#wwdits s4 leak

[zer0-02]

i will never recover from this

[seraph5]

*mentions of wwdits unverified S4 leaks ahead*

I wrote an outline for a fic about how I think season 4 will end. Pls enjoy:

The whole fic is Guillermo agonizing over the new woman in Nandor's life and trying to accept her and trying to accept that they're going to be together. Then they announce that they are going to get married and Guillermo decides that he doesn't want to be a vampire/stay at the house anymore. But when he goes to tell Nandor, Nandor is like I'm so happy and I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you and therefore as a thank you on the night I'm going to get married I'll turn you into a vampire because afterwards I'll have my lovely wife to do all these things for me.

Guillermo says thank you and bites his tongue and tries to be happy about it finally happening. When he looks at himself in the mirror he tries to see himself the way he saw himself when he started but being a vampire is not at all what he thought. On the night of the wedding he gets Nandor ready feeling sick to his stomach, trying to convince himself that it's just nerves. He opens his mouth to say something to Nandor and then his bride to be sweeps in. And he sees them together and in an instant knows how his eternity will play out. Nandor will get married. He and his wife will live with Nadja and Laszlo and they will all be deliriously happy with each other and he and Collin Robinson will stand on the outside looking in. Except what will nourish Collin will empty Guillermo till there is nothing left of him.

Nandor leans in to bite him and Guillermo feels like he's going to be sick with the desperate desire to have Nandor claim him in the way he's been dreaming of long before he even loved him.

Almost reactively Guillermo shouts no, shoves Nandor away and storms out. Nandor is like "Guillermo!?" In his standard winey voice and follows after him leaving his bride to be "where are you going? Guillermo!!" And Guillermo is storming out of the house and Nandor shouts from the top step this time he more serious tone "Guillermo! Where are you going? The wedding is about to start" "I can't do it! I can't have you turn me and then go to your wedding and spend an eternal life with all of you -"

"Why?"

"BECAUSE I LOVE YOU" Guillermo snarls angry heartbroken tears breaking free

"Well that is not new many familiars have loved-" Nandor begins but Guillermo cuts him off taking one step back toward him.

"I-am-in-love…with you" Guillermo says slowly and deliberately delivering every word like his wishes it was a punch "though GOD" Nandor hisses in discomfort "knows why. You're so selfish and arrogant and don't care about me at all"

"That's not true" Nandor's voice hangs onto his pouty affect and Guillermo grimaces before turning away.

"I can't believe I wasted 13 years of my life on you"

"Your mini Fridge-"

"Keep it!" Guillermo is already down the street.

***

Anyway there's my best guess about the end of season XD I won't be writing the thing I'm still writing the star trek fic I foolishly teased.

[anxietycheesecake]

I know it's weird coming from the CEO of Freddie doesn't eat ass, but given recent events, I hope Freddie is the most boring guy in the world and Guillermo explicitly states they have the best intimate life ever. You don't need to give my girlboss all of the gay rights but you can definitely give him some.

[vixenicks]

mentally preparing for the ungodly amount of nandermo edits set to dove cameron’s boyfriend after freddie’s introduced

[lord-of-the-ducks]

Ok, if you haven’t seen the new trailer for episode 3, go watch that. It’s on YouTube on the FX channel, and it’s only about 30 seconds.

Spoilers ahead:

So, Nandor says that he wants the Djinn to give him the world’s biggest penis to improve his relationship with his fiancée, and I think that’s REALLY telling.

It’s already obvious that Nandor is trying to find the perfect bride who will make all of his problems go away. I’ve seen a bunch of people point out that he basically wants his partner to have literally no flaws, and that Marwa isn’t necessarily his true love, she’s just the last one standing. If she really was his true love, he probably wouldn’t be interrupting her and asking the Djinn to change her appearance.

But I think Nandor’s perfectionism is going to go beyond micromanaging Marwa, and he’s going to start holding himself to impossible standards. Because if his relationship with Marwa isn’t working (which it probably won’t), he’s probably going to start blaming himself. It’s going to start out harmless, with silly stuff like “maybe my dick isn’t big enough”, and the Djinn is an easy solution to that, but I can see this going in a very dangerous direction very fast and I’m legitimately worried for Nandor. You could make the argument that Nandor was specifically insecure about his penis after the events in s3e9 when the other vampires were calling it average, and I can only imagine what other insecurities he’s going to blame for his failing relationship.

Anyway, I’m contractually obligated to put a Nandermo spin on this by pointing out that Guillermo was by Nandor’s side even at his worst, and he went out of his way to defend Nandor’s dick in that same episode where everyone was calling it disappointing

[incorrectquoteswwdits]

Guillermo: I’m kind of crushing on someone, but I’m worried about telling you who it is, because you’re not going to like it

Nandor: Just rip the bandage off.

Guillermo: It’s Freddie.

Nandor: Put the bandage back on.

[toadminako]

I watched the leaked WWDITS S4 episodes 9 and 10 and I’m now going to word-vomit out my thoughts, but I’ll do it under the cut ‘cause I got manners. DO NOT PROCEED IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED

Well… That was a bummer.

OK, let’s list the things I did like about the final 2 episodes first:

Al Roberts is a sweetheart as Freddie and gets to do some very funny comedy with what happens in the back half of episode 9.

We get lots more Guide and Nadja (Guidja?) scenes. They’re so delightful together, I love Kristen Schaal and we get to see Nadja being a messy bitch a falling all over the place again.

Laszlo’s empty-nest desperation at child-Colin growing up is funny, sweet, sad and well-acted. Matt Berry really getting to show his acting chops again for this finale.

But here’s the thing…

I get that, narrative-wise, Nandor would have to do something terrible to drive Guillermo away properly; they set that up immediately in episode one that Guillermo was already set to leave and was just holding on to help with the wedding and raising Colin. But the awful thing that Nandor does is just… Too awful, in my opinion?

It’s a thoughtless thing to do to Guillermo, yes (and thoughtless in a way that seems more in-character for season 1-2 Nandor, not season 4 Nandor) but it’s a HORRIBLE thing to do to Marwa, like it has genuinely upset me. She had her personality slowly chipped away at, only to finally be subsumed into a different person entirely. An almost textbook example of “death of personality”.

I get that she was always going to be a side-character and more an accessory to Nandor’s arc this season, but we saw little glimpses of her finding things she loved for herself (watching Mamma Mia with the girls) and little glimmers of her fighting back against Nandor (locking him out of the man-cave) and now she doesn’t even get the chance to escape and live her own life? What the FUCK man?

Yes I know the cast are all goofy serial killers, but what happens to Marwa – being Djinned out of existence after we’ve got to know her, even if only a little bit – just leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. I hope this plot thread returns in some way and we get to see the real Marwa come back in some form.

I just wanted some kind of actualisation for Nandor, some recognition of what he actually wants and what he actually needs to change about himself. I’m not saying I wanted a Nandermo kiss, but I at least wanted Nandor to have a genuine moment of realisation. Not even realising what he feels for Guillermo is love necessarily, but at least realising that he values Guillermo as more than just a familiar-friend-bodyguard-best-man. He makes some very stupid attempts at making amends at the end of ep 9, but by ep 10 he’s just regressed to being an aloof asshole which is what finally drives Guillermo away. If they were going to follow through on his character development in season 3 and 4, he should at least have offered to make Guillermo a vampire, or held out some other genuine olive branch to him (like he tried to do at the end of S3).

They really appeared to be setting up an “Oh” moment for Nandor (how much sweeter they are together for much of the season, the dick wish, Marwa-as-Nandor kissing Guillermo), then just totally dropped the ball and made Nandor do something that seems uncharacteristically selfish, even for him.

And I GET it, we need the impetus for Guillermo to leave and find someone else to make him a vampire. And I DO like that they’re finally acknowledging that Guillermo knows plenty of vampires willing to turn him. And I LOVE that we’re probably going to be seeing more of Derek in the future but…

Yeah. I’m disappointed.

“Guillermo might finally be turned” is a great cliffhanger, but honestly? After how they totally wasted the “Guillermo and Nadja go to London” cliffhanger in season 3, I’m not sure I trust them fully to follow through on it.

TLDR: I am dissatisfied by this finale, and depressed by that.  

[nadjasnandor]

freddie not showing up until the penultimate episode 🤝 marwa only having a few seconds long scenes every two episodes

[vampmarie]

something I've noticed from the club promo is when nandor said he wants his intercourse partner to do "light housekeeping".....YOU KNOW WHO ELSE DOES HOUSEKEEPING??? This just makes the theory that nandor wants his partner to be more like guillermo far more believable

[phos-no-longer-human]

I don't even know Russian but yeah

[eternalwyrm]

so uh… is the house gonna…. just fuckin uh. explode??? blow up??? at some point???

[anxietycheesecake]

SEASON 4 SPOILERS

(Redacted)'s episode keeps getting more and more surreal...

[cookinguptales]

ive been feeling a bit disenchanted with season 4. maybe its cause im dreading the finale based on the vague spoilers i saw, or the treatment of marwa or how the "the gang is separated unexpectedly" twist of s3 was totaly glossed over... i dunno. how are you feeling about it?

No specific spoilers here for 4.09 and 4.10, but just in case people want to avoid even my vague feelings and criticisms, I'm putting my answer behind a cut. Plus, as always, this did get long.

Honestly, I'm feeling a bit disenchanted, too. I'll write some meta about my exact reasoning after the episode airs tonight (and even more after the finale airs), but I just... Now that I know how the rest of the season is going to go, it kind of puts a lot of things I've been putting up with for the rest of the season into sharp relief. I thought certain storylines were going somewhere so I put up with the way they were being written, but now that I know they're not going anywhere with them, I've had to come to terms with the fact that what I thought was maybe hints was actually just lazy writing. That's kind of where I've been at the past couple days. Looking at the lil bits we've been picking through on fandom and realizing that they never really intended to flesh out any of those things or take them in any interesting directions.

I also agree thoroughly with Marwa. It's one of the things that's been a growing concern of mine throughout the season, and now that we have spoilers... idk, again, I'll talk about this a lot more thoroughly tonight? But I hate this storyline now. I also hate what I'm now seeing as an overdependence on hypnosis and Djinn-facilitated personality transplants, too. Like... I can recognize now that it's a season-long issue. Like damn, stop using this to dig yourself out of plot holes. It's lazy writing and the implications get creepy very quickly. I thought they were doing these things on purpose to criticize it later but maybe?? they're not??

I'd say the big two disappointments for me are Marwa and Guillermo... I won't get into details with Marwa, but Guillermo... yeah. I've been saying it since literally the premiere aired, but the whole one-year gap was a killer. I hate that we just don't hear from any of them for a year when they are doing important things. We miss all of Laszlo's bumbling through the beginnings of parenthood. We miss Nandor's journeys, for the most part. We miss Nadja's growing disenchantment with the council. And Guillermo, Guillermo gets the worst of it. He has the most change and the least of it is shown onscreen.

And I kept hoping they'd go back to it. They'd go back to what he must have been feeling and the decisions he must have made. That they'd explain why his focuses and motivations seem different. Why he's stopped being a weird little busybody who's a lil freak about the others' personal lives. Like... I cannot get over his behavior at the wedding. I keep trying to find a way to make it make sense! I don't care if he was no longer in love with Nandor or not! It didn't make sense for the nosiest, most interfering character in the entire cast to be the only one not to object! Mr. We All Need To Grieve Colin Robinson? Mr. I'm Going to Manipulate Everyone? Mr. Gail?

But as far as I can tell, they're really never going to meaningfully engage with any of that. And no, just saying that he got a boyfriend is not enough for me. You don't get a total personality transplant when you start dating someone! If you want me to buy that all these changes happened, you have to show me how they did! I feel so... idk, cheated with Guillermo. And when I'm feeling uncharitable, it makes me feel like they've adapted his personality to be whatever it needs to be to forward the plot elements they decided on. That's just... it's not good writing, and that is not a criticism I am accustomed to making with this show.

I have thoughts about Nandor, too, but it's a lot harder to talk about those without delving into spoilers... But I do think that in some ways his character has regressed as well. I think some of it might be purposeful...? Like a one step forward, two steps back situation? But I'll reserve my judgment on that one a little more until I've actually seen the episode.

It's odd, because I feel like Guillermo and Nandor have actually had some really nice moments in s4... when we're not focusing on the (imo) truly disastrous storylines that are their romances. It's like all preexisting characterization just flies out the window sometimes and that's so frustrating.

As for 4.09 in particular, too... I'm not going to say any spoilers, but it is bewildering to me to see my sense of humor diverge so wildly from a show that's always made me laugh more than any other, especially because the writers of the episode wrote two of the best episodes of the entire series. I haven't seen the episode yet, so maybe it will be way less bad than I'm expecting! I'm holding onto that hope. But I cannot see how they could make the spoilers I know funny and not just. Very upsetting to me, actually. There's a sort of cruelty there that WWDITS has never quite hit in the past, for all that it tortures its characters, and it goes into some tropes that I just find overtly creepy, honestly. I do not think I'm going to enjoy watching this episode at all, which is a feeling I have never experienced from WWDITS before.

As for the cliffhanger in 4.10... I have to say I find it unconvincing. I just don't believe it'll have lasting implications, and moreover, after seeing the way they casually disregarded the emotional arcs they set up in the s3 finale, I no longer feel like we have any guarantee that the events of 4.09 and 4.10 will ever be dealt with in s5, either. I'll talk about this in more detail after it happens, obviously, but like. It does feel like they're going WOW, ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THIS? and I'm just sitting here like. no... you're obviously not... So it doesn't feel all that cliffhanger-y, tbh.

It's odd, because the one aspect of this season I was most convinced I would hate (Baby Colin) has been the one thing that I've felt genuinely touched by. I feel like this show has been at its best when it's used Baby Colin to delve into ideas of family and fatherhood and belonging, and it frustrates me a little that the back half of the season put that on the back burner for pretty extended periods only to return to it in the finale. The pacing is off.

I think in general the back end of the season has been... weird. 4.08 notwithstanding, because I think it's kinda it's own thing... I know we've gone around and around and around with episode order and such but I really do feel like some of these late-stage episodes smack of rewrites. I keep thinking about the fact that the Djinn wasn't supposed to be in this many episodes and I really have to wonder how that affected the Marwa and Freddie storylines, which I feel are by far the weakest part of the season.

Like damn, I thought they were gonna fuck me up because of the implications for my OTP, but I can write my way out of 4.10 fairly easily, if we're just talking OTP. I never thought that these storylines were gonna make me lose faith in the writing team. I feel a little adrift, if I'm being honest with you.

I felt myself just instantly shift into fix-it fic mode as soon as I learned about the events of 4.09 and just. It's never where I wanted to be with this show. I've been a diehard WWDITS fan since the movie first came out and it's always been a franchise where I've respected the writing above all else. Not every episode of WWDITS and Wellington Paranormal is an absolute banger, but I've enjoyed all of them and loved most of them. Nothing has made me laugh like WWDITS and I've come to be truly invested in the characters. So to see things to go so spectacularly sideways so quickly has me like... ah...

I'm readjusting, I think. idk. I've been thinking a lot. I've been talking to my cat a lot. lmao. I still have some hopes for certain elements of the last two episodes and I did really, really enjoy certain parts of season 4. It just... didn't ever end up being as cohesive as I'd hoped, nor did it have the same loyalty to characterization that I was expecting. (And it really, really did not seem to have any respect for most of its new characters.) It's frustrating to have bad so thoroughly mixed in with the good and to have to puzzle out which things don't work for you and which things do. It'd be easier if I just hated all of it! But I really didn't.

Either way, anon, you're definitely gonna see a LOT of words from me over the next two weeks. I have a lot of things to talk about and a lot of feelings to express and honestly, I'm really hoping I end up having meta to write about things I like, too. But who knows? I guess we'll see.

[thebentleyao3]

what if in s4 of wwdits freddie turns out to be extremely dull. like guillermo is very obviously not that interested in him because all of their conversations are very very dry. in the episode where freddie meets guillermos family theyre all very kind to him the whole time but we can very obviously tell that hes just such a dull conversationalist that hes making everyone uncomfortable. nadja and laszlo try desperately to get along with him in the hopes that hell give them private info about him and guillermo's relationship. inexplicably, nandor really likes him. hes the ONLY ONE WHO DOES. even baby colin robinson (who im assuming ages faster?) tries draining him. he fails miserably and freddie ends up draining HIM. we find out freddie's been an energy vampire all along. guillermo confronts him about this, telling himself hes GOT to dump him now. freddie tells guillermo he was actually planning to turn HIM into an energy vampire (how he does this i do not know but lets say it's possible) because hes in love with him. guillermo gets the ick and dumps him

bonus points if he end up having to see him regularly because freddie is somehow connected to the vampiric counsel. he becomes something like a much more boring version of gregor

[lord-of-the-ducks]

Ok, it’s entirely possible that this account is fan made and not a part of the weird PR Colin Robinson YouTube-verse, but it looks like Nandor might have made an account and started commenting on Colin’s videos

It could totally be fake, I actually found this two days ago but I thought that it was just a fan joining in on this elaborate roleplay and didn’t think it was worth mentioning, but now that we have Nandor actually participating in a video, it seems more likely

[junkratsadstuck]

took a shot at translating the wwdits 409 and 410 leaks with the help of google translate's transcribe function. links under the cut if anybody wants them.

Content warnings for all the usual wwdits stuff plus alcohol abuse in these (mostly in 409, but mentioned in 410 as well)

Please be considerate of others and don't spoil for people who don't want to hear about the leaks! If you need to scream about the episodes somewhere, feel free to DM me.

Both 409 and 410 can be watched at the KEROBTV link, but the page defaults to play episode 410. Scroll down to the video player. On the upper left of the video player, there are three boxes with drop down menus. Click the third one that says "Серия 10" to select an episode and change it to "Серия 9" to watch episode 409.