#we'll just get Louis and Armand's POV on it

[rainbowcarousels]

“Are we close enough for you to be sending me nudes of my lover, Daniel, and no one told me?” Daniel barely spared him a glance. “Which lover?” Directly after the negotiations, Lestat returns to Trinity Gate causing mischief in his trademark fashion and finding himself embroiled in the blossoming dyanamic there.

[nalyra-dreaming]

"Worried about the Nicki/TVL content" here for clarification. I apologize, that came off like I didn't want to see TVL/Nicki. I'm excited to see Louis' journey through Europe and very excited for the theatre des vampires. I'm also very excited to see Lestat's backstory, including Nicki's part in it. What I meant is I'm worried that the showrunner might have been worried they weren't getting a season 3 so they packed in TVL and Nicki into season 2 so audiences got the backstory for Louis, Armand, and the theatre and how that ties to Lestat because they didn't want to leave questions because they may not get a season 3.

I want them to take their time with each major plot point and i wondered if cramming so much in was a hint that there was not going to be a renewal. But your response to my first ask was reassuring. I just really need to see the entire story play out before they end the show and I panicked so much advertisement of TVL in season 2 was an indication that this would be the only time we see it. Does that make sense?

Also, what plot points or storylines do you think we will see in season 3 in addition to TVL because the show always has more than one book or storyline going?

Ah ok :) It does make sense, but I honestly wouldn't worry too much.

For example Rolin talked about Lestat and Gabrielle at the SDCC '22 panel and so far there is no hint of Gabrielle - which makes sense, because Armand does not particularly like her... he probably omits her in his retelling of what happened.

But I don't think Rolin is going to omit her :) ... pass on the possibility to ... dip into that mess, too^^

And Rolin has already talked about Lestat's turning (and it being the literal worst of all the vampires' turnings) in the podcast back then, too. TVL is why Rolin wanted to do the show.

So. I wouldn't worry too much. AMC is financially out of the woods, the modus operandi seems to be the same as last season, and they are ramping up promotion, they are still developing the other shows, too. They said they are in for the long run, and there was once talk of 10 seasons... now I am not optimistic enough to hope for that much *laughs*, but... I'd love it :)) Definitely. Supposedly Sam was signed for 5 seasons though (off the bat). We'll see.

As per story lines... well, I mean, they will need to keep Dubai fresh, so that will develop further, and then, of course, in Lestat's past there is a lot they can hook into as well.

Magnus shows up as a ghost in the later books, too, so who knows, they might explore that aspect already (and there maybe the origins of the Talamasca???) in some kind of fashion. It would serve to introduce Benedict and Rhoshamandes here, too, given the later arcs. Marius' arc, of course, though if the rumor re Justin Kirk holds then they are going towards Marius' story and TWMBK (and possibly QotD) in s4 and s5. Gabrielle could be introduced in Dubai, and maybe bring in Sevraine, I mean Fareed is already there, the ancient vampires are there already, somewhere, out of sight, but there is a lot of possibility :)

And, of course, if they actually bring in Fareed again (which might be needed, given Daniel's health status), then Seth cannot be that far, and through Seth we could get an introduction to Gregory and Mekare, and Maharet, and Khayman, and... whoever else.

The Dubai TL is mixed up already, and I for one love it, because it allows for so much.

For example the piano music in the show... I would have loved it if that had been a live stream, of Sybille playing (for example). You know? Little things.

Sam said that there would be (more/other) cameo's coming in s2, so... I fully expect there to be more vampires, probably only apparent to those who know^^. (Just like last time^^)

Also: by now I do think we will get yet another revisit of episode 5 in s3. From Lestat's POV.

Because there is something there that I have touched on, that @cbrownjc has touched on... namely that we will now get to that the fight was more an actual "fight" downstairs, but even more interestingly, we will in all likelihood see why the fight rekindled upstairs. And... here comes something Lestat says in episode 6 into play, namely: "I don't know what possessed me that night."

Now, anyone who has read the last books (which Rolin as stated takes from) knows that Amel's awakening is bloody, drawn to violence, and that he takes over sometimes. He also likes to be in Lestat.

If the basic structure of the fight stays as it is there has to be a reason why that fight rekindled upstairs, and why it continued then with such a drastic power-imbalance, and why Lestat went on about his "nature", something which I have always found weird.

However, if they are already setting up Amel... I have theorized before that they might combine Akasha and Amel, since the actual threats (the burnings) are quite similar and it would be too repetitive for the show.

IF they are, indeed, already setting up Amel, then we will see the "reason" why it all went shit in Louis' POV next season, and then get the personal account of what happened there in s3. Louis won't be able to make much sense of it yet, neither will Armand, nor Daniel, and not even Marius (in all likelihood). But as these lines have not been come into play yet (and this show does not waste lines) I fully expect them to come back.

And then, if Lestat recounts the possession that story line can segue into s4 and s5 of Akasha/Amel rising, they'll probably skip the "core" going to Mekare first, I think Lestat will take it directly, maybe with the threat of Rhoshamandes thrown in or after, depending.

As I said before, I think they know how they want to do the first 5 or so seasons, and this... this is how I think it might come together :))

Obviously this is the "rough cut" - the details will be the most interesting thing.

What did Louis say in the trailer?

"We should get every detail right."

Indeed.

[desertfangs]

Word Count: 4158 - Chapter 1/2 Relationships: Armand/Daniel Molloy, Armand/Louis de Pointe du Lac Characters: Armand (Vampire Chronicles), Daniel Molloy, Louis de Pointe du Lac, Marius de Romanus Additional Tags: Mental Health Issues, Trinity Gate, Marius the caretaker, sybelle and benji make a cameo, Angst, Hurt, Mild Comfort, Mentions of a Suicide Attempt, POV Armand (Vampire Chronicles), Vampire Daniel Molloy, devil's minion, Guilt, daniel and his models choo choo, Missing Scene Summary: Armand starts to wonder where Daniel is, as he hasn't heard anything about him in years, and then he finds out: he's unwell and in Marius' care and Marius didn't bother to say anything.

I've had this idea bouncing around my head for a while but I sat down this week and the whole thing just poured out so I guess it was time. Part 2 is written and just needs another quick editing pass, so I will post that probably tomorrow. Daniel appears in part 2, never fear :)

Timeline is sort of watery here on purpose but it obviously takes place after Merrick though I don't get into Louis' own suicide attempt. If Blood and Gold is out (and it will have been at some point as this fic spans years in part 2), Armand has obviously not read it so we're just sort of ignoring that. Who knows, maybe I'll write a future part that deals with that because his reaction is not gonna be great! I'd also love to write a piece of this from Daniel's POV eventually, but we'll see.

Anyhow just some mild devastation for your Friday. Join me in my pain (Louis is there to cuddle him though so it's not all bad, and it'll be fine in like a decade! Please refer to recent fluff posts as needed.)

[thelioncourts]

If the shows gonna do Lesmand, don’t you think they have to go the polyam route? I just don’t see how they go there without it otherwise it kind of makes Loustat, Loumand and Armand/Daniel kinda cheapened

Okay, so I'm going to answer this and I'm going to beg people to not come for my throat; I'm simply answering this with educated guesses as well as general knowledge that I think pertains to this.

So. I don't really think the show is going to do Lesmand, at least not in a full-fledged ship/couple/whatever you want to call it. I truly don't.

If I had to give any kind of guess as to what Lestat and Armand's relationship is going to look like in the show, it's going to look a lot like it does in the book, but with a simplification of Armand's feelings in particular.

I think we're going to get, of course, the TVL/IwtV interactions between Lestat and Armand, namely their first interaction in Paris when they first meet as well as the tower scene and the torture scenes that occur in IwtV/TVL (with Lestat's POV). I think we're, of course, going to get Lestat with the theatre and handing it to Armand, Armand and Nicki, etc. and then, from there, I think we'll get certain aspects of the Prince Lestat era. I think if they're going to do The Vampire Armand (book), they're going to have to do an entire limited series, at a minimum, for him, and, in turn, Lestat will be in at least some of that.

But regarding romance, I don't see them doing a lot, if really, any of it. I think they'll have Armand begging for Lestat to stay with him after that first meeting, but I think that will be done to show some of the odd resentment Armand has for Lestat. Beyond that, I don't anticipate much romance, namely that we don't have much from a Lestat POV anyway throughout all the books combined.

I think one thing to keep in mind is that this is a television adaptation of the books, and it is not fully accurate to the text. These writers are not adhering to a solely book-fan audience, nor should they. They are appealing to a wider set of people, trying to maintain a following there.

Rolin Jones has repeatedly classified IwtV as a gothic romance and has said that they are focusing heavily on Loustat. He's not going to say that if they're going to go on a polyam route. Television works on a very particular set of...expectations, and s1 focusing on the essential marriage of Loustat, and its downfall, is fully setting us up to see them get back together and then be in a romance that is more sustainable for them (I don't want to say 'healthier' because nothing is healthy in this series, just in general).

It also appears that Armand/Daniel (Armandiel? Armandaniel?) is going to be important and, no doubt, focused on, given especially Daniel's current role in the 2022!world.

Loustat is a really heavy hitter with fans. Loustat posts by the AMC account get a staggering amount of likes/retweets/shares/etc. in comparison to literally anything else. Audiences are going to not be super thrilled about Loumand because audiences want him with Lestat; when the truth of Armand's actions are brought to light, fans are not going to like him with Louis or Lestat (killing Claudia, maiming her body, allowing Louis' imprisonment to make sure that happens, torturing Lestat, throwing Lestat's weakened body from the towers, etc.). Even when we see the different sides of him, the softer ones, the funnier ones, etc. we are going to see that predominantly in regard to Daniel.

It'll be made worse when TVL happens and they see what Armand does to Nicki. Audiences won't like Nicki near the end either, not for Lestat, but they especially won't think what Armand did is justified.

Anyway, this is all a very longwinded way to say that Armand is a character that television audiences are going to struggle with. I think they can absolutely sell Armand and Daniel, but there will be a lot of dislike next season with Loumand, and with that I think the idea of Lesmand will be so far from a (non-book mostly) fan's mind that it couldn't even be considered as a contender for Loustat.

So. Yes, long explanation short, I don't see Lesmand really happening on screen. Some moments? Sure. Insinuations? Perhaps. Long-term anything? Absolutely not.

[crazykuroneko]

Idt we're suddenly going to see a bunch of happy times in s3 when its from Lestat pov like there's a lot of plot from TVL to get through and vampire lore, and its not really great for forward momentum if they're rehashing the same time period. Plus its not like TVL gave us any huge insight or new scenes from their life together, it was just a few paragraphs of retconning.

If anything I think the show's pov is that louis is overcorrecting from his 70s interview by making thing seem happier than they were, thinking of the scene when Daniel plays back the tapes for him but what Daniel says doesn't feel consistent with the vibe I got on screen (it didn't really seem that happy in ep2 even). Everything the show and actors are saying feels like they just have a supernatural inexplicable bond that doesn't make sense i guess.

Not really, if TVL is broken to two seasons as well. Unless suddenly AMC got S3 greenlighted with 15-16 episodes per season, which I doubt very much. They can go with 7 - 8 episodes for two seasons, like IWTV era, or call them both as one season, but still released as two parts ala Better Call Saul S6A and 6B (total 13 ep). Anyway, I can't see TVL will be done as only one season if it'll only have 7 or 8 episodes. Not when they have to tackle the OG TVL plots, ongoing Louis with/without Armand-Daniel plot (depends how involved Louis is with Devil's Minion in the past) and segueing to the concert and QotD. So, amount of content wise, you can no longer compare it to the book.

Yes, Louis is "overcorrecting" his narrative from the '70s interview, but in what way, it's still not clear. To make Claudia the hero? to ease his pain? to make Lestat the big bad? Sometimes I think it's one thing, but then Louis did some things that are contradictory to it. I have my main guess ofc, but now I'll just wait for Season 2.

And as I said, Season 1 (IWTV Part I) is not whole; it's not supposed to stand on its own. The lack of "good times" in S1 makes the writing feels kind of lacking, in terms of convincing the audience the relationship between each character. Because that's what good writing should do. So, I don't think we'll have to wait until the TVL era. S2 aka IWTV Part II probably will give us some crumbs (which is possibly why Rolin said we'll still see a lot of Sam). It's similar to when we're reading the second half of IWTV and go "wow, Louis actually has deep feelings for Lestat to the point he's seeing things." The difference is the book deals with how deep the feelings are, while the show may deal with how deep the connection is. Because frankly, so far, it's Sam and Jacob's chemistry that does a heavy-lifting on that part.

(About S3 though, I don't think they'll retell the whole flashback in Lestat's POV, no. But I think they'll still talk about important points in the past. Especially if the interviewer is Daniel again or someone who knows/has heard what Louis has been saying in IWTV era. For me, Lestat knowing what Louis has said about him is very crucial for his character development. So, I assume there must be a way for people or someone outside the Dubai trio to know the content of the interview, no matter if it'll be published or not)

And I don't begrudge actors being vague with the answer because like us, they only know the scripts. They didn't know in detail how the show will tackle certain things in the future. They only know the script says Louis would stay no matter how bad Loustat were with each other and their job is to make it make sense to us despite the script/character being secretive about it. And even if they know, they can't spoil it to us either. (and this is what some of us tend to forget when we're processing actor's answers in interviews)

[apoptoses]

💥 What is one canon thing that you wish you could change?

Oh god this is a hard question because I love these books but I also crave resolution on some stuff.

If I could go back in time, possess the body of Anne and do anything, I would change the Prince Lestat Trilogy and have it focus only on the POV of Lestat, Louis, Armand, Daniel. With some Marius, Pandora, Santino (we'll ignore his ending in B&G okay?), Bianca, and Jesse thrown in. The new side characters could be there, that's fine, whatever, but I want to see these events only through the core characters the books were built on and who have seen major events.

So many words were spilled on the backstory of characters that never came back again, who had little impact on the outcome of the story, and then nothing was said about characters who have been there through it all. I think there were a lot of missed opportunities to tie up loose ends.

And if I really wanted to get radical, I would drop the kidnapping plots and the aliens and focus harder on these vampires adjusting to the modern world and building a community via their relationships to each other and not just shared trauma at Rosh's hands haha I just really miss the gothic tones of the earlier books, you know? The loneliness and the struggle to connect.

But then again. That also means we could lose our happy endings for our favorite ships so maybe just accepting it as it is would be just fine. Thank god for fic, that's all I can say!

[nalyra-dreaming]

"What do you think will happen when IWTV inevitably shifts the narrative and we are finally given a more accurate perspective on the situation? And when Armand's true nature is revealed? Etc"

(Sorry for pulling this part of the ask out, I thank you for the support!)

Well, we already know that parts of The Vampire Lestat will be in s2. Still from Armand's perspective, but the next season won't "just" be the rest of IWTV. We know they filmed with Luke as well, so that means we will get past Devil's Minion. We know they filmed with Joseph, so we will also get Nicolas. For Armand to remember Nicolas in s2... that carries meaning as well.

These things alone open up a lot of possible parallels. Falls, towers, dungeons. Torture. Since we know they love the parallels...

I think when the shift will come it will bring another fissure in people's perception. The show obviously puts some of the weight of what happened onto Armand's shoulders, a move that might indicate a more... rigid division of the main couples than they may be in book canon.

I have talked about it, but while I do not think that the show will shy away from the messiness of it all, it probably won't go down the poly route. And the recent promotion seems to underline that, we'll see.

As per the more "accurate"... while Anne later stated that Lestat's version was the truth I feel like the show will stay more with Memory is a Monster. It won't do them good to keep ambiguity so, that said, they will resolve it in a certain way, but they have already stated that Louis will never not be a believable victim. The question is just.... to whom. And as more and more interviews emerge, and more and more statements, that... will likely be Armand. Who probably tried to help, in his own, inimitable way.

Obviously not everyone will like that, and I have spoken about this in my rant, but I do expect some to leave the fandom, rather disappointedly (and loudly), after season 2. Eventually.

This... won't be happy Loumand season. Neither the posters, nor the elevator posters, nor the teasers, nor the press, nor the panels, nor the bts pix, nor the casting calls, nor the things we know already about s2 indicate that.

I have said it before, Loumand is totally valid. Go and ship. But while it starts in s2... in s2 it will end in disaster. And then, numbness, and pain. And tinkering.

If the last 18 months have been any indication, this will be a messy breakup, fandom-wise.

But you know the thing about breakups - afterwards you can move on.

And then, after that, we will get Lestat's POV - and his story.

Interesting times ahead^^

[nalyra-dreaming]

Hi darling .

There's something I'm confused about Louis asking Daniel I don't remember any of this .

Is it related to Claudia's diaries in Paris & Europe ? Do you think it's something Louis didn't know about Claudia or possibly Armand ? Or is he talking about himself not remembering something about himself?

Because the only thing Daniel can know better than Louis is from the diaries & Louis seems to have not read those Paris diaries bc he seems surprised by it , maybe he could only read some of them . If Armand is trying to protect Louis would he give these diaries out to Daniel or would he just let Louis finally have some truth even when he knows it will hurt him ?

Hey dear!

I... don't think we can tell yet.

There is canon things that he might not remember, for fallacy of memory, maybe. There might be pages of diaries (or whole diaries) that he has not read (which would be in line with Merrick). There could be the "veil" that drops away canonically at some point (indicating Armand's spell).

I mean, it should be rather clear by now, that the cut out pages seem to be the ones removed by someone else than the torn out pages. And these pages have to be somewhere, right? (Or should be.)

And it is canon (book canon) that Armand influences Louis several times, and given the posters and the teasers I have no reason to believe they will change that.

So what exactly that comment pertains to... I am not sure. It could be anything. I mean, Louis already knows that things do not add up - that is why he invited Daniel (to a part, at least).

But what exactly it is in that scene... we will have to wait and see.

And as per Armand giving out the diaries to Daniel - I think a lot of season 2 will be breaking the truth out (of Armand). We saw how he could be "annoyed" out of his subterfuge in season 1... Daniel will now proceed to get under his skin. And "trigger" him, for lack of a better word. (And, I mean, Daniel is uniquely equipped to do that!)

As they said, Dubai will be a three-person-play this season, and the dynamic will be Armand/Louis vs Daniel at first... and then, as Jacob has hinted iirc Louis will find an ally in Daniel, and then it will be Louis/Daniel vs Armand.

And I think Armand will then (eventually) give his POV of it all, and maybe bring out the cut out pages et cetera, when it is clear that he has them.

We'll see.

It's going to be a hell of a ride :))

[nalyra-dreaming]

Hello there dear . I hope you are taking a rest after your amazing updates 😘 I got a question that has been bugging me a lot ever since we got Lestat's & Armand's TVL possibility on the show . Sorry if you have already answered this if you did just link it to me thank you ❤️

My question main is : Why is Armand giving information about his & Lestat's past ? Is S2 also Lestat's & Armand's tale ? Is Armand trying to make Lestat look worse for Louis & Daniel ? Because Armand's narration of Lestat can't be all bad we will get to know Lestat's resilience & hotness more than Louis's pov & I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing if Armand says it .

Hey!!

Ha, who needs sleep when we got "them" :)))

Armand... is now in the lead in Dubai, right? I mean, that is pretty clear from all the teasers we got, he has taken off the demure "Rashid mask" and is himself again, and he is a coven master.

I said it before, I think Armand tried to help Louis - in his very own way, and by using his own judgement, which does not always align with the morals or judgements of others.

He... "protects Louis from himself". I think that is key, and Jacob saying that Louis is trying to regain his memories through the interview fits very well there.

Now, with that in mind...

Yes, I do believe Armand's POV on his and Lestat's ... "origins" will be part of season 2. Because those are very important for him and Louis! Because Armand initially wanted Louis because he was Lestat's.

Armand had "imprinted" on Lestat when he met him. He tried to "get" Lestat by force (which backfired), and that shapes their relationship.

Armand does think Lestat is the hottest shit out there, to put it simply, and a bit flippantly^^. He also carries quite the grudge, for reasons we will still get to see. WILL actually get to see in season 2 (unbelievable, I am so giddy!!)

For me it makes perfect sense that Armand would narrate Lestat as "beautiful, arrogant, strong, violent, resilient". Theirs is a difficult past. And in turn it makes perfect sense to me that Armand would use that personal view when altering/tinkering with Louis' memories.

I don't think the narration of Lestat will be "all bad" as you put it. But it won't be all that favorable at certain points either.

That is why @virginiaisforvampires and I (and others, likely) have theorized that the well-put Lestat at the trial is version one of said trial. And that the truth was likely a bit different still.

Now... Daniel is there to pull the truth out.

He will be the reason why Armand starts to offer insights at all, imho, because Daniel is in the unique position to have leverage. Even if he does not know it (yet).

Daniel has already started to challenge the narrative, and that will continue now, in parallel to his own memories resurfacing - and providing not always so convenient and comfortable insights, I bet.

There is a LOT of history between these four!

Daniel himself is tied to Lestat's story, too, though I am not sure if they will address that (already) in the show. We'll see.

But yes, Lestat and Armand will very much shape season 2. Of that I'm 100% certain.

[nalyra-dreaming]

Do you still see lestat on the show as being as emotionally distant as in the books? In the books it’s so drastic and obvious he’s purposely putting up an act of indifference, a coldness, withdrawing affection from Louis if Louis sometimes acknowledges it, right? But in the show he doesn’t hide his light as much so to speak, especially in episode 2 and when he tells Louis much he cherishes him for being himself no matter how challenging. He’s so much more transparent about wanting Louis to return his love. And as for the secret keeping, yes he keeps the Paris coven, Marius, and TTMBK a secret but mysteriously so much is implied by Louis knowing a little about Nicky, it suggests some intimacy about what he was able to share.

How do you think the show might show a difference in lestat when he’s able to have more closeness with Louis?

Okay, so - I do not actually see Lestat as emotionally distant in the books. He's been hurt, abused. He's... dealing. He's also protecting himself and his wounded heart. (I'm thinking of Antoine's report here, for example.) If you refer to IWTV, I mean then it is clear, right, how did Jacob put it? (yes, even in the show:) "it’s clear that Louis is somebody hugely angry with a man he loved deeply and now presents them as a monster…"

If you refer to TtotBT then I have to argue that there is a LOT more going on there, than just "withdrawing". If you mean this in relation to his fear for his light to hurt the ones he loves again, then that... while it certainly has repercussions I don't think that really(*) outlasts the reunion in TVL.

(*) Obviously a lot happens after that reunion, and that in turn has repercussions. But these repercussions, and even the phases where Lestat withdraws later on are not based in him shielding his light from Louis, imho.

As per the show:

Jacob called it "Lestat having more pathos" and I think that fits very well. Lestat has been alone longer. He has been back to Paris at least twice (and we will yet see what happened in-between?! It could very well be for example that he and Armand engaged in a proper relationship too for a while, but that just as a thought). And this pathos, this need permeates every interaction, he focuses it on Louis (which leads to good and to bad repercussions!) and Louis cannot hide it in this second interview. (The contrast to the first interview that we only hear parts of is very stark in this respect, imho. Like Louis definitely sounds harsh there.)

We only see Lestat through Louis right now. There is no way to judge how Lestat's views all that's been told (or even a more neutral view through Daniel might be).

There is no way to tell how much of his "light" Lestat let shine through either - there is no way to tell how much he hinted at, or how much Louis surmised. I don't think Louis missed half the clues he was supposed to, because he tells Claudia very early on that Lestat has secrets. So there is awareness of that fact at the very least. And he knows Paris is a red flag, too. Louis knows that vampires can be raped into vampirism.

Right now, with what already has been hinted at wrt certain manipulations, there is no way to judge Louis' and Lestat's life together outside the most basic facts. How much "light" Lestat might have let Louis see in the beginning at least. Given how deeply Louis fell? I would argue he didn't hold back much.

And with regards to the closeness...

We will get other POVs. Armand's and Louis' in s2, with a bit of Daniel's, I bet. Lestat's in s3 and then we'll see what other POVs might pop up. But the experience of what happens is always in the eyes of the beholder, that won't change.

I believe it will be very intense when we will get to see Louis and Lestat in a more neutral POV (i.e. in Dubai). The Lestat in the books is usually overcome by Louis, sometimes so much he cannot express (t)his love, but he always draws near, touches, pulls him in, kisses. Needs, fatally. What did Sam say? "He cannot take his hands off Louis." :)

Since the show elevated the supposed subtext there is no need to pull back on touches, or kisses, or generally physical closeness. Of course it will depend on the adventures the show will choose to depict what their relationship status will be, but I don't see him hiding anything from Louis as soon as the truth is out (once more^^).

I bet Lestat will go full in :)

PS: If I misinterpreted or if you want to talk about details in the books re emotional distance, please hmu again. I'll happily explain my view^^

[nalyra-dreaming]

hey! as it looks like we're getting glimpses of (seemingly) human Lestat in s2, I guess we'll be seeing him through Armand's POV? Do you think this means the Les Innocents plot happened differently here, or just that Armand encountered Lestat at some point while he was still running his cult?

Hey!

Spoilers ahead ;)

Yessss, I‘m pretty sure we’ll get Armand’s POV of seeing human Lestat prior turning and the (basic) destruction of the coven after turning in a… probably a slightly toned down version of Armand’s fascination with Lestat. 😅

I mean… Lestat will show up in Paris and Daniel in modern Dubai will ask questions. And those will be answered, though likely not as thoroughly as in season 3 …

The Les Innocents plot has to run a bit differently because Les Innocents was already closed down and the bones relocated (1786) by the time Lestat is turned in the show (1795?)… however, the recent picture of Armand would fit with the tower meeting after Lestat destroyed the coven (more or less)… :)

And yes, it seems Armand encountered him while still running the cult, if the leaked pic is anything to go by:

The outfit and makeup indicate human Lestat here, and that fits with the bts announcement posters we saw:

Now, as said, Lestat is older when turned, and he seems to have kept the wolfkiller coat afterwards (so either Magnus kept it for him after the assault or Armand collected it afterward but my bet is on Magnus there).

The fact that Armand calls Lestat co-founder means that certain events stayed, and the fact that the portrait is still on the wall when Louis and Claudia come by… means the obsession stayed, too. 😈

My theory is that Armand maybe saw Lestat while still mortal with the red coat… imprinted and kept tabs on him, taking vague comfort from watching him. And he likely watched Magnus hunting Lestat and didn’t interfere because Magnus was very strong and under this weird protection/status by Rhoshamandes (it would be interesting if they drop his and Benedict‘s name at some point, though they likely will keep that for later seasons). And then afterwards… the story unfolds close‘ish to what we know.

What do you think? ;)

[nalyra-dreaming]

The tower scene being rumoured to be being film soon 👀👀👀

I’ve seen some people really excited to see lestat get a sort of comeuppance when armand does what he does to him which I do understand since it’s so vital to lestat’s progression but I don’t necessarily see it anymore ‘funny’ than his murder scene for example, it’s a really traumatic moment.

Narratively it’s a bit of karma for lestat but admand isn’t meant to be justified, yeah? Admand is in pain buts it’s irrational pain, no more justified than the scenario of lestat dropping Louis from the sky because lestat was in emotional distress, it’s an evil thing to do. And I don’t see them changing if so armand hurts lestat to get venagnce for Louis’ sake(which I have seen a couple people suggesting), that’s just over-riding Armand’s personal motivations and relationship with lestat entirely, if it had anything to do with Louis it was because he wanted lestat out the picture for a while like he wanted Claudia out the picture permanently so he could have Louis’ focus, right?

I suppose it depends what POV we get for the tower scene, and if it would be revisited in season 3, but how do you want the lestat-armand tower scene to be handled?

Yesss!!!

And while I cannot wait to see it either I do agree that it... is not meant to be "funny" or as revenge for Louis at all. Armand couldn't care less about that, tbh.

The thing with Armand and Louis and Lestat then is, that... it is about Lestat. Lestat who rejected Armand, Lestat who destroyed Armand's life/coven then, Lestat who came to Armand but not for Armand... Lestat who then told Armand about Louis and what Louis means to Lestat. Lestat, who made Armand interested in Louis.

Armand drops Lestat there (at least in the books), because he is hurting (still). And he wants Lestat to hurt, too. (Which is why so many have pointed out that the scene in episode 5 is so eerily close to what Armand does to Lestat...) Armand could kill Lestat there, easily, but he doesn't.

The thing with the "Lestat eating the humble pie" is... that it is actually after.

It's when Lestat has time to reflect, and heal, and go to earth. When he is alone, abandoned and thinks both Louis and Claudia dead (that is vastly different to the state he is in after NOLA because then he is panicking and wants to get to Paris as soon as possible in order to reach them and get Armand's blood). After is when he has time to change.

And so... while I get why some people are rubbing their hands in glee for the scene... I think they might end up being disappointed. Because it is not about that. It's not about revenge, or the famous humble pie.

I mean, I am not sure how they'll spin it. I have theorized that it might be Louis who will throw Lestat off the tower this time... or tell us he did at least. (That depends heavily how they'll spin the theater imho.)

We'll see. I would prefer it if it was Armand, because Armand's and Lestat's relationship is such an important one for the Chronicles as well, and for season 3. And it could be made so beautifully into some kind of echo for / to Daniel.

But.... whatever they'll do - I bet it will be at the end of another episode 5. 😈

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Re: the prev anon, I predict in s2 we'll get an ep from Armand's POV (just like Claudia had an ep in s1) where he goes into his history, the theatre, meeting Lestat etc. But after that he'll interject throughout the interview. He witnessed a lot of these events after all, Daniel will definitely want his account. I do think he may try to lie about some things though - not for his own sake really, but to protect Louis from whatever he's repressing.

That might very well be.

I do think any statements will be met with greater skepticism though, and that it will be hard ti upjold some of those lies.

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Evening :) It's so random from a non book reader reading about ppl excited to see how sexy Louis will look with Assad/Armand. I'll be crying my Loustat tears lol. I'll miss them so much and can't imagine seeing Louis loving someone else. It must be hard from a writers pov knowing that there'll be non book readers/huge Loustat fans who you have to keep going and not lose interest with getting no Loustat in love tidbits 😔

Also I hope we do get more seasons where we'll see hopefully cute Loustat moments 😔

Hey! Just wait till we get to Lestat and Armand?! 😈😅

Vampires, especially these vampires love each other… the relationships are difficult, and ever-shifting and fraught with history, but despite everything… they love each other a lot.

While I get that you miss Loustat - do try to enjoy it all… the Vampire Chronicles are a wild ride, and I promise you will enjoy it all a lot more when you don’t get too hung up about (shifting) pairings… 😬😅

I‘m pretty sure that we will get Loustat moments this season. As per cute… maybe at the end^^.

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Hey, I really enjoy your blog 😊

Do you think we'll get Lestat and Armand backstory in season 2 already? That little teaser about Lestat's father and Sam's stuntman make it seem like there'll be plot lines that aren't related to Louis and shooting in Prague makes me think they might go back further in time than 1945.

Thank you!!! Glad you like! 💕

Well... I mean... we are still in season 2 of IWTV. We know we will get Lestat's POV season 3 (forward). (I have been thinking about this, too)

If we get "more" of Lestat in season 3, then it can only be some backstory that Armand knows, or that Louis hasn't told - or some part of the rockstar career.

The latter has been at least hinted at imho with the "mediocre star" comment (which I would just find soooooo fitting for Armand to use as an insult re Lestat^^), and of course Lestat had to record the other version of "Come to me" at some point. (I know there are theories he did that after he and Louis reunited, but I personally think that that wound may have been too raw still, and that the song we heard was likely used to lure Louis back during the rockstar era. But that's just my head canon^^).

Now, Armand knows a few things about Lestat. Depending on how they spin it he could be telling a few things... he knows of Gabrielle, and Nicolas. (For all we know he could have Nicki's hands still in a drawer *coughs*). He has drunk from Lestat, and was able to read his mind. He knows things. Theoretically he could talk about some things. He'll also likely talk about a few things Louis does not know about. And I do think that Louis probably does not know everything yet.

So yeah, they might go back further. But whether that is the truth then... *laughs* (But it will definitely be very interesting to watch either way.)

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(I didn't read the books, so maybe I'm completely wrong on this) People keep saying "wait till Lestat has a chance to present his version of events", and I'm wondering, wouldn't it be too much for S3? I mean, we have his origins story in Auvergne, plus Paris, plus whatever he was doing before crossing the ocean, and fans want him to also cover the NOLA part from his pov. I don't understand how the writers can squeeze all of this into one season, even if they add a lot more episodes (which probably won't happen, it would cost too much). And if they postpone his coverage of NOLA part, I'm 100% sure that fans won't be interested anymore, they would want the story to move forward. Now I'm not even sure if I want to see him tell his side of the story... It was confirmed that a lot of stuff we've already seen would be revisited in S2, does it mean that we're gonna see the same events three times? Overall I'm just very confused :(

Hey nonny!

I'm not sure we'll get any retelling of the events (even in season 2) tbh. I think (I've said it before) we'll get the backstory enough to tie in with what Armand might tell us in season 2, and then probably prepare the way for QotD later. But in regards to the events in IWTV ... I don't think there'll be much retelling.

Lestat in the books doesn't either. He says Louis lied, and that we should read between the lines... I'm not sure how season 2 will be spun, but I doubt that we'll go "back" by season 3.

If they want to segue properly into the Prince Lestat arc later then his upbringing in Auvergene has to be touched on. If they want to do QotD then that has to be... prepared. Marius has to be introduced, Gabrielle. More of Armand's ties to Lestat (something they might hint at in season 2).

I think we are much closer to the books than it may seem. They've spun a web of confusion, with the reset of the setting, and Dubai, and the aged-up Daniel. But a lot of things may still unfold as known.

And even IF things from season 1 get revisited (and that is in season 2 a lot more likely than season 3 imho, since season 1 & 2 were supposed to be one season once upon a time)... I don't think they'll change that much. (I think... the fall might be revisited, because that is something that was very poignant, and very wrong in this setting. But I might be totally wrong about that *laughs*)

Not sure if I could help with the confusion? :))) Just... I don't think we'll get the same story three times. I really don't think that. There's sooooo much stuff to show^^.