#trafosm

[avatar-roko]

🎵 There’s a place beyond the wormhole… 🎶

[murderbotched]

Sanctuary Moon big bang?

Sometime after the season ends, we should do a Sanctuary Moon big bang. I think it would be awesome if we could get Sanctuary Moon trending Goncharov-style. Pick a date to be Sanctuary Moon day. I want people who've never heard of Murderbot to recognize Sanctuary Moon. I've never done a big bang before so I'll have to figure all that out. But thoughts?

[ub-sessed]

Honestly I think that instead of adapting The Murderbot Diaries they should adapt The Rise and Fall of Sanctuary Moon.

hey

[bakedbananners]

[gideonzero]

i drew some posters for my favourite tv show that doesn’t exist

inspired by the expanse kind of. i hope i get the time to do more of these soon and that we get to see some of trafosm in the actual show!!

[ladypetricour]

To be clear, I don't think the rubber duck thing was intentional. I'm pretty sure it was a prop master trying to meme and nobody caught it on set. Still funny, but sometimes I wish they'd pay better attention to details like that. Maybe the big reveal in episode 687 wouldn't have felt forced if they'd been foreshadowing that instead of goofing off with background gags :/

time to go full Goncharov on Sanctuary Moon

SANCTUARY MOON FANMEME!

List three favorite scenes that aren't in everyone's top three episodes:

1- the replicator accident b-plot during the reactor leak in episode 211. just the right amount of comedy against the tension of the a-plot, and I swear I saw rubber ducks in the background the whole rest of the season.

2- the last stand of sub-ensign kafara. ha ha eat neutrinos motherfucker.

3- the poetry battle on castorian-three. my friends and I wrote so many shit villanelles after that one

Two unpopular fandom opinions:

I have serious problems with lieutenant/solicitor stasisfic, but not for the whole ethical thing. look I work on stasis pod tech and there is no way multiple people can go on a dream journey together during cryostasis, not with how current pod resource sharing is set up. if you gotta write stasisfic put it in a historically accurate setting, like episode 424.

I never liked the musical episode. sorry sorry (not really sorry)

One thing you want spotlighted at the next MoonMoonCon:

if they could just put a big display with the EPISODE 776 HOSSEIN SHOWER SCENE on infinite repeat i could die happy

[brawltogethernow]

I'd like to hear more about your murderbot transmigrator thoughts :))

Okay obviously when I said I wasn’t going to think about a Murderbot/Scum Villain fusion that was more of a goal, which is a lot like a lie. I have pecked out ~1k of prose for it, but none of it is presentable for longer than one line. The problem with this concept is that it’s actually very good, and there are a lot of meaty ideas to dig into with it, like, too many of them.

1. Murderbot would be immedately inclined to empathize with the System and guess at its motivations. Depending on what those are this may still stay an antagonistic relationship, because the way the System leverages its cosmic powers to coerce and strongarm people stomps on a lot of Murderbot’s triggers and is generally a dick move. The points system is just a gamified governor module. But it’s still a relationship, and if the System turns out to be an antagonist, it’s in that role as a fleshed out character with a personality who has been interrogated by someone with every reason to assume somebody made it and has commanded it to act like this for their own reasons.

Murderbot asks its function and designates it NarrSystem (Narrative System) or StorySystem or something because “the System” is too generic coming from its setting.

2. Transmigrating into a human body would be badweird and transmigrating into a human brain would be absolutely horrifying. (SecUnit could transmigrate into a system, but we’ve kind of been there done that with 2.0.) Dysphoria central! Murderbot gets to address that while it has never wanted to be a human, all humans are so convinced that being human is better that on some level it WAS worried that they were right. And now it can say with absolute certainty that they are not and this sucks. But also some things that it would have thought would be fundamentally different are actually the same. It’s just a whole time.

This is part of why I’m deviating from transmigration story standard and full stop making the transmigration a temporary situation, the other main reason being that Murderbot has more going on in its own world than your standard transmigration protagonist.

3. Either Murderbot gets back by hacking the System or it intends to but it’s ultimately the System’s decision. This is a very slow process because it can’t access tech the way it’s used to and the System’s structure is very different from what it’s dealt with before (because it strongly resembles Windows Vista). It needs tech and more control over its situation stat though so it’s going to keep at it until it works. Open your damn menus. SecUnit is going to rig transmigration until it’s like playing The Sims with cheat codes.

4. (This one is for me.) The System still talks in garbled Chinese netspeak, and Murderbot is like. Wow this program speaks in the lost tongue of an ancient civilization. How old is it. I can barely understand it. (Because of the bad memes not the Chinese.)

5. Murderbot gets yeeted into The Rise and Fall of Sanctuary Moon and has to deal with the emotionally exhausting scenario of empathizing with everybody present. It likes the heroes, and it likes the other heroes they’re in conflict with, it likes the more complex villains with fleshed out motivations, and it even has a soft spot for a lot of the side characters and bit villains. This is fundamentally incompatible with how it tries to ration its empathy, assess situations by sorting people into allies/nonhostiles/hostiles, and compartmentalize by nicknaming the people it’s in conflict with things like Target 1, Target 2, and Target 3.

6. The Scum Villain’s Self-Saving System, as the specific transmigration variation we’re jumping off of here, was not trying to interrogate the infinity mirror effect of heteronormativity reflecting back and forth between media and people, and as such is not like, a solid narrative about this. That said, this book is basically like:

Shen Yuan reads this giant mess of a book with a lot of straight sex fantasies, not completely without appreciating the romance, but with more antipathy for it than he admits to himself. Then he ends up in the book and thinks he’s meant to enable the romances he read, which he’s so completely resigned to doing he doesn’t notice that the main character is queer and gone on him, or that he, himself, has been studiously suppressing the desires he assumes he should have while unable to perceive what he actually wants and how it affects his behavior.

So the Murderbot version of this is to subvert amatonormativity with your pretty explicitly aroace protagonist whose reaction to fictional romance is tolerant at best. Murderbot embraces its own lack of desire for romance but dances around acknowledging that it desires other relationships and seems to be working around the incorrect belief that romance and friendship are both human things and that’s why it doesn’t engage with them. So:

Murderbot ends up in the immediate leadup to the resolution of a love dodecahedron - maybe surrounding Eden, just as the only named character from TRAFOSM I think we have. And Murderbot is (internally) like...okay...I was never very moved by ANY of these people as romantic choices for you...but I might as well try to guide you to the least offensive ones, I guess. And it’s so mired in expectations based on its foreknowledge of this arc that it doesn’t notice until Eden spells it out that they’re ditching ALL their suitors and have realized they’re complete without romance and want to devote themself to finding their long lost birth mother or farming science or something, which just takes SecUnit tf out.

Possibly I will become really ungovernable and say that after seizing the System’s capabilities Murderbot just offers to take Eden on a reverse isekai right off of Sanctuary Moon, leaving ART’s crew and the Preservation team to be like, Where Did You Just Get This Entire Human.

7. Further going off svsss, there is a meta thread to interrogate by plunking Murderbot into a villain character. It's already an evil robot trope that declined to go evil, this is true in-universe and it knows it, and it has very low expectations of the morals of the group that it belongs to - informed by the same media that was a lifeline to it when it was in a very bad situation - that it is still in the process of working through. The layers.

So yeah there’s a lot going on here. Send help.

[avatar-roko]

PreservationAux X The Rise & Fall of Sanctuary Moon

[newtsoftheworldunite]

Was talking with @7-of-eight and she said that whenever she hears about The Rise and Fall of Sanctuary Moon in The Murderbot Diaries she thinks about Sailor Moon so now I’m imagining TRAFOSM as a magical girl anime. Solicitor Moon. Power Armor Mask. You see it, right?

[hpwot]

TRAILER SPOILERS

We got the internal monologue, we got a scene from tRaFoSM, we got the feed. Came off a bit camp, but I’m very optimistic at this point.

Let's goooooooo!

[wunderfolra]

MB IS SO AWKWARD I CAN'T

the shot of it looming over them watching TRAFOSM is terrifying I love it

also SANCTUARY MOON GLIMPSE!!!!!

you know what now I'm pumped for this little live action caricature, white boy may have a little permission to pop off

oh god there's a trailer.

[uneatenclient]

you have opened my eyes to SUCH an opportunity thank you for this goncharov

List three favorite scenes that aren't in everyone's top three episodes:

oh my god in 129 when someone hacked the systems so it could only take orders in rhymes and hossein was struggling with it sooo bad but when it was down to the wire and the rival company was about to blast through the shields, he spat out a goddamn poem. capt "locked in" hossein my love

in 343 where the season's complete jumble of b-plots (all the way up to h-plots if i counted right) finally cascaded into something that mostly made sense. it was so satisfying even if i do still have questions

in 802 where lt. kullervv had to have one of his sideburns shaved to let medsystem heal the cuts under it and it revealed a birthmark that exactly matched hossein's dad's latest fling that's all over the gossip feeds. sure it hasn't come out yet but when it does....!!

Two unpopular fandom opinions:

nb337a66 has had incredible character growth for a show written and produced in the cr. look at comfort units on pretty much any other show than a "based on a tragic but true story" pos. just because the ppl exploring that growth in trafosm have their hands and feet tied while they do it doesn't mean it isn't happening or that it isnt worth supporting

the stupid ass scene in 113 where hardlööp just. fights off like 10 raiders by the power of luck, sheer terror, and slapstick comedy. and security shows up and just stares and all he can do is shrug. and faint. and as he falls to the ground he lands on the raider reaching for their weapon. ppl hate it but its SO fucking stupid i love it SO much. mvp navoff hardlööp-skland

One thing you want spotlighted at the next MoonMoonCon:

the hossein shower scene is tempting but plz consider my counter: that scene where the bodyguard pins one guy to the wall with their forearm, plants a boot on another guy's chest, and has a gun pressed to a third guy's head. that entire fight sequence and the intimidating glaring that happens after lives rent free in my brain and i would KILL to see it shown off or talked about more

time to go full Goncharov on Sanctuary Moon

SANCTUARY MOON FANMEME!

List three favorite scenes that aren't in everyone's top three episodes:

1- the replicator accident b-plot during the reactor leak in episode 211. just the right amount of comedy against the tension of the a-plot, and I swear I saw rubber ducks in the background the whole rest of the season.

2- the last stand of sub-ensign kafara. ha ha eat neutrinos motherfucker.

3- the poetry battle on castorian-three. my friends and I wrote so many shit villanelles after that one

Two unpopular fandom opinions:

I have serious problems with lieutenant/solicitor stasisfic, but not for the whole ethical thing. look I work on stasis pod tech and there is no way multiple people can go on a dream journey together during cryostasis, not with how current pod resource sharing is set up. if you gotta write stasisfic put it in a historically accurate setting, like episode 424.

I never liked the musical episode. sorry sorry (not really sorry)

One thing you want spotlighted at the next MoonMoonCon:

if they could just put a big display with the EPISODE 776 HOSSEIN SHOWER SCENE on infinite repeat i could die happy