eithne's family crest might look like, were she to marry cassimir! now this one's a lil funky bc like...she's marrying someone w her own crest, right, since her husband's her adopted brother (supposedly) alksdjfkljdsfj so i went back and forth on how to structure this one alksdjfkljdsf bc where the sinister and dexter should be is kinda wonky and really it should be structured like:

FIRST DEXTER: malconaire/vasilieva splice

SECOND DEXTER: portcullis/vasilieva splice

FIRST SINISTER: malconaire OR malconaire/lorcan splice

SECOND SINISTER: lorcan OR malconaire/lorcan splice repeat

but they don't have that structure available on the site so i made due

also i didn't include any crowns on hers (except the mural crown around the swan neck which isn't [necessarily -- arthur has one too and possibly edmund too? tho this could go either way since he wasn't actively fighting, just commanding, as far as i know? but he ~did win the battle, so roderick probs would've awarded him its use, and whether or not he chose to use it would be up to him -- but in their cases they are also of course imperial] a royal crown but an earned crown of war won through bravery and strategy, etc, which i just figured the lorcans would have, given their history) bc im guessing she's not going CASSIMIR FOR EMPEROR or anything like her stepmama is hahaha but i can certainly add them back in!!!

eithne herself, as well as any children they might have, could also choose to wear this (and frankly might prefer to) w everything basically swapped to showcase that malconaire is HER house and he just married it, basically hahaha and that'd just be the above in effectively mirror image so more or less like so:

but that would def be a big STATEMENT™ to make, ESP on any potential kids, and it'd def get ppl talking and be lowkey scandalous etc tbqh bc she'd be publically saying CASSIMIR AINT NO MALCONAIRE hahah so yeah that's an option too ;D that being said rosie would HAPPILY make that for her in banners, flags, pennants, dresses, anything she likes hahaha so she'd def have the ability to do that if she so chose ;DDDDD

also now im picturing:

rosie: ive decided to stop fighting this, eithne. you're marrying cassimir, fine. as a gesture to show i accept that this marriage is happening, i've made you a wedding dress.

and it's this alksdjflksjdkfjlds

[forgottencassandra]

ooc | Cassandra & Sonya

I feel like Cassandra has conflicting emotions/ideas about Sonya and she's not quite sure how she feels about her tbh?? I think, at first, she was prone to dislike her just because she has it in her head that Eithne/Arthur are an otp and it looks like Sonya is trying to get in the way of this (Cass doesn't know her mom is putting her up to it ... nor is Eithne/Arthur the epic love story she's decided it is #faceplam)

But I do think that she would start to have complicated feelings about Sonya when she finds out that she and Guin are such good friends and Cassandra really values Guin's thoughts and opinions on so many things that I think she would start to wonder if maybe she's got Sonya all wrong -- especially if she ever joined the two of them for tea or something and got to just talk to Sonya away from her mom and brother and everything???

[forgottencassimir]

ooc | Cassimir & Sonya

So Cassimir isn't the greatest guy, but I do think he loves his family (at least as much as anyone like him can love anyone) and he does want Sonya to be happy (just not at the expense of his own happiness, of course).

There's literally no one more important to him than his mom & his sister and like, they literally escaped execution together, so that's gotta be a pretty big bonding experience. I'm sure he sometimes sides with his mom when she's being cruel to Sonya (he's her brother and he ofc, likes to pick on her -- especially when his own pride has been hurt and he uses her to feel superior) but I do think that there's been more times when he will actually stick up to her to his mom, too.

I also think he's pretty protective of her and feels a great responsibility towards her/he also means to decide what future is best for her as the man of the household, etc, and he probably was once going to find her a very wealthy lord or something, but now he is very much convinced that she should marry Roderick or Arthur (even though he's not a fan of either of them, they are Varmonts and they are powerful and they are wealthy, so that makes them the best!!!)

Cassimir can be affectionate/considerate towards those he loves, but no one is exempt from his anger/wrath when he is displeased, so yeah idk what Sonya thinks about Cassimir, but they probably have a dysfunctional relationship, at best??