#st chamond

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he French Char Saint-Chamond showing the overhanging front hull and the later M.1897 75 mm field gun. 1917/18.

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St-Chamond, la Croix Berthaud.

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Si tu est de Dunkerque ou St Chamond tu est bienvenue ici.

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Lots of St. Chamond dev going on.

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St chamond my beloved

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I've almost gotten through all quiet of the western front and the legitimate historical references used are really doing it for me. The, named shells, the "g45", the st chamond (albiet I wish I got to see ft-17s). Its all *chefs kiss*. Hopefully I'll actually get to finish it this week lol

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Wednesday 13 August 1834

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11 40

twenty minutes quietly with A- before getting up fine morning F68° at 6 ¼ am  - made tea for A- off in cabriolet to Firminy at 7 25 – good road  (only opened 5 years ago – the old road considerably to the right and [very] up and down) all the way except thro’ the village of Chamond or some such name – and there the street narrow and pavé terrible – the street to be widened and made good – a few houses already rebuilt and set back – left the town of Firminy (left) and drove down to the coal mine or rather coal quarry and there at 8 50 – the ingénieur not there –would not come till 11 – lives in the chateau – in ½ hour in the quarry – exactly like  a common stone quarry, only coal instead of stone – quarrying enormous masses - 100 workmen - the piqueurs earn 2/25 and the carries 1/75 per day - as much as a man carry of large pieces sells for 4 sols - 3 men killed 7 months ago by the falling down of a mass of rock - drove to the chateau - Mr Morillo (ingénieur or chef des mines de Firminy) at home – very civil – would return with me to the coal quarry – and had the horse put up at the chateau – above an hour shewing me all over the quarry and explained about the steam engine pump - 24 horse power - much power lost by being at such a distance from the works and communicating with the well by iron bars 100 yards length? but the ground so tender so full of old mines, and given to fall in, that they durst not sink the pit or well nearer - this pit 20 toises deep, but the pump only brought up the water to ½ way and then it runs off by an old gallery - the water I saw forming a little cascade from the top into the quarry and thence by an old gallery is turned there on purpose - the mine here often on fire - afraid of it now so has turned the water down - the numberless old galleries and wet and pyrites cause the fire - will be obliged to Noyer the mine, fill it with water once every 3 years - of course, prefers doing it in winter - this mine worked as now (au jour) only 3 years - was worked before underground in the common way - the different proprietors of the soil worked the coal and made nothing of it - the mine was given up - coal immediately under the row of houses that bounds the quarry to the east, but the proprietors not willing to take a reasonable price, so the coal company prefers having the coal - but when they have got it 4 or 5 yards from the houses, they have only had 12ft. of

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soil to remove  they are now taking off about 20ft. deep of stuff, soil and shale, and a vein of grit stone about 10in. thick  - they throw the stuff back, and make into ground again what they do not want to quarry - this company gets 500,000 quintaux métriques (1 quintal metre= 100kilos) per annum that is, one-fourteenth of all the coal got per annum in the basin houlier (coal basin of St. Etienne and Rive de Gier) and one-sixth of all the coal got into the St. Etienne district - only 3 years qu’on a travaille à découvert (in open quarry) as at present - La couche du Breuil (i.e. coal, 40, 50, 60,70, to 80ft. thick - La benne  corve) pèse en gros morceaux 150 kilos environ - 10 to 12 bennes in cubic metre of coal - sells here for 1/30, 1/. and six sols le benne - sur 2040 bennes got last year on peut avoir gagné 60,000fr., but this was an extraordinary gain, in consequence of regretting in old galleries having no stuff to move etc and cannot be expected to occur again - may reckon the average price at ./75 per benne, here, at the pit’s mouth - the taxe paid to government twofold - taxe fine, 20/. per kilometres carré, and, take according to the étude de la concession, and which is proportioned to the benefice that is gained which various every year - 58 kilometres got last year paid altogether 2000/. - besides this there is the proprietor of the land (surface) to pay, and the law gives him one-sixth of the coal got i.e. one benne out of every six, but this is too much and the company pays by agreement only one-tenth, 1 benne out of ten - of what is got already there are 15 surface proprietors - and the company has paid one proprietor as much as 20,000fr. per annum - the members of the co. are concessionaires du government - all the mines in the kingdom belonging to government, and for which the concessioners pay the 2 above named taxes or charges - the land is here so divided - so many proprietors the mines could not be so well worked if government had not taken them into their own hands - this was done in 1814 under Louis 18 - the marquis d’Osmond had concession of all the mines in the basin de St. Etienne made to him before the 1st revolution - he emigrated and lost it - had it restored on the return of the Bourbons and sold it - it is Carillon Gaeury quais des Augustins no. 14 à Paris who is  libraire to the Ecole des mines at Paris - M. Morillo on our return from the quarry, very civilly introduced me to his mother (from about 25 lieues from Paris near Troyes)  and asked me to breakfast – breakfast à la fourchette at 11 ¼ - very good breakfast riz de veau à la chicorée (very good) large cold poulet or small dindon, épinards a sort of tart, and a gateau with almonds and green grapes and green gages, and vin du pays -  talked away – afterwards went with Monsieur to his bureau for a few minutes and wrote down from his dictation almost all the above renseignements –gave him my address at Shibden and in the rue St Victor à Paris and said I should be glad to see and do him any service – told him I had coal of my own and should perhaps return to St Etienne to learn measure underground etc – wished good morning to Madame who seemed to have thought me bien amiable and off from the chateau de Firminy at 12 ¼ - They had pumped me about my politics said I was no politician but owned myself naturally a Tory – Lord Grey and Mr Stanley retired in consequence of O’ Connell’s Irish church bill and Lord Melbourne prime minister – odd I should 1st learn this at Firminy! Home at 1 50 in 1 35 hour 10 minutes longer than we were in going – tired of the slow going and great heat – paid all - our hostess would have profited prettily by us if she could - Off from l’hotel de l’Europe chez ‘Teinturier de Lyon’ at 2 50 – nice road and country – Guyonnière merely a single house poste and hotel de Provence – at 4 33 pass handsome double wood-floored suspension bridge over the  broad bedded Loire – had just before seen in the distance left the good-looking town of St Lambert - at 4 50 turn (right) to Montbrison and leave good road to....... dusty but not so much so as yesterday - All the women (except les grandes) ride califourchon new road opened 2 years ago from St Etienne to Marseille (missing Lyon) going direct to Tain - 3 days journey from Paris to M- saving said my cocher 8 years in the 16th chasseurs till the revolution in 1830, servant to his colonel M. de la Tour du Pin ‘le roi des hommes’ - would have ‘verse la dernière goutte de son sang pour lui’ - who saying he has juré to serve one king and would not serve 2, tore off his épaulettes and broke his sword (at Dieppe) and left the service - the men all in tears on his bidding them farewell -  At 5 ¼ we near the mountains – at 5 35 St Priest and chateau on conical mountain top – have seen 2 or 3 good chateaus since St Etienne this afternoon - fine open country – good road – at 6 5 alight at l’hotel du Nord at Montbrison – this little demoiselle of the house wanted 3fr. per bed for our own 2 – would not give more than 2/. she herself asked 3/. a head for dinner and gave us a very meagre, bad one - no potage - dinner at 7 – sat talking – lastly riz au lait to make up for bad dinner - wrote all the above of today till 11 20 - A- in bed soon after 9 pm - very fine day F72° now at 11 20 pm.

went to see the pit at some distance behind the chateau where the steam engine brought up both coal and water from 40? toises deep - primitive mountains here - 60,000 inhabitants in the parish of St. Etienne

[silvestromedia]

SAINTS AND MARTYRS for September 28

ST . WENCESLAUS, DUKE OF BOEMIA, MARTYR, Born in Prague in 907, Wenceslaus became Duke of Bohemia at a very young age. He converted his nation to Christianity. He was reconciled with an enemy when he offered to fight a personal duel rather than fight a war. He was martyred by his brother, who sought to overthrow him.

Bl. Magdalena of Nagasaki, Japan. Magdalene turned herself into the authorities and declared herself a follower of Jesus Christ. At age 23, she died on October 16, 1634 after thirteen days of torture, suffocated to death and suspended upside down in a pit of offal on a gibbet (??? tsurushi, "reverse hanging").

STS. LORENZO RUIZ AND COMPANIONS, MARTYRS, A Filipino-Chinese husband and father, Lorenzo Ruiz testified to the Lord under torture with extraordinary courage. He and his companions were martyred in 17th century Japan. He is the patron saint of the Philippines. St. Lorenzo Ruiz, Martyr of Japan with Michael Aozaraza, Anthony Gonzales, William Cowtet, Vincent Shiwozuka, Lazarus and others. Lawrence was born in Manila, the Philippines. He and his companions were tortured and slain on Okinawa.

Saint Fr. Jacobo Kyushei Gorobioye Tomonaga de Santa María After 1614, Ordained priest in 1626 he returned to Japan his native country in 1632, risking his life for the service of God and the conversion of souls. After one year of difficult apostolate in the midst of dangers, privations and sufferings, his hiding place was discovered by the authorities through the revelations of his own catechist Arrested in July 1633, he was put to the torture of the gallows and the pit on August 15, 1633; expiring after two days of agony.

St. Raymond Li-Ts'Uan, Chinese Martyr.

Bl. Thiemo, Benedictine bishop and martyr. Journeying to Palestine to aid the crusading movement, he was captured by the Muslims and imprisoned at Ascalon (modern Israel). Tortured for a long time, he was finally killed for refusing to abjure the faith.

ST. EUSTACHIUS, VIRGIN, DAUGHTER OF ST. PAULA

St. John of Dukla, He is one of the patron saints of Poland and Lithuania.

Saint Simón de Rojas O.SS.T. (28 October 1552 – 29 September 1624) was a Spanish priest of the Trinitarian Order known as the "Apostle of the Ave Maria", for his devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Simón was a theologian and a spiritual writer, as well as a friend and benefactor of the poor.

St. Annemund, 658 A.D. Bishop and friend of St. Wilfrid of York, called Delphinus by Bede and Chamond or Annemundus. The son of a prefect in Lyons, Gaul, Annemund was raised in the count of King Dagobert I. When Clovis II succeeded to the throne, Annemund served as his councilor. Named the bishop of Lyons, Annemund befriended St. Wufrid of York. When Clovis died, Annemund was slain in the political upheaval of his time. He died on September 28, 658.

St. Tetta, 772 A.D. Benedictine abbess. She governed the convent of Wimborne in Dorsetshire, England, and she was a supporter of the missionary effort of St. Boniface in Germany, dispatching nuns to assist in the evangelization.

St. Conwall, 630 A.D. A disciple of St. Kentigern in Scotland also called Conval. He was a priest who preached and worked in Scotland.

St. Machan. Scottish saint educated in Ireland. Machan was ordained as a bishop in Rome. Details of his labors are not available.

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MONTEE KIVILEV

A Sorbiers, le 1er octobre 2022

  Comme chaque année en ce début octobre avait lieu la montée Kivikev organisée par l’ECSEL en hommage à Andreï Kivilev décédé lors de l’épreuve Paris-Nice 2003 sur ses routes d’entrainements à Saint-Chamond. L’épreuve connait toujours un bon succès avec la traditionnelle grimpée chronométrée (en individuel), la montée des enfants ainsi que celle des partenaires. Les amis du coureur Kazakh soutiennent toujours cet évènement avec notamment de jolis lots offerts par Astana à gagner lors de la tombola.

    La météo est très incertaine ce samedi matin tant et si bien que je décide de ma participation qu’en fin de matinée en voyant les dernières prévisions n’annonçant pas de pluie pour l’après-midi. L’organisation s’est adaptée ; avec la pluie et le froid du matin il est décidé qu’il n’y aura pas de remise des prix à l’arrivée mais que tout se fera au chaud au siège du club le 14 octobre. De ce fait je suis plutôt en avance (pas besoin d’aller se garer à l’arrivée) et vais prendre mon dossard dans les premiers après avoir croisé Jérôme Dupouy.

Finalement la météo semble s’arranger en se préparant, et l’échauffement se fera au sec avec Jérôme (qui n’a pas bien le temps) puis seul car 20’ ça faisait un peu court ! Une 2eme boucle par la côte de la Jaillière et je suis fin prêt alors que je tombe sur Clément Cambier venu en supporter ! Je vais pouvoir m’élancer avant 14h et le départ des enfants ce qui me permettra d’avoir la route plus dégagée. Les conditions sont plutôt bonnes avec un léger vent favorable (un peu moins fort que l’an dernier) et la route parfaitement sèche maintenant. Je mise sur 17’ d’effort en tentant de tenir mon record de watts sur cette durée, ce qui ne sera pas simple avec les seulement 2,9% de pente moyenne sur les 9,6km du chrono !

   5-4-3-2-1, c’est parti avec un bon envol, déjà gros plateau, pour ne pas avoir à jouer avec le dérailleur. Ces premiers instants sont parfaits avec les jambes qui répondent bien et je pars du coup un peu fort, profitant de l’euphorie du départ pour passer la 1ere bosse très fort. Après 2-3’ l’effort commence forcément à se faire sentir et je dois lutter pour garder ma puissance cible, étant souvent obligé de relancer en danseuse ce qui n’est pas top pour l’aérodynamisme ! Je tente donc de rester le plus souvent assis et bien posé et j’arrive au passage le plus pentu pour rejoindre le col de la Gachet dans les eaux des prévisions ; je passe ce passage sans trop en rajouter pour pouvoir bien relancer sur le plateau : à 3km du but je tiens mes 380W mais un coup d’œil au chrono me fait douter de passer sous les 17’. Je reprends pas mal de vitesse sur le faux plat (45km/h) que je maintien pas trop mal jusqu’au virage à gauche et le dernier km : ici on sent un peu le vent de face mais je parviens à garder de gros watts. Le finish est irrespirable et quelques encouragements sont bienvenue dont ceux de Clément qui m’obligent à sprinter et ne rien lâcher jusqu’à la ligne… coupée en tout pile 17’ sur mon compteur et 382W moyens ; record légèrement amélioré de 2W !

   Je reprends mon souffle en compagnie de Clément venu avec Anne-Sophie Begon qui vient de terminer quelques temps avant moi et qui va gagner chez les féminines. On en profite pour faire un petit tour ensemble avant de revenir sur St-Christo : les résultats ne sont pas encore complets mais c’est de nouveau Nathanaël Géry qui s’impose et qui bat le record (comme l’an dernier) ; son temps de 16’06 est canon ! la 2eme place sera obtenue par un junior : Jean Loup Fayolle avec l’excellent chrono de 16’21 alors que je prendrais quand même la 3eme place en 17’05 (1er des 40-49 ans).

Pas grand-chose à regretter sur cette course ; je sors mon record de watts sur 17’ et si je suis moins rapide que l’an dernier, ce n’est qu’à cause des conditions légèrement moins favorables cette année. Pour espérer un meilleur chrono il faudrait changer le matériel ; un vélo de chrono (comme le vainqueur) ou au minimum des prolongateurs mais ça ne devrait pas suffire pour gagner 1’ !

Classements

Sur le site de l’ECSEL : https://ecsel-cyclisme.fr/montee-kivilev-les-classements-2/?fbclid=IwAR0smyi8kv_bQg751RmGzAdHHlzqMK0SpGZukLaN-kLg1JjCZZtTMhccIeg ou directement sur ce lien

L’activité sur Strava

https://www.strava.com/activities/7895657454

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[captain-price-unofficially]

St Chamond production line during WWI

[retrogeographie]

St-Chamond, le quartier Fonsala.

[thewartoendwars]

French St Chamond tank operating in the town of Conde-sur-Aisne

[dieselfutures]

Char St Chamond

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The French St. Chamond assault tank.

[whatdoesshedotothem]

Tuesday 12 August 1834

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not at all with her last night fine morning F70° at 8 35 am - out at 9 5 A- and I crossed the bridge over the Gier and walked down to the 1st iron foundry and then to the coal pit steam engine just above – the forgeur man who has the care of the engine, Victor de Seine, very civil -  has 130fr. per month – the coal varies in thickness here from 30 to 3ft. – from 120 to 80 toises deep - 20 horses in some of the pits - should see the pit called Grande croix about ½ way between her and Chamont [Charmont], close to the road side - 120t. deep - coal comes out at the day at St. Etienne but not at Rive de Gier - the piqueurs (colliers) earn 3/. to 5/. a day and the lands (humiers) 1/50. - some of them galleries of the mines here not more than 3ft. high -  home at 10 and breakfast immediately – our hostess very sorry I had not told her about seeing the mines – M. Foy (who eats at her house) nephew to the late general of that name, is ingénieur here and would have accompanied us – but should ask for M. Delseriés ingénieur en chef à St Etienne à l’école des mines – breakfast at 10 5 to 11 ½ made all right with A- she told me she thought I had said all we had (meaning all we were now spending) was hers and I ought to think it as much mine as hers I said I could not bear her to refuse me anything or keep anything secret from [m]e and we were both attendries and better friends than ever  Rive de Gier large black smoky town of coal pits and foundries and long chimneys – 12,000 inhabitants – well satisfied with our auberge – honest people - off from the hotel St Jacques à Rive de Gier at 11 33 – hilly road broad and good tho’ a great deal of rough pavé as yesterday – no coal pits at St Chamond, a long, large blackish town – built of dark coloured limestone ribbed manufactories and stone quarries and lime and brick kilns - very hot and dusty - a gin pit just out of St. Chamond (right) - fine hilly country, like that about Shibden – hilly winding road several times could not see for the dust – the old road left in several places and the new one a great improvement - very well done - St Etienne a large, good town – alighted at the hotel de l’Europe at 2 20 - longish while bargaining – nourriture breakfast and dinner selves 11/. vin ordinaire compris - servants 8/.- and logment our 2 single bedded rooms 6/.- and servants 1/. would not give more – took off my dress and had it shaken – washed - char and 1 horse and A- and I out at 4 ¼ and at the école des mines at 4 20 – 4 ¾ - M. Delsèriés very civil, but less usefully communicative than I expected - mentioned the only coal pit here of M. Néron, and said it was dirty and he did not advise our seeing it - but mentioned the coal pit of Firminy 1 lieue off - might see it and return today  - hesitated a moment - M. Lecoq and M. Prevost live at Clermont [Clermont-Ferrand] the former has written several good notices a Clermont [Clermont-Ferrand]  and its environs - see the professors there Burdin? and Boudin? - Paris the place for all works or St. Etienne and the coal districts - Carrier? and co. near Bachelier on the quai at Paris - M. Delsèriés goes to the hotel du midi at Montbrison but many go to the hotel du midi - only one room for minerals at the Ecole - and nothing but quite common things the collector brought from Montiers on the French giving up possession of the place to le government Sarde - Nérons pit not visited now by strangers - wet and dirty - at the Côte Thiollière pit at 5 12 bureau and entered my name and country – very large steam engine to lift the water – went into a large gallery (entered from this day) 6ft. high by 4ft. broad?  rapid descent A- with me 8 or 10 minutes till we got to a door below then afraid for her and sent her back – very well for, on passing thro’ the door, the shafting rather wet – the pente [inclination] = ½ i.e. one metre out of 2 – bed 30ft. thick – get the 10ft. in the middle – went down to the puits [shaft] – 43 metres from where we stood to the top and 18 metres below us to the bottom – 5 principal galleries – only descended into the 3rd – [after] the 2 lower ones afraid of leaving A- so long - the thro’s, or montées and descents driven into the principal galleries, called chantiers, are not every quite regular but generally ever 15? or 20 metres - this has only been worked 3 years dips from west to east - get 15 metres and leave 15 metres for roof - 15 metres between each chantier - 4 horses there - on returning saw the ingénieur M. Vachier very civil, gave me almost all the above renseignements - have 15 men, working alternately day and night - one man can get 2 metres canes per jour - 6 (bens, how spelt?) = 1 metre carré - 1 ben (according to the pronunciation) weighs 150 kilos and sells for 10 sols here, and 5fr. at Paris - the workmen has 2 sols per ben for getting small coal and more for getting the large (3 sols?) which sells for more - but he said the men earned about 3/50 per day - they get 10ft. thick - then if a collier gets 2 metres square of surface being 10 ft. thick he gets from 40 to 42 bens? at 2 sols, or more of the large coal of which he cannot get so much in quantity per day - great analogy between this mine and that of the 10ft. coal at Bradwell mine near Bilston in Staffordshire of which a plan was hung up in the bureau - the mine here clears about 15,000 fr. a year - I could not make him own to getting ½ for the other profit – i.e. 5 sols clear per ben - but said nothing against getting 3 sols per ben clear profit - he owned however he did not speak (very exactly) under circumstances such as at present before people etc said I had coals - 27 or 24in. thick and could get £100 per 3100 yards (or day work) - said I should perhaps come again if he would teach me to measure etc yes! with pleasure - gave him my address at Shibden and said I should be glad to see him in England -  A- began to be frightened – I had left her 1 5 hour – not out of the mine till 6 ½ and near an hour talking to the engineer - home at 7 40 – dinner at 7 50 – to go to Firminy at 6 ½ am tomorrow in our char of this afternoon 1 ½ poste there and same back (hard bargaining) for 11/. - wrote all the above of today till 12 5 tonight at which hour F70° very fine day - very hot - ten minutes quietly with Miss W- her cousin came this morning