#togashi WTF

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Typa shii I be telling bro on the playground when he takes my toy.

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[your-favourite-plague]

I wanted to check when the Kalluto debut chapter was released and apparently it was on my birthday??? huh??? what???

[ravioligobbler9000]

Hisoka would be so cool if he wasn't a pedo, why is he a pedo, he´s so cool

[vaporseas]

R U FR TOGASHI JUST RELEASED THE ENDING FOR HXH

[r3dj3st3r]

No I see it too

Hey why does this genocidal alien bug bitch look like Misa from Death Note

Idk maybe I’m just high

[hxhhasmysoul]

Do u think maybe when killua was stalking gon it was because he was jealous of gon and not palm for going on a date with palm or just going on a date?like what proof do we have that he was jealous of palm other than him not liking palm?and when he asked gon if he had went on a date before gon said yes and killua had a rock drop on his face😭and he kinda envied him like hes so experianced,maybe he was jealous of gon not palm

This is a lot of maybes in one go so I will take them in chunks.

and he kinda envied him like hes so experianced,maybe he was jealous of gon not palm

I don't disagree that Killua may have envied Gon "experience" to some extent, though "envy" feels like such a strong word. It's more like, ever since the Hunter's Exam, Killua acts around Gon a bit like an older brother. He assumes the role of protector and guide for Gon, because he knows much more about the world than Gon does. And it's not merely Killua's arrogance, it's a fact. Killua does have a much vaster knowledge about the world than Gon because Gon grew up sheltered on an island and their adventures together are the first time Gon is exposed to many things. It's one of the things about Killua Gon gets impressed with. Even if Killua isn't always right (he made them loose all their money due to his gambling addiction... side eye).

But Killua doesn't think Gon is incompetent, he does respect Gon's strengths. He just expects wordliness to be his strong suit, not Gon's. And having understanding of such things like dating is part of that. So he first of all puts too much meaning into Gon's words, interprets them as if Gon had gone on real proper dates, not just fake dates with Mito or as a guide to some older lady tourists. And Killua gets crushed by that, he can't impress Gon with his knowledge of these things because Gon knows more!

So I won't try to convince you that one of Killua's motivations for stalking Gon wasn't a simple desire to learn just how much Gon knows about dating.

like what proof do we have that he was jealous of palm other than him not liking palm?

I'm not sure he is really seriously jealous of Palm at all. He knows Gon is being coerced into the date and he knows Gon knows that he is being coerced. Maybe when Palm shows up all pretty and Gon is all smiles then Killua starts to get jealous because he starts to believe in the ruse, starts to get lost in his own feelings.

But we do know Killua wants to be together with Gon all the time, he thinks that during their weight lifting session before the date with Palm. So he does probably worry a tiny bit that Palm might step in between them somehow. Because he thought Gon had had sex and pretty Palm might offer that. But that ties back to Killua greatly exaggerating Gon's words and his imagination running a little wild from there. (Also Togashi just going with this into a creepy fucking joke, but not really because wtf is funny about it even, territory where a 13yo boy having been intimate with an older woman would've made him an adult... but Togashi does make Killua think like that, so yeah from that we can guess that Killua likely was worried Gon might get tempted by dolled up Palm.)

Do u think maybe when killua was stalking gon it was because he was jealous of gon and not palm for going on a date with palm or just going on a date?

The main reason Killua is stalking them is because he needs to prove something to himself. He actually feels guilty about what happened with Kite. He feels bad for Gon's suffering. And he's scared because Bisky told him that one day he will abandon Gon. And he knows she might be right because he hears Illumi's voice that tells him to always trust his fear and run.

When Gon's on his date with Palm, he has no nen. And throughout that time Killua constantly monitors the activity of the chimera ants. He's terrified of the attacking, of Gon going into the same mode that he got into when Pitou attacked Kite and he'd try to fight the ants without nen.

So Killua is obsessed with protecting Gon because he wants to be with Gon, he doesn't want that to change. And to achieve that he needs to prove to himself that he can be with Gon. That he can protect Gon and not run away.

So really, even if jealousy plays some role in this, there are other reasons guiding Killua's behaviour. Reasons that existed pre Palm so to speak. She is a catalyst from him to verbalising some of these thoughts but it's not like she makes them spawn out of nowhere. And his profound devotion to Gon and their friendship, and his desire not to betray Gon is what ultimately helps Killua overcome the power of the needle and pull it out.

From my point of view, Killua's declaration that he wants to always be with Gon is a form of declaration of love. And indirect one but in line with Japanese traditions of expressing love. Thus this whole sequence is proof of Killua's deep crush on Gon.

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I hope this answers your question at least a little. Thank you for the ask.

[oldhagtournament]

Propaganda under the cut

Ethel

She is literally a Hag

She's so much fun. Evil hag who eats children and she has such a memorable character.

has an alt hag model (https://bg3.wiki/wiki/File:Auntie_Ethel_Hag_Model.png)

Genkai

The OG badass granny. She trains Yusuke, joins his team in the Dark Tournament, and kicks all kinds of ass. She's surly and mean and rude and she's also a gamer. She can purify corrupted souls, reverse the energy of attacks, or lay down a solid gold asswhooping. She is the tough grandma mentor that Yusuke needed to set him straight.

Listen, I know Genkai is most likely responsible for the multitude of young-looking old ladies in anime because of her younger state when she uses her full power, but it's unfair to say that Genkai herself is bad because of it. Like 90% of her screentime is her as an old lady, her young form is treated like a transformation.

She's an old lady who beats you up and cusses you out what more could you want

(mods input...yall..she is my icon): THE HAG!! apart from everything mentioned above, her whole character is basically the antithesis to youth and peak physical apperance as an ideal to strive to. i dont want to spoil the whole dark tournament arc here but her relation to one of the main antagonists is soooo --- ugh. society if shonen authors had copied the points togashi was making here (TOGASHI INCLUDED BITCH WTF IS BISKY HXH)

[e-102]

the anti chinese xenophobia in black whale is insane btw wtf is togashi on rn

[5-htagonist]

im not ignorant to the less savory things present in hxh but wtf is this :sob: :sob:

the nose is great but whyyyy the lips. why..... i KNOW togashi doesnt just do it to black caricatures... and more importantly most of the black characters look perfectly good... but like.... hnng?????

[lu-ships]

[rogueninja]

i may have stumbled on the manga panel of pokkle's lob****y and it is uhhhhh. more gruesome than the anime

[icharchivist]

love how we’re all being very normal over “the mass murderers gang just wanted to be actors, if they hadn’t been into a ruthless environment that was threatening to destroy them unless they were the ones stepping up doing the destroying, maybe they would have just been actors, all of them, even the most ruthless ones” 

and like, no amount of tragedy from what the traffickers are planning to do to them will ever justify the cruelty they pushed for their own amusement to the point of hurting innocent people, nothing will ever justify the Kurta massacre and the atrocities that were done here

but god just the fact of. If those kids had been left alone they would just have become actors. They wouldn’t have thoughts “anyone except us is expendable”.

And i guess it’s just, i guess, their own revenge on the world? People in the “known” world never considered the resident of Meteor City as people, they always treated them as flesh they could use and abuse. So the Troupe flipped the switch around, that in the end Meteor City’s residents are the only ones they’re going to show humanity toward (see also: how they do come back to protect it when the ants go there), and for the “known” world who had abused them, well they’ll use them and abuse them back. If the world never considered them as anything other than object to be discarded, then they will treat the world the same way, payback yaknow?

And while it comes from a place of justifiable trauma, it is indeed still hypocrite, it’s fighting fire with fire and wondering why eventually you get burnt and everything.

but to think. To think that if they had not been dehumanized they would have just. became actors? That they were just excited about becoming actors? 

That’s so tragic. That’s so so tragic holy shit. 

[oohbrother]

LITERALLY I HATE KURAPIKA LEORIOS SO FUCKING FINE AND INCREDIBLY KIND AND OH MY GOD THE PERFECT MAN COMPLETE PACKAGE?! AND THIS FUCKER IS LIKE? lmao. blocked. blocking his ass. HELLO????!!??!!!?!!!?!

[telehxhtrash]

I tend to see a lot of people say that Togashi will leave things uncertain and ambiguous in between Killua and Gon, and while it’s a possibility, I honestly don’t think it’s the most likely thing to happen, and if it did, ambiguous wouldn’t be the correct term to call it.

People often say that Togashi likes to play with ambiguity when it comes to queer matters. Yes, Togashi likes to play with gender. We get to see that through Kite, Pitou and Kalluto in HxH (although its arguable because Kite is definitely not cis). But when Togashi decides that a character is queer, or that there is a relationship going on between two characters, he doesn’t leave it ambiguous.

Togashi has created queer characters in 3 of his main works : Yu Yu Hakusho, Level E and Hunter x Hunter. And everytime he created those characters, he made damn sure that everyone knew that these characters were queer. No room for any sort of ambiguity.

The first examples I have are from Yu Yu Hakusho, with a character named Miyuki, and the other is from Level E, with a character named Kyoko Mikihisa.

For these two characters, Togashi made it so that they emphasized themselves that they were trans. It’s painted extremely clearly, that they were born in the wrong body. There’s literally no room for any sort of ambiguity here.

Togashi could’ve easily kept things ambiguous. There are plenty of ways he could’ve done it, keeping the character’s gender confusing. But he didn’t. He made it EXTRA clear that these characters were trans. This is mostly why I genuinely don’t believe you can describe Togashi’s queer rep as “ambiguous”. Because when the characters tell you themselves that they are, it’s canon. It’s not ambiguous.

Now, sometimes, Togashi likes to play it more subtle. He doesn’t make his characters say “I’m gay” or “I’m trans”, but he finds another way to say it.

In YYH, Togashi wrote a gay character : Itsuki. And he’s canonically gay, because when talking about another man, Sensui, he mentions that he sees him as a lover.

It’s subtle. It’s not ambiguous.

Same thing for Alluka, Alluka never comes on screen and says “I’m a trans girl !”. The reason we know that Alluka is canonically a trans girl is because the Zoldycks insist on misgendering her, while Killua emphasizes that she’s a girl.

And once again, it’s subtle. Not ambiguous. Even though I’ve seen a lot of redditors say that “Alluka’s gender is ambiguous”, Togashi is literally doing his utmost to highlight subtly that yes, Alluka is a trans girl.

But subtlety is not canon’s enemy. Not everything has to be painted clearly for it to be canon. Sometimes, you just have to piece every little clue together yourself. Just because the word “trans” is never canonically stated in HxH concerning Alluka, it doesn’t make her any less of a trans girl. Because as the audience, we UNDERSTOOD from the subtext and from the clash in gendering that she is trans.

So, yes, Togashi likes to be subtle. But subtlety doesn’t make things any less canon.

I’m drifting a bit to non-queer matters, but I also want to talk about two relationships in Togashi’s work that were canonically romantic, but subtle.

The first is Meruem and Komugi. It’s canon that the nature of their relationship was romantic. They never did couple-y things, or even kissed. But it doesn’t make the nature of their relationship ambiguous. Because it was once again, subtle, but drowning in subtext that Togashi deliberately put there.

Togashi paralleled Killua saying that him dying with Gon would be a shinjuu (lover’s suicide), only for it to not happen in the end - but Togashi wanted to throw that word in. So we could have it at the back of our heads. Because when Meruem and Komugi died, it was a shinjuu. It was two lovers dying by the same method with the belief that they’d be united in the afterlife. Meruem only cared about spending his last moments playing with Komugi. They both said that they were only born to experience this moment, of being in pure bliss as they die together. When Komugi replies to Meruem and says that she’ll join him in death, she uses an old phrasing used to accept marriages proposals. They died holding hands.

It was subtle, but canon. Because of all these clues and all the subtext Togashi planted, it is undeniable that their relationship was romantic. And they never kissed, never said “i love you”, but we still know : and that’s the beauty of subtlety.

Because yes, romance can be subtle AND canon.

Another example of a canon romantic relationship that was never officialized by a kiss : Keiko and Yusuke in Yu Yu Hakusho. Correct me if I’m wrong, but while they kissed in the anime, they never kiss in the manga.

But a relationship doesn’t need to be canonized by a kiss. I’ve never seen/read YYH, but while I was doing research, I read that their relationship grew naturally over the course of the manga. That they grew together, were affectionate with each other, but never told each other the nature of their feelings. Until one specific moment towards the end of the manga where this happens:

All of this came naturally. No big confession, just a confirmation of what they both felt. And no kiss either ! No hand holding, no true “romantic” actions, either before or after that chapter. Just feelings. I’m quoting one of the post I used as reference, but “On one hand it's beautiful to finally hear it, but on the other, it's not even surprising. You find yourself caught off guard by how easily you're willing to accept that these two have felt this way throughout the entire series.”

And while it’s subtle, because you’d expect at least a kiss or something, it’s canon and undeniable that their relationship is romantic. It’s clear that the two of them are in love, even if they never kissed. Because it was clear from the beginning that this was where their relationship was going : all the building up to that one moment where they both basically tell each other “oh yeah, btw, i love you”. A simple confirmation of what they both knew, and of what we as readers knew too.

I guess my point is that Togashi can insist on the nature of his characters and relationships. He insisted that Miyuki, Mikihisa and Alluka were trans. But sometimes he also likes to be subtle, and not put everything plainly. But the subtlety doesn’t discredit its the canon legitimacy.

Now, onto what it means for Killua and Gon. 

I emphasized that Togashi liked to highlight when his characters are queer. There are absolutely NO DOUBTS that Miyuki and Alluka are trans girls, Mikihisa a trans man and that Itsuki was gay. It’s in canon. But they were all brought up differently, and it was either confirmed by them saying it themselves or by the context and subtext surrounding their queer identity.

But Togashi never left it ambiguous. We always had canon confirmation that they were queer. What I’m saying is, there’s a very, very high probability that Killua is gay and in love with Gon. We’ve seen it in the incredible amount of subtext deliberately placed by Togashi. And like I said, Togashi never left the nature of his queer characters ambiguous. So it’s highly likely that Togashi will confirm in canon at some point that Killua is gay. 

Now, while it’s likely Togashi will canonize Killua being queer plainly by either him saying it or subtext (just like Alluka), it doesn’t mean that his relationship with Gon will be canonized plainly too.

I mentioned earlier that Komugi/Meruem and Keiko/Yusuke’s relationships were subtle, while undeniably romantic. So maybe this will be the case for Killua and Gon’s relationship too. It looks like Togashi’s style for writing romance is show, not tell, thus making it a possibility that it’ll be the same for Killua and Gon.

But I can assert with 100% certainty that Togashi will NOT leave their relationship ambiguous. Maybe it’ll be subtle, but NOT ambiguous. Just like Meruem/Komugi and Yusuke/Keiko.

Killua and Gon’s relationship is the backbone of HxH, and it’s very clear that Togashi’s intent from the beginning of the story was to canonize it as a love story. When Togashi wrote Killua, he incorporated elements of Tanabata, a legend about two lovers, in his story, and made Tanabata his birthday. Togashi queer coded Killua from the beginning, and I honestly doubt that he would never canonize it, when it was his intent to queer code him from the beginning. He made the both of them have an extremely deep relationship, being each other’s most important person. Combine this with all the subtext, and yeah, it’s pretty clear that HxH is a love story.

So yes, Togashi wouldn’t leave ambiguous something he planned from the beginning of the story. Especially since HxH is his first chance at writing a manga and being able to do everything he wants with it. Especially when Togashi’s gay manga got turned down 30 years ago.

I mentioned Togashi never leaving stuff ambiguous, but rather either putting it plainly or more subtly. And honestly, I’m thinking it’s going to be a mix of both for Killua and Gon. A mix of subtlety and undeniable proof of the romantic nature of their relationship. Exactly like Yusuke and Keiko’s relationship. 

I feel like Killua and Gon’s relationship perfectly mirrors Yusuke and Keiko’s, and I can totally picture it following the same patterns. By having their relationship grow even deeper as they reunite, with no explicit romantic gestures, just deep, deep feelings. Until ultimately, they both confirm it one way or another. 

I could literally picture Gon turning to Killua, telling him out of the blue something they’ll do when they get married, Killua being confused but Gon saying something like “Well, I wanna get married to you Killua. Don’t you want to?” and Killua almost choking but saying that yeah, he’d like that. Plain and simple. No romantic gesture. No kiss, no hand holding, no feelings confession under the stars. Just a mutual assessment of what they both already knew.

But honestly, I’m saying all this to try and be objective, but I’m not in Togashi’s head. Togashi could also very much go absolutely crazy and make Killua and Gon share a kiss, hold hands, affirm their love out loud, Because it’s his first chance at being free to do what he wants with his manga. And because he’s been wanting to draw a gay manga for a while, he might want to emphasize that HxH is queer.

Especially when it seems like Togashi likes to incorporate shoujo elements in his work.

And as @/sincerelysamedt mentioned in her wonderful post, queer relationships are often dismissed as platonic in media, and that it’s important to overplay it to canonize it efficiently. And Togashi is probably aware of this. Hence Killua’s stuttering, blushing, the constant gay poetic lines Gon tells Killua about how he’s so glad he met him, Killua’s inner monologues comparing Gon to light itself, multiple characters highlighting their mutual love, a date under the stars where they mutually affirm their want to stay together and travel the world while they both blush.........Togashi didn’t have to go THIS hard, but he did.

These panels highlight the difference between the subtle relationships I talked about above. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Togashi represented Yusuke or Keiko having internal monologues about how they wanted to stay with the other forever or poetically comparing each other to light. It proves that while Togashi likes to play it subtle, he's also not afraid to put extremely cliché shoujo tropes and heartfelt moments in his narrative too. Maybe he’s aware that internalized homophobia might pose a problem to the narrative he’s trying to convey, and thus he might be enclined to overplay it. 

When you keep in mind that Togashi most likely wrote Killua and Gon with the intent of making their relationship a love story, you can see that he’s never really written with the intent of being ambiguous or even subtle, providing us with multiple intense scenes of mutual devotion. And that’s one thing that’s leading me to believe he wouldn’t shy away from delivering highly emotional scenes that would canonize their mutual love. Because their relationship has never truly been portrayed as subtle, or ambiguous, it’s just.... developing.

So yeah, it could go either way ! Either Togashi will decide to paint it subtly like every relationship he’s painted in the past, or he’ll either decide to go all out and maybe show us an extremely heartfelt confession under the stars, maybe even an on-screen kiss (the latter option being highly likely considering all the very emotional scenes between them we’ve already had) - (EDIT : i wrote a post on why i believe there’ll be an explicit confession if you want to read it !)

But one thing is certain : it will never stay ambiguous, because Togashi has never painted any of his queer characters or the relationships between his characters as ambiguous, Subtle, yes. Ambiguous, no. 

[tariah23]

Togashi posted a wip of Hiei and the comments got flooded with goofy ppl thinking that it was killua or other hxh characters when it was… man, Togashi even drew the dragon of the darkness flame and Hiei’s bandages, come on now.

[ichigoginchan]

y'all hunter x hunter is back omfg togashi is back 😭💖