#the relationship between magneto and the twins only works if it's biological as that is the only way they would associate with him again

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Yes finding homeless orphans about to be murdered and saving them just so that they owe you their lives and must repay that debt by joining your terrorist organisation is the same as becoming an adoptive father

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Sometimes I find it deeply and darkly hilarious about the moment magneto must have found that twins are his children. Like he must have thought -shit!!! They can't be mine, they won't likely accept me!!! Even he knows somewhere deep down, he majorly majorly screwed up and they won't accept him as their father. And I don't think he has majorly tried to repair relations from his side, he actually killed pietro!!?!! And when pietro was actually right and wanted to save wanda!

Like how can he expect their love when he was the one who abused his power to terrorize them in brotherhood Era. Even though he didn't know that wanda and pietro were his kids, he did, however deeply hurt them. I mean, the relationship between them was going to dysfunctional from start. Maybe that is why editorial is not showing magda as alive, and marya connected with twins- they both would have killed magneto several times over.

I can't believe people (and marvel editors) who want to see wanda as pure daddy's girl. Like atleast, show the growth how they patched up their relation, they could even start with the convo that how their children have been raised by other people-it can be a good introspective and bonding topic. And we need more pietro Lorna moments again, I feel she is at the moment more supportive than wanda. Poor Pietro is always the villain in Wanda's story. He also should be at x men related teams- I feel he gets more good character arc there.

Marvel doesn't do complex families well, I've said this before and will probably engrave it on my headstone. Marvel literally erases everything that makes people interested in the characters to have this generic take that's so bland and boring.

I don't think Erik ever really expected their acceptance or forgiveness, because the highlight of the issue where he reveals his connection to them isn't "I'm your father" it's "I'm Luna's grandfather"

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Which again to me speaks volumes about how broken Erik's relationship between himself and his children are before he even knew them for who they were. And personally I feel that Erik tries harder to foster a relationship with his grandkids than his actual children because he's grandkids are still young enough for him to shape himself in their minds/lives but also they are a generation removed from him, there's space there for him to attempt an actual relationship without the constant reminder of his past, especially the loss of his first daughter.

This is why he viewed Luna as a fresh new step on his path towards redemption, at least in his grandkids eyes, and why marvel constantly cutting Luna out of the narrative only harms the family dynamic. Even Pietro thinks it's all a trick, that's his first thought when Erik reveals their connection, because of their tumultuous past with the Brotherhood. There could be so much interpersonal introspection and character dynamics if Marvel would JUST LET SOMEONE COMPETENT WRITE THEM.

Instead all we get is some half assed "Lorna and Wanda are his daddy's girls and pietro is the screw up" found family bullshit. Found family does not work with them. Their blood/biological connection was the only tie holding them together because of their past. There's no way the in character writing would any of them have anything to do with Erik if they weren't his bio kids.

We were actually discussing this in the Magnet Family discord the other week how close Pietro is with Lorna, and how good their dynamic is and how it differs from Wanda's. Also how the three of them never actually get good on panel time together. I definitely agree that Pietro is better off on the X-Men adjacent teams than on the Avengers.

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who do you think wanda biological father may be until they probably retcon to be erik again ?

Previously answered here

I don't really have any new thoughts on the subject, in part because I don't think any of the writers currently working with these characters are interested in addressing it. Ewing, Orlando and Williams set the new status quo, which is that Erik, Lorna and the twins know they're not biologically related, but have chosen to maintain a relationship as adoptive family. Orlando, who is writing the current Scarlet Witch series, doesn't seem to have any intention of addressing Natalya or the mystery father anytime soon.

Up until very recently, I believed it was highly unlikely that Marvel would ever reverse the AXIS retcon-- Wanda and Pietro were never going to be mutants again, and Magneto was never going to be their biological father. The retcon initially happened because of an IP conflict, but even after that conflict was resolved, the current structure of the X-Men line made it necessary, for editorial purposes, to create clear separations between mutant and non-mutant characters. It's what happened to Franklin Richards.

In the last few months, however, those rules have become a lot less strict. X-Men storylines are bleeding over into other books, and the situation with Ms. Marvel shows that mutant identity has become considerably more mutable. If the Krakoan era is truly coming to an end, I suppose the chances of reversing the AXIS retcon will be much higher.

That said-- I really don't care. Mutant identity has not served Wanda or Pietro well, as characters, since the 80s. The only problem I really have with the current state of canon is that their Jewish heritage has been erased, but I think there other ways to reincorporate that, if a writer was motivated to do so, especially if they allowed Wanda to have a closer relationship with Billy. But beyond that, their relationships with Erik and Lorna are not functionally different-- if anything, they're better now-- and they've had opportunities to grow in ways that never would have happened if they'd remained mutants and stayed under the shadow of House of M.