#theory: freddy's ai is in helpy

[thebearme]

FNAF RUIN DOODLES

[raeloganthesonic06fangirl]

What if Glamrock Freddy's AI was actually Helpy from FNAF6 all along, and that's why he's got memories of the FFPS location and is so helpful and friendly..?

Like, Helpy's branding is strong throughout the Pizzaplex, and he's pretty important to Ruin's plot in a way

... New theory?

[percyaugod]

Gluncle Mike: Help Wanted 2

Finally got caught up on the game and some theories and now have some new ideas. Most of them are me considering a different end with Cassie's dad in the AU.

For the most part, the stuff I had with Cassie's dad would stay the same. He and Mike were close when they were younger but he was scared of what people would think of him and Mike being friends, reconnecting with Evan when Cassie and Gregory become friends, Evan telling him what happened to Michael, etc.

In this path, that's why he started working as a technician. This way he can work on the animatronics and constantly check if there's any unexplained behavior or …surprises inside. If William is as persistent as they say he is, and Michael isn't here to try to stop him, it's up to them to fend him off. There's no running away this time.

Cassie's dad going through the trouble of getting the figures and putting them together because Helpy says it'll help bring Mike back. Helpy who Michael put somewhere safe from the fire. Helpy knew that Michael would come back if his father did. Helpy knew chances were it would end badly for Cassie's dad and so many other people, but Helpy just missed Michael so much.

It does end badly for Cassie's dad and he ends up in the mask bot. The absolute pain of being forced to give his daughter that mask in Ruin.

When Gregory, Freddy, and the others are gathering the other animatronics on the way back after defeating the mimic and probably some kind of rabbit for the hundredth time Freddy sees the mask bot. He doesn't know who it is, but he can see that someone is in there, so they're coming with him.

There are a couple of ways this can go after.

A. Glamrock Bonnie was beyond repair, AI unsalvageable. The Endo and parts that they could use being used to make a new Bonnie that note holds Cassie's dad. A lot easier to move and talk but Bonnie might not be his favorite anymore.

B. They just use some spare Bonnie parts to make a new Bonnie. Now there are two of them. Evan hates it, but Freddy is now a bear that has two Bonnies and he will never let anything happen to either of them.

Either way, Cassie's dad was surprised at how well Evan took finding out it was him. What do you mean Michael is possessing Freddy? Are we looking at the same bear? He's letting Gregory ride on his shoulders, Evan!

They also bring back Helpy and Cassie's dad hates the little rat, but if what Evan said is true it has kept its promise. Loathe as Cassie's dad is to admit it, he did it to himself. It's not like Helpy forced him to do anything. If it tries anything again though, Cassie's dad is dropping a bowling ball on it.

[mable-stitchpunk]

Do you think The Mimic is pure evil or just one very unfortunate bot? seen a pretty big group of people lately saying its just pure evil but I'm unsure if a learning AI can actually be pure evil, esp when you could potentially contain and correct its behavior and AI.

While I do hate what the Mimic is now and that its just a charmless Ennard, I do think the Mimic has a ton of potential especially if a redemption path is taken with it, its a learning AI, its not set to be what it is forever, and with the theory that Cassie survived as well as Roxy I think its a perfect set up for Mimic redemption.

The Mimic could watch the positive interactions between Roxy and Cassie and learn like its supposed to, while I don't see it being immediate the Mimic could go from hostile to just... not exactly nice but not murderous, harsh, cautious, curious. And personally if anyone was going to befriend the Mimic I do think it'd would be Cassie, she feels empathy even for scary things that chase her.

But I doubt this would ever happen, its taking away a big scary bad guy from the plot and not putting another one in, even if I think the new big bad should be whoever owns Fazbear Entertainment now, there is some super shady stuff going on there. I think unfortunately the Mimic may be doomed to always be a shallow Ennard, a big scary monster and nothing else, even if it shouldn't be.

I feel like, from what we've seen in the books and game (and ignoring the random inconsistencies through some of the interpretations, that Mimic is pretty much just an evil supervillain who is bad. Sort of like Eleanor except sometimes it strictly mimics and other times it's aware. If it's possessing Helpi when his eyes go yellow, then it also occasionally acts like some of the variations of novel William.

By which I mean, Mimic could be a complex villain, but I just don't see it happening. A lot of what it is was piecemeal from other characters and backstories, which already doesn't show much originality on its part. And looking at the characters who directly inspired it, Eleanor, I don't foresee Mimic to be anything more notable than Afton replacement.

There of course ARE a few routes they could've or could go that would make Mimic more interesting. Here's some ideas:

Have Mimic actually not a sentient creature but instead does just mimic everything. In that case, it could mimic someone like Cassie or Roxy and become friendly- only to risk becoming aggressive again if it gets the chance to lock onto another subject to mimic.

Have Mimic be Edwin's child and have his resulting aggression and switch into villainy triggered by what Edwin did to him. A sort of reverse-Henry scenario. Plus, maybe there can finally be some thematic repercussions for the abuse and trauma the haunted animatronics went through. The new villain being a victim.

(I don't personally like this idea, but in case you want a shocking twist) Maybe had the Mimic be Glamrock Freddy. Recontextualize Freddy's "when she brought me down here" and "I am not me" lines. While clearing out the basement, Vanny accidentally awakened the Mimic who then overtook Freddy's body. Mimic then became convinced he WAS Freddy. Of course, this would only be effective if it was set up and revealed in Security Breach. Even then, it would still be a twist for the sake of a twist.

Have Mimic actually be Ennard, lol. I don't know how he got there, but those wires could probably squirm into a random suit more easily than a random endoskeleton.

Have Mimic start mimicking Roxy and Cassie get control of it through its programmed bond, then have like an alternate Gregory/Freddy relationship except it's Cassie and this extremely aggressive endoskeleton that thinks it's Roxanne Wolf.

Of all the options, Mimic being a redeemable or an easily manipulated villain would certainly be more interesting than just bad because evil. Maybe even go a Fabrication Machine route somehow.

In 9, the Fabrication Machine unleashes a war against the humans and kills them all off. While in the movie the Scientist suggests this could be because the machine doesn't have a soul, in the Scientist's Journal it is shown that the machine was overworked creating war machines for the humans and that its resulting turn on them was likely triggered by that.

In my opinion though, I think it would've been cooler if it was The Blob luring her down there. The Blob, under the right circumstances, could be very terrifying. It is a monster, but imagine it luring a child with the voice of another... perhaps because it believes it's a child too.

A mat of wires comprised of numerous victims, numerous bodies, numerous voices. It may not have any souls left inside of it, maybe it does but they cannot distinguish themselves. All it knows is that it wants out and it cries out for help from a 'fellow child'.

But there's no helping it. It is simply too dangerous- because unlike Mimic, who can barely move faster than a light jog, who can be broken apart by an elevator door, who is destructible... You cannot destroy writhing wires. There's simply too much to take it out.

You may try to suffocate the voices of agony, but they will continue screaming from the depths until someone comes to find them.

I don't think Mimic ever had a chance to be that cool. 😔

[novemberthesuperstar]

FNAF SB RUIN THEORY

THIS THEORY HAS MAJOR SPOILERS FOR FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDY'S SECURITY BREACH RUIN AS I WILL BE DISCUSSING MAJOR PLOT POINTS AND THE ENDING. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Everyone who hasn't played or watched Ruin gone? Good. Okay, so, in RUIN, we meet The Mimic and The Entity/M.X.E.S. In RUIN, there are security nodes all over the Pizzaplex all tied to the V.A.N.N.I mask and the M.X.E.S security lockdown. Just a refresher:

M.X.E.S - A program designed to keep the Mimic hidden underground controlling a security door in front of the concrete wall to the Mimic's prison. The only way to disable it is to disable every V.A.N.N.I security node in the Pizzaplex and approach it while wearing the V.A.N.N.I mask

V.A.N.N.I security mask - A Vanny mask connected to the Pizzaplex security network, possibly designed by Vanny herself. (Source - Vanessa is the head security guard of the Pizzaplex and in Fnaf VR Help Wanted when talking about a similar Vanny mask she says; "I made it myself")

Helpi - An AI designed to help guide new users through using the V.A.N.N.I mask and accessing the security nodes. Occasionally taken over by The Mimic to lure and trick Cassie, shown by his eyes becoming yellow.

Mimic - The Mimic from the TFTPP epilogues, trapped underground during the events of TFTPP and SB and freed by Cassie in RUIN

Canon Ending - Princess Quest 3 is heavily implied to be canon by the sword in the broken PQ3 machine, headless Glamrock Freddy in Fazerblast, the lack of Vanny appearances in RUIN, and the lack of a collectable comic of the PQ3 ending. The Burntrap ending was implied to be canon in the base game by the PQ3 ending being a comic strip and Burntrap being animated, and RUIN implies it through the Blob having tunneled out of the FFPS location and Gregory knowing about The Mimic. The most likely solution is that the PQ3 ending happened, followed by an alternate version of the Burntrap ending.

Now, my theory? I think that Glitchtrap and The Mimic are two separate entities, Burntrap was the result of Glitchtrap trying to take over The Mimic's body, and after The Blob (aka the Tangle) attacked Burntrap they separated again, Glitchtrap fleeing into M.X.E.S and hijacking the security program, and The Mimic remaining trapped underground until RUIN, where it lures Cassie into the Pizzaplex and she frees it, shutting down the M.X.E.S program and (atleast temporarily) taking Glitchtrap out of commission in the process.

Why do I think this? Well, let's get started.

The differences between Glitchtrap and the Mimic

In Tales from the Pizzaplex, we were introduced to The Mimic, a robot built to learn by copying what it witnessed. Originally designed to be a friend to its creator's son, it was taught violence on three separate occasions. These were when the child died and its creator beat it, when it witnessed one of the times William Afton killed kids in a suit, and when it was later reprogrammed to remove the heads and arms of robots but then started doing it to humans.

Now, at first, this seems like they're the same, but The Mimic loses it's old head before the construction of the pizzaplex and its reprogramming, now sporting a new rabbit head with bright orange eyes and The Mimic itself gets trapped under the Pizzaplex behind a wall of concrete where it hunts trapped teens, swapping between mascot costumes and copying their voices to trick them. Meanwhile, the old head is used by Fazbear Entertainment to speed up the development of various games and systems, resulting in Glitchtrap. This is accomplished by scanning the Mimic1 program into the systems.

Now, in a prior book series Fazbear Frights, there's a story called The Man in Room 1280. This story features a parallel version of Ultimate Custom Night, with William Afton being kept alive by a vengeful spirit who torments him with nightmares. The story ends with both of their agony leaking into the various objects in the Fazbear Entertainment Distribution Center. I believe this is showing how Mimic1 got infected with the memories of William Afton, causing it to nearly perfectly mimic him, adopting purple eyes and a rabbit theme.

Now, in the epilogues of Tales From The Pizzaplex the Mimic has an appearance far closer to Burntrap than it's RUIN design, so as mentioned before I think Burntrap will turn out to be the result of Glitchtrap reuniting with his old body and trying to take control of it, ending with The Blob aka Tangle attacking them and causing them to split up, explaining why Burntrap has purple eyes and a rabbit theme while in RUIN it's back to orange eyes and loses the rabbit gimmick altogether. Glitchtrap meanwhile ends up in M.X.E S as The Entity.

Similarities between The Entity and Glitchtrap

In RUIN The Entity appears as a tall black rabbit with white highlights and green and purple glitch effects. Now, already, the green and purple glitch effect has similarities to Glitchtrap's green incomplete form, which has purple eyes, and the black rabbit bears resemblance to Glitchtrap's Princess Quest form, a large black shadowy rabbit monster. Adding to this, both Glitchtrap and The Entity adopt very similar poses as they approach you, standing straight and leaning over in very similar positions.

That's not all. Outside of appearances, the names they're referred to as are very similar, with Tape Girl calling Glitchtrap "The Anomaly" in Fnaf VR Help Wanted and Helpi calling The Entity an anomalous entity during it's first encounter. Something noteworthy is that his eyes are normal when he says this, meaning it isn't just The Mimic lying about the security system.

The Entity and Glitchtrap also both hijack the Pizzaplex security and can both only be seen by using some kind of headset. Interestingly, The Entity and Vanny also share a connection, both of them causing the screen to start to fill with static if you get too close to them.

Finally, upon catching Cassie, all M.X.E.S influenced animatronics will kill her, and once all security nodes in a certain area deactivate the animatronics do too, with rebooted and uninfected animatronics being the only exceptions. (Example: the music men and Chica deactivate from the Bonnie Bowl and Beauty Salon nodes, but Roxy and Eclipse stay active as they're both rebooted and Roxy is friendly from the start, only attacking because of a misunderstanding.

How does the Mimic2 endo line fit into things

If you've been keeping up with Tales from the Pizzaplex so far, you know I've neglected to mention a variation of the Mimic. In the stories The Mimic and Mimic1 aren't the only Mimics, at one point after Fazbear Entertainment reclaimed the Mimic endoskeleton, they created their own line of endoskeletons designed to have similar programming to the Mimic to make it easier to program them. In the story, they learn an undesirable behaviour and get recalled. Now, I think that by Security Breach, Fazbear Entertainment looked back at the old Mimic2 line and decided to bring them back, resulting in the Glamrock Endoskeletons. This explains why their warehouse is full of instruction diagrams on the doors for the endos. It's a nursery of do's and don'ts. Now, after taking over the Pizzaplex Glitchtrap makes Vanny start vandalising these pictures, making the Mimic2/Glamrock Endos act violently.

Now, I think the fact they need to be taught violence shows Mimic1(Glitchtrap) and Mimic2 aren't a hivemind, and I feel that the differences between Mimic1 and The Mimic are enough proof to show they aren't one either, thus debunking the Mimic hivemind idea.

Explaining The Blob/Tangle

As I mentioned before in the Fazbear Frights story The Man in Room 1280, William Afton and the vengeful spirit's agony get spread into various items in the Fazbear Entertainment Distribution Center, but what I didn't mention is that the Fazbear Entertainment Distribution Center is full of animatronics and suits that get sent to restaurants and venues, toys, costumes, all kinds of things, and considering Fnaf AR has a large Glitchtrap presence, I think The Blob/Tangle is the collection of all of the objects Afton's agony seeped into. This is supported by Stitchline. The Stitchline is an overarching plot line in the Fazbear Frights books involving some of the stories, including The Man in Room 1280. In the Stitchline, all of the objects infected by agony get brought together by the Stitchwraith, a fusion of William, Jake, and Andrew, and Afton overpowers Jake and Andrew, creating a giant Afton amalgamation out of all of the parts he's infected. Now, while in the games, things are very different, we may be seeing something similar happening with The Blob/Tangle. Instead of becoming Afton's body and being destroyed, The Blob/Tangle rebels, escaping out into the Pizzaplex on it's own causing the building to collapse. The only true exceptions in its parts appear to be the Puppet, who was inside Lefty down in the FFPS location when it burned. It's possible after the fire it's mask, no longer haunted as indicated by the lack of tears, wound up in The Blob/Tangle, and Circus Baby, who's eyes aren't lit up, likely to show she isn’t possesed by Elizabeth Afton.

We know The Blob/Tangle is canon and still around thanks to its cameo appearance early on in RUIN, and The Mimic mentioning something tunnelling out of the FFPS location causing the Pizzaplex to collapse.

Conclusion

I'd like to give a big thanks to everyone who made it this far, and I hope you enjoyed the theory! I might make some more focusing on Freddy, Bonnie, and going more in-depth with the endings in the future

[thebearme]

ough i LOVE the glamrockfreddy!helpy so muchhh :)) just a lil guy

a lil guy he is